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Dave Sutton
Question: I understand that President Obama is going after the use of offshore tax havens by U.S. corporations. My gut feeling is that he's right to do this, but I've never really heard both sides of the argument. Is there a good reason why corporations should be able to avoid paying taxes by renting a mailbox in the Cayman Islands? Paul Solman: First off, Dave, the main thrust of Obama's proposal is to prevent U.S. firms from writing off their foreign expenses -- on a factory in low-tax Ireland, say -- while never paying taxes on its profits, by reinvesting them in the Emerald Isle. Ireland's corporate tax rate is 12 percent; the U.S., as high as 39 percent. The arguments against THIS aspect of the Obama proposal is that it will make U.S. firms less competitive against their foreign rivals and/or that it will prompt U.S. firms to quit the country entirely. There are further wrinkles but, trust me, elaborating on them would create forehead wrinkles for both of us. As for the mailbox "inversion" problem of re-incorporating in the Caymans, Barbados et al. (or just STARTING a business in such low- or non-corporate tax Edens), the argument against was made to me forcefully a few years ago by the CEO of Stanleyworks in Connecticut, John Trani, who was threatening to reincorporate there -- what's called a corporate INVERSION. "It costs us 70 cents to make a hinge in New Britain," Trani said. "Competition has driven it down to 35, and all retailers are buying this stuff from the competitors. So, here we are, we're losing money, hemorrhaging money. Our choice is two-fold: evaporate and go out of the business, or emigrate, move it outside where it's supposed to be so it can be competitive." Thereby keeping SOME work in America, Trani said -- marketing jobs, for example -- rather than none. -- Posted May 11, 2009 | Comments (5) | Permalink
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While it may be unethical for corporations to use tax havens to save on high taxes,
Its also bad for this current administration to absolutely refuse to lower the top corporate tax rate to at least be closer in line with Ireland.
Its mind boggling to think with all the expenses that these "big evil corporations" pay, they still have to dig deep to pay almost 40%
to the Federal Government, then you have state and local taxes, that's "legalized highway robbery"
If a company can't be competitive as a manufacturer then it needs to find another product line. If it wants to be a marketing company, it should just buy from it's competitors and market it.
As for the comment of digging deep to pay 40%, that's easy because it's profits--not an addition expense.
Cut out the corporate tax, which currently provides about 10% of total government revenue. Make up the difference by raising individual income tax (untaxed corporate profits will show up in capital gains and dividends, taxed at the stock holder level).
Hi Paul,
I'm slightly confused with your answer to off-shore tax havens. Did you answer the right question? Isn't off-shore tax havens one deal. Sending our American jobs to Ireland, well, isn't that a another deal? But maybe I'm focus.
And if I may add my two cents in a slightly different direction, off shoring our American jobs. With the huge disparity in labor costs, I really wonder if we, America and companies, need to work a little smarter way. That Stanley hinge for example, I wonder, was it being manufactured under the old method-- the old method being too much manual labor. My point: for certain Stanley products, maybe advance automation could be a better answer, and might, likely promote more or save American jobs, maybe like hi-tech jobs to boot.
Thanks
Robert Keefer
Ireland has a 21.5% tax on goods and services, that is why they can afford the lower corporate tax rate.