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| A POSSIBLE BREAKTHROUGH | |
January 15, 1996 |
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After terrorist attacks, a shooting incident by a Jewish solider and months of negotiations, a final deal on the Israeli withdrawal from Hebron appears imminent. After a background report, Jim Lehrer leads a discussion regarding the Hebron deal. |
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JIM LEHRER: Now the official Palestinian and Israeli views of this agreement. They come from Sholomo Gur, deputy chief of mission of the Israeli embassy in Washington and Hasan Abdel Rahman, chief representative of the Palestine Liberation Organization in Washington. Mr. Gur, is this agreement good for Israel?
JIM LEHRER: Mr. Rahman, would you agree that that's the most important factor in this, that the Netanyahu government has made a deal at all?
JIM LEHRER: Would you agree with Mr. Gur that that is the most significant part of this? HASAN ABDEL RAHMAN: It is significant that the Israeli government signed onto the Oslo accords because without the Oslo accords we do not have a peace process.
SHLOMO GUR: Tomorrow we're going to have a debate in the Knesset and a vote in the Knesset, and I think that the response of the vote will show the massive support that the agreement has within the Israeli public because if previously it was alleged that it was the Labor Party and the left wing parties that was supporting the peace process, and anything on the right of the center was opposing it. I think now under the Likud government, you have first of all the left support of this agreement, and the Likud which is the right of the center, a major party, is joining, is joining this forces who are supporting peace; therefore, you have a vast majority of the Israeli population which supports the peace process. Of course, you will have an extreme element in both sides, in Israel, and on the Palestinian side, who will try to derail this process, and it will be the role of the Israeli government, as well as the role of the Palestinian Authority, to fight those elements and eradicate them in order to ensure that the same majority will enjoy the fruits of the peace.
HASAN ABDEL RAHMAN, Palestine Liberation Organization: I think it has an overwhelming support among the majority of the Palestinians. Of course, there's opposition to the agreement, which is natural and sometimes even necessary, but the overwhelming majority of the Palestinian public support the agreement. We have--we just concluded--our cabinet just concluded a meeting that lasted for six hours where the agreement was debated. It was approved. There was some people who reserved themselves on the agreement but ultimately it was approved. Now, again, as I said, we need really to move on the implementation because the implementation of this accord, what gives significance to the accord. JIM LEHRER: What is the most significant part of the implementation? What are you most worried about when you say we must forward on the implementation?
JIM LEHRER: That's outside of Hebron. HASAN ABDEL RAHMAN: Outside of Hebron. Hebron we know, and the agreement on Hebron was concluded about a week ago. That was not really the most important part. JIM LEHRER: It's called the Hebron agreement. HASAN ABDEL RAHMAN: Yes. JIM LEHRER: But that was-- HASAN ABDEL RAHMAN: Yes, but the other elements of the agreement that are going to be negotiated concurrently, such as the safe passage between the West Bank and Gaza, this is an extremely important issue. JIM LEHRER: Why? HASAN ABDEL RAHMAN: Because it connects Gaza and the West Bank together At this point they are separated, and it is very, very-- JIM LEHRER: These are the two Palestinian areas -- HASAN ABDEL RAHMAN: Are two components of the Palestinian territories and without free access and free trade and free movement of people it really dissects the Palestinian National territorial integrity. JIM LEHRER: So from the Palestinian point of view you want to make sure--you're waiting to see if Israel actually is going to do that? HASAN ABDEL RAHMAN: Absolutely. It is extremely important. And that's why we believe that the signature of the United States and the involvement of the United States and the guarantee by the United States of those accords gives those accords importance. JIM LEHRER: Mr. Gur, does Mr. Rahman--is Mr. Rahman justified in having some concern about that particular element, connecting the Gaza to the West Bank?
JIM LEHRER: That would be your counterpart to Mr. Rahman's concern about the Israeli, I mean, about the Palestinians, that they honor their commitments, and what is the most important one that you are concerned about, the one you just mentioned? SHLOMO GUR: Those and as well as the important question of the regions from where the Palestinian Authority will operate, which has to be within the Palestinian Authority and not in other areas which are not part of the Palestinian Authority, mainly in Jerusalem.
HASAN ABDEL RAHMAN: Absolutely. On the contrary, we are eager to have in this Israeli government a partner as we did with the previous Israeli government. We were seeking this partnership, and I believe that the only way to achieve peace is when we approach both peace with the spirit of partnership, and that this is not a zero sum game, that both parties will benefit from this peace process. And I believe that, I hope that this agreement will mark the beginning of this change of mind and heart by the Israeli government to perceive the Palestinians as their partners in this peace process. JIM LEHRER: Many people said going into this that there is no way that Arafat and Netanyahu were ever going to make a deal about anything. Is this a new world here, a new world order?
JIM LEHRER: Mr. Gur, how would you assess the Netanyahu-Arafat deal, arrangement, relationship? SHLOMO GUR: I think that a relationship, a partnership is being developed which is crucial and essential, for moving forward the process, and I think that what was proven now, that all those allegations about a new Israeli government, when it was elected, has to be withdrawn and now work in all parties--we, the Palestinians, the other partners to the peace process, as well as the other countries in the region have not worked in cooperation and close cooperation in order to create the environment which will--which will be able to induce this kind of peaceful relationship in the future. JIM LEHRER: Mr. Gur, I want to pick up on a point that Mr. Rahman made a moment ago, which is the United States' involvement in this. How important is the United States' role in this peace process right now?
JIM LEHRER: Would you use the same word, "critical"? HASAN ABDEL RAHMAN: Absolutely. In fact, the Palestinian cabinet issued a statement thanking President Clinton for his support for the process and his involvement and for the American team led by Dennis Ross for the positive role without which probably the settlement could have not been reached, and to Egypt for its positive role, and for King Hussein also and for-- JIM LEHRER: King Hussein got involved here in the last couple of days.
JIM LEHRER: For those of us on the outside, to you, Mr. Rahman, first, and then Mr. Gur, what should we look for in the next few days as a kind of a sign post to whether or not this is going to work? HASAN ABDEL RAHMAN: Well, start first by the redeployment out of Hebron. JIM LEHRER: Physically, the Israeli troops start to leave. HASAN ABDEL RAHMAN: And transfer authority to the Palestinian Authority and to the Palestinian police. JIM LEHRER: From the Israeli point of view what should be looked for, Mr. Gur?
JIM LEHRER: Gentlemen, thank you both very much. |
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