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MS. WOODRUFF: Next, we do turn to reaction to last night's
presidential debate, the second in a series of three. It was the first
official debate which allowed an audience of voters to pose their own
questions directly to the candidates. Immediately after the debate, Correspondent
Charlayne Hunter-Gault talked with our focus group of voters and asked
them about the effectiveness of the new format.
DR. WILLIAM EURE, Retired Physician, Republican, Hattiesburg, MS: This
format was designed for Bill Clinton. This is what he's been doing since
New Hampshire. This is how he pulled it out of the bog --
ANNE GREER, Real Estate Agent, Republican, Columbus, Ohio: Right.
DR. WILLIAM EURE: -- from New Hampshire on. And let's face it, George
Bush finds himself in the position he's in right now because of his going
back on his tax pledge. I'm real provoked at him about that. But -- and
what Bill Clinton says is good. It's too good. He gave absolutely no definitive
plan on how he was going to reduce the deficit. He said he would do it,
but gave no plan.
MS. HUNTER-GAULT: But many of you have been saying up to this point that
you didn't have specifics, and at the end of this debate, Bill Clinton
said, I have spoken specifically and pointedly about a lot of issues.
Did you hear more specifics and more to the point --
JAMBEY CLINKSCALES, Computer Technician, Democrat, New York City: I think
the questioner in the beginning that said to the candidates, could you
talk more to the issues, she was talking about how there had been a lot
of negative criticism and mudslinging, and the moderator, Carole Simpson,
said, let's ask the voters, are you happy with the way the campaign has
been going, and they all said, no. And I think it kind of put all three
of the candidates on notice that tonight we don't want all this attack,
and attack, and attack, we want to really hear what you have to say, and
at the end of it, I thought that this was the first time that each of
them really had a chance to lay out some specifics.
JASON CONLEY, College Student, Republican, Wake Forest University: The
format really bothered me in the sense that I didn't like the moderator
injecting her personality in -- into this. And I also thought that the
randomness of the questions tended -- tended to give us a sort of bias,
and especially in the saliency of the questions, particularly to Perot,
and to -- and to Clinton. Some of those were tailor made, and one or two
for Bush. But still I don't want to see the degree of bias in the questions.
GWEN CLINKSCALES, Teacher, Independent, New York City: But I really enjoyed
the format. The first night it was so civil that no one was talking about
anything. And in this format, one person actually got to ask, well, what
is the recession, or what does the deficit, how does it affect you personally?
And I don't think in the format the first night that they debated, that
kind of question could have been asked.
JASON CONLEY: That's an emotional question. That's not -- not a rational
question.
STEPHEN HERRING, Substitute Teacher, Republican, Hattiesburg, MS: That's
not an issue. That's not an issue in the campaign -- how it's affected
him personally.
JASON CONLEY: -- really affected by the recession. I mean, these -- all
of these men, Ross Perot, President Bush, Bill Clinton, have been cloistered,
and they're very safe economically. I don't think that determines how
they can perform in the Oval Office.
MS. HUNTER-GAULT: But I think maybe implicit in the question was, how
can you hope to come up with something that responds to our needs if you
don't understand what we're going through.
JAMBEY CLINKSCALES: I think that's one of the questions that Clinton
answered the best of the three. There were some questions that maybe Bush
answered the best and that Perot answered the best, but that question
on the deficit was the one that he sat there and he got up and he walked
over to the woman and he had some specific examples to talk to her about
it because of what he has been doing.
MARTHA MacCORMACK, Teacher, Democrat, Denver: I'd like to say that what
I liked about the format, even though I can agree with Jason about how
it could have been biased because of the format, as I watched it, I felt
that they were interviewing for a job. You had three candidates. And I
sat there thinking if it was my company -- and it is my company -- it's
my country -- that I'm here to hire them. I don't have to like any one
of them, but these are the only three people that have applied.
MS. HUNTER-GAULT: There was also a lot of conversation tonight, a lot
of conversation about the economy and jobs. Did anything resonate to you
here in a decisive way?
ALLEN RAMSAY, Graduate Student, Independent, Wake Forest University:
I would say I'm still fence sitting. I'm extremely concerned about the
deficit. And I felt like Clinton delineated a lot of new programs and
he did a very good job explaining them and being very specific, but they
also sounded extremely expensive. And I can't stress enough my concern
over something like that, and the tax and spend reputation that the Democrats
have. Also, he seemed overly sensitive to the audience, and it gave him
a fake feeling from me, and that didn't do much to help me believe him.
ROBIN GANZERT, Accountant, Democrat, Winston-Salem, NC: I disagree. I
think that just added to his sincerity and his credibility. I feel like
he was much more sincere, especially in response to that one woman's question
about how has the recession affected you, Bush seemed very fake. On the
other hand, by saying he had actually gone to a black church and read
the -- the little pamphlet, bulletin about teen-age pregnancies, well,
he has to read a church bulletin about teen-age pregnancies, whereas Clinton
actually came across very sincere. He's been out talking with the people.
He has been affected and seen.
DR. WILLIAM EURE: I don't think -- it's not so much what President Bush
said. It was the presentation that -- that Gov. Clinton came forth with,
where I simply couldn't see through his plans to see how it would affect
this without raising taxes on everybody.
MS. HUNTER-GAULT: But -- go ahead.
JAMBEY CLINKSCALES: A couple of people have said just now that they don't
see how Clinton is going to pay for this, but he specifically said out
there -- he listed five things that his educational proposal would do,
and then he walked away from it. Somebody in the audience said, well,
how are you going to pay for that, and he came back, and he said, specifically
in my plan, it talks about how I'm going to pay for this. So I -- I don't
hear this -- this tax and spend proposal. First of all, he has plans,
so you have to find some way to finance them, but his budget proposal
has ways in there to pay for that. So I think that that's a false claim
to say that it's the same thing over again about tax and spend.
ROBIN GANZERT: And it also has been approved by nine Nobel Peace Prize
winners, you know, his economic plan, as well as 500 economists, which
is much more than the Bush plan.
SCOTT MacCORMACK: If you have 11 economists in a room, you're going to
have 11 different opinions. The problem - -
JAMBEY CLINKSCALES: Well, how is anybody going to pay for any of these
proposals if they don't have some way -- it's just like saying, you can't
have any new plans, because if you have any new plans, it's going to raise
the deficit.
JASON CONLEY: The problem with government, new government spending is
that these new government programs tend to snowball, and you -- you tend
to have ingrained bureaucracy as a result, and are much more difficult
to remove than they are to -- to not implement in the first place. And
if you want to reduce the deficit, you're not going to be able to do that
with all these new programs, because they're going to be fixed costs.
MS. HUNTER-GAULT: All right. How about the next debate, is that, you
do think given what's happened to your own mind during these last three
debates, do you think the next debate's going to get you any closer?
JAMBEY CLINKSCALES: Well, Clinton has moved me a little bit tonight with
his sincerity, and it seems that Bush had settled on blaming the Congress
for not getting his bills enacted, so it seems as though if Clinton can
hold his own and if Bush doesn't come up with something really, really
dramatic, then I'm still going to be leaning towards Clinton.
DR. WILLIAM EURE: You can say what you will about the format, but I think
the format made this a more civil debate.
MS. HUNTER-GAULT: And the answer to the question -- well, you already
are declared --
DR. WILLIAM EURE: I'm already leaning pretty strongly to Bush.
MS. HUNTER-GAULT: And the next debate for you, do you think you're almost
there?
MARTHA MacCORMACK: I'm hoping that Clinton sells himself, and I'm hoping
that he can come out, giving me specifics, clarify the tax and spend so
that I'm not nervous about it, and not make anyone look bad, but can he
really sell himself?
SCOTT MacCORMACK: I will make my mind up after the last debate. I'm close.
I'm tired of this too. I'm worn out, and I will decide.
ANNE GREER: Well, in the next debate if Mr. Perot stays as strong as
he has been, I will vote for him because what he says is what I feel and
what I believe.
MS. HUNTER-GAULT: Jason.
JASON CONLEY: Well, my mind's already made up. It looks like Bush.
ALLEN RAMSAY: Like they say, I'm not convinced that any of them are great
candidates, but you have to pick one.
MS. HUNTER-GAULT: But by this debate tonight, will you -- did you get
any closer?
ALLEN RAMSAY: To a decision? No.
MS. HUNTER-GAULT: Robin Ganzert.
ROBIN GANZERT: My mind's almost already made up as well. I'm with Jason,
except I'm for Clinton.
MS. HUNTER-GAULT: And Gwen Clinkscales.
GWEN CLINKSCALES: I'd like to put a check next to Clinton, and if he
can give us a little more specifics about how to -- how he's going to
plan to pay for these programs, I'm -- I think he has my vote.
STEPHEN HERRING: I'm still convinced that Clinton cannot do what he wants
to do without raising taxes because of his plan, and -- and I was impressed
with Bush admitting that raising taxes was a mistake, and that that was
not the way to clear it up. So I'm leaning toward Bush.
MS. HUNTER-GAULT: All right. Well, we'll see you at the next debate.
Thank you.

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