JUDY WOODRUFF: So what are American officials telling you?
What are their expectations? How well do they think the Iraqis are going to do?
JANE ARRAF: It really depends where you are. In places like Baghdad, where security
really has improved quite dramatically, unless there's something that sparks
renewed sectarian violence -- for instance, retaliatory attacks -- then they
think they'll probably be OK here.
In places like Mosul
and Diyala, it's a different story. And in Mosul,
even though Prime Minister Maliki has been very strenuous in saying no
extension for U.S. troops in
Mosul, they are
actually being allowed to keep some of their bases. They're turning them into
joint security stations, but it means that they keep a presence in the city.
And that's important, because that's the way that they
manage to maintain security and improve security in Baghdad, for instance, by putting those
troops directly in the city. So it really does depend on what kind of fight
they're fighting.
Again, in Mosul,
the police are a problem, so they're trying to figure that out, in a country
where, although they rapidly increased the security forces' quality and
professionalism, they don't have the money to expand them any further. So
that's another problem they're looking at.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Jane, what about the Iraqi officials?
What are they saying? How confident are they that this is going to work?
JANE ARRAF: That's a really mixed bag. If you talk to
defense officials, the senior officials, they're completely on board and they
say, "It's all fine. We're ready for this." They're ready for it
partly because they're still getting a lot of U.S. help.
I think there's a misconception that a lot is going to
change starting tomorrow. And in practical terms, it's not really. In symbolic
terms, it's huge. It really is a huge milestone for Iraqis and their sense of
national sovereignty.
But on the ground, really, the Americans are going to
continue to provide logistical help, a lot of intelligence help, medical
evacuation, all of those things that the Iraqis can't do for themselves,
including air support. So, really, they are getting a lot of support. And that's
a comfort to Iraqi officials.
But in places, for instance, again, like Mosul,
which is Iraq's
second-biggest city and perhaps the most volatile, people like the mayor are
saying, "We're not ready yet. Don't take those forces away." That
decision has been made, and everyone is living with it, and everyone is trying
to make the best of it, essentially.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Interesting. Jane, you've been, as we said,
in and out of Iraq
since the early 1990s. How would you describe overall circumstances there now compared
to other times you've been there?
JANE ARRAF: Precarious, I suppose. As you know, Judy, in
Saddam Hussein's time, things were not very rosy, either, but people basically
had a tradeoff.
They had a bizarre, strange sort of security, because the
bargain they made -- bargain that many Iraqis made is that, if they didn't
engage in politics, if they don't really demand very much, if they didn't want
any freedom, they were kind of OK. Now that's all been turned upside down.
And when people go out their door in some places in the
morning, they still tell you they don't know whether they'll come back at
night. There are still daily attacks. So it is very fragile. It's very
precarious.
But now that security has improved a bit, people are turning
their eye to the other big problems: unemployment, lack of electricity, lack of
a future, which means that there's still something like 2 million Iraqis who
aren't coming back yet. So this is a country that is getting on its feet, but
still a bit shaky.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Jane Arraf, reporting for us from Baghdad on the day U.S. troops begin to pull back,
thanks, Jane.
JANE ARRAF: Thank you, Judy.