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Originally Aired: January 16, 2008
Analysis

Three-Way Democratic Race Puts Nevada in Spotlight

Democratic candidates Sen. Barack Obama, Sen. Hillary Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards met for a closely-watched debate in Las Vegas Tuesday night as the three compete for voter support ahead of Nevada's caucus. Analysts weigh in on the state of the race.
Former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C.
 
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JUDY WOODRUFF: With the Nevada caucuses only three days away, all eyes were on Tuesday night's Las Vegas debate. After a week of tense back-and-forths related to race, both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton went out of their way to smooth those waters.

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D), New York: We're all family in the Democratic Party. We are so different from the Republicans on all of these issues in every way that affects the future of the people that we care so much about.

SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D), Illinois: Race has always been an issue in our politics and in this country.

But one of the premises of my campaign -- and I think of the Democratic Party, and I know that John and Hillary have always been committed to racial equality -- is that we can't solve these challenges unless we can come together as a people. And we're not resorting to the same -- or falling into the same traps of division that we have in the past.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Still, NBC's Tim Russert asked Clinton if she would hold accountable Robert Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, who in a weekend appearance with Clinton made comments many interpreted as an allusion to Obama's admitted drug use as a teenager.

TIM RUSSERT, Host, NBC's "Meet the Press": Will you now not allow Robert Johnson to participate in any of your campaign events because of that conduct?

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: Well, Bob has put out a statement saying what he was trying to say and what he thought he had said. We accept him on his word on that.

TIM RUSSERT: Were his comments out of bounds?

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: Yes, they were.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And Obama was asked about his campaign's role in exacerbating the feud.

TIM RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina, four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

SEN. BARACK OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say.

And it is my responsibility to make sure that we're setting a clear tone in our campaign. And I take that responsibility very seriously, which is why I spoke yesterday and sent a message, in case people were not clear, that what we want to do is make sure that we focus on the issues.

JUDY WOODRUFF: John Edwards was also given a chance to weigh in.

FORMER SEN. JOHN EDWARDS (D), Presidential Candidate: Well, the only thing I would add is I have the perspective of living in the South, including a time when there was segregation in the South, and I feel an enormous personal responsibility to continue to move forward.

Now, we've made great progress, but we're not finished with that progress. And the struggles and sacrifice of Dr. King and many others who gave blood, sweat, tears, and in some cases their lives, to move America toward equality.

And having seen the pain and the struggle and the sacrifice of so many up close -- because I lived with it, I lived with it in my years growing up -- I think we, all of us, have an enormous responsibility not to go back, but to go forward.

David Brooks
David Brooks
New York Times
The differences on policy grounds between the three candidacies are now measured in micrometers. They are really small. And so that's probably good news.

Candidates put best foot forward


JUDY WOODRUFF: Each of the candidates was asked to identify his or her strengths and weaknesses. Edwards' response was...

JOHN EDWARDS: I think my greatest strength is that, for 54 years, I've been fighting with every fiber of my being. In the beginning, the fight was for me. Growing up in mill towns and mill villages, I had to literally fight to survive.

But then I spent 20 years in courtrooms fighting for children and families against really powerful, well-financed interests.

I think weakness -- I sometimes have a very powerful, emotional response to pain that I see around me.

JUDY WOODRUFF: In that context, Russert asked Obama about recent comments he had made to a Nevada newspaper.

TIM RUSSERT: You said one of your weaknesses is, quote, "I'm not an operating officer." Do the American people want someone in the Oval Office who is an operating officer?

SEN. BARACK OBAMA: Well, I think what I was describing was how I view the presidency. Now, being president is not making sure that schedules are being run properly or the paperwork is being shuffled effectively. It involves having a vision for where the country needs to go.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Clinton said she views the responsibilities of the office differently.

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: I do think that being president is the chief executive officer. And I respect what Barack said about setting the vision, setting the tone, bringing people together, but I think you have to be able to manage and run the bureaucracy.

You've got to pick good people, certainly, but you have to hold them accountable every single day. We've seen the results of a president who, frankly, failed at that.

You know, he went into office saying he was going to have the kind of Harvard Business School CEO model, where he'd set the tone, he'd set the goals, and then everybody else would have to implement it.

And we saw the failures. We saw the failures along the Gulf Coast, with people who were totally incompetent and insensitive failing to help our fellow Americans. We've seen the failures with holding the administration accountable with the no-bid contracts and the cronyism.

TIM RUSSERT: Senator Obama, Senator Clinton invoked your name. I'll give you a chance to respond.

SEN. BARACK OBAMA: I think that there's something -- if we're going to evaluate George Bush and his failures as president -- that I think are much more important. He was very efficient. He was on time all the time. You know, I'm sure he never lost a paper. I'm sure he knows where it is.

What he could not do, what he could not do is to listen to perspectives that didn't agree with his ideological predispositions. What he could not do is to bring in different people with different perspectives and get them to work together.

Those are the kinds of failures that have to do with judgment; they have to do with vision, the capacity to inspire people. They don't have to do with whether or not he was managing the bureaucracy properly.

That's not to deny that there has to be strong management skills in the presidency. It is to say that what has been missing is the ability to bring people together, to mobilize the country, to move us in a better direction, and to be straight with the American people.

Mark Shields
Mark Shields
Syndicated Columnist
I almost retched when I heard the Clinton and Edwards answers.

Nevadans anxious over Yucca Mtn.


JUDY WOODRUFF: One issue that has angered many Nevadans is the proposed nuclear waste repository at Yucca Mountain. Clinton took a question on her position and turned it on her rivals.

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: You know, Barack has one of his biggest supporters, in terms of funding, the Exelon Corporation, which has spent millions of dollars trying to make Yucca Mountain the waste depository. John was in favor of it twice when he voted to override President Clinton's veto, and then voted for it again.

I have consistently and persistently been against Yucca Mountain, and I will make sure it does not come into effect when I'm president.

BRIAN WILLIAMS, Host, "NBC Nightly News": Your rebuttal to the mention?

SEN. BARACK OBAMA: Well, I think it's a testimony to my commitment and opposition to Yucca Mountain that, despite the fact that my state has more nuclear power plants than any other state in the country, I've never supported Yucca Mountain, so I just want to make that clear.

BRIAN WILLIAMS: Senator Edwards?

JOHN EDWARDS: Well, I'm opposed to Yucca Mountain. I will end it, for all the reasons that have already been discussed, because of the science that's been discovered, because apparently some forgery of documents that's also been discovered, all of which has happened in recent years...

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: Well, but, John, you did vote for Yucca Mountain twice, and you didn't respond to that part of the question.

JOHN EDWARDS: I did respond to it. I said the science has -- the science that has been revealed since that time, and the forged documents that have been revealed since that time, have made it very -- this has been for years, Hillary.

This didn't start last year or three years ago. I've said this for years now, have revealed that this thing does not make sense, is not good for the people of Nevada, and it's not good for America.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Immediately following the debate, Clinton rallied her supporters at a nearby high school.

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: What this campaign for me is all about is making sure that the common purpose of America, to make progress as a nation and to give progress and the possibilities it represents to every American, to those who are young, to those whose lives are before them, because to do anything other than that would be to break faith with the American dream.

SEN. BARACK OBAMA: ... shape public opinion against their plan...

JUDY WOODRUFF: And the Nevada campaign continued today, with Obama explaining to voters in Henderson his plan for reforming health care in America.

SEN. BARACK OBAMA: We're going to have a big table. And we're going to have doctors, and nurses, and hospital administrators, and patients, advocacy groups, employers, labor.

And we'll have the insurance and the drug companies. They get a seat at the table. They just won't be able to buy every chair.

And I'll sit down at the table -- I'll have the biggest chair, because I'll be president, so...

So I'll sit down, and we will have a negotiation. I will put my plan at the center of the table. I'll say, "Here's my plan. I think that it does the best in terms of cutting costs, and improving quality, and making sure everybody is covered, but if you have good ideas, put them forward. And if you have objections, let me know."

We're going to have a good back-and-forth negotiation. Here's the thing, though: We're going to do it on C-SPAN, so everybody will be able to see -- everybody will be able to see just, you know, who's saying what.

JOHN EDWARDS: My parents brought me home to a two-room house in the mill village...

JUDY WOODRUFF: John Edwards campaigned in the western part of the state. He held a town hall in Reno.

It's unclear just how many voters will show up for Saturday's caucuses, and so the candidates will continue to work the state, trying to raise voter turnout.
David Brooks
David Brooks
New York Times
Hillary Clinton clearly was not showing any disrespect to Martin Luther King in praising Lyndon Johnson, and yet they took it as if she's dumping all over Martin Luther King.

Debate provides little insight


JIM LEHRER: And how the Democratic race looks tonight to Shields and Brooks, syndicated columnist Mark Shields, New York Times columnist David Brooks.

David, what did you make of that debate last night?

DAVID BROOKS, Columnist, New York Times: Two hours of my life wasted.

JIM LEHRER: Wasted?

DAVID BROOKS: No, well, they didn't disagree. There wasn't a lot that happened. They pulled back sensibly from the really nasty stuff they have participated in earlier in the week.

And what you saw was a couple things. First, you saw a lot of policy disagreement, and that generally is good news for the Democratic Party. The differences on policy grounds between the three candidacies are now measured in micrometers. They are really small. And so that's probably good news.

I think the difference is -- and we saw it in the excerpts -- was in the question, when they were asked, "What is your weakness?" And Obama gave an honest answer. I have this weakness; I'm not that organized with papers.

And the other two candidates gave the answer which everybody who watches debates hates. The political hack answer to that question is, "I care too much. I'm too impatient for good things to happen."

And that's the nursery school, political hack answer. And they both gave it. And maybe it will turn out right for them. I see Hillary Clinton is following up, saying, "See, today Barack Obama is disorganized. He's not a good administrator."

But for those who admire a little honesty, I thought Obama's answer was by far the superior one.

JIM LEHRER: How did you read the debate, Mark?

MARK SHIELDS, Syndicated Columnist: Amen. I associate totally with Mr. Brooks' remarks about that answer to that question. I almost retched when I heard the Clinton and Edwards answers.

"My terminal compassion is my biggest problem," said John Edwards. "And I'm just too impatient to get good things for good people," Jim, said Hillary. And there was a refreshing candor on the part of Obama.

Jim, any time you start the first six questions of a debate on race, among Democrats, when it's been a sensitive subject and an open wound for the week preceding that debate, then you're guaranteed that you're going to have a laid-back, guarded, overly tactful discussion.

JIM LEHRER: Why? Nobody wants to make it...

MARK SHIELDS: Nobody wanted to do that. They had different interests in getting it behind them. Senator Obama has predicated his campaign on it being nonracial, that he is a black candidate, but he is not the black candidate.

Mark Shields
Mark Shields
Syndicated Columnist
I think that it's a little bit like the heroin in the bloodstream. Once that charge is in there, that this is a minority candidate who used drugs ... and that's what you're going to know about him, then you've got a serious thing going.

Race, drug issues likely to return


JIM LEHRER: Did it work? Do you think the three got it behind them, the racial issue?

MARK SHIELDS: Well, I don't think John Edwards -- I mean, John Edwards probably had, you know, as direct an answer as anybody in the three.

JIM LEHRER: I mean, Obama and Clinton.

MARK SHIELDS: I had six senior Democrats this week, unaligned in this campaign, independently volunteer to me that they thought it was part of the campaign strategy of the Clinton campaign to get this in to make it a black-white race going into February 5th, that in several...

JIM LEHRER: That's a very serious issue.

MARK SHIELDS: It is a very serious issue. But the point is, when you have Billy Shaheen, the national chairman, bring up the drug thing, then that's followed by Mark Penn, a senior strategist, bring up cocaine.

And then, as she's being introduced, Senator Clinton is being introduced on Sunday, after on "Meet the Press" she said she was going to fire anybody who entered into this tactics, Robert L. Johnson, the founder of BET, stood up there and said, "We know what he was doing back in the neighborhood when the Clintons were fighting all the good fights."

Now, and then had the absolute chutzpah to suggest that he was saying -- he was doing community organizing. And that doesn't past the smell test. It just doesn't pass the smell test of anybody I know.

So I think that it's a little bit like the heroin in the bloodstream. Once that charge is in there, that this is a minority candidate who used drugs, and that's who he is, and that's what you're going to know about him, then you've got a serious thing going.

And I think it's in Obama's interest to get it behind him. I was surprised he didn't respond more forcefully.

JIM LEHRER: Do you buy Mark's thesis here?

DAVID BROOKS: Halfway. It can't be an accident that all these charges came up within a three- or four-day period. It just can't be an accident that all happened.

On the other hand, I thought the Obama campaign exploited it willfully and with forethought took things out of context to say they meant things they clearly did not mean. For example...

JIM LEHRER: The Clintons didn't mean?

DAVID BROOKS: Hillary Clinton clearly was not showing any disrespect to Martin Luther King in praising Lyndon Johnson, and yet they took it as if she's dumping all over Martin Luther King. And they took it, and they made this accusation that an attack on Barack Obama is an attack on the entire African-American experience.

And those were clearly not what she meant. So I think what you had was a clashing sort of victim politics, the identity politics we've seen.

You had an African-American leading a sort of "We are the superior victim." You had a woman leading with, "We are the superior victim." And these sort of rhetorical tools that have been developed against sort of the reactionary establishment were now used against each other.

And it got incredibly nasty incredibly quick. And both campaigns, I think, saw how nasty it had gotten.

JIM LEHRER: Is it over now?

MARK SHIELDS: Just a point with David. It was not raised by the Obama campaign. It was raised by Donna Brazile, who's an independent, who ran Al Gore's campaign, who's now an independent commentator, African-American woman, and by Jim Clyburn, the senior Democrat in the House of Representatives from South Carolina. They were the ones who really...

JIM LEHRER: Raised the Martin Luther King issue.

MARK SHIELDS: Raised the Martin Luther King issue.

JIM LEHRER: Up until now, do you think they effectively put it aside in the debate last night?

DAVID BROOKS: I think the issues are too big to really be put aside. I think they'll be back.

MARK SHIELDS: I think this is a campaign where this is the first serious African-American candidate for president. There are more white voters than there are African-American voters in the Democratic primary. So it's not aside.

JIM LEHRER: I want to get on to the Republicans in a minute, but how important is Nevada on Saturday?

DAVID BROOKS: I don't think there's going to be one super, important thing. I think that we're going to now see a whole series of states, at least until Super Tuesday.

So it's important, especially for Barack Obama, but I don't think it's going to be climactic.

MARK SHIELDS: If either candidate -- not writing off John Edwards -- but if either of the leading two candidates wins both Nevada and South Carolina, it's an enormous advantage, I think, going into February 5th.

JIM LEHRER: Now, the Democrats, South Carolina is the week after this coming Saturday, which is when only the Republicans are.

MARK SHIELDS: That's exactly right.
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