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GWEN IFILL: Russia and its President. Vladimir Putin is
still a little-known figure outside Russia. He's met only one foreign
leader, the prime minister of Britain.
We start with two reports, the first from Robert Moore of Independent
Television News.
ROBERT
MOORE, ITN: On the international stage, Russia's new president is still
being assessed. Mr. Blair had the opportunity of meeting with him just
two weeks ago in St. Petersburg, and all western leaders have declared
that Vladimir Putin is a man they can do business with. But they also
concede he remains an enigmatic figure whose philosophy and policies
have yet to be spelled out.
His war in Chechnya was hugely popular, but its brutality also raised
real questions about Putin's commitment to human rights. But his biggest
challenge now is economic reform. How he handles the economy and deals
with Russia's endemic corruption will be the key signals about what
type of leadership he will provide. He has projected himself as a man
of action, seen flying into Chechnya in a jet fighter. But beyond such
images, little is known about Putin's political program or even his
past. For
example, mystery still surrounds Vladimir Putin's years as a KGB agent.
He was recruited at St. Petersburg University. Fluent in German, he
was stationed in the 1980's in the East German City of Dresden. Putin's
exact role is unknown, but it's believed he trained agents to target
western technology secrets. His favorite sport is known to be judo,
but nothing so far will have prepared him for the colossal challenge
that awaits him, now he is securely installed in the Kremlin.
Signaling
that his will be a new and more aggressive Russian leadership, Vladimir
Putin has moved fast to try to establish his authority. Thanking his
ministers for his election triumph, they need no reminding of the president's
sweeping powers under the Russian constitution. He can dismiss his cabinet
at any time, but says he wants a period of stability while at the same
time making a break with the past. That past, in the shape of Boris
Yeltsin, was celebrating the victory of the man he named his successor.
On the streets of Moscow, Russian voters were optimistic about the
prospects for a new beginning. "We hope he'll be a good president,
but we've been cheated so often in the past." "We like the
fact that he sorted out the situation in Chechnya," this lady said.
Yet the truth is that after thousands of deaths in the latest Chechen
conflict, it is by no means over yet. And as Mr. Putin works this evening
in the Kremlin, he has other daunting tasks ahead of him. He
must tackle a Russian economy still in crisis and a culture of corruption
in Russia that means that billionaire businessmen can often exercise
more influence than many of those in the Russian government itself.
To help him do that, Mr. Putin has shown a greater openness towards
the West. One of his first phone calls was to Tony Blair. But it was
here with Russia's military this evening that Mr. Putin delivered his
serious message. The Russian army's campaign in Chechnya, he says, shows
Russia can't be pushed around.
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GWEN IFILL: Ray Suarez takes the story from there.
RAY
SUAREZ: For more on Russia and its president we turn to Anna Vassilieva,
Associate Professor of Russian studies at the Monterey Institute of
International Studies. She was born in Eastern Siberia and is now a
U.S. citizen. Eva Busza, Assistant Professor of Government at the College
of William and Mary. And Steven Solnick, Associate Professor of Political
Science at Columbia University and author of "Stealing the State:
Control and Collapse in Soviet Institutions." Professor Solnick,
a run-off won't be needed in Russia. What does that tell us?
STEVEN
SOLNICK, Columbia University: Well, it tells us Vladimir Putin was able
to win a victory that would be any western politician's dream. He won
by more than 20% of the vote against a fragmented opposition without
really committing himself to any particular set of policies after he's
elected. So, he can now claim to have a crushing vote and mandate to
do pretty much anything he wants to do. And in the case of Putin, I
think that's a slightly worrisome turn of events.
RAY SUAREZ: Eva Busza, is he out of the shadow of Boris Yeltsin or
still seen as Yeltsin's man?
EVA
BUSZA, College of William & Mary: I think it was very important
that he did win on the first run. And I think one of the reasons why
we saw that he was very careful not to alienate any sector of the population
was because he did need that mandate. I think with that mandate, he
has been able and he will be able to claim now that he is out of Boris
Yeltsin's shadow.
RAY SUAREZ: And Anna Vassilieva, what do you make of the size of the
victory?
ANNA VASSILIEVA, Monterey Institute for International Studies: Well,
I think that the victory is very significant, that one couldn't expect
much more from Mr. Putin's victory, and I think that after the legacy
of Boris Yeltsin's democratic revolution, Mr. Putin now faces an enormous
task that is going to define the course of life in Russia for the next
few years.
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RAY SUAREZ: What kind of signal should we understand from the fact
that the second finishing party was Zyuganov's Communist Party with
30% of the vote?
ANNA
VASSILIEVA: Well, I think very strongly that the large amount of votes
that were given to Communists shows that the population is extremely
frustrated with the past government of Boris Yeltsin and the way Boris
Yeltsin governed the country. This is the vote of people who are disillusioned.
This is the vote of people who want predictability and stability of
Communism back, and I hope that Mr. Putin will be able to use this support
in order to consolidate people behind the policies that he's putting
forward so far.
RAY SUAREZ: Professor Busza, what about the Communists, the leading
opposition party?
EVA BUSZA: I think it's really important that they've done as well
as they did. I think they did better than most of us here thought they
would do. I think that Putin now has already indicated that he is interested
in working with the Communists. He has stated that one needs to put...
one needs to give a lot of attention now to improving the welfare of
the average Russian citizen, and he seems to be reacting to that mandate.
I think that it's... the Communists, by doing as well as they have done,
have really helped to position themselves in a way that they can have
more of a voice in policy in the next few years.
RAY SUAREZ: The reports from Moscow said that the economy is job one.
Professor Solnick, does anything about Vladimir Putin's background give
us any hint of how he'll deal with that?
STEVEN
SOLNICK: I think we have to remember first of all he has been prime
minister for eight months. So we can look at his record as head of the
Russian government. His record has head of the Russia government really
gives us no clue what he has in mind. He's pulled together a team of
experts that have been working furiously to draw up an economic plan.
That economic plan was supposed to be released in March, before the
election. Then they said it would be a couple of weeks before the election.
Now they're saying, well, we probably won't release it until May, after
Putin is inaugurated and after he names a cabinet. I think that we have
to start to wonder really whether he has any sense of what he wants
to do after this vote, and there's nothing in his background particularly
to suggest that he has his own well-formed ideas of economic policy.
So I think what we're seeing behind the scenes is the same stalemate
in economic debate that's paralyzed Russian economic policy making for
ten years now.
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RAY SUAREZ: Well, Professor Vassilieva, we heard a lot about order
and stability, maybe as much as we heard in economic productivity. What
should that tell us?
ANNA
VASSILIEVA: Well, law and stability, order and stability in the country,
are the major needs of Russian people now, of the majority of the Russian
people. What is very important is to understand that there can be no
concern regarding human rights if there is no statehood. If the state
cannot protect the rights of people who live there, there is nothing
here to talk about. And the problem of law, of abiding to the law, has
been the eternal problem of Russia. So Vladimir Putin now is facing
the major challenge of reforming the society, reforming the legal system,
reforming the government, so that the rule of law-- he calls it dictatorship
of law-- will be a defining structure of Russian society.
RAY SUAREZ: A lot of the man-on-the-street interviews that have been
coming out of Russia in the past few weeks showed voters who talked
about stability and law as an economic issue.
ANNA VASSILIEVA: Well, it is an economic issue in a way. People are
disillusioned. Let me repeat myself. You know, when you go into provinces,
you see people who weren't paid for years. They weren't paid salaries
for years. Basically the only group of population who have been paid
were the people who are retired. And Vladimir Putin really helped the
retirees to get their money in time. So they're grateful to him for
that. So, for workers, it's not just having the law in the country but
also fighting the corruption because the society -- the workers feel
that there is a group in Russia who have illegally gained a lot at the
expense of the rest of the population. So this is one of the major challenges
of Mr. Putin: To make the law equal and necessary for everyone in the
country to follow.
RAY SUAREZ: Professor Busza, you wanted to add?
EVA
BUSZA: I wanted to agree with that. I think that's a very important
point to highlight, that there has been almost a convergence between
the idea of law and order and economic development for the short run.
I think that the problem is-- and I think that what many commentators
in the West are concerned about-- is that that law and order will mean
the curbing of a great deal of freedoms which in the long run mean a
stemming of Russia's ability to be creative in the economic realm. So
in the short run, that law and order is very likely to encourage western
investment. It's likely to regularize some of the economic transactions
that have occurred. But in the long run, I think that it will serve
to the detriment of Russia's further development.
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RAY SUAREZ: Professor Solnick, do you agree?
STEVEN
SOLNICK: No, not really. I think what Putin has been able to do in the
last six or seven months in terms of paying salaries has been largely
a consequence of world oil prices. Russia has been able to collect an
enormous windfall in its own budget surplus because of the rise in oil
prices. And they've used this to pay off groups that need to be paid
off so Putin can secure his victory. What they didn't do in this period,
I think, was lay the groundwork for really serious systemic reforms
in the economy, in society, in the structuring of relationships between
the national and federal government. By not doing that, I think it becomes
very difficult to use the word "mandate" as we've been using
it here to describe what Putin takes from this election.
What Putin said to people about a month ago was, "I'm not going
to tell you what I plan to do if I'm elected because elections are just
opportunities for politicians to outbid each other. As soon as I start
to tell you what I'm going to do, I start to lose votes." What
he's basically saying was you'll like me but only as long as I don't
tell you what my plans are. The problem is governing is about that too.
Governing is about convincing people that your plans are the right plans.
There's been a lot of criticism of Russian economic policy in the last
ten years that says that what the Russian government has failed to do
was bring the society along on their attempts to reform the government.
Putin has just wasted an enormous opportunity to do this. He was never
at risk of losing a run-off election if it went to a second round. He
could have laid out policies and used this opportunity to convince the
Russian people that a whole series of reforms he has in mind, if he
has any in mind, are right and then the vote would have been a mandate
for change. That didn't happen.
RAY
SUAREZ: Professor Vassilieva, that doesn't necessarily sound like the
instincts of a convinced democrat.
ANNA VASSILIEVA: Well, what I should say here-- I wasn't very sure
what the question was because the connection wasn't very good, but I
would like to comment on bit on what was said before I was given the
floor here. Russia is at war right now. So it is not fair, I think,
to ask of President-elect Putin now to have presented the full economic
program much earlier because he has to deal with very important issues
at the same time. What I think is extremely important now is to trust
his word, and he makes it very clear that Russia is not going to turn
away from the market reforms. It is going to be open to the western
society, and he is going to work towards freedom of...living up to the
promises of freedom of speech in the country. This is very important.
And point number two is it's extremely important for the Democrats in
the country now to unite and work together along with president-elect
and be a constructive opposition. That's one of the issues that's very
important to deal with in contemporary Russia now.
RAY SUAREZ: Professor Busza, one of the first things the new president-elect
said was, "we're not changing course in Chechnya." And in
his message to President-elect Putin, Bill Clinton noted that, congratulating
him but at the same time taking a little edge off that by saying we're
still worried about Chechnya.
EVA
BUSZA: Yeah. I think that here is sort of the real testimony to Putin's
weak relationship to supporting human rights. And I think that it is
very important now for the West to stress that Russia is... even if
Russia now is able to consolidate domestic order at home, even if it
is able to remove some of the corruption, even if Russia is promoting
some advancing in terms of our arms control negotiations, that at the
same time we're not going to take the eye off the ball in terms of how
individual rights are going to be supported -- and that we will be watching
to see how, for example, the Chechen campaign continues to be conducted
and that we will be pressing them to bring an end to the struggle there.
RAY SUAREZ: Professors, thank you all.
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