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COUNTDOWN TO NEW HAMPSHIRE

February 16, 1996

The Republican candidates are in New Hampshire for the final push before next Tuesday's primary. Margaret Warner reports.


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STEVE FORBES, Republican Presidential Candidate: I'm making no predictions on Tuesday. I'm just trying to get my message out there, and let the voters take it from there.

MARGARET WARNER: It's not as if New Hampshire voters haven't had the opportunity to evaluate the eight Republican Presidential contenders. The candidates have been everywhere in the state. The media coverage has been exhaustive, and political ads continue to clog the airwaves.

PATRICK BUCHANAN, Republican Presidential Candidate: (TV Ad) I'll cancel that Dole, Forbes, Gramm trade deal with Mexico. We'll stop sending American jobs abroad, and we'll start putting American workers first.

MARGARET WARNER: But four days before the Presidential primary here, a sizeable number of voters still haven't made up their minds.

MAN: I'm looking for somebody who can beat Bill Clinton in November, and I'm not sure that I see that person in the panel that we're presented with now.

WOMAN: I'm an independent, and I'm not, I'm not sure where I'm going on Tuesday, but I will be voting.

SECOND MAN: I have not made a decision. I think when I go in the polling booth on Tuesday, hopefully, something will have jelled over the weekend.

MARGARET WARNER: The candidates' own pollsters concede that last night's televised debate didn't make the voters' choice much easier. It was a rough and tumble event, good theater, some discussion of issues, but no one emerged a clear victor.

PATRICK BUCHANAN, Republican Presidential Candidate: (Last Night) Let me say this, Bob, if I'm an extremist, why are you pirating my ideas and parroting my rhetoric?

MS. WARNER: Sen. Robert Dole, considered the front-runner here, was the target of the other candidates last night.

LAMAR ALEXANDER, Republican Presidential Candidate: I've been so surprised to see that Sen. Dole has begun negative advertising on television against Pat Buchanan and now against me. Sen. Dole, you're better than your negative ads. Why don't you pull them off?

SEN. ROBERT DOLE, Republican Presidential Candidate: Well, we do have a right of self-defense in America, and I stood by from October 23rd when Steve Forbes started hammering me until January 12th, almost three months, I took negative, negative, millions and millions of dollars worth of negative ads, and they didn't even use a good picture of me, so, Steve, I brought some pictures. Next time you run one, use this picture. It's better of me and my wife, it's good of her, and that's my little dog Leader in this picture. He's the one on the right. So I know all about negative ads.

SPOKESMAN: And this is Elizabeth.

SEN. ROBERT DOLE: That's Elizabeth. So if you're going to use negative ads--

STEVE FORBES, Republican Presidential Candidate: Senator, no pretty picture can get around what you did in Texas.

SEN. ROBERT DOLE: I know your problem. You've got a lot of money and you want to buy this election. But this election's not for sale. You hammered my positive rating from 80 to 13 in Iowa down to 54. That's what you did with negative ads. Nobody else has been the victim of negative ads up there, except Bob Dole.

MARGARET WARNER: The jabs were even more intense from Buchanan, who polls show has a real shot at overtaking Dole here.

PATRICK BUCHANAN: But let me take up an issue mentioned by Sen. Dole again. Sen. Dole said if we hadn't bailed out Mexico with $50 billion, why all these immigrants would have come streaming across our border.

SEN. ROBERT DOLE: It's going to be repaid too, Pat. You know, the money is going to be repaid.

PATRICK BUCHANAN: Lots of luck, Bob.

SEN. ROBERT DOLE: We're not going to lose one cent. We took care of that.

PATRICK BUCHANAN: You're not going to get a dime of that money back. Let me give my answer here.

MARGARET WARNER: Forbes, in turn, who seems to be losing ground for third place to Lamar Alexander, took sharp aim at the former Tennessee governor. Forbes attacked Alexander for using his government positions to make lucrative personal financial deals.

STEVE FORBES: Now, you've seen Lamar Alexander. He's now engaging in ads, distorting my position, calling me a Wall Street insider. Well, as a Wall Street insider, many of us were impressed when Hillary Clinton turned $1,000 into $100,000. But I was really astonished when I learned that as governor, Gov. Alexander turned $1 into $620,000. So when he says A, B, C, that Alexander beats Clinton, what he meant was not Bill Clinton but Hillary Clinton.

LAMAR ALEXANDER, Republican Presidential Candidate: As far as Mr. Forbes goes, he knows what a capital gain is. I was proud of that. The reason everyone knows about that is I've disclosed my tax returns, since 1978, even when I'm in private life. Steve, why don't you disclose your tax returns as well? If your tax-cutting agenda is our agenda, then we need to know what taxes you pay? And if we're not careful, we're going to spend all of our time talking about each other--

STEVE FORBES: You as governor have invested $20 million in various scams that you have gotten $1.9 million return for.

LAMAR ALEXANDER: Steve.

STEVE FORBES: $1.9 million.

MARGARET WARNER: The candidates did engage in some serious debate about issues affecting voters. The economic impact of free trade has been a primary focus of Buchanan's campaign, but last night, all the candidates found themselves talking about it.

PATRICK BUCHANAN: For the life of me, I cannot understand why my colleagues will not recognize that when you cut trade deals that force Americans to compete with people making $1 an hour and 25 cents an hour in China and 75 cents an hour in Singapore, wages are going to go down, and they're going down. And for heaven sakes, stand with me and do something to put a stop to it and end what's going on.

MODERATOR: Thank you, Mr. Buchanan. Sen. Dole.

SEN. ROBERT DOLE: Let me say first of all the problem is not with NAFTA and GATT I supported. The problem is President Clinton. He's been less than aggressive, in effect, to be an aggressive trade policy. He's got anti-dumping provisions, anti-subsidy provisions. We have provisions, a law called Section 301, where you can take action to protect American workers. He hasn't done it. He hasn't done it, time after time after time.

ALAN KEYES, Republican Presidential Candidate: But I also want to caution against the rhetoric that I'm listening to from Mr. Buchanan, Mr. Dole, and others, beating up on the corporations, talking as if the government is going to guarantee everybody a job with the trade policies and this policy and that policy. They sound like a bunch of socialists, not a bunch of Republicans. And I'm getting a little tired of it.

SEN. RICHARD LUGAR, Republican Presidential Candidate: Where we have free competition, we will succeed. If we are not powerful economically and militarily and we do not have a strong foreign policy, we will not succeed. We will lose jobs if we go protectionist and isolationist. We will gain jobs if we take leadership in the world.

MARGARET WARNER: None of the candidates confronted Pat Buchanan about his campaign co-chairman who stepped aside yesterday, following reports linking him to white supremacist and right-wing militia groups. It was Buchanan, himself, who brought up the issue of Larry Pratt in his closing remarks at the debate.

PATRICK BUCHANAN: Larry stood by me when nobody else did back in 1992, and I'm going to stand by him. I want to tell the folks out there that are spearing him because Larry Pratt is a devout Christian, he's being attacked because he supports me, he's being attacked because he's defended Second Amendment rights his whole life, and that's why they're going after him.

MARGARET WARNER: But this morning, the issue continued to dog Buchanan. He didn't show up for a scheduled radio talk show in Manchester, but he did call in from his hotel room a half hour late and host Jerry Williams was ready.

JERRY WILLIAMS: Well, how come you didn't know? How come you said something about him last night that, in effect, says, that well, I practically endorse him, he's a good Christian and all of that?

PATRICK BUCHANAN: No, no, what we said, Jerry, is this: These allegations nobody knew, and he said this is, these are false and malicious, I abhor these groups, I was at some meeting where they turned up, I despise these folks, and I think I should take a leave of absence, and I would like to defend myself.

MARGARET WARNER: Steve Forbes, meanwhile, was speaking to a Rotary Club breakfast in New London, once again promoting his plan for a flat tax to replace the current system.

STEVE FORBES: Scrap it, kill it, bury it, and hope it never rises again to terrorize the American people.

MARGARET WARNER: Bob Dole was speaking to a breakfast crowd as well, members of the Chamber of Commerce in Portsmith.

SEN. ROBERT DOLE: Well, I appreciate very much being here this morning and we had a little meeting last night. I'm going to put in for another Purple Heart.

MARGARET WARNER: But it was Lamar Alexander who seemed the most upbeat. The polls show he is the only candidate with much momentum right now.

LAMAR ALEXANDER: What do you think of all these TV cameras? Have you ever seen this many TV cameras? No. I haven't either. It's nice to have them, isn't it?

MARGARET WARNER: And so, as this winter weekend approaches, New Hampshire has only the appearance of tranquility. In fact, New Hampshire voters remain as unpredictable and volatile as ever.


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