MARGARET WARNER: Thanks, Jim.I'm joined by author Michael Beschloss, and Richard Norton Smith, scholar in residence at George Mason University, and Peniel Joseph, professor of history and African-American studies at Brandeis University.
So, team -- start with you, Richard -- what is Bill Clinton's legacy to this party and to the country?
RICHARD NORTON SMITH, George Mason University: Oh, gosh. Bill Clinton's legacy -- earlier we heard Walter Mondale, a very honorable, very decent spokesperson for a different kind of Democratic Party, a kind of a New Deal liberalism.
It was Bill Clinton who said the era of big government is over. It was Bill Clinton who in many ways anticipated Barack Obama by seeking a third way, almost a post-ideological presidency. And so welfare reform, and a balanced budget, and surpluses, things that people didn't associate with Democrats.
So he redefined the Democratic Party, certainly in economic terms, and to some degree, I would say, in foreign policy, as well.
MARGARET WARNER: Redefined the Democratic Party?
PENIEL JOSEPH, Brandeis University: Absolutely. It's really a paradoxical legacy.
On the one hand, Clinton is the first Democrat to have two terms since, really, Roosevelt. On the other, his third way or neoliberalism actually really transforms the party in a way that his critics say was really negative, because, on the one hand, he says he wants a leaner, not meaner government in 1992, and really tries to split the difference between old-school New Deal liberalism and the conservative austerity of the 1980s.
Now, that third way was progressive on some fronts, but on other fronts it left people wondering whether the Democratic Party really cared about working people, poor people, and minorities.
MARGARET WARNER: And how much has this -- well, first of all, do you agree with this assessment of his legacy, Michael? And how much of it has endured? I mean, do you see it in Barack Obama?
MICHAEL BESCHLOSS, Presidential Historian: Yes, actually, I don't agree too much with some of what both Peniel and Richard said, as much as I love you both.
And the reason is that eight years of peace and prosperity, admirable, I think to historians, in the future. Legacy is what a president does that affects later generations.
Bill Clinton had to basically try to retard the movement of a Republican period. That period is ebbing right now. He also tried to make the Democratic Party as strong as the Republicans on military things. So both of those things are a little bit out of date.
This seems to be this year a Democratic time, a growing Democratic Congress. Not too many lessons for Barack Obama to use either as candidate or president.
MARGARET WARNER: I'm afraid we have to leave it there for now. Michael, Peniel, and Richard, thank you.