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Transcript: Update: Troubled Lands
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David Rubin Transcript

BILL MOYERS: We have some new information about a piece we did earlier in the year on Israeli settlements in the West Bank. Our producer went back to see how some attitudes and daily life have changed.

DAVID RUBIN, SHILOH SETTLER: During Operation Defensive Shield the government sent in the army to several of the autonomous cities of the PA, a lot of progress was made, but it has to be put into perspective. There is still danger, there is still risk.

MARK, SHILOH SECURITY CHIEF: People are driving less on the roads, we are taking the armored buses more. And unfortunately, we've gotten to the situation where people are going out with bullet proof vests. People have not felt safer as of yet.

DAVID RUBIN: Since my son and I were injured in the terrorist attack, we've been taking the buses a lot more just to reduce the risk.

MARK: School children are a favorite target among the terrorists in the area. School children and people in un-armored cars. That's their favorite.

LISA RUBIN: You worry about your children living here where we live over the green line, but I am more worried about my son who is walking around Jerusalem today.

MARK: When the intifada started over a year and a half ago, the people of Israel realized that the violence wasn't just directed towards those of us who live on the other side of the fence. They realized that the violence was directed at everybody.

LISA RUBIN: People are saying put up a fence, but you could jump over the fence. You know, those who want to blow themselves up to kill more Jewish people are going to blow themselves up and kill more Jewish people whether they are in a fence or outside of a fence.

DAVID RUBIN: All the talk about the settlements being the obstacle to peace are unrealistic. Its ignoring the main issue, the main issue is that we have a hostile Arab population living in the land of Israel that is hostile to our very presence here.

MARK: If the solution to peace was for us to get up and leave, would I be willing to move? Is an interesting question. If they promised me total peace, total peace if we were to leave this area, my internal feeling would be it would be ripping my heart out.

DAVID RUBIN: If the Arabs are not willing to live in peace with us, they need to be transferred over the borders. There are 23 Arab states surrounding us. They have a lot of land. They have a lot more land than we do, that's for sure.

When one says to me how do you propose to move the populations over the border if they don't want to go. I return the question back to them and I say, what do you propose to do when you talking about transferring Jews from the settlements? What if the Jews don't want to go, and are you morally right in doing so, when all we want to do is live here peacefully?

It's us or them. It can't be both.

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