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FDA Withdrawal

BAD MEDICINE

June 23, 1998

The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer Transcript

Four deaths have prompted the Food and Drug Administration to pull a painkilling drug off the market. Is this a sign that the FDA is moving too quickly and approving unsafe drugs for use? After a background report, two medical experts debate the approval process of the FDA.

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FDA SPENCER MICHELS: The withdrawal late yesterday of a new painkilling drug by the Food and Drug Administration--after four deaths--has renewed debate about the agency's drug approval process. The FDA has primary authority to approve all new drugs and medications before they can be prescribed to the public. Though the FDA has enjoyed a long reputation for careful regulation, it has also endured continual criticism from patient advocate groups, drug manufacturers, and some members of congress who want drugs approved faster. Those critics have argued that the agency is often too slow to make drugs available to patients in urgent need.

FDA In response, last November President Clinton signed into law a measure to speed FDA approval of drugs and medical devices. The new measures include: easier access to experimental drugs for severely ill patients; and faster FDA review of medicines for aids, cancer and other diseases. For their part, drug companies are required to study the safety of so-called off-label uses of their drugs using a drug originally intended to treat one disease for something else--and to seek FDA approval for such uses within three years.

FDA But recently, three highly publicized cases have once again set off criticism of the approval process. But this time the issue is whether the FDA is moving too quickly and allowing unsafe medicines to reach patients before enough testing has been completed. Last fall, the diet drugs Redux and Fenfluramine were removed from the market after they were found to cause heart valve problems in a small number of patients. Earlier this month, Posicor, a medication prescribed for high blood pressure, was withdrawn when it was found to react adversely with about two dozen other medications. At that time, the FDA said it had received reports of 24 deaths associated with Posicor. And yesterday, the painkiller Duract, was pulled from pharmacy shelves after four patients died of liver failure and eight more required liver transplants.

JIM LEHRER: More from Elizabeth Farnsworth.

FDA ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Joining us now is the Acting Commissioner of the FDA, Dr. Michael Friedman, and Dr. Sidney Wolfe, Director of the Health Research Group of Public Citizen, a consumer advocacy organization.

Dr. Friedman, is the FDA moving too quickly to approve drugs now?

DR. MICHAEL FRIEDMAN, Acting Commissioner, FDA: I think the answer to that is "no." It's a very considerable challenge for us to take all the scientific information that we need to make a good decision. And once a decision is made it's constantly re-examined. But I think in these particular situations the answer is no.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: What is the average review time now for a drug? It was about 30 months in 1992, as I understand it.

Is the FDA moving to quickly to approve new drugs?

FDA DR. MICHAEL FRIEDMAN: The average review time is a little over one year, but for the products that you've just been describing, for example, for Duract, that product required 27 months, two and a third years for review, and there was a study period of clinical trials of about a decade from 1984 to 1994. So I think it's fair to say that that period of time is fairly substantial and the 2,400 patients who received the product were part of a very careful analysis and evaluation.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Dr. Sidney Wolfe, do you think the FDA is moving too quickly?

DR. SIDNEY WOLFE, Public Citizen: For certain categories of drugs, like drugs for cancer and AIDS and life-threatening illnesses, we applaud the idea that the FDA is moving rapidly. Most drugs don't fall into that category, and in the last couple of years the FDA has broken two records. They've approved a record number of drugs, 92 drugs in 1996 and '97, more than ever in any two-year period, and a record number of drugs has been found so dangerous they had to be taken off the market. Most of these 92 drugs were not breakthrough drugs. There were another one of these-25th or 30th painkiller, and all of the drugs that came off the market were not for any life saving purpose. So we think that in the last couple of years, certainly under pressure from the Congress, the FDA has been more reckless than they ever have been and the ducks are coming home to roost, so to speak, because we are having one drug after another taken off the market. The fact that it took such a long time for the drug that came off the market yesterday to be looked at doesn't really mean anything, because at the end of that time the answer should have been don't approve it. It caused an extraordinary amount of liver damage in people. This was known before approval, and there were many people in the FDA who did not think it should be approved.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: What about that, Dr. Friedman, how do you explain the approval of Duract and then its withdrawal less than a year later?

FDA DR. MICHAEL FRIEDMAN: With all due respect, I believe the use of the term "reckless" is in itself reckless, and I think it doesn't add to the thoughtful debate that we're trying to have. I think that the family of products that Duract is from, the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, all have the side effect of irritating and inflaming the liver. All can cause liver damage. Drugs that are over the counter like Tylenol can do so, but many other drugs can as well. If Duract is used as labeled for 10 days or less, the drug is extremely safe. The incidence of serious side effects with liver damage is perhaps one in 100,000 patients. Now, in order to study one or two or three hundred thousand patients, decades would be required. The side effects that were noted during the clinical trials were mild elevations of liver enzyme abnormalities, mild liver abnormalities, these are very frequently seen. And our responsibility is not to approve one, two, or five drugs in a family. The legal requirement that we have is as a new product is submitted to us to make the very best scientific assessment that we can of that product.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Dr. Wolfe, yes, go ahead.

FDA DR. SIDNEY WOLFE:I agree with that plan, but internal FDA documents show that one of the physicians at the FDA thought that this drug before approval was more dangerous than any of the other drugs, the non-steroidal and non-inflammatory drugs. And it was originally studied to be used for longer periods of time, so lots of patients and lots of doctors used this drug for months and months and months when it was studied for arthritis. And it was so dangerous that they had to decide that it should not be used for more than 10 days. The drug caused an enormous amount of liver damage in animals known even before clinical trials on people were exposed. So this drug was really unique in its liver toxicity, and it is because of this it came off the market. The idea of some FDA spokesperson yesterday it shows the system works because we picked up these things after approval is itself a really irresponsible statement, because if the system worked, this drug never would have come on the market, and all the people who have died or had liver transplants or have had near misses in terms of liver toxicity would be spared.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Dr. Friedman.

Were people recklessly exposed to dangerous drugs?

FDA DR. SIDNEY WOLFE: And it's not the only one. The same is true of a couple of the other drugs. Evidence known at the time of approval and recommendations by several FDA advisers were that this heart-blood pressure drug, Posicor, shouldn't be approved until the results of a study, ongoing then, came out. And when the results of that study came out, it was taken off the market a couple of weeks ago. Two hundred thousand people were needlessly exposed to that drug, and many of them died.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Dr. Friedman.

DR. MICHAEL FRIEDMAN: Well, I disagree strongly with many of the assertions that Dr. Wolfe is making. There's always a vigorous internal debate within the agency amongst our scientists as to how best to review and approve a product. I think the balance here is between having perfect information and having sufficient information. We all recognize that there's no product that's perfectly safe or perfectly effective, and so we don't ask for that. What we do ask for is a sufficiency of information so it can be properly used by a health care provider and that there's proper information for a patient to utilize that. With all respect, I think what's expected is to provide that good information. Many times, in fact, in the large majority of cases, that information becomes more evident, both for benefits and for toxic side effects, after a product is on the market. Our responsibility is an ongoing one, and again respectfully, I disagree with Dr. Wolfe. I think the system worked very well in this case.

FDA ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: I'd like to move this on to products that have been on the market a while, and that's the case, for example, with the Fen-Phen diet drug, and then it's discovered that they have adverse reactions with other drugs. How is the system, Dr. Friedman, for monitoring drugs that have been on the market for a long time? Because the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that 100,000 Americans die each year from adverse reactions.

DR. MICHAEL FRIEDMAN: Well, that article in the Journal of the American Medical Association says that those patients die from known side effects of medicines used quite properly. Their point is that these are deaths which are in a sense unavoidable. I'm more concerned about deaths that are avoidable and new toxicities that have never previously been described. For example, with the diet products that you've been mentioning, Fenfluramine was a product that was first approved in 1963. The product has been used in tens of thousands of individuals for decades. The side effects that were seen-the subtle new heart valve toxicity-was very rare, very subtle, and required the greatest scrutiny in order to observe it. In fact, I think it's safe to say that there are many products which cause side effects that we don't properly appreciate. The challenge to us to try and have the most vigilant, the most dynamic, the most proactive system for tracking side effects, and then having an agency that's prepared to revisit decisions and to make re-evaluations whenever that's possible.

The challenge: to be vigilant in decisions and reevaluations.

FDA DR. SIDNEY WOLFE: That's a theory which I couldn't agree with more. The problem is that these drugs, Posicor, the blood pressure drug that came off the market two weeks ago and the drug Duract, the painkiller that came off yesterday, never would have been approved 10 years ago. Ten years ago the FDA was much more careful, much more vigilant, and when a serious question-I mean, Dr. Friedman said you can't have perfect evidence, I agree with that. You have to have sufficient amount of information. But if there's a sufficient amount of information to raise serious questions about the safety of a drug, 10 years ago they would have said, no, we're not going to approve it. We did a study a few years ago showing then that many more drugs came on the market in France, Germany, and the United Kingdom and then had to be banned because of safety reasons. Then was the case in the United States. That gap, then an advantage to Americans, is narrowing significantly with the kinds of reckless approvals and now safety withdrawals that are occurring. I would bet that there are going to be another two or three of these record number of 92 drugs approved in 1996 and '97 that are going to have to come off the market. Unfortunately, instead of having good congressional oversight that says can we learn something from this, can we do a post mortem, not avoid that, the FDA is pummeled by the drug industry and its indentured service in Congress, who hold hearings to actually weaken the FDA, not to approve it.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: I need to get back to Dr. Friedman. Here, we just have a little time left, Dr. Friedman, for a response.

DR. MICHAEL FRIEDMAN: Please. I think the rhetoric, again, is unfortunate. This is hardly reckless. These are scientists who evaluate things so carefully and take the responsibility so seriously. Dr. Wolfe speaks of pressures that are on the agency, and I think he's quite correct. There are important expectations layered upon the agency by the public. There are important expectations laid on by Congress as the voice of the public, by industry, by health care providers, by advocacy groups and others. But I submit that the biggest pressures, the most intense pressures felt by the agency, are those from within each of the staff reviewers. They take so seriously their responsibility to act in a speedy fashion but to act responsibly and carefully. Scientists may disagree about certain scientific information, but I think it's irresponsible to speak of the decisions that the agency goes through as being reckless or ill considered-quite the contrary.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Thank you both very much for being with us.

DR. MICHAEL FRIEDMAN: Thank you.


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