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JIM LEHRER: As Americans take to the road this Thanksgiving, they're going to find gas prices a lot higher than last year, and they could go higher still. Margaret Warner has that story. MARGARET WARNER: World oil prices surged to their highest level since
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Iraq has been allowed to sell a certain amount of oil in exchange for
food and medicine under a U.N.-
MARGARET WARNER: Even before this latest move, American consumers have been feeling the pinch of higher energy costs. The Labor Department reported last week the prices of gasoline and home heating oil have jumped nearly 31 percent this year. |
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MARGARET WARNER: For more on why prices are up, and what Iraq's latest move could mean, we're joined by Lawrence Goldstein, president of the Petroleum Industry Research Foundation, a non-profit group funded by oil companies that researches the energy market; and Geoffrey Kemp, director of regional strategic programs at the Nixon Center, a foreign policy research group in Washington. MARGARET WARNER: Mr. Goldstein, explain for us why even before Iraq's latest move we've seen oil and energy prices jump so dramatically this year.
MARGARET WARNER: So you're saying essentially that OPEC wanted to create much tighter supplies and they've had the discipline to succeed in doing that.
GEOFFREY KEMP, The Nixon Center: One of the reasons that Iraq did that, I think, is because they're fearful that a Dutch-British proposal that's being discussed by the Security Council now will in fact be adopted. This proposal will essentially eliminate sanctions, but Iraq will have to have inspectors back... MARGARET WARNER: Weapons inspectors. GEOFFREY KEMP: Weapons inspectors will have to |
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MARGARET WARNER: Now, if Iraq... if this move doesn't work, can Iraq afford to give up... They've been getting at least, what, about $7 billion worth of oil and medicine. It's not everything they want, but every six months or so. Can they afford to do without it? GEOFFREY KEMP: Of course they can for a certain period of time. Let's be clear about one thing, Margaret. Saddam and his entourage are not going to suffer come what may. They get as much money as they want. They get it from fraud, from the black market, from profiteering. So, in fact, if there is a slowdown in supply of food and medicines, actually that will probably help Saddam; similarly, with oil. So they're not going to hurt. The people that are going to hurt are the Iraqi people. And what Saddam is cynically hoping is that the plight of the Iraqi people will help him in his fights in the U.N. in New York and in the Arab world where he has a lot of support on humanitarian grounds.
LAWRENCE GOLDSTEIN: We believe that gasoline prices would have been rising in any case, because crude oil prices have gone up more at this moment than the change in street prices at the pump. So that regardless of what Saddam did, gasoline price were going to go up approximately another five cents a gallon. But I want to make it very clear, we don't believe that Saddam is serious. We have learned over time to believe very little that he says, and not to be surprised by almost anything that he tries to do. We believe he's posturing. The extension of the phase six for two weeks has given this moment to step back and try to leverage the market. We don't believe Iraqi oil will stay off the market for any reasonable period of time. And he has a free good on his hand. And this is very important to understand. There will be around seven humanitarian oil sale program agreed by the Security Council. That will set a dollar amount probably in the order of $5.2 billion. So by his withdrawing sales for the next two weeks, in no way costs him any money over the remainder of the six-month program because given any reasonable prices times the volume he could export, he will more than be able to exceed the $5.2 million. His actions yesterday come at no cost to him. MARGARET WARNER: Could this be a bluff, Geoff Kemp? I noticed that today on the wires there are some reports that maybe Iraq would accept a six-month rollover of the current program. Could he just be bluffing? GEOFFREY KEMP: Well, he's posturing certainly, and I agree he's not
going to be hurt in the short run. Furthermore, let's face it, Iraq
is not in a position, given its low level of production, to truly influence
the price of oil over time. That's Saudi Arabia's role. And I think
the Saudis and the Iranians and other members of OPEC MARGARET WARNER: In other words, you kill the goose that keeps laying the golden egg if you go too high. GEOFFREY KEMP: Exactly. And Saudi Arabia has enough locked in spare capacity if the Iraqis for whatever reason did decide the hold the oil back for a long, long period of time, it could be made up from other sources. |
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MARGARET WARNER: How do you think, Mr. Goldstein, OPEC would respond if Iraq sticks to its guns? LAWRENCE GOLDSTEIN: I think you have to realize that OPEC is not a
homogeneous entity. There are individuals who clearly would be pressured
by the United States to respond if in fact Iraq were to withdraw the
2.3 million barrels a day of exports from the market. Understand we're
moving into the peak MARGARET WARNER: How much, Geoff Kemp, do political considerations come into play here in terms of strategic in that region, in terms of what Saudi Arabia might choose to do? GEOFFREY KEMP: Saudi Arabians think very strategically, particularly after the lessons they learned in the 70s that rights now their great ally is Iran, funnily enough. There is a rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia. They have worked together to keep production down so that prices go up. And they're not going to do anything to disturb that apple cart. Their other great ally is the United States. And they can't afford to see us go into a tailspin through high energy prices. Therefore they will I think ultimately cooperate with us. MARGARET WARNER: Mr. Goldstein, it looks like whatever happens with this Iraq latest move, we're in for these higher energy price for some time. We're not going back to the $10 a barrel oil price? LAWRENCE GOLDSTEIN: It doesn't appear in any reasonable scenario that prices are going to unwind substantially in the near term, although we do believe you'll see a peak in price over the next 60 to 90 days and slow erosion as we move through 2000. MARGARET WARNER: All right. Well, thank you very much Lawrence Goldstein and Geoffrey Kemp. |
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