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GOODBYE, ELIAN

June 28, 2000
Going Home

Elian Gonzalez returns to Cuba after the Supreme Court turns down a last-minute appeal to keep him in the U.S. Three experts discuss the boy's future and the case's legal precedents.

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Online Special: The Elian Gonzalez Case.

June 1, 2000:
The INS and Elian's Miami family's lawyer comment on an appeals court ruling.

May 11, 2000:
Appeals court hears arguments questioning the INS's decision to dismiss Elian Gonzalez's asylum application.

April 26, 2000:
A roundtable discussion on the editorial and op-ed coverage of the Elian Gonzalez.

April 24, 2000:
The Attorney General and members of Congress discuss Elian's retrieval

April 20, 2000:
Examining the legalities surrounding the custody battle over Elian Gonzalez.

April 7, 2000:
Roger Bernstein, one of the lawyers representing Elian Gonzalez's U.S. relatives in Miami, on the case.

April 6, 2000:
The turns in the Elian Gonzalez case since Elian's father's arrival in the U.S. today.

March 31, 2000:
Congress considers granting Elian U.S. residency.

March 30, 2000:
The war of words over Elian

Jan. 25, 2000:
Congress gets involved over the fight for Elian

Jan. 5, 2000:
Who gets guardianship of Elian Gonzalez?

Jan. 5, 1999:
Secretary of State Albright discusses Cuba

 

 

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Ray SuarezRAY SUAREZ: On Elian Gonzalez' last day in the United States, Americans saw him once again, playing at a distance. But today his father and legal advisors weren't waiting for something to happen, but for something not to happen. The Supreme Court had been asked by the boy's family members in Miami to extend the expiring court order keeping Juan Miguel and Elian Gonzalez in the United States. The high court refused to act. In Miami, there was disaffection and dismay as the final hours of the restraining order, set to end at 4:00pm Eastern Time, ticked away. A few protesters milled around the now-famous house in Miami where Elian lived with his great uncle, Lazaro Gonzalez and family. Today in Washington at his news conference, President Clinton said that if Juan Miguel Gonzalez had decided to stay in America with his son, it would have been fine with him.

President ClintonPRESIDENT CLINTON: But I think that the most important thing is that his father was adjudged by people who made an honest effort to determine that he was a good father, a loving father, committed to the son's welfare. And we upheld here what I think is a quite important principle, as well as what is clearly the law of the United States. Do I wish it had unfolded in a less dramatic, less traumatic way for all concerned? Of course, I do. I have replayed this in my mind many times. I don't know that we had many different options than we pursued, given how the thing developed. But I think the fundamental principle is the right one, and I am glad we did.

Taking flight

RAY SUAREZ: As the family made its final preparations to leave the country from Dulles International Airport in Northern Virginia, 4:00 Eastern Time passed-Juan Miguel Gonzalez was free to leave with his son.

Juan Miguel GonzalezJUAN MIGUEL GONZALEZ: (Translated) I would like to thank the North American people for the support they have given us and to the U.S. Government. I think that this has allowed me to meet very beautiful and intelligent people in this country, and I hope that in the future this same friendship and this same impression that I have of the U.S. people, that the same thing can become true between both our countries, Cuba and the U.S. I am very grateful for the support I have received. I am extremely happy of being able to go back to my homeland, and I don't have words really to express what I feel.

The Gonzalez'sJUAN MIGUEL GONZALEZ: We are very happy to be going home. Thank you.

RAY SUAREZ: And after that brief and conciliatory statement, Gonzalez boarded the aircraft, waved good-bye, and after seven months since he was fished from the waters off Florida, Elian Gonzalez was gone. A short time later, a spokesman for the Lazaro Gonzalez family spoke from Miami.

ARMANDO GUTIERREZ, Family Spokesman: Elian's arrival and the subsequent fight for his life was like a wake-up call for the Cubans in Miami. Many had become complacent with our lives in the United States of America. Young and old, rich and poor, so many have forgotten the crisis in our country that brought us to this country. Elian's mother brought him to this great country seeking the promise of our Statute of Liberty. She and her son were among the huddled masses yearning to breathe free. How tragic that unlike the immigration of so many Americans, myself included, Elian Gonzalez cannot yet be free. Lazaro Gonzalez wants everyone to know that the family will still fight for Elian to be free regardless of where he's at.

A panel discussion

RAY SUAREZ: For perspective on the Elian Gonzalez story, we turn now to Maria de Los Angeles Torres, an associate professor of political science at DePaul University. She is the author of "In the Land of Mirrors: Cuban Exile Politics in the United States." Juan Gonzalez, a columnist for The New York Daily News. He is also the author of the book "Harvest of Empire: A History of Latinos in America." And Charles Lane, an editorial writer for The Washington Post.
Juan Gonzalez, how did it happen that this particular unaccompanied minor, this particular story in this particular year became such a big deal?

Juan GonzalezJUAN GONZALEZ, Daily News: Well, I think, Ray, the big problem we have in America today and still among our self-s in the mass media is a problem that we turn some of these human tragedies into soap opera news spectacles more to sometimes entertain the American people than to really educate them. I think that this was another example, whether you can go from O.J., to Monica and now it's Elian. I think that the reality was that in an election year, the arrival of Elian on Thanksgiving Day touched off a debate not only about family values that the American people hold dear versus the continuing fight of the Cold War against Castro, but it also raised issues in terms of how our country continues to regard Cuba very differently even from other socialist countries like China or Vietnam or Korea and why that is. I think all of these things came to the fore in this election year.

RAY SUAREZ: Maria Torres, one, you heard suggest that there was some media obsession here, but weren't there also compelling issues at the core that kept this in the spotlight?

Maria de Los Angeles TorresMARIA DE LOS ANGELES TORRES, DePaul University: Clearly, I mean, I think this one child became the life raft only for a sinking state in Cuba, very desperate politics here in Miami as we watch in a certain sense Cuba become chic and for presidential hopefuls from Al Gore to George Bush, who had to make statements about this child. I think for Cuban exiles, wrongly placed but nonetheless very important issues, were placed through this child that are still very important. There are human rights violations in Cuba. There is one man who has been in power for over 40 years. I think there's a frustration that found its place in this one child, and these are issues that are not going to go away because Elian is with his father.

RAY SUAREZ: Charles Lane, were there points during the seven-month trajectory of this story that you found yourself scratching your head or did it make perfect sense?

CHARLES LANE, Washington Post: Well, I think the issues, as the others have said, were very real and very stark. What seemed to happen as the media fed on this was that all sorts of ancillary narratives started to emerge. The story of the fisherman, the story of Maryslesis going to the hospital, all sorts of side shows spun off from this just as they did in some of the other stories that were mentioned, O.J., and Monica. But if we can now in retrospect strip all of those kind of - as you say -- head-scratching kind of side shows away, I do think that there were very powerful and legitimate issues that were at the core of this thing.

Raising undercovered issues?

RAY SUAREZ: Well, at various points during this panel, you could have heard nuanced, thoughtful conversations about the right of parents to children, about international custody cases, a lot of issues that often don't get covered in the national press. Professor Torres?

MARIA DE LOS ANGELES TORRES: Right. I mean, I think one of the interesting things about Elian Gonzalez has been that we are starting to think about children's emotional rights, not so much parental or for that matter INS or federal. That's how it's played out in the courts. But for Elian I think many people felt that it was important for us to keep in mind what he needed as a child. This is something that we don't have in American law or, for that matter, in law in almost any country in the world. We have a charter at the United Nations that indeed is not signed by the United States, and it's clearly violated by the Cuban state. And I think these are the issues that would be important for us to take a look at as we continue to really think about what happened in the last seven months.

Suarez and GonzalezRAY SUAREZ: So, Juan Gonzalez, does this serious confrontation with the various issues raised by this story continue or does it just dissolve, unravel, now that the child is gone?

JUAN GONZALEZ: It's clear that two things have happened. One, I don't quite agree on this issue that this has unmasked a need to deal with the rights of children because for instance there are thousands of Mexican children who have been deported by themselves back to Mexico without any of the furor raised around Elian. Similar things have happened with Haitian children in the past and other communities have experienced similar tragedies. Juan GonzalezThe problem with Elian of course is it was mixed so much with the politics of the United States toward Cuba and also the boy himself was so attractive to the media as his personality and his charisma. But I think that in terms of what this means for the future, clearly we can already see how Congress is beginning to take a much closer look at our relationship to Cuba in light of the fact that the calls that I have gotten from readers, are many Americans are angry about what they perceive to be special treatment. I mean it took seven months to decide a case that should have been decided in the first month or two. I think that many Americans felt that there was almost... that the sight of the Attorney General of the United States going to Miami to attempt to negotiate something, it was an embarrassment that the attorney general would have to do this in this particular case. So I think Americans reacted against this and now there's going to be more of an openness to look at our government's policy toward Cuba, which is widely condemned by most of the countries in the world.

RAY SUAREZ: Charles Lane, do you agree?

CHARLES LANE: Well, I agree but I would put it slightly differently. I think the Cuban exile community in Miami, its leadership and indeed the family itself, overplayed their hand or misplayed their hand in terms of public perception. They appeared strident. They appeared to be in defiance of the law - and, indeed, common-sense notions about who should have custody over a child if one parent dies. They seemed to be talking past the American public, as this thing went along. So as a result at the end, they have become politically more isolated than they have ever been before. I agree with what Mr. Gonzalez just said, that in Congress we're already seeing that their clout has been somewhat reduced although far from eliminated. I think it's worth noting that the president at his press conference also kind of went out of his way to pound his fist on the podium there and add some condemnation of Fidel Castro to dispel some of the rumors that are there in the Cuban community during this election year that the Clinton-Gore administration is about to soften up the U.S. hard line on Cuba.

RAY SUAREZ: Professor Torres, you've been writing about this community for many years. Did they, as Charles Lane suggests, overplay their hand?

Maria de Los Angeles TorresMARIA DE LOS ANGELES TORRES: Absolutely. I think that it was misplaced in this one child because in a certain sense this is a community that was founded by many parents who sent their children through the Operation Peter Pan for instance and it was about being able to exercise your political will. This was one case where there were... at least one parent who was alive who was saying he wanted his child back. I think that this has been a blow to, if you will, the integrity of political organizations. On the other hand, I think that a lot of good questions are being raised about not only the political leadership but the strategies that have been used and indeed our place as a community in this-- and indeed our place as a community in the United States. I would say there's a lot of discussion about how INS has become the great equalizer, if you will, for Cubans. I'd like to think that we should advocate not that everyone else... that we should be treated like everyone else but indeed that other immigrants should be treated with the respect that Cuban exiles have had in the past.

RAY SUAREZ: Does it take away a certain aura of invincibility that this community may have had, that they win a lot of these political confrontations?

Maria de Los Angeles TorresMARIA DE LOS ANGELES TORRES: Well, you know, we have and we haven't, Ray, because if you look at 40 years, there's times when Cuban exiles did win and that's when we fulfilled a certain symbolic need for American foreign policy and at other times when we ran against the current of American foreign policy, we were demonized. So if you take that kind of perspective, I think it's trying to think that we need to develop an agenda that is independent both of the Cuban government and the U.S. Government and that responds to a plurality of voices in this community.

RAY SUAREZ: Juan Gonzalez, does it become harder to view the Latino community in the United States, 30-plus million strong, in monolithic terms now because of the splits that showed up during this controversy?

Juan GonzalezJUAN GONZALEZ: Certainly. I think that there were some Cuban-Americans, journalists as well as community leaders, who felt to some degree betrayed because they did not see the degree of support among Mexican leaders or Puerto Rican leaders around this issue as they had seen on other issues in the past. But I think there is a reality that there are differences between the communities that many Mexican-Americans as well as Dominicans and others feel that this relative advantage that Cuban-Americans have enjoyed as being refugees who get particular benefits from thee federal government by their very status as refugees when others like the Salvadorans and the Guatemalans who came here in the '80s or the Dominicans who came here in the '60s never got that kind of regard; that these animosities that have been there and came to the surface and crystallized with the Elian case. That doesn't mean that there aren't many issues on which all Latinos agree but there are sharp differences between the different ethnic groups within the Latino population of the United States.

A different Cuba?

RAY SUAREZ: Now, here in Washington, Charles Lane, do policy-makers have to reckon with a different Cuba in the American mind than they did seven months ago?

CHARLES LANE: I think one of the things Fidel Castro achieved for himself in this affair was not to normalize relations between the United States and Cuba, as such. But to normalize Cuba in the public perception in the United States, that is to say, he managed this story very skillfully and turned it into a story about how down in Cuba, we have families just like you have in the United States. We have fathers and sons and loving fathers and decent families and the rest. And that story line, I think, managed to dominate the coverage. And, in that sense I think he made great inroads in-- fairly or not by the way because as one of the other guests has quite rightly pointed out, there are tremendous abuses of human rights in Cuba-- but for better or worse, he has I think made inroads in the public perception in the United States of what life in Cuba is like. And I think he has changed the story line, if you like, and therefore, I think, laid the basis as we've already seen in Congress for different policy approaches. He's made it... somehow this case I wouldn't want to say Mr. Castro but this case has made it politically a little bit less expensive for people to advocate changes in the embargo and the rest.

Suarez and GonzalezRAY SUAREZ: To the extent that there may be real movement on this issue in the short term?

CHARLES LANE: Well, look, we've already seen what's happened in the House. The entire House Republican leadership was lined up against this bill to lift the ban on food and medicine sales to Cuba, and nevertheless couldn't impose its will, had to compromise on that. It's very difficult to forecast anything, much more happening before we know who the next President and the next Congress are going to be. Clearly George Bush has a different view. Al Gore, as we've already seen, he's maintained at least in the Elian case a more pro-Cuban exile position than President Clinton. Of course, that could be modified after the election. But, you know, for all that, it is clear that some kind of invulnerability as you put it of the Cuban exile community politically in Washington has been punctured. That could lead to other changes as well.

RAY SUAREZ: Panel, thank you all for being with us.


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