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Israeli soldiers began forcibly removing Israeli settlers from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank on Wednesday. An Israeli military general discusses the eviction process.
Background |
| GWEN
IFILL: Today was the first day Israeli soldiers began physically evicting Jewish
settlers from Gaza. We begin with two Independent Television News reports from
the area. Lindsey Hilsum is in the settlement of Neve Dekalim.
WOMAN: It doesn't mean that Israeli lost; this means that we lost the struggle. I mean, I always believed that we did everything; we tried to do everything to stay in our homes. We did what we could do. LINDSEY HILSUM: Often the children struggled more than the adults. They had been told that God he said they should live in Neve Dekalim. The concept of the symbolic protest means little to them. The hordes of teenagers who invaded here burned barricades and did their best to hold back the government forces. Many were arrested. They're unarmed. Singing
and dancing is another tactic; nerves were very frayed. Today they were less than
enthusiastic about being filmed. The police and army had been told not to argue
with the kids but just to act when the order comes. So they get thrusted kicking
and screaming on to the buses which had been specially reinforced. In the chaos,
families were split WOMAN: they put her on the bus; they picked her up and put her on the bus. LINDSEY HILSUM: And acts of despair; one family set fire to their own house as they left. The neighbor looked on, no question now this is the end of Neve Dekalim. By this evening most of those that avoided eviction had gathered in the main synagogue; they will stay here as long as they can. It could be late tonight or maybe not until tomorrow but in the end the soldiers will come and they, too, will be forced to leave. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| GWEN IFILL: Now Jonathan Miller reports on the reaction in the area to today's evacuations. JONATHAN
MILLER: Unilateral disengagement from 21 Jewish settler communities in Gaza and
from four in what the Israelis call northern Samaria and the rest of the world
knows as the West Bank, the remaining 116 settlements there, unaffected by today's
evacuations elsewhere. The pictures are heartbreaking. The architect of withdrawal
said today: "They're tearing my soul." Ariel Sharon: I want to ask everyone not to attack the policemen and the soldiers and not to blame them or make it hard for them. I do not want them harmed or attacked. I am responsible. Attack me, blame me. They are under enough stress. JONATHAN MILLER: He's gambled that the pullout will make Israel safer and most Israelis support him. Across in what will soon be Free Gaza, celebrations among the 1.4 million Palestinians crammed into this suffocating ghetto, over the settlers' departure, or surrender, as they like to cast it here. In neighboring Lebanon, a Hamas leader popped up, talking tough. Khalel Mashaal: What's happening today is an important achievement. It's the first real withdrawal from the Palestinian territories. It is the beginning of the dismantling of the settlement project of the Zionist enemy. JONATHAN MILLER: Ordinary Palestinians in Gaza smelling victory, too, and an expectation-- now the appetite's whet-- that further bold moves from Israel will follow. "This land does not belong to them," this Palestinian refugee says. "It is our land, the land of Islam, the land of the Palestinian people."
Another ambulance was scrambled today for a Jewish settler, a 54-year-old woman who'd set herself on fire in protest at the Gaza pullout; life- threatening burns over 70 percent of her body. She'd been carrying a sign reading, "Destroy disengagement. Put Sharon before a military court." |
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| Discussing the eviction process | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| GWEN IFILL: Margaret Warner has more on the eviction process under way. MARGARET WARNER: For insight
into how the Israel defense force- Gen. Herzog, welcome. BRIG. GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: Good evening. MARGARET WARNER: Is this the level of resistance you expected? BRIG. GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: Well, until now I think it's less than what was expected; the fear was that would see much more physical violence on the ground. Until now I understand that the overwhelming majority of the settlers decided not to resist violently, not to use physical violence. There are verbal - there's verbal violence; there's some minor physical incidents on the ground but not at the level that was feared and expected. I also point out that the hard core settlements are still ahead of us, and once the forces will get there it might be tougher than what we've seen until now. MARGARET WARNER: Than what we've just seen. How did the IDF get ready for this? BRIG. GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: Well, the first element was to amass enough forces. The IDF and the Israeli police amassed over 40,000 troops on the ground, 42,000 troops on the ground plus a back-up force of 13,000; that's over 55,000 troops, it's a huge force, it's twice the size of the force that we used in order to conquer the West Bank cities during the height of the intifada to dismantle their infrastructure.
These forces were deployed on the ground in kind of six circles. The first is inside the settlement removing the settlers. The second circle is sealing off each settlement; the third is deployed on the roofs between settlements; the fourth on the border of the West Bank; fifth and sixth are supposed to respond to Palestinian terrorism.
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| Israeli soldiers and the settlers they faced | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| MARGARET WARNER: What are the rules of engagement that these soldiers are operating under? BRIG. GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: The soldiers who are operating inside the settlements, those who are evacuating the settlers are unarmed and under strict orders not to use violence unless violence is used against them. They can remove the people physically but not use violence against them. In order to use violence or let's say to use special measures that you need in order to deal with such a violent situation they need special authorization for senior officers and also special forces whose task is to deal with extreme situations like the use of firearms, explosives, like people besieging themselves in their own homes, threatening to set fire or to commit suicide acts and so on, so there are special forces ready for that eventuality.
BRIG. GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: I think it's very difficult for the soldiers. For one thing they have not been trained for this kind of a mission. MARGARET WARNER: They have not been trained for this? BRIG. GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: They have been trained to fight a war to, chase terrorists; they have not been trained evacuate people from their homes. Now, of course they were given specific training for this mission. But I don't think any training can really prepare you emotionally for the scenes we've just seen on the screen of people crying and saying you are taking me out of my home against my will, and so on and so forth. So it's going to be very difficult for those soldiers on the ground and I really don't envy them. MARGARET WARNER: How many soldiers refused to participate? We heard early on that lots of them might. BRIG. GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: Well, this was a source of concern; I can say I talked about 55,000 troops being involved. Until now we've had about 150 cases of refusal or people asking to be discharged of this mission. So I think given the size of the forces, the amount of the forces and the emotional stress that's involved in the debate in Israel itself, this is not a major problem. I don't expect that any unit will disintegrate because that have or that this will really undermine the mission. MARGARET WARNER: We heard settlers today essentially acknowledging they couldn't stop the eviction. If so, what do you understand their strategy to be? BRIG. GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: The initial strategy was to try to stop it by getting tens of thousands of people into the settlements to make it impossible to remove the settlers. They failed in that. MARGARET WARNER: Because you blocked that. BRIG. GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: Yeah. They then tried to block all the routes, the exit -- entry and exit routes into Gaza and out of Gaza; they failed in that, too. My feeling is that currently the major strategy of most of them is to traumatize the experience as much as possible; they know they can't stop it. They want to traumatize it so that any future government in Israel will think twice and three times before deciding about removing settlements. Some of them are fighting the next battle, the battle over the West Bank. |  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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MARGARET WARNER: Now the Palestinians so far, there's been no violence from them. Are you surprised by that and is the idea of working with the Palestinian Authority to try to control any outbreak like that?
MARGARET WARNER: And briefly how long will this operation take, the eviction? BRIG. GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: Originally it was planned up to four weeks. Now given the current pace over 50 percent of settlements and people have left, so I'd say could take as much as up to the end of next week. And then we have the settlements in the West Bank. MARGARET WARNER: And then the military is still going to dismantle the military infrastructure before you turn it over? BRIG. GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: The military will remain behind for about four to six weeks and destroy all the remaining infrastructure or remove it. MARGARET WARNER: All right. Gen. Herzog, thank you so much. BRIG. GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: Thank you. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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LINDSEY
HILSUM: The protesters kept going through the night, fueled by adrenaline, anger
and determination to resist the inevitable. They were getting organized, doing
everything they could to prevent the security forces from getting into Neve Dekalim.
But midnight was the deadline, and burning barricades were not going to stop the
Israeli defense force and police from carrying out their orders. The police were
checking their maps, every house marked. They knew exactly which families had
left willingly and which would have to be dragged out. Removal teams gathered
outside settler houses ready to force their way in if necessary. They brought
up buses to take the people away. No one was spared. Families who had been holed
up inside now had to go. Neither youth nor age mattered; the settlers were going
to be bundled away in a bus to a new life that none of them want. 
up.
But
because the question of whose land this is, is far from settled, fears tonight
of a backlash from right wing Israelis. This afternoon, a West Bank settler opened
fire, killing three Palestinians and drawing threats of retaliation from Palestinian
militants. 
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or IDF-- is going about evicting the settlers, and the challenges ahead, we turn
to Israeli Brig. Gen. Michael Herzog. Until last July, he was a top aide to Israel's
defense minister. And before that, he was head of the IDF's Strategic Planning
Division. He's currently on leave as a visiting fellow at the Washington Institute
for Near East Policy. 
Now,
this force is tasked with removing the settlers, stopping disengagement opponents
for disrupting daily life and disrupting the process itself, attacking Palestinians
and so on, and responding to Palestinian terrorist activities should they occur
during disengagement. 
MARGARET
WARNER: We've seen some footage of soldiers actually crying as they were doing
this. How difficult is it for these soldiers? 
BRIG.
GEN. MICHAEL HERZOG: I'm not surprised. There is coordination to the IDF and Palestinian
forces. Currently, there are two joint operations; one is operating in the passages
in northern Gaza and southern Gaza. But I think for Palestinians they understand
that -- let's say the militant groups, they understand that if they do anything
now, they will be accused of delaying the Israeli pullout. They understand that
the majority of the Palestinian population doesn't want that right now. For their
own domestic consideration they decided to remain quiet and they are quiet. Having
said, that I would like to mention that over the next -- last 24 hours, a suicide
bombing attack was exposed near one of the Gaza settlements, Neve Dekalim, which
we have just seen, so I don't want to imagine what would happen if that would
materialize.