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October 7, 1997 |
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On October 6, Israel released the imprisoned and ailing founder of Hamas, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin. The move follows an alleged assassination attempt by Mossad agents an Hamas official in Jordan. Over the weekend, there were calls in the Israeli press for Prime Minister Netanyahu's resignation. Following a background report on recent events, Margaret Warner leads a debate between Dore Gold, Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, and Ehud Sprinzak, professor of political science at Hebrew University in Jerusalem. |
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MARGARET WARNER: Now for more we turn to Dore Gold, Israel's ambassador to the United Nations. Previously he served as Prime Minister Netanyahu's chief foreign policy adviser. And Ehud Sprinzak, professor of political science at Hebrew University in Jerusalem who's written extensively about terrorism in Israel, among other things. He's currently a senior fellow at the United States Institute of Peace in Washington. Professor was this assassination attempt a good idea as the prime minister said, the right thing for the right reason? |
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MARGARET WARNER: Mr. Ambassador, respond to the overall point, a terrible idea, poorly conceived.
Now we're not going into details about what exactly happened in Jordan, but we are enunciating a very clear principle: terrorists all over the world have no safe havens. In the 1970's, in 1972, 11 Israelis were killed in the Munich Olympics, and the Prime Minister Golda Meir knew what had to be done to protect the Israelis from more terrorism from black September. She took courageous decisions. Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin faced a spate of terrorist attacks from Hamas. He also had to take special actions sometimes overseas, sometimes in the areas around Israel, itself. Prime Minister Netanyahu is equal committed as his predecessors, Golda Meir and Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, to defend the people of Israel. We cannot be in a situation where we are repeatedly facing massive terrorist bombings in the heart of our cities, and we say we won't do anything. |
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EHUD SPRINZAK: I am talking about prudence not about morality. Not a single Israeli citizen is today better secured from Hamas than two weeks ago. On the contrary, it played right to the hands of the Hamas. The issue is not whether or not Israel has the right to do it but how you do it. Mr. Netanyahu is--in the 70's forgot that he is now the prime minister--he has to be very judicious. The last thing you want to do--as we've just seen. In addition, you don't want to create, to make yourself the laughing stock of the rest of the world. I don't think this is a good protection--enough to be emotionally--it's not enough to invoke what everybody feels--about terrorism. You have to be smart; you have to be prudent; and you have to think. And I'm afraid this was a shooting from the hip. It was not serious thinking. MARGARET WARNER: All right. Ambassador, respond to that point because it's one the Israeli press has used a lot. On the prudence test, on the competence test, that this operation failed--
MARGARET WARNER: Professor, the President you said--our President, President of the United States said yesterday and today--pointed out that the U.S. had given up assassination as a tool about 20 years ago, and the New York Times said today it was time for Israel to do the same. Do you agree with that point, or do you agree more with the ambassador that at times it is justified? EHUD SPRINZAK: I think there are indications that Israel has given up on the idea of assassinating, for example, leaders of Hezbollah. They've done--
EHUD SPRINZAK: The Shiite organization in Lebanon. They have done it not because Hezbollah is after the Hamas. They have done it because they have come to the conclusion that as a result of such assassinations you have more terrorism. Now, I am all for very intense struggle against terrorism but again I will have to insist it's about prudence. If you know that something may go wrong, and many things may go wrong, then you want to consider this. I will have to suggest to you that even if this person has been successfully assassinated, I'm still not sure what would have been the consequences because one way or another it is covered. Now the ambassador has mentioned Malta. Now Malta, with all due respect, is not Jordan. Jordan is the warmest of all our allies of Israel and perhaps the only one. You don't go and embarrass the king a mile from his palace. You just don't do it. And all this instinctive drive to be gung ho to fight the terrorists, to eliminate that, all this return to the Golda Meir decision in the 1970's is immaterial to the case. You have to consider what is at stake, and right now and in this case it's very clear it's been a major blunder. MARGARET WARNER: Mr. Ambassador, respond to something, if you would, that the professor said earlier, which was even if this had succeeded, it wasn't a good idea but, furthermore, because it failed, Israel is less secure. What do you think is the impact or the result, the fallout from this in terms of Israeli security?
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MARGARET WARNER: And you don't-- DORE GOLD: But to make the process work, to make an impaired peace process work, we cannot have buses blowing up in the heart of our cities and have Israel sitting back and doing nothing. We must take action that's necessary to defend our people in coordination with our allies around the world. MARGARET WARNER: What do you think this incident does, if anything, to the prospects for the peace process? EHUD SPRINZAK: First, I would like just to take a moment and to invoke a tragedy of the 1980's--the Pollard affair. For many Israelis this was a mishap-- MARGARET WARNER: This was a spy case in which--
MARGARET WARNER: All right. Let me just get the ambassador to respond on that point before we go. Briefly, do you think this has weakened the prime minister? DORE GOLD: I don't believe so. I think the people of Israel, as well as the people of the United States, understand that military mishaps can occur. What normally happens under reasonable circumstances is that the people of the country gather around the military leadership, support the political leadership when unfortunate incidents occur and don't start nitpicking and trying to analyze and second guess, or Sunday morning quarterback. Mishaps have occurred under previous prime ministers, mishaps have occurred under previous American presidents. What we have to do now is keep our strategic aim in mind. MARGARET WARNER: All right. DORE GOLD: That is, eliminate terrorism and put the peace process back on track. MARGARET WARNER: Mr. Ambassador, Professor, we have to leave it there. Thank you both very much. |
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