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Online Special: Keeping
the Peace in Kosovo
Feb. 18, 2000:
A report and discussion on rising
tensions in Kosovo.
Nov. 23, 1999:
President Clinton takes
a look inside Kosovo.
Nov. 22, 1999:
Clinton addresses
a celebration in Bulgaria.
Aug. 27, 1999:
A look at efforts
to keep the peace in postwar Kosovo.
Aug. 19, 1999:
A report on the opposition rally against
President Milosevic
Aug. 4, 1999:
The reconstruction of Kosovo
July 30, 1999:
A report on cycles
of revenge in Kosovo
July 28, 1999:
World Bank president James Wolfensohn discusses rebuilding
in Kosovo.
July 26, 1999:
National
Security Advisor Samuel Berger on peacekeeping efforts in
Yugoslavia.
June 22, 1999:
The U.S. military attempts to enforce
the peace.
June 16, 1999:
Prizren
after the Bombs
June 14, 1999:
A report on the
situation in Pristina
June 11, 1999:
Newsmaker interview with President
Clinton.
June 11, 1999:
President Clinton discusses the
crisis in Kosovo.
Complete NewsHour
coverage of Europe
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RAY
SUAREZ: Before last year's Kosovo war, ethnic Serbs and Albanians worked
and lived side by side in Mitrovica, a mining town in northern Kosovo.
But today it's the site of recurring ethnic tensions, a bitterly divided
city that residents call the last battlefield of the war.
A year ago this month, after months of warnings to the Serbs to stop
their repression of the majority ethnic Albanians, NATO allies began
their 11-week bombing campaign against Yugoslavia. Tens of thousands
of Albanians were forced from their homes and villages by Serb security
forces.
By
June, Slobodan Milosevic's army had left Kosovo, and ethnic Albanians
began returning to their homes. Most of the Serbs fled to Serbia proper,
though thousands remained in the North and in Mitrovica. The Albanians
demanded an independent Kosovo, but the allies in effect made the Serb
province a United Nations protectorate. Bernard Kouchner, a former French
cabinet minister, was named U.N. Special Representative, supervising
refugee and other humanitarian issues. The international peacekeeping
force, made up of mostly NATO nations, is under the command of German
General Klaus Reinhardt.
Mitrovica's bloodshed, which drew international attention back to Kosovo,
began February 2, when two elderly Serbs were killed by a grenade explosion
on a UN bus.
Over
the next two weeks, at least seven Albanians died from Serb counterattacks
and clashes with French members of the NATO peacekeeping force known
as KFOR.
In late February, as many as 50,000 Albanians marched into Mitrovica
from 17 miles away.
SPOKESMAN: (speaking through interpreter) We will go as far as Belgrade,
if we have to. They did not solve the situation in Mitrovica, so that
is why we, the youth, are heading there.
RAY
SUAREZ: The protesters ended up at the Ibar River, the city's geographic
and ethnic dividing line. Today, mostly Albanians live in the South,
Serbs to the North. In an effort to contain the violence in Mitrovica,
US General Wesley Clark, the supreme NATO commander, has asked for 2,000
more soldiers. France, Britain, and Belgium said they are willing to
provide additional troops. But Secretary of State Albright said the
US Is waiting for the Europeans to act first.
MADELEINE
ALBRIGHT: The United States has the largest number of troops in the
area, so we do believe -- or in Kosovo as a whole -- that we are definitely
doing our part. But I don't exclude the fact that there may have to
be some Americans. But I think in the first instance, we are looking
to others to plus-up their forces.
RAY SUAREZ: US officials also have asked the Europeans to push ahead
more quickly in establishing an international police force. A force
that would take on more of the load of maintaining order in the few
places left in Kosovo where Serbs and Albanians live together.
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Kuchner
briefs the UN
Security Council
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RAY
SUAREZ: Joining us are Bernard Kouchner, special representative of the
UN Secretary-General, and head of the UN administration in Kosovo; and
KFOR commander General Klaus Reinhardt.
Gentlemen, welcome to the program. I understand that you both briefed
the Security Council on the situation in Kosovo. Mr. Kouchner, let's
begin with you. What did you have to tell the representatives about
the situation in the province?
BERNARD
KOUCHNER: Well, it was the first time that a civilian and a military
involved person were together. I have to tell them that despite of some
very important incidents, things were getting better. Security, building
administration, opening of the schools, all the schools, 90% of the
persons are going to school, of the children -- universities, bank system,
rebuilding, et cetera. But, of course, we needed and it was my main
concern to be backed by the Security Council, to be supported politically
and of course in terms of means. So we addressed them a question about
the elections. This year local election, it was the answer. About the
missing persons, this is very important to rebuild or build tolerance
in Kosovo, that we need absolutely news from missing person. They agreed,
the Security Council agrees about sort of special envoy on this issue
-- and about the backing I offer them to come to Kosovo, to the Security
Council meeting in Kosovo, not all of them but some of them coming to
us and discovering with us the reality. It has been agreed.
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Reinhardt at the UN Security Council |
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RAY SUAREZ: And, General Reinhardt, what could you tell the Security
Council about the military situation?
GEN.
KLAUS REINHARDT: I told them basically two things. The most important
one I think is how closely we work together between the military and
UNMEC... I had my experiences in Somalia in UNPROFOR, in IFOR and SFOR,
the two halves of one element never worked so closely together as Bernard
Kouchner and myself, and I think this is a very positive sign. On the
other hand, I told them about the major feature of my KFOR troops are
responsible for the security, which has been improved considerably over
the last nine months. We're down to four to three murders per week for
about two million inhabitants. That's not so bad. We have reduced kidnapping
almost entirely. We reduced crime as far as looting and arson is concerned,
but we still have spikes like we just had in Mitrovica, which are highly
concerned for me, which we have to fight against. But basically the
key problem we have to deal with is a mental attitude of two ethnic
groups, the Albanians on one side and the Serbs on the other side, who
are an antagonistic group full of animosity, of fear for revenge, of
hatred, which cannot be taken away by soldiers being on the ground in
that short period of time. After what both groups have done to each
other, it takes a longer time. We have to look in longer time frames
than just a couple of months. And, therefore, we'll have to stay there
for quite a while.
RAY
SUAREZ: If there are still elements of both groups who are willing,
who want to attack each other, are soldiers really able to do this job
long term, or are you making progress on having a regular conventional
police force drawn from the local population to either assist you or
to take over many of these duties?
GEN. KLAUS REINHARDT: Well, there's a mixture. I mean, the soldiers
on the one hand are doing their job, and by their sheer presence, by
running 750 patrols a day, about 500 checkpoints a day, by about 5,000
soldiers being just out to support the minorities, we do a great job.
In addition to that, we have the ANMIC police officers. We still miss
about 3,000. We have to substitute for them. At the same time, Bernard
Kouchner is building up a Kosovo police force. We have a Kosovo police
academy. We have the second group, which just graduated. All of that
together forms the security forces so we haven't matched our goal yet,
but I think we all try very hard to do the utmost possible in that country.
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RAY SUAREZ: Well, Mr. Kouchner, if the General's forces detain someone
or an officer in the new police department arrests someone, do you have
courts yet? Do you have the framework of a civil administration now?
BERNARD
KOUCHNER: Framework of a civil administration, yes. Good judiciary system,
unfortunately not. We named close to 400 judges, prosecutors, lay judges.
But in Kosovo they are not confident with justice. First, nobody is
complaining. Nobody is addressing the prosecutor or the lawyers or the
judges. How does this kind of confidence for years and years? They were
oppressed. They have no tradition on complaining and going to justice
and to court. Second, unfortunately, they all remain partial on both
sides, either the Serbs or the Albanians. So we have to deal with an
international justice backing the Kosovo system of the judiciary system.
This is another offer to the international community: We need judges,
international judges and prosecutors. Unfortunately for the moment we
did our best but it is not functioning enough. But please, don't forget
that only eight months, only we were in charge since eight months. We
are in charge just for the beginning of the peace process. The peace
process used to take years and years, and the time of building confidence,
rebuilding an administration, changing the behavioral of the people
is not a majestic time. It is not fitting with the impatience. People
are in a hurry. They are in a hurry to consider our result. We are also
in a hurry. But remember Beirut, remember Lebanon, remember Salvador,
remember Vietnam, remember Ireland -- it takes time. Give time a chance
to build peace.
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Keeping
the peace in Kosovo |
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RAY SUAREZ: Do you think you were fully aware of the level of hostility
between these groups? Are there elements of the framework that you had
gone there to implement that perhaps looked about right last year but
look too optimistic now?
BERNARD
KOUCHNER: Well, I remain optimistic, but you are right. The international
community came to protect the Albanians against ethnic cleansing. And
we discovered that hidden by this minority other minorities like the
Serbs, the Turkish, the Bosnians, the Arabs must be protected. We have
to protect them. This is our duty, and we were not prepared enough to
this particular task, to this particular goal, to this particular duty.
You are right. But now we are completely concerned by this mission.
Of course it drives us to this very difficult task of rebuilding confidence.
The Serbs must be backed in their, let's say, the rest of the confidence.
We don't want to expel them. On the contrary, we have to protect them,
to ask them to come back. And on the other hand, on the other side,
we need to light up the future for all the Albanians of Kosovo. And
this is what we address to the Security Council. Another concern about
starting political -- because as we are going on the election, it will
be a good time to ask the Albanians, all the minorities in Kosovo, with
us to start discussing the status of protection of the minorities. What
is a minority? What should be done on protection of minorities?
RAY
SUAREZ: Do you have the proper tools in place from the United Nations
to know what you are guiding this province to, what form of relationship
with Belgrade, what kind of local administration -- will you have local
people in place running the day-to-day affairs of Kosovo soon?
BERNARD KOUCHNER: Yes. It was very useful for these purposes -- running
Kosovo with a joint administration, which started three to four months
ago. First, in getting together the Albanian leaders. Then we are waiting
for the Serbs. I hope they will come. When? I don't know. They told
us that they were coming. We are waiting for the Serbs. But, second
the relationship with Belgrade -- we are having a high level of meetings
with the Belgrade representative, Mr. Vukitovic, in Kosovo. We are meeting
him or his people twice a week, several times. I phoned him on Friday
about this issue of a working group on the, let's say, our common purposes.
I'm not dealing directly with Belgrade, but there is a special envoy
and a group of people who we are dealing with.
RAY SUAREZ: General Reinhardt, do you have the tools that you need
for the job, day-to-day? Are you able to have most of the province be
a safe place to do business, to go to work, to go to school?
GEN.
KLAUS REINHARDT: Well, I think basically I have what I need. I have
about 31,000 NATO troops and about 7,700 non-NATO troops at my disposal.
I can engage them where I see fit. We have to constantly readjust the
forces and their disposition to the situation, as we see fit. It might
be that on the long run, we have to change a little bit the composition
of the forces but basically yes I'm happy with what I have today.
RAY SUAREZ: General Reinhardt, Bernard Kouchner, thank you both.
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