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August 16, 1999
 


School superintendents: David Hornbeck from Philadelphia; Rod Paige from Houston; Kate Stetzner from Butte, Montana; and David Domenech from Fairfax County, Virginia, discuss school safety issues.



ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: The Columbine shootings came on the heels of school killings last year in Springfield, Oregon, and Jonesboro, Arkansas, among others. In Springfield, a 15-year-old killed two students and wounded 19; and in Jonesboro, a 13- and an 11-year-old shot four classmates and a teacher. Now, we take a wider look at school safety around the country. Joining us are four public school superintendents from across the country: David Hornbeck from Philadelphia, Rod Paige from Houston, Kate Stetzner from Butte, Montana, and Daniel Domenech from Fairfax County, in Northern Virginia, outside of Washington, D.C.

Rod Paige, what are you doing in Houston to improve school safety?

ROD PAIGE: First of all, we adopt an attitude that safety is important; a core value of an independent school district court is safety above all else. It didn't just begin the last couple of months, or last couple of years. It might be an attitude that goes throughout the entire structure of the organization. These add-on programs with increased security and things like that now are important, but there must be some structural part of the system that speaks to safety.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: What kind of add-on programs have you done, though, in the past year or so?

ROD PAIGE: Well, we obviously have done some of that. We've increased the number of police officers, we've increased their routine, we've added some metal detectors and those types of things. But they will only be effective if they are a part of an overall program that involves in instructional program and other aspects of the district operations.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Kate Stetzner, what changes have you made in Butte?

KATE STETZNER: What we've done since we've experienced a school shooting ourselves in 1994 with a ten-year-old bringing a gun to school as we have a district-wide plan and a district-wide plan makes it mandatory every school have school safety at the top of their goals for the year. We have SRO officers, and this year for the first time every classroom teacher will have a packet in the classroom that is designed for every kind of crisis situation that could possibly happen and what they need to do a how they need to proceed. We also are very much into mentorship programs and community SRO officers.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: What are SRO officers?

KATE STETZNER: School resource officers, police officers on duties, not just at the high school or middle school level, but at all schools.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Go ahead.

KATE STETZNER: And finally, we're looking at mentorship programs. We truly know that kids do well if they can trust a caring adult. And so we' looking at connecting many of our people into our community of schools in all of our schools throughout our district.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: David Hornbeck, what changes have you made in Philadelphia?

DAVID HORNBECK: Three different kinds. One are the short-term measures, the walk-through metal detectors, the increase in school police, places that we can send kids that have been disruptive, both on a short-term basis, long term; a whole host of things like that, and they've actually resulted in 51 percent decrease in robberies and a 36 percent decrease in firearms violations over the last three years. But the issue of culture is an important one, too. And so we've divided our 259 schools into schools within schools, small learning communities, two to four hundred kids in each one so that parents and kids and teachers can really come to know each other and in important new ways. We created lots more after-school activities. But the third thing that I would say is that if we improve the academic success of kids, who have not known success, I think that's going to make a huge impact on the kind of disruptive behavior, the responses in terms of violence and hurting other kids. We have very little problem with youngsters in the Philadelphia School District who are enjoying success in reading and math and science and are being promoted and graduating on time. So it's short term, it's long term, and it's changing that place where adults and kids relate, trying to reduce the anonymity, eliminate the isolation kids feel, listen to them; hear their own grief, hear their own loss that they find in routine ways.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Daniel Domenech, what about in Fairfax County, Virginia?

DANIEL DOMENECH: We're trying to learn from Columbine and some of these other incidents and focus on children that tend to fall through the cracks, children that tend to become isolated. And here is where mentor programs we think are very critical. And this coming September we have program called Mentor Works, whose target is to me sure that all 150,000 children in the Fairfax school system have a responsible adult that's watching and caring for them. And we think that that is very important. Beyond that, we have a comprehensive array of preventive measures. We also have school resource officers in all of our high schools and middle schools. We have a manual that all our staff will see this September where they come in with a step-by-step procedure as to what to do whatever the incident happens to be. So, in general, summarizing what we have heard already, we tend to have all of those programs. But what we're trying to do, as we heard the superintendent at Columbine say before, is to maintain an atmosphere in our schools that is conducive to learning where the kids feel safe and secure, the parents and staff.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Your schools are probably not unlike the Columbine School, right?

DANIEL DOMENECH: Very similar, correct.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: But you have not put in new metal detectors, you haven't closed doors, you are not using see-through backpacks, which some schools I know are using. You are not doing any of that. Why?

DANIEL DOMENECH: We are not doing any of that. We have not put any cameras, metal detectors, anything. We're focusing at this point in the preventive measures.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Why? Why didn't you do any of that?

DANIEL DOMENECH: Because unlike Columbine, which has to react in terms of making sure that everybody feels safe, we haven't had that type of an incident here, and we're doing everything we can to make sure that it doesn't happen. But, as long as it doesn't, we want to maintain that freedom that I think is important for the children and the parents to feel.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Rod Paige, what about that in Houston? How do you decide how much security is just too much, that you're going to really clamp down too much on an open educational atmosphere that you want, too?

ROD PAIGE: Well, it's a difficult decision to make. But we can take the attitude that it can happen here. So we've got to make sure we're on guard every minute. The key thing, we think, is having a system that pays attention to children. The students feel that people care about them and pay attention to them and all of these other things that we can add around the periphery will be good. But structurally the program and system must be operating in such a way that students feel that there's a quality adult relationship in their lives.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Have you had to do some of these more extreme measures, like use clear backpacks, demand that people use clear backpacks? And do you have quite a lot of metal detectors in your schools?

ROD PAIGE: Absolutely. We have some of that. And it's a school-by -school decision. We have a lot of site-based decision-making here in Houston. And some schools choose to do that, and others choose not to do that. But we have some fundamental parts that every school must take part in. We have a very highly effective police operation. It is an operation of qualified Texas peace officers. That's an HISD police force. So we do some of all of it. One of the things too we think is more effective than anything else is we are very aggressive about moving disruptive students into a environment that can help them better.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Kate Stetzner, how would you answer the question that the school board member posed in the piece before this discussion? He said are these new security measure a knee-jerk reaction because the public's clamoring for it, or are we really doing this because it's reasonable or necessary for the protection of young people in the schools?

KATE STETZNER: Well, I'd answer by telling you that we have 16,000 school districts in this country, and they are very, very safe. We have less than 1 percent of homicide episodes taking place today. I would answer by pleading with the media to help us and to become part of this whole orchestration of looking at trusting feelings for one another. I would say that what we need to do is say please bear with us and don't show all of the fear factors that would be there for children to look at frightening things that could happen in schools, but go towards what we can do to make sure that we have caring and trusting and responsible adults that work with children, and that we look at red flags and early warning signs that would help children as opposed to putting devices in school systems. So we make sure that we have a values system that's clear with how adults value children.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: So just briefly, Ms. Stetzner, would you say given the fact schools are mostly pretty safe, there could be a big overreaction happening here?

KATE STETZNER: Well, I don't think it's an overreaction. Anytime something has happened in the magnitude that happened there, we never can overreact. But what we need to do is be very gentle with the way that we deal with what's happening and make sure that we don't turn our schools into prisons and make sure we ask all of these services that work with children, from law enforcement to mental health services to medical professions, to come in and join us and invite them into our schools to work with us, to help resolve the problems together as opposed to leaving us out there as an island.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Mr. Domenech, what kind of resources are you putting in to teaching kids or helping kids treat each other better, the whole question of the jock culture what was discussed in the piece?

DANIEL DOMENECH: We have a very successful peer mediation program, as well as a number of violence courses in our schools, and some of our schools have been recognized as models -- Annandale High School, for example, right here has been visited by the President several times in terms of their diversity in mediation programs. And that, we feel, is critical and important, because we're also talking about changing the behavior of our students in terms of the kinds of activities that they resort to.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: But have you put more resources into that?

DANIEL DOMENECH: Yes, we have. One of the things that made our guidance counselors very happy is that in this year's budget we put additional monies in there to free up the guidance counselors from their clerical duties, so that they have more time to spend with the students in terms of guidance and counseling activities.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Rod Paige, what about in Houston, have you also put more resources into programs that would help kids get along better?

ROD PAIGE: Absolutely. We have a highly effective character education program. We have peer mediation programs and our counselors are trained in this aspect of schooling. It's a comprehensive program.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: And David Hornbeck, in Philadelphia?

DAVID HORNBECK: Peer mediation, conflict resolution, and one of the things that we've begun to put a lot of effort into that I think will pay off in this way is a lot of emphasis on student service learning, community service, 15,000 kids in it this year, next year it becomes a promotion and graduation requirement in elementary school, in middle school, and in high school. And we think that's going to help change the relationship between kids and kids, and frankly, between kids and community as well, because people out in the community will begin to see the youngsters differently and I think create a different atmosphere for them to live in.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Well, thank you all four very much.


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