Year End Tax tips 2008 Q&A - Investments
Tax Tips Q&A
Read Kevin McCormally's answers to tax questions submitted by NBR's viewers.
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This feature is intended to provide general information and education and should not be considered as investment or tax advice. Each individual should consult his or her own tax, financial, or investment advisor.
Stocks, Bonds, & Investments
QUESTION: Calculating Tax Due On Inherited Shares
1984 my father left 800 shares of Gallaher group plc,
on 6-4-o7 recived check $72,598.84.That closed account, how much tax should
i pay?
-- James O'Sullivan, Boca Raton, FL
ANSWER:
Sorry, but I don't know. If your father left the shares
to you after his death, then your "tax basis" in the shares was "stepped
up" to the share's value on the date of his death. You need to determine
what that was (a site like Bigcharts http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/historical/
might help) and subtract the basis from the amount your received on the
sale. That's your long term capital gain, taxed at 15%. Sorry I can't
be of more help.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Tax On "Worthless" Bonds
Hi Kevin, thank you and PBS for having this forum. I watch NBR almost every night.
I own $15,000.00 Washington Mutual unsecured notes (bonds).
Since WaMu has filed for bankruptcy, what are my tax responsibilities/deductions
for 2008? They haven't settled yet so will this be on my 2009 taxes (or
the year of the settlement)? Also can I deduct the interest I did not
receive? thanks,
-- Bill, Bonners Ferry, Id
ANSWER:
You have to determine if the bonds became worthless in 2008. If so, then you treat them as though you sold them on December 31 for $0 and show your entire tax basis as a loss on your Schedule D. Your broker should be able to help you determine if the bonds are worthless. If not, there is no tax consequence until you sell them.
Also, there is no deduction for interest not received. If you received the interest you'd have to pay tax on it, so not receiving it gives you the "break" of avoiding tax on the payment.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Dealing With Losses & Reverse Splits
I was watching your report on deductions for a loss
on sold stock. I took a major hit on Arotech (ARTX) when I put 48000 over
4 yrs ago. since then it has plummeted. at one point they performed a
reverse split on the stock which showed a gain of 4000 but how do i show
that it is an actual loss of 44000? I have not sold it yet still hoping
that it rises from the dead. but if I do sell, how do i deduct the loss.
3000 a year for 13 yrs? please help. thanks,
-- John Wood
ANSWER:
First, sorry about your loss. Unfortunately you've got lots of company these days.
First, on the reverse split: Your basis is simply spread over the fewer number of shares. If you owed 100 shares with a basis of $10 shares and a reverse split left you with 10 shares, your basis would be $100 per share.
As for your loss when you sell, you may use it to offset any capital gains (long or short term) and then up to $3,000 may be used to offset any other kind of income, like salary or interest or rental income. If you have no other gains to offset, then you are restricted to deducting $3,000 a year.
Again, sorry....
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Capital Gains Basis
When paying capital gains taxes on mutual fund distributions
does that up the basis?
-- Jose Fernandez, Bowie, MD
ANSWER:
Paying taxes doesn't up your basis....what increases your basis is reinvesting in additional shares. You must pay tax on the distribution whether
you take the distribution in cash or have it automatically reinvested in additional shares. When you have it reinvested, you are buying additional shares and thus increasing your investment -- your tax basis -- in the fund. Failing to keep this in mind causes many mutual fund investors to overpay their tax when they later sell their shares.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Must I Sell A Worthless Stock To Claim Loss?
When the government seizes a company, as it did Washington
Mutual, do you still have to go through the expense of selling the stock
in order to use it as a tax loss this year?
-- Judi, Newton, WI
ANSWER:
It depends on whether the stock is truly worthless. In the year a stock becomes worthless, you can claim a tax loss by treating it as though you sold the stock for $0 on December 31. In that case your entire tax basis becomes your capital loss. The problem with Washington Mutual is that, last time I checked, it was selling for about 3 cents a share on the pink sheets.
One source I trust told me that he believes that if you
can show that it would cost you more in brokerage commissions that you
would receive from the sale of such a depressed stock, then the stock
is worthless and you can claim the loss as noted above. If you can recoup
any of your money, though, you should sell the shares and report the transaction...and
your loss.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Offsetting Short Term Losses with Long Term Gains?
I have long term gains in two stock funds and short term losses in three funds. If I sell all the funds, will the short term losses offset the long term gains?
Station: KCET
Name: Bruce
City & State: Seal Beach, CA
-- Bruce, Seal Beach, CA
ANSWER:
Yes. The way the law works, long-term gains first offset long-term losses....and short-term gains offset short-term losses. If you wind up with net long-term gains and net-short-term losses (or vice versa), then they offset each other dollar for dollar.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Offsetting Short Term Gains With Mutual Fund Losses
Can I offset a short term capital gain realized on a
stock (earlier in the year) by selling units of a mutual fund that are
currently in a loss?
-- Samik, Champaign, IL
ANSWER:
Yes. The way the rules work, long-term gains are first offset against long-term losses and short-term gains against short-term losses. If you wind up with net long-term gains and net short-term losses (or vice versa) one offsets the other dollar for dollar.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Establishing Basis In Mutual Fund
I own in a taxable account a mutual fund that I've had
for 20+ years. The fund company has changed hands numerous times, and
I don't have 20 years of records. How do I set a cost basis if I sell
the fund? Thanks.
-- Steven, Berkeley, CA
ANSWER:
Boy, this is tough. First, ask for the fund's help. It may have some records. Next, fall back on your records. Do you have anything that can establish what you paid for the shares? If you reinvested dividends to buy additional shares over the years, you should have reported those dividends on your tax year for the year you received them. Any chance you have your old returns? If you can establish a pattern, you can make a good faith estimate.
Depending on the amount of money involved, you might want to check into the Basispro service offered by Wolters Kluwer (www.gainskeeper.com ). If you know when you made investments and how much, this service should be able to track the basis including any reinvested dividends. Sorry I can't be of more help.
On the bright side, for investments purchased at 2010,
brokers will be required to keep track of basis for investors.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Mutual Fund Payout Pitfalls
With div. cap. gain re-investment, why not accept the
year end cap. gain distribution re-invested in the lower priced shares?
-- Patrick Bray, Pittsburgh, PA
ANSWER:
Good point. The only problem is you have to pay tax on
the distribution. If you sell before the payout and buy another, similar
fund after its payout, you get that fund for its lower price..and avoid
the tax. The dollar amounts involved help determine if the rigmarole is
worth it.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Zero Capital Gains For Some Tax Brackets???
In discussing taxable capital gains and dividends, you
did not mention that they are tax free from 2008 to 2010 for taxpayers
who are in the two lowest tax brackets; below $65,100 taxable income in
2008. Is this actually the case?
-- Charles M. Bernardo, Asheville, NC
ANSWER:
Yes, it is true. For 2008, 2009 and 2010, taxpayers in the 10% and 15% bracket (up to $32,500 of taxable income on single returns and $65,100 on joint returns) enjoy a 0% rate on their long-term capital gains. If gains push your taxable income above the threshold, excess gains are taxed at 15%. Sorry I didn't have time to get into this break in my series.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Is This Year's Capital Gains Rate Really 0%?
The 2007 IRS Publication 17 states, under "What's New for 2008"(p.2)"The 5% capital gain tax rate is reduced to zero."
Does this mean that one can sell stock in 2008 with no
capital gains tax consequences as long as the resulting taxable income
(including proceeds from the stock sale) falls in the 15% tax bracket
or lower?
-- Peter, Cincinnati, OH
ANSWER:
That's right. For 2008, 2009 and 2010, the tax rate for long-term gains (profits on assets held more than a year before selling) is 0% for taxpayers who are in the 10% and 15% tax brackets. And, if your gains push you into the 25% bracket, only the amount above the 15% cut off would be hit by the regular capital gains rate of.....15%. All this is figured out on a very complicated capital gains worksheet in the instructions.
I recommend tax software and TurboTax is my favorite
(disclosure: Kiplinger provides tax advice for the TurboTax program and
its website).
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Capital Losses On "Worthless" Stock
Another loser. Kevin, what do I do if I had about 100
shares of WAMU? It isn't sold but it is worthless. Can that be reported
as a loss in the normal manner? Thanks.
-- Eugene Murphy, Riverside, CA
ANSWER:
This is a tricky one. When a stock becomes worthless, you report it on your Schedule D as though you sold it for $0.00 on December 31 of the year it became worthless. Thus, you get to claim a capital loss for everything you had invested in the stock...your entire tax basis.
I just checked and WAMU is still trading...on the pink sheets (WAMUQ.PK) for a whopping 3.3 cents a share. Therefore, the IRS would stay it's not worthless and that to claim a loss, you need to sell your shares to recover what pittance you can to reduce that capital loss. A terrific source of mine once told me that if the brokerage commission on the sale would more than offset the proceeds of the sale, he'd simply declare the stock worthless on his tax return. The safest way, however, would be to try to dump the stock.
Good luck....and sorry for your loss.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Defining "Substantially Identical" Funds
Under the IRS definition of a Wash Sale, would a mutual fund based on the S&P 500 index (Vanguard 500 Index Fund) be considered substantially identical to a mutual fund based on the total stock market index (Vanguard Total Stock Index Fund) should I sell the former to establish a loss for tax purposes and buy the latter on the same day to maintain a position in the market?
My wife and I view your program every evening and enjoy
your excellent reporting on the business news of the day.
-- CMF
ANSWER:
There is no official answer to your question. It's pretty certain that trading one S&P 500 fund for another S&P 500 fund would violate the substantially identical rule. However, I've spoken with several tax experts that say trading a S&P 500 for a total market fund would not. It would be difficult to argue that a fund limited to 500 companies is the same as one that includes thousands. I wouldn't worry about the wash sale rule in the case you present.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Avoiding Tax Burden On Mutual Fund Payout
Kevin: I read your comment on avoiding a payout from a mutual fund by buying a similar fund or ETF after the fund makes the distribution.
Are you saying you can avoid the payment by selling the fund that is about to make a high payment before the payout and reinvesting in another similar one that has already made any payout that will be made for that year. Or are you saying trading for a similar fund with a lesser payout will lessen the tax liability?
Signed, Confused
-- Ken Davidson, Loveland, CO
ANSWER:
Sorry for the confusion. I was suggesting selling your fund before the payout -- so there is no taxable distribution to report on your 2008 return -- and then buying a similar fund or ETF after it makes it's payout so, again, you avoid the taxable distribution. Of course, it's possible you can find a similar fund that will have no 2008 payout. Some managers work to match losses with gains inside their funds to protect investors from taxable payouts in losing years.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Buying Stock For Grandchildren
I regularly contribute to stock for my grandchildren
on their birthdays and at Christmas--Avon, Coca-Cola, RPM. Should I go
ahead with my modest contributions for this Christmas?
-- Sandra Rooney, Green Valley, AZ
ANSWER:
If you can afford to, I would certainly recommend it. Despite how scary this volatile market is, you know you can buy at bargain basement prices compared with a year ago. History tells us that over the long-term that your grandchildren have to invest, today will likely be looked back upon as a great time to buy. That doesn't mean the downdraft is over -- tomorrow may be an even better time to buy -- but over the long-term you can count on a market recovery.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Paying No Taxes If Investments Are Only Income
Kevin: Our only income is from investments. If we offset
all our short-term gains with short-term losses, can we pay zero taxes
on long-term gains up to $65,100. for married filing jointly?
-- Steve Rossell, Oakland, TN
ANSWER:
Great question. And it's really even better than you think.
For 2008, taxpayers in the 10% and 15% tax brackets enjoy a 0% rate on long-term capital gains, which are the profits from investments held more than a year before selling.
For 2008, the 15% bracket for joint returns ends at $65,100 of TAXABLE income.
Remember, as a married couple, you deserve at least $7,000 in personal exemptions plus deductions of at least $10,900 (the standard deduction for your filing status). So, you could really have a minimum of $83,000 of tax-free long-term gains, if that was your only income for the year.
That $17,900 could also sop up your short-term gains,
so you don't need short-term losses to offset them. (Actually, long-term
losses can offset short-term gains dollar for dollar.)
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Is There 10-Year Averaging On Capital Gains?
In 2008, a stock I've owned for thirty years was acquired by a private company so instead of receiving shares in the purchasing company I was paid cash and thus have a very large capital gain.
I had always planned to keep the stock forever, as it's been a growth company, and so a protection against inflation, as well as providing a reasonable dividend in terms of dollars because of the many stock splits over the years. (I would have been delighted to have received shares in the purchasing company, which is equally well positioned.)
Because of this forced taxable event I will end up overall
in a much higher tax bracket. It seems unfair to tax this type of capital
gains at the same rate as stocks that have been held for just two or three
years. At one time, I think the tax-code provided for ten year dollar-averaging
to mitigate such events but I don't believe there's anything similar today.
Am I overlooking anything?
-- Leonard M., Los Angeles, CA
ANSWER:
You're right, years ago a provision of the law let taxpayers average a big jump in income over several years, and back in 1997, lawmakers created a new special rate for capital gains from property held more than five years. Neither exist today, however. In fact, the five-year gain rule was abolished before it took effect.
The only way I can think of to mitigate your tax bill
would be if you have paper losses in your portfolio that you could "harvest",
that is, realize the losses to offset part of the big capital gain.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Can I Carry Over Excess Losses?
This year I sold for profit a stock, which I was holding for two years (say, this is stock A). I was also holding another stock (say, stock "B") for much longer time, which had come down in value. Lately, for tax purposes, I wanted to sell some shares of stock B for a loss, in order to balance out with my gains from stock A.
Unfortunately, I found out that shares of stock "B" has lost their entire value and are now worthless. The total purchase costs of shares of stock B were about 5 times the total profits that I have made from stock "A".
Now my question is that how I can handle this for tax purposes? Namely, can I balance out 1/5 of my losses with gains from stock "A" and keep 4/5 of the share losses for possible gains from any stocks in future? I will greatly appreciate your advice.
Thank you in advance.
-- Ray Ardbili
ANSWER:
First, sorry about the loss. If the Stock B truly became worthless in 2008, you can deduct 100% of your basis on your 2008 tax return. You report this on Schedule D as though you sold the stock on December 31, 2008, for $0.
The loss will first be used to wipe out your gain on Stock A. Then you can use up to $3,000 to offset other kinds of income, like your salary, self-employment income or interest income. Then, any excess will be carried over to 2009, when it can be used to offset any gains you realize...and up to $3,000 of other kinds of income. If you still have leftover losses, they carry over to 2010, and so on.
Hope this helps.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Why Aren't Options Transactions Reported?
Hi Kevin: I caught your show the other night. Actually I watch every night as I am an avid investor. Anyway something I thought you might want to mention was that if you sell a mutual fund at a loss and then buy it back, you need to wait 31 days to avoid a wash sale. Also I have been told (but haven't verified) that if you sell a mutual fund at a loss and then buy a stock that is one of the major holdings of that fund before 31 days pass, the IRS won't be happy about that either.
Personally I prefer selling something at a loss and buying something completely different that is selling at a deep discount. This isn't difficult because of the economic meltdown. The real question is will it be different this time? Will the market actually recover? Good thing I'm a buy and hold type of investor.
I do have one question for you. Why are option transactions
not reported to the IRS? I would think that the premiums are fully taxable.
Is it because on some ocasions when a security is called away or put to
the investor (as opposed to the option simply being closed out) that the
premium becomes part of the cost basis of the stock transaction? Thanks.
-- Chris Galik
ANSWER:
First, don't worry about running afoul of wash sale rule if you buy a security that happened to be in the portfolio of a mutual fund you sold at a loss. The wash sale rule applies to substantially identical securities and there is no way the IRS would compare a single stock to a basket of stocks.
As for your question about options, you're correct: the
option premium itself is not reported because the tax treatment depends
on whether or not the option i exercised. See IRS Publication 550 -- http://www.irs.gov/publications/p550/ch04.html#d0e12766
-- for details.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Reporting Interest Income
Hi my name is Ana and my question is what is the minimum
amount of interest income that has to be reported to the IRS. I am not
a professional trader or broker, I have an account with Scottrade which
I use to sell and buy shares. I am not sure if the interest came from
the shares accuired or from the rest of the money that was left in the
account but I did received some interest for this year 2008 and it will
be less than $10 dollars. I will not have any capital gains or losses
on the year 2008. Scottrade will not issue a form 1099 unless the amount
in capital gains, losses or interest is more than $100. Do I have to report
this interest? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
-- Ana, Kenosha, WI
ANSWER:
Although banks and brokers don't have to issue 1099 Forms if interest paid is less than $10, there is no minimum amount of interest that triggers a requirement that you report it. Under the law, even a penny of interest earned is supposed to be reported on your tax return. Since the tax tables rise in $50 increments, there's a good chance that reporting a few dollars won't have an impact on your tax bill. Of course, if the few dollars pushes you into the next $50 increment, it could trigger a relatively huge tax bill.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Can Short Term Losses Offset Long Term Gains?
Kevin: I took quite a few long term gains last spring {2008} and reinvested and now have quite a bit of short term losses. I know that you should not match long term gains with short term losses, but I need to reposition into more defensive areas. Will I be able to deduct all short term losses against all my long term gains to the extent I had them? Thanks, Ron
-- Ron Scharfe, Austin, TX
ANSWER:
First, sorry about the losses (aren't we all?) but, sure your short term losses can offset long-term gains. Gains and losses are first netted within the class -- long against long and short against short -- but than any excess of either is matched dollar for dollar against the other type. And, either long- or short-term losses can offset up to $3,000 of other kinds of income.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Should I Take Tax Loss On Down Stocks?
All of my long term and short term held NYSE stocks are way down from the price I purchased them. Should I sell some of them or all of them for a tax write off? Our married joint 1040 taxable income estimate is 65k - 80k.
-- J. Doeseckle, Chicago, IL
ANSWER:
You should never let the "tax tail wag the dog", so I can't tell you whether you should sell for tax purposes. I can tell you the tax ramifications. If you sell for a loss, that loss can be used to offset any capital gains you have for the year (including any taxable long-term gains distributed by mutual funds) and up to $3,000 of excess loss can be used to offset other kinds of income, such as your salary or interest income, or an IRA distribution, for example. (Based on your taxable income for the year, it looks like you're in the 25% bracket, so a $3,000 loss would save you $750.) Any loss that you realize that can't be used this year can be carried forward to be used in future years -- first against any capital gains, then up to $3,000 against other kinds of income.
-- Kevin McCormally, Editorial Director, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Reinvesting in "similar" mutual fund.
If I sell a mutual fund that has taken a loss and reinvest the proceeds in a similar fund with another company, does it count as a tax loss for this year?
-- Dianne Wells, Houston, TX
ANSWER:
It all depends on how "similar" the funds are. The "wash sale" rule prevents taking the loss on the sale of a security if, within 30 days, you buy a "substantially identical" security. Unfortunately, there's no official guidance on what that means. Buying back the same fund, of course, would be a no-no. And, many advisors think trading one S&P 500 fund for another would be too close for comfort, too. (Some advisors think that would be okay if there were some differences in fund management or pricing.) Beyond the index funds, though, it's pretty well agreed that changing one large cap growth fund for another would NOT run afoul of the rules.
And, note that the wash sale rule does not deny the loss...it
delays it. The loss you are prevented from deducting on your return is
added to basis of the substitute fund. By raising the basis, that means
you'll get the "benefit" of the loss by reducing the gain, or increasing
the tax-saving loss, when you later sell the new fund.
-- Kevin McCormally, Kiplinger Washington Editors
QUESTION: Can I repurchase shares for an IRA without triggering a wash-sale?
Can a security be sold for a loss in a taxable account
and then purchased before 31 days elapse in a tax-deferred account (IRA)
without violating the IRS Wash rule?
-- Jay Charles, Evansville, Indiana
ANSWER:
Although the IRS unofficially went back an forth on this issue for years, earlier in 2008, the agency issued a revenue ruling holding that the repurchase of shares by an IRA would trigger the wash-sale rule...meaning the loss on the previous sale would not be deductible.
Applying the wash-sale rule to an IRA repurchase is even
more harsh than in a taxable account. With a taxable account, the denied
loss is added to the basis of the repurchased securities, effectively
simply postponing the tax savings until those securities are sold. Within
the IRA, however, the basis doesn't matter, since withdrawals from a traditional
IRA are fully taxed.
-- Kevin McCormally, Kiplinger Washington Editors


