Since the initial koshering, Rabbi Brun-Kestler’s visits (by contract he or another Seattle Va’ad rabbi can drop by at any time the bakery operates) are much shorter. He spends 20 minutes or so looking through the bakery and the warehouse “for what has changed, not what has stayed the same,” he says. Every few months he educates the staff on kosher standards, but he acknowledges that no system is perfect. He says, “If a mistake is made, the level of mistake should not mean disaster; it should just force a change in procedure to correct what went wrong for the future.”