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Breivik’s Lawyer: ‘He Expected to Be Killed’

July 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM EST
Authorities in Norway have begun to publicly identify some of the victims of the Friday terror attacks. Independent Television News' Carl Dinnen reports on the latest developments including some new insights about Anders Behring Breivik from his attorney.
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GWEN IFILL: And to the massacre in Norway.

Authorities began today to publicly identify some of the victims of the Friday attacks. So far, the list includes three from the bomb blast in Oslo, where eight were killed, and just one from the shooting at the political youth camp on the island of Utoya. Sixty eight are known to have died there, some are still missing.

We have a report from Carl Dinnen of Independent Television News in Oslo.

CARL DINNEN: It’s just a wristband, but it bears the name Utoya. It’s from the camp. For Tonje, it says: I was there. I survived.

Yet Anders Behring Breivik had stood within feet of her.

TONJE KRISTENSEN, survivor: He came in the — into the next room, next to us. And he was just on the other side of the door.

CARL DINNEN: How did you know he was in the next room? What was he doing?

TONJE KRISTENSEN: You heard the sound of his feet hitting the — yes, like a movie, in a way. And he was shooting. And then he stopped shooting. And we realized he was empty. And he was going to fix it. And then we realized that this is the time to jump out of the window. It was pretty high, but it’s the best thing I have ever done, jumping out of that window.

CARL DINNEN: Tonje escaped the island with her life. But she says she knew every single one of the people who didn’t make it.

TONJE KRISTENSEN: Some of them, I knew very well. And some of them, I had not met so often, but they are still a close friend. And it means so much to me. So, yes, it’s hard to bear. It’s very hard to bear.

CARL DINNEN: Does it seem real?

TONJE KRISTENSEN: No.

CARL DINNEN: Images of the missing and the dead smile out from Norway’s newspapers. Many more will appear as they are announced in the coming days.

The lawyer who must defend the man responsible says he is most likely insane.

CARL DINNEN: Has he shown any remorse or any regret for what he did?

GEIR LIPPESTAD, attorney for Anders Behring Breivik: He said it was necessary to start a war here in Europe and as well the Western world. So, he is sorry that it was necessary, but it was necessary, he says.

CARL DINNEN: Was he expecting to survive and be arrested?

GEIR LIPPESTAD: No.

CARL DINNEN: He expected he would be killed or that he would kill himself?

GEIR LIPPESTAD: He expected to be killed.

CARL DINNEN: He also told us Breivik had taken drugs to stay alert.

As Norwegians come together in grief, there are questions about whether the killer could have been stopped. The head of Norway’s domestic security service admitted they had seen his name, but says they didn’t have a clear picture.

Was the decision not to investigate him after he came on this list the right decision?

JANNE KRISTIANSEN, Norwegian Intelligence Agency chief: This wasn’t a list as such. This was just a list that he had been in contact and paid a very small amount, about 12 pounds, to this. We had nothing further. And if we had put him in our database, I think half of Norway would have been in our database. And that’s not the sort of country we are.

CARL DINNEN: Norwegian intelligence are reviewing procedures, but say they could not have stopped Breivik.

As for Tonje, she is determined to return one day to Utoya.

TONJE KRISTENSEN: I want to go back. It’s my island. It’s still my island. It’s still my paradise.

CARL DINNEN: She says then, and only then, will she feel able to remove her wristband.

JEFFREY BROWN: The police force in Oslo continued to face criticism today over its response to the shooting spree on Utoya. It took 90 minutes to reach the gunman, in part because the department doesn’t own a helicopter and its boat broke down en route to the island.

This evening, police detonated explosives found on a farm leased by the gunman. They believed he used fertilizer as the main ingredient in the Oslo bomb.