Visit Your Local PBS Station PBS Home PBS Home Programs A-Z TV Schedules Watch Video Support PBS Shop PBS Search PBS

February 6, 1996
TOM BLANTON, EDITOR OF "WHITE HOUSE E-MAIL"

Three presidents have tried--and failed--to keep America from reading White House e-mail. But editor Tom Blanton and the non-governmental National Security Archive won a five-year legal battle to force the release of computer communications that flowed through the national security offices from 1980 to 1992.

Blanton has published these findings in "White House E-Mail: The Top-Secret Computer Messages The Reagan/Bush White House Tried to Destroy." Tom Blanton is available at nsarchiv@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu.

The highly emotional and often humorous e-mail contains seat-of-the-pants judgements and instant responses to world shaking issues.

Click to see a Forum Menu.


A question from Ben Howard of Silver Springs, Maryland

With this court decision allowing public access to White House e-mail, officials will be much more careful in the future... even to the point of becoming overly secretive, not allowing the public to read and hear things we've had access to before (they were burnt by your book). As more technologically literate people come into office, they may use sophisticated encrypton methods to keep communications private. Is encrypton legal if it bars access to public documents?

To Ben Howard:

I agree that there is a danger from too much public exposure of official decision-making that they will become less candid and more secretive, thus creating fewer records for history or for contemporary accountability. But I also believe that at least two very significant dynamics work the other way. First, the new electronic information technologies themselves are creating a much larger historical record of governmental decisions than we've had before. Few people talk about the notion of the "paperless office" anymore, now that it's clear that computers actually increase the amount of paper we all see, making possible infinite duplication of documents and practically infinite numbers of recipients. The White House implemented an e-mail system in the early 1980's because it was becoming impossible to catch high officials on the phone, or coordinate the schedule of meetings -- the large bureaucracy couldn't function without these records, and now they're being saved, because of our lawsuit.

Second, our laws recognize that the danger diminishes with time, making public Presidential records for example within 5 to 12 years after a President leaves office. Other statutes like the Freedom of Information Act allow withholding (but not forever) of records on grounds that release would chill candid advice-giving within the government. As to your concern about encryption, it is the case that many government records are already encrypted -- I'm thinking of the electronic intercepts related to the Rosenberg case that were recently declassified by the National Security Agency for example -- but that doesn't remove them from coverage by the records statutes. The government will still have to process these records under Freedom of Information or other public release procedures just as they currently process highly classified documents for release. Encryption may make it harder and more expensive, and there, we taxpayers will foot the bill.

********************************************

A question from Richard Fisher of Scarsdale, New York

How did you decide what to include in your book? You had to put the e-mail into context, do you feel you did that successfully? At which points did you feel uncomfortable or unable to provide the full picture?

To Richard Fisher:

A good question, one faced by every author or editor. I picked the 250 e-mail messages printed in the book and the additional 250 in ASCII on the diskette from a universe of about 4500 White House e-mail messages that have been declassified to date, half of them from the various Iran-contra investigations, and half from our lawsuit. The ones from our lawsuit we picked from an abbreviated listing of about 42,000 messages written and received by several dozen top White House officials between 1982 and 1989. We had the TO and FROM and DATE and SUBJECT lines for the 42,000, and used several criteria to ask for the 2500 full texts to be declassified: Were the authors and recipients high-level actors? Were the dates significant in terms of world events or White House events? Were there related messages that gave us a clue as to the content? Were the subjects of widespread public interest, like "Gorbachev visit" or "Iran-Iraq war" or "Star Wars" etc.? Because much of the Iran-contra story had already been told, the vast majority of messages I included in the book were from this sample of 2500, which was released to us just from August 1994 through April 1995. I then had to piece together related e-mail, because the releases were in no order whatsoever, not even by date. And yes, I was frequently frustrated in not having the preceding or following messages. In my annotations, I flag the messages where I really lacked the context to tease out the full meaning, but in most cases I was able to put together enough context from other documents or public records even to figure out the shorthand used by the White House staff.

My bottom line was to try and give an e-mail portrait of how the White House really worked in the 1980's, at least in the national security area where most of the e-mail came from, in the contemporaneous words written by staffers who believed the e-mail would never see the light of day.

********************************************

A question from Myra Weinberg of Bethesda, Maryland

Where do we draw the lines? Is anyone's e-mail private? (the president's?) I don't think this is a practical way to run a government. I don't want to know every petty quarrel and irrelevant joke.

To Myra Weinberg:

I think the lines are pretty well drawn, at least where government e-mail is concerned. It's in the private sector that we have more problems, and fewer legal protections. Let me explain. As a country, we have set up fairly elaborate legal guidelines for government records, in order to protect personal privacy, in order to allow public accountability, in order to save important records for posterity. Especially since Watergate, our democracy has insisted that the White House of all places has to be extra-accountable, precisely because it is so powerful. Specific records laws require the President to save historically valuable records.

Through our lawsuit, we persuaded the courts to apply these laws to e-mail as well, and I think my book shows how substantive much of the e-mail really was. The President's e-mail, by law, is not private over the long run, even though much of it can remain classified and closed to the public for years after he leaves office. Yours and my e-mail are in a different category. The problem for us is that our e-mail is only protected legally when it is transmitted across a network (under the 1986 Electronic Communications Privacy Act), but not when it exists solely within an internal network. The Epson Computer company for example fired an employee based on her supervisor reading her internal e-mail (that she thought was private), and then won the lawsuit at the California Supreme Court level on the basis that the computers belonged to the company and so did her time, so the company's systems operators had the right to read her e-mail. I think one lesson from the White House e-mail case is that we all should know who our systems operators are, and where our e-mail actually exists in terms of backups and servers.

I do hear your point about jokes in the book, but I included a chapter called "White House Mess" with e-mail practical jokes, flirting, office parties and the like because I was surprised at how much of this kind of e-mail there was -- we had specifically asked for only the most substantive material -- and I thought the public had the right to know that even White House e-mailers are human too.

********************************************

A question from Stephanie Schragger of Lawrenceville, New Jersey

Did the e-mail contain things we didn't know before? Will it be used as evidence in any upcoming trials?

To Stephanie Schragger:

To give you a short answer, I would cite the New York Times headline on their news story about the book: "Revelations@White House." The long answer would list the e-mail showing how Colin Powell and other top Reagan administration officials helped "stiffen up" Saddam Hussein in the 1980's, how John Poindexter and Ollie North made a secret deal with Noriega to help "clean up his image" in return for sabotage in Nicaragua, how the Justice Department went along with a White House plan for a reduced sentence for a convicted cocaine conspirator for fear he would "spill the beans" about CIA covert operations in Honduras, how Robert Dole double-crossed the Reagan White House on a key Congressional vote (they commented "read Presidential candidate at work"), how Ross Perot "sandbagged" another Reagan initiative on the POW/MIA issue, and many many more.

What these e-mail really tell the reader is how top White House staff talked to each other when they thought no one else was listening, and that in and of itself amounts to quite a civics lesson. No, I don't think these e-mail are being used in any current or upcoming trials, since it's too late for any of the Poindexter-North et. al. court cases; but I do find it fascinating that a number of candid Clinton White House e-mail messages have figured in the Whitewater hearings to date.

********************************************

A question from Jessica Bar of Portland, Oregon

What kind of arguments did you use in court? How did the courts classify the e-mail medium? Have other cases like this come up before? What are the legal precedents?

To Jessica Bar:

The heart of the legal argument over the White House e-mail was whether e-mail even qualifies as records under federal law. My organization, the National Security Archive at George Washington University, believed the e-mail was substantive enough, based on the Iran-contra e-mail that Ollie North had written, that it should be saved for history. The government took the position (and I should say that President Reagan's staff took it first, led by then National Security Adviser Colin Powell) that the e-mail was the equivalent of phone message slips, not records. The National Archives & Records Administration did not have the backbone to contradict the White House, and went along with the planned destruction of the e-mail backup computer tapes from the Reagan years. We found out and went to federal court the night before Bush's inauguration, and won an injunction against the destruction.

Within days, we had signed up the leading historical associations and the American Library Association as co-plaintiffs in the case, and from January 1989 through the final appeals court decision in August 1993, the government (through the attorneys for three Presidents) stuck to the message slip argument, despite the mounting evidence (much of it ordered released by the court) that the e-mail was highly substantive, and in many cases represented the only record in existence of certain policy discussions and decisions. No previous court case had ever dealt with e-mail, but we had some good precedent in the Watergate tapes case, in that those were also electronic media, and the records statutes since the Watergate tapes all referred to government records in electronic formats.

I should say that the Watergate metaphor proved very helpful to the federal judges who ruled on the case; after all, if the White House succeeded in destroying the backup computer tapes, the result would be a gap considerably greater than the 18 and 1/2 minutes missing from the Nixon tapes. I recommend the court decision from August 1993, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, which is cited in my bibliography in the book, for a complete listing of all the relevant legal authorities and a precise summary of the legal arguments on both sides.

********************************************

A question from Daniel Hand of Los Angeles, CA

Is there any law, regulation, or ruling that requires public offices such as the White House to retain their e-mail as a public record, or is it merely something that has been done as a matter of course? I recall Oliver North trying to delete all of his e-mail unsuccesfully (or was it Poindexter...?), but the messages being recovered from his hard disk later. Was that just due to the fact that he was ignorant about what it is that happens to deleted files?

To Daniel Hand:

Before our lawsuit there was no ruling that required the government to retain its e-mail, and it was not retained. What we succeeded in doing was getting the courts to apply the laws already on the books, most of which had comprehensive definitions of the concept of "records" to be saved that included electronic formats, to e-mail. Now, the National Archives has issued -- under court order in our case -- new regulations that apply not only to the White House but to all federal agencies requiring the archiving of e-mail. This will not mean that all e-mail will be saved, for in fact, less than 5% of all government paper records are saved for history. But now e-mail will be appraised by professional archivists, saved where appropriate, included in agencies' information management regulations, and recognized as records across the government.

Your mention of Ollie North is right on target. That last weekend he spent at the White House he called up over 750 of his e-mail messages from his segment of the mainframe computer memory, and deleted them one at a time. John Poindexter did the same, for over 5,000 of his messages. According to later testimony at their respective trials, Ollie did not know that the messages were saved on nightly backup tapes, while Poindexter did know. But Poindexter also knew the backup tapes were only kept for a couple of weeks, and then recycled and overwritten with new backup data.

A career military officer, Lt. Col. Patrick McGovern, who has never gotten credit until I published this story in my book, set aside the backup tapes instead of recycling after Poindexter and North were fired, and that's how the investigators were able to put back together the e-mail trail. That part of the Iran-contra story only made me more angry in January 1989, when the Reagan White House tried to erase all the backups. If we hadn't won our court order, the Reagan staff including Colin Powell all of whom tried to distance themselves from North and Poindexter, would have succeeded where Ollie and John got caught. I guess it's also a lesson for all of us to find out where our backups are and where our own e-mail might be living on.

===========================================

ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS

A selected sample of responses from our visitors, provided in addition to those answered by Tom Blanton.

John Caruso, Alpharetta, GA

I managed an e-mail system for several years at a mid-size corporation and always told users that e-mail was not secure OR private, so the debate on whether it should be kept private is irrelevant. If people want to communicate private matters to the White House, then they shouldn't use e-mail. Period. End of story.

********************************************

Bob Cronmiller, Erie, PA

I think that the government "e-mail" should be made available after about five years. Many issues can be more acurately viewed away from the day to day "game playing" of the government. One example is Mr. McNamara "coming clean" on the Vietnam situation. If the government can't be open it should not exist. I personally think that the CIA is not consistent with "our democracy".

********************************************

Randy McLeod, Athens, TN

Executive e-mail should be private. It is often necessary to discuss matters openly. Let's face it...this is not possible in the public forum. E-mail is a valuble tool that improves office efficiency. If all executive E-mail were to become public property it might as well be eliminated. This would have the effect of denying a valuable tool to our leadership. Encryption tools could be used but this adds to the time burden.



    REGIONS | TOPICS | RECENT PROGRAMS | ABOUT US | FEEDBACK |SUBSCRIPTIONS / FEEDS:
POD|RSS
SEARCH
Funded, in part, by:ChevronIntelBNSF RailwayWells FargoToyotaMonsantoCorporation for Public Broadcasting
            Support the kind of journalism done by the NewsHour...Become a member of your local PBS station.
PBS Online Privacy Policy

Copyright ©1996- MacNeil/Lehrer Productions. All Rights Reserved.