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Political Analysts Examine Huckabee, Obama Victories in Iowa |
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| Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., emerged victorious after tight Iowa races in both parties in Thursday evening's caucuses. NewsHour political analysts Mark Shields in Iowa and David Brooks in New Hampshire discuss what the wins will mean for the remainder of the presidential race. |
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JIM LEHRER: Good evening. I'm Jim Lehrer in Washington, and I welcome you to this PBS NewsHour special edition. It's on the 2008 Iowa presidential caucuses, where the big winners were Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee. Obama captured nearly 38 percent of the Democratic vote tonight in his bid to become the first black president. John Edwards held second place by just a fraction of a point over Hillary Clinton, who had led the race for months. On the Republican side, Huckabee won with 34 percent of the vote. His late surge beat out the early front-runner, Mitt Romney, who finished with 25 percent. John McCain and Fred Thompson were in a virtual tie for third. The winners claimed their prizes tonight. Mike Huckabee spoke a short time ago at a Republican victory rally in Des Moines. FORMER GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE (R), Arkansas: You know, I wasn't sure that I would ever be able to love a state as much as I love my home state of Arkansas, but tonight I love Iowa a whole lot. Over the past several months, my family and I have had the marvelous joy and privilege of getting to know many of you, and it's been an incredible honor. I was thinking last night, some of the friendships that we've forged here in the last several months are friendships that will last a lifetime. And we didn't know how this was going to turn out tonight, but I knew one thing: I would be forever grateful to the people that I met, the ones who voted for me, even the ones who didn't, who still treated me with respect, and who gave me their attention, who have allowed me to come often, not just into their communities, but into their homes, not once, but time and time again. And a few of them I even convinced to vote for me tonight, and that's really remarkable. JIM LEHRER: Close Democratic finishers Clinton and Edwards also talked to their supporters this evening at separate events. SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D), New York: Well, we're going to take this enthusiasm and go right to New Hampshire tonight. This is a great night for Democrats. We have seen an unprecedented turnout here in Iowa. And that is good news, because today we're sending a clear message: that we are going to have change, and that change will be a Democratic president in the White House in 2009. I am so proud to have run with such exceptional candidates. I congratulate Senator Obama and Senator Edwards. I thank Senator Dodd, and Senator Biden, and Governor Richardson and Congressman Kucinich. Together, we have presented the case for change and have made it absolutely clear that America needs a new beginning. FORMER SEN. JOHN EDWARDS (D), Presidential Candidate: The one thing that's clear from the results in Iowa tonight is the status quo lost and change won. And now we move on. We move on through Iowa to New Hampshire and to the other states to determine who's best suited to bring about the change that this country so desperately needed, because what we've seen here in Iowa is we've seen two candidates who thought their money would make them inevitable. But what the Iowa caucus-goers have shown is, if you're willing to have a little backbone, to have a little courage, to speak for the middle class, to speak for those who have no voice, if you're willing, if you're willing to stand up to corporate greed, that message and the American people are unstoppable. |
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David Brooks
The New York Times |
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Now his [Obama's] campaign is not just a crusade; it's not just about nice words, like hope and change. It's actually a political movement. And so you have this idealism which now has substance. |
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Words from Mitt Romney
JIM LEHRER: The Democratic results did claim one casualty. The Associated Press reported Senator Chris Dodd of Connecticut is dropping out of the race. He got less than 1 percent of the vote in Iowa.Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney addressed a gathering of his Republican followers after his second-place finish. FORMER GOV. MITT ROMNEY (R), Massachusetts: ... is broken, and we're going to change that. And Iowa said that tonight. Iowa said that tonight. On the Democratic side, a new face, Barack Obama. On our side, the top two contenders here, the top two finishers, both people from outside Washington. You're going to see change in Washington because America recognizes that we're not going to change the nation and have a bright future if we just send the same old people back to Washington in just different chairs. That's not going to work. We need new faces in Washington, and I intend to be one of them. JIM LEHRER: Moments ago, Senator Barack Obama also spoke to his supporters in Des Moines. We'll have a clip from that in a moment. But for now, we have some analysis from Shields and Brooks, syndicated columnist Mark Shields, he's in Manchester, New Hampshire, tonight, and New York Times columnist David Brooks. He's in Des Moines. David, Obama's victory, why did it happen? DAVID BROOKS, Columnist, New York Times: Well, it happened because people actually came to believe he had substance. They all knew he was enthusiastic. They all knew he had abstract visions for change. But he persuaded them over the course of his rallies and over the course of the campaign that there was actually meat there and not just fluff. And he did it by building a big organization and now producing a tangible victory. Now his campaign is not just a crusade; it's not just about nice words, like hope and change. It's actually a political movement. And so you have this idealism which now has substance. And it's just big. It's just a big event. I'd be stunned if he lost in New Hampshire now. The country is going to -- the reality of it is going to be different than the prospect of it. And, you know, an African-American man wins in a mostly white state. He beat some really good contenders, and he beats them pretty badly, actually. |
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Mark Shields
Syndicated Columnist |
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The attempt of the establishment of the Republican Party to undermine Mike Huckabee's candidacy is not going to be a pretty sight. But a very, very impressive victory over Mitt Romney, who outspent him 20-1 in Iowa.  |
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"A big, big event"
JIM LEHRER: Mark, a big, big event?MARK SHIELDS, Syndicated Columnist: A big, big event, Jim, a bigger victory for Barack Obama than John Kerry won four years ago and George Bush I won here, that Bob Dole won, other candidates who wanted to be elected president of the United States won in Iowa. It was impressive. In real estate, it's location, location, location. In caucus politics, it's turnout, turnout, turnout. And Barack Obama's campaign and candidacy fired the passion of people to the point where they turned out in record numbers. It almost doubled. And he did something, Jim, that was quite unlike anything I've ever seen before in American politics: He changed the electoral universe. It wasn't just Democrats who turned out for him. It was independents, and it was Republicans. And the meaning of that, the possible implication of that in November, if he is the nominee, and he maintains that, it's a re-alignment in American politics. JIM LEHRER: Yes. Huckabee, what happened to him? What happened for him to cause this thing to turn around and for him to beat Romney, as largely, as well as he did tonight, David? I'm sorry. Somebody was talking to me in my ear. My question sounded a little incoherent. That was the problem. Go ahead, David. Huckabee, why did he do it? DAVID BROOKS: This is not quite as big as the Obama victory, but it's also an earthquake. With two earthquakes in one night, this is political pundit heaven. And I think he did it because, a, he understood that we have a leadership crisis in this country. People don't trust government. They are suspicious of Wall Street, and conservatives are suspicious of the leadership of the Republican Party. And Huckabee went after all three. They threw everything they had at him. And now, especially the Republican establishment, their weakness has been exposed. And then, secondly, he understood economic anxiety and the way it interplays with social anxiety: divorce, family breakdown, mixing in with job losses and wages. And so he talked about a language of economics that was tied in with values. And those two things were huge. And then the final quick thing was he's the first ironic evangelical we've had, a very funny guy, at least on the national stage, funny guy, relaxed, not at war with modern culture. Those are the three big elements that Huckabee brought. And I'm not sure he's going to get the nomination, but he's started a big change in the Republican Party. JIM LEHRER: Mark, what's your analysis of Huckabee's victory? MARK SHIELDS: If Obama represents hope -- and I think he did to an awful lot of people in Iowa this evening -- Mike Huckabee represents authenticity. There is about him just a realness, a likeability, yes, a sense of humor, self-deprecating, which is quite appealing, but a true compassionate conservative is how he came through. And I really think he's onto something. I think David put his finger on what is a real fault line in the Republican Party at this point, Jim. And that is an economic populist who is openly skeptical, in many cases hostile, of what have been the entrenched economic policies and tilt of the Republican Party presents an enormous problem for this party. And I think that the attempt of the establishment of the Republican Party to undermine Mike Huckabee's candidacy is not going to be a pretty sight. But a very, very impressive victory over Mitt Romney, who outspent him 20-1 in Iowa. And Romney facing a very, very arduous trail at this point. If he loses in Iowa and then loses in New Hampshire, in his native New England, to John McCain, which is a distinct possibility, then his candidacy, I think, is if not mortally wounded, then severely damaged.
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Statements from Senator Obama
JIM LEHRER: OK, I want to come back to some of that in a moment, but, first, we do now have Senator Obama's statement a few moments ago in Des Moines.SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D), Illinois: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Iowa. You know, they said this day would never come. They said our sights were set too high. They said this country was too divided, too disillusioned to ever come together around a common purpose. But on this January night, at this defining moment in history, you have done what the cynics said we couldn't do. You have done what the state of New Hampshire can do in five days. You have done what America can do in this new year, 2008. In lines that stretched around schools and churches, in small towns and in big cities, you came together as Democrats, Republicans and independents to stand up and say that we are one nation, we are one people, and our time for change has come! JIM LEHRER: Judy Woodruff is also in Des Moines. She's at the Polk County Convention Center there. And Gwen Ifill is with Mark in New Hampshire. Judy, first, Obama's point about this moves onto New Hampshire, what's the conventional reporting wisdom tonight after these results on Obama, specifically about what the impact of this could be in New Hampshire on Tuesday? JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, Jim, the conventional and the unconventional sense we're getting is that this gives Barack Obama an enormous boost going into the first primary state in New Hampshire. His Iowa campaign staff, the people who were the brainpower behind it, as well as his national campaign staff, look at this as virtually revolutionizing the Democratic Party. They talk about not only bringing out Democrats, but I think what we've been talking about tonight, bringing out people who had not participated in the elections, in the primary process, the caucus process here in Iowa. Over 200,000 people -- we don't have final numbers yet -- an unprecedented number turned out for these Democratic caucuses. And they're saying that signals that Barack Obama is bringing people out to vote to participate who have never been considered part of this Democratic nominating process before and, therefore, they say, he has just gotten an enormous lift. They are saying they were relentless in pushing his candidacy and going door to door, but they say the candidate himself is the one who did this, with his message of bringing the country together.
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The effect on New Hampshire
JIM LEHRER: Gwen, from the perspective of New Hampshire and watching all of this, did you feel a breeze from Des Moines as you were reporting these results?GWEN IFILL: A stiff, cold breeze from Des Moines, because it's pretty cold here, too, Jim. A few numbers, first of all. It's good to keep in mind that coming into this, the latest University of New Hampshire poll had this whole thing tied up. Barack Obama had closed what had been a 25-point gap that he had with Hillary Clinton in November, and now is in a dead heat with her, within the margin of error. Same things happened on the Republican side. McCain and Romney are tied here in New Hampshire, in a way that, obviously, McCain, coming in third, if it looks like that what he's going to do in Iowa, this will help him. Talking to the -- I spent part of the evening with the Obama folks over at their caucus-watching party here in Manchester, and it's kind of a sense of stunned amazement. They've been working for this. They thought they could do it. But to discover that Iowa actually set them up for this, they now know the next four or five days of their lives are going to be among the toughest. So this is how they've been preparing for it: 1.7 million phone calls made around the state; 350,000 doors knocked on around the state. They think they have created the kind of groundwork that they can use Iowa to bounce them into contention beyond where Hillary Clinton was. I think that they were still, before the results started to come in, at least here in New Hampshire, still a little nervous about whether Senator Clinton was going to be able to best them in Iowa. But by the end of the evening, needless to say, they were kind of clinging to the ceilings. And when they fell from the ceilings asking each other, like they did in that old Robert Redford movie "The Candidate," what next? JIM LEHRER: Mark, how do you read the prospects for Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire now? MARK SHIELDS: Well, I think there's a great test for anybody, and that is how they handle adversity and defeat. This was the first defeat of Hillary Clinton's political career. I thought her speech tonight was especially gracious, generous, magnanimous, and there was no sense of whining, no sense of blame. It was just a good, upbeat speech. She's going to come into New Hampshire. She's got a superb organization here of very good, local people. And this is the battleground. They know that this is their... JIM LEHRER: This is it for them, huh? MARK SHIELDS: Not their Waterloo, but, I mean, this was to be their firewall, Jim. That's what they thought of New Hampshire all the way through. Bill Clinton is the only president who -- other than Lyndon Johnson -- that carried New Hampshire. He carried it twice. I mean, he's an enormously popular figure here. And I think you're going to see a pitched battle in the next five days. And it's going to be wonderful to cover and great to participate in. JIM LEHRER: Pitched battle, David, coming? DAVID BROOKS: Probably, though, if I were them, I'd write it off. You know, this moment, the independents in New Hampshire are going to eat up that Obama speech that we just saw. And there's going to be no stopping them, I think. If I were Hillary Clinton, I'd let the man have his moment of rapture, and then I'd wait a few more weeks, and try to remind people after this dies down, say, "The guy isn't that experienced; he's young, et cetera." We all know the arguments. I'd wait for this moment to pass and try to build it somewhere else, but I don't expect they're going to do that. The Clinton people are fighters, and they're professionals. So they will come at him. And the question is, will they decide to go as completely negative as they can? And that's an extremely risky proposition. You've got an African-American man for the historic reasons on the juggernaut to the White House. Do you want to stand in the way of that? That's a really tough thing to do. If I were them, I'd wait, but I suspect they won't do it. JIM LEHRER: OK. Now, Margaret Warner... MARK SHIELDS: David? Jim? JIM LEHRER: Yes, excuse me. Yes, go ahead. MARK SHIELDS: Jim, I don't think they can afford to wait, because, after New Hampshire, it's South Carolina. And the reality is that what African-American voters, and the ones I've talked to, interviewed, I've seen, heard from in focus groups have said the same thing. They didn't believe that white America would vote for an African-American man for president. And if he carries two overwhelmingly, 98 percent white states, that is going to be such an energizing factor among African-American voters that he would be unstoppable. JIM LEHRER: All right, speaking of the numbers... MARK SHIELDS: So the Clintons can't wait.
 
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Political Analysts Examine Huckabee, Obama Victories in Iowa |
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