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LETTING IT RIDE

September 3, 1999
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Taking a look at boom town Las Vegas, correspondent Kwame Holman reports on the Republicans' efforts to sell their tax cut bill to constituents during the August recess and the mixed responses they've received.

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KWAME HOLMAN: The jewel of the desert has never glittered more brightly. Las Vegas, Nevada is America's boom town. Always a top international tourist destination, Vegas is attracting growing numbers who are coming to stay. They expect to take advantage of a burgeoning local economy centered on the gaming and entertainment industries and an affordability factor that includes no state income taxes. Shelley Berkley's family landed in Las Vegas 38 years ago.

SHELLEY BERKLEY: We were en route to California for my dad to get a job and he had a letter of introduction with him. We stopped in Las Vegas for the night. We never left.

KWAME HOLMAN: Variations on that story line are playing out at a record pace today. Las Vegas is the fastest growing city in the country; every month, an average 5,000 new residents drive up an area population of about 1.2 million.
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SHELLEY BERKLEY: When people think of Las Vegas, they look at the glitz, and they look at the glamour, and there's plenty of that. We have lots of it to spare. But this is a community of working families.

A community of working families  

KWAME HOLMAN: The self-described daughter of a waiter and a housewife, Shelly Berkley went on to law school, the legal department of a major Las Vegas hotel, and last year was elected to Congress. She now represents a million constituents and rising -- twice the population of most congressional districts.

SHELLEY BERKLEY: I've got 150,000 working families on the Las Vegas strip, and they depend on a good economy and a good community in order to get enough money to raise their families and take care of business.

KWAME HOLMAN: The Freshman Democrat says the entertainment industry workers she represents are not clamoring for the $792 billion tax cut passed by congressional Republicans in July.

SHELLEY BERKLEY: Nobody seems to be that concerned about it, and I'll tell you why. In my community, if you're making $55,000 or less, and this is a community of working people, that's the income level here $55,000 or less, you will get back from that $800 billion less than a dollar a day. You can't buy a cup of coffee for less than a dollar a day in this country.

KWAME HOLMAN: Las Vegas is responsible for the bulk of an estimated nine billion tax dollars Nevada will send to Washington this year. Republicans say giving Americans back some of that federal tax money will help make a strong national economy even stronger.

TERRY LANNI: It's each of our employees' money and their families' money, and the government should take no more than it needs.

KWAME HOLMAN: Terry Lanni is a Republican and chairman and CEO of MGM Grand Incorporated, which employs more than 10,000 people at its two hotel-casinos in Las Vegas. He defends the main feature of the Republican tax cut bill -- a one percentage point reduction in each of the five income tax rates.

TERRY LANNI: Now, the people at the high end of the tax bracket, as you know, pay for something like 86 percent of the taxes that are paid at the federal level, so most of the tax cuts would benefit those people because they are the highest taxpayers. But the fact that it's across the board would help every single individual who is an employee or a past member of MGM Grand because it would allow them to keep more of their own money.

 
Eliminating the so-called marriage penalty

KWAME HOLMAN: Another feature in the Republican tax cut bill may entice those who come here for the traditional Vegas wedding. It would eliminate the so-called marriage penalty, which forces some married couples to pay higher federal taxes than they would if they remained single.

(ORGAN PLAYING "HERE COMES THE BRIDE")

KWAME HOLMAN: That sounded like a good idea to Justin Mondragon and his bride, Kimberly, both of Fort Collins, Colorado

JUSTIN MONDRAGON: People who want to take the plunge like we're going to do, they're kind of scared because you're going to be paying more taxes, you know, so you might be hesitant to take that plunge, so I think they should get rid of it. It would be better for everybody.

KWAME HOLMAN: Joe Contini also likes features of the Republican tax cut bill. The 32-year-old deals blackjack at the MGM Grand. Contini is a registered Republican and applauds the bill's higher ceilings on contributions to 401(k) Individual Retirement Accounts and enhancements to employer-paid pensions for workers. But Contini says he doesn't really need a general tax cut.

JOE CONTINI: I have my four children, my wife, my mother that live with me. I get a lot of tax breaks on my tax bill right now. They really don't take any money out, so if they give me a tax break, I'm not going to really get any of it. So they're really pushing at the wrong person when they're trying to look for me for support for their tax bill.

KWAME HOLMAN: Such lukewarm support for the Republican tax bill is shared by a large segment of taxpayers. A late August USA Today, CNN, Gallup poll described the public as generally favoring tax cuts but without much enthusiasm. Many Americans say the federal budget surpluses projected for the next 10 years should first go toward reducing the national debt and shoring up the Social Security and Medicare programs.

 
Looking for support  

TV ANCHOR: Congressman Jim Gibbons talks about tax cuts when he joins us in the studio next.

KWAME HOLMAN: That's why Republican members of Congress fanned out during their August recess to herald the tax cut they passed in July. Second-term Nevada Republican Jim Gibbons rejects the charge the Republican plan fails to address the national debt and saving Social
Security.

JIM GIBBONS: The Republican plan puts out $2.2 trillion in the payment of the reduction of the debt, which is $200 billion more than the Clinton proposal in his offer. Even the Social Security Administration has said that what we have done with the Social Security lock box saves Social Security for all time, not just a decade, not just a century, but all time, which is very important for seniors, very important for the future of those people depending on it.

KWAME HOLMAN: Gibbons represents the suburbs surrounding Las Vegas. At an open house a few miles outside Las Vegas two weeks ago, Gibbons focused on the cut in capital gains taxes to show the Republicans' plan is aimed at helping average folks.

JIM GIBBONS: In most people their eyes glaze over when you start talking about the facts of capital gains. The facts are most Americans have an asset, as I talked about earlier, that deals with capital gains. We're reducing capital gains by 2 percent this year. I know it doesn't sound like much but we're working it down.

KWAME HOLMAN: But there were few questions this night about the tax cut bill. In fact, many of these Nevadans oppose taxes in general and some called for abolishing the Internal Revenue Service.

JIM GIBBONS: It looks like you're for the flat tax?

SPOKESMAN: Either flat, or square, or however you want it but I want to get rid of the IRS, period.

JIM GIBBONS: Well, we have your information here and this is important because let me say that when we go back to looking to how we're going to deal and revise the Internal Revenue Code, we want your input.

KWAME HOLMAN: Recent Nevada immigrant Ray Bales was a newspaperman with the San Jose Mercury News in California. He spoke in opposition to the Republican tax cuts.

RAY BALES: Instead of giving the people a tax cut, they ought to take care of these people's senior citizens who cannot afford prescription drugs. They should be looking at that first before we give anybody a tax break. They have senior citizens that either have to put food on the table or take their pills. That's a choice of one or the other, and we shouldn't have that in this country.

KWAME HOLMAN: But our informal poll of those who attended found most were generally supportive of the tax cut plan.

SPOKESMAN: Why not give it back to the people who earned it? It seems fair to me.

KWAME HOLMAN: That's a view that's shared well away from the glitz and glitter of Las Vegas. Overton lies about 60 miles northeast of the big city. Russ Babb owns the Best Western Hotel. While he expressed some ambivalence about the overall tax bill, he said he likes the Republicans' idea of cutting the personal capital gains tax.

RUSS BABB: Well, for instance, when we were building this place, I ended up selling some property up in Salt Lake and taking the money to put into this, and I still had to pay capital gains on that. And so I -- you know -- I ended up losing thousands of dollars to the government for that, even though I put it into this and I still pay taxes on this. One of these days I'm going to sell this place and retire, and I'll be hit with capital gains. And depending on what they are at the time, I might not make any money off of it, you know, even though I've built this thing from the ground up, I've worked it, you know, 14 hours a day for a year so far, I'll be penalized for that basically.

  Is it a break?  
  KWAME HOLMAN: Linda and Burt Basciano have owned a farm supply store in Overton called The Spur for almost a year. Linda Basciano said at their moderate income level the proposed tax cut is unlikely to make much of a difference to her family of three.

LINDA BASCIANO: I just feel like when somebody says tax cut, I'm like yeah, a thousand dollars, two thousand dollars. Now that I can use. Two or three hundred dollars, to me, doesn't really hit me as a break. I mean, I guess every little bit helps, but it would be nice if I had a thousand dollars to stick in a savings account; that would be a break.

JIM GIBBONS: Thank you. Thanks for coming.

KWAME HOLMAN: The Republicans' recess campaign hopes to turn public opinion toward a more favorable view of their tax cut plan. They say if that happens, President Clinton -- who says the tax cuts are too large -- will have to rescind his threat to veto the package. Still, they say there's room for compromise with the President and congressional Democrats.

JIM GIBBONS: There is always that opportunity. But getting them to actually help out on something has been a struggle. The Democrats have always wanted to be obstructionists in any proposed policy like this over the last several months.

KWAME HOLMAN: Congresswoman Berkley says Democrats will hold to their opposition as long as the tax cut package remains so large it would force big cuts in federal spending.

SHELLEY BERKLEY: I'm not suggesting that we don't have any tax cut. I'm just saying let's be fiscally responsible instead of looking for the next campaign issue. And this tax cut isn't going to do my constituents one bit of good, but it's going to be devastating for my school age kids, it's going to be devastating for my seniors, devastating for my veterans, and it's going to kill programs that help thousands and thousands of minority people that are just getting started.

KWAME HOLMAN: In boom town Las Vegas - like much of the country -- such concerns may seem far off to large segments of the population riding high on the economy. In that atmosphere of good economic times, Republicans and Democrats will leave their districts and return to Washington next week to rejoin the tax cut debate.

 


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