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16. A Start...
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Burger King Corporation: Stephen Cerrone Executive Vice President, Human Resources 17777 Old Cutler Rd. Miami, FL 33157 Phone: 305-378-7011 Fax: 305-378-7262 I think this is Tammy's Burger King: Burger King 598 E Emmitt Ave Waverly, OH (740)947-7420 Local Banks: City Financial 228 Waverly Plz Waverly, OH (740) 947-2168 Fifth Third Bank 303 E Emmitt Ave Waverly, OH (740) 947-1102 First National Bank 220 Waverly Plz Waverly, OH (740) 941-3129 First National Bank 625 E 5th St Waverly, OH (740) 947-2991 First National Bank Of Waverly 107 N Market St Waverly, OH (740) 947-2136 Firstar 197 E Emmitt Ave Waverly, OH (740) 947-2183 Ohio Valley Bank Co 507 W Emmitt Ave Waverly, OH (740) 947-7718 Auto Repair: C & J Tire Auto Repair & Twng 26760 State Route 124 Waverly, OH (740) 289-3988 Heistads Garage 14471 US Highway 23 Waverly, OH (740) 947-7363 Siders Service Ctr 2589 Blain Hwy Waverly, OH (740) 663-4848 Streitenberger's Garage 314 W Emmitt Ave Waverly, OH (740) 947-4824 Vallery Ford 115 W Emmitt Ave Waverly, OH (740) 663-4455 Local Walmart: Wal-Mart 990 W Emmitt Ave Waverly, OH (740) 947-1700 Some Local Churches: 4th & Mullins Church Of Christ 209 S Mullins St Waverly, OH (740) 947-7122 Acord James W 422 Franklin Ave Waverly, OH (740) 947-5090 Anchor Of Hope Church Of God 215 E 2nd St Waverly, OH (740) 947-8086 Brownsville Christian Chapel 1528 Schaffer Rd Waverly, OH (740) 663-4706 Ch Christ In Christian Union 535 E 2nd St Waverly, OH (740) 947-2657 Community Church Of Christ 408 Walnut St Waverly, OH (740) 947-4845 Dailyville Freewill Baptist 3721 State Route 220 Waverly, OH (740) 947-9313 Dailyville Freewill Baptist Ch 33 Fish And Game Rd Waverly, OH (740) 947-9313 Family Life Fellowship Church 306 Bridge St Waverly, OH (740) 947-4823 First Baptist Church 303 E 3rd St Waverly, OH (740) 947-5175 First Baptist Church 5103 State Route 220 Waverly, OH (740) 884-4472 First Presbyterian Church 122 E North St Waverly, OH (740) 947-2905 Gospel Lighthouse Church 12209 State Route 104 Waverly, OH (740) 947-1024 Grace United Methodist Church 104 S High St Waverly, OH (740) 947-7508 Holy Trinity Church 328 Morningside Dr Waverly, OH (740) 947-5521

-- (Robert Haile)


17. Tammy
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Where can i send money to help Tammy out? For God's sake I can buy her a bike!

-- (Donna McElvoy)


18. tammy crabtree
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I think what's needed here is a bit of unification. Visit www.oprah.com I'm sure if we all "clicked in" somebody up there would do something to help her. In the meantime, I understand the frustration of it all, and the confusion she and her sons are under. I don't believe that being lazy is entirely the problem. While I admire his honesty, sadly I had a similar upbringing as an extreme outcast myself, and know what it's like to feel powerless. It takes time and learning to develop life skills, and without prejudice, none of them appeared to have any substantial life skills. It's evident they don't really WANT to be "where they are", but wanting is not enough, and with no one to teach them, no one gets anywhere. What they lack is resources, or at least, the ability to find them.

-- (Christopher)


19. Tammy
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I was very touched by Tammy's story and her plight. I hope the people monitoring this site are telling her how much positive response she's gotten! I also feel sorry for her son, who's ashamed of his mom and his home compared to that of his friends. That is the dilemma of rising above your social class.

-- ()


20. tammy crabtree
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I'm going to send out some e-mails today in regard to Tammy and possibly make a couple of phone calls. In the meantime: DEAR PBS, you brought her to us and she touched our hearts. Please help us help her. I am assuming Tammy has no bank accounts, so I was wondering if you could get her permission to post her mailing address so some of us could send money orders to her directly, until we get a plan formulated. God, I hope the lady knows how to cash a money order. The weather is getting colder and wetter. She needs warm clothing and a raincoat. Teenagers, like her sons, are usually eating machines and food costs a lot. And how long before she runs into a 2-legged predator? If anybody has any success in this quest, please post it here. And where are all those classy rich people when you need them?

-- (Joe Higareda)


21. To those who want to help Tammy
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In response to the outpouring of interest in helping Tammy Crabtree, The Center for New American Media (the film's producers) has set up a method for making monetary contributions. If you'd like to make a small donation: Either send a money order in her name to our address (589 8th Ave, 21st Floor, NY, NY 10018); or send a check to THE CENTER FOR NEW AMERICAN MEDIA (which is tax-deductible) and we will convert it to cash for her. You may enclose a note and we'll forward it to her. We have not yet set up a way to make non-monetary contributions. However, if you are interested in making such a contribution, please send an email to: classinamerica@aol.com. Thanks for your generosity.

-- (The Center for New American Media)


22. Thanks
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That's terrific! Is there any way to email those that have offered help but may not return to the discussion page to find out about this?

-- (Robert Haile)


23. Don't exalt Tammy!
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Tammy's life is the product of her choices. She could have learned from her parents' experience not to have so many kids, and certainly not to have any until she is financially ready. But, instead, she had 4 kids -- which, by today's standards, is a lot! (22 kids is absolutely obscene, in my opinion.) But not only did she choose to have 4 kids, she chose a deadbeat type of guy to father them. (The documentary didn't ask where the father is, but, unless he's deceased, I don't feel sorry for her!) She's kidding herself if she's ever going to get anywhere working at Burger King. She'd be better off back on welfare, attending school full-time. I felt sorry for her son who was so ashamed of her and the mess he had to live in; I could definitely relate to his feelings. It's not the kids' fault that the house and yard is such a mess; it takes money to clean it up, fix it up, haul the garbage away. As far as walking to work every day is concerned, well, it is time-consuming, but she's in much better physical condition than most Americans are, certainly than most poor Americans. Don't feel sorry for her, and don't give her money or gifts. She chose this life. She's an adult, and it's her responsibility to take care of herself and her kids. Instead, give money to organizations that help single mothers help themselves. (I just hope her ambitious son does rise in class in 5-10 years, and never looks back.) Oh, by the way, if you're wondering, I grew up poor (yes, food stamps poor) and rose in class from my own hard work. It's not only possible, it's the only real way to do it.

-- (EJ)


24. Blessed are the poor, like Tammy
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King James Version of the Bible Book of Matthew Chapter 5 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. --------------------- I believe that all of our efforts on Tammy's behalf show that there is hope for mankind, after all. God bless you all.

-- (sheila)


25. Tammy
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Sent e-m to Oprah show. My check is in the mail. With all the millions of dollars raised for survivors of recent national tragedy, there has to be a tiny bit more money for Tammy and family -- they need so many things. Wish a dentist would fix her teeth for free. anitaglenn@webtv.net

-- (Anita G. Whitlock)


26. Tammy
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For God's sake E.J., take your venom elsewhere. Take your medication! Someday we may be doing this for you in spite of your cold onyx heart. There are other headings that could accomodate your b.s., but certainly not here and not against Tammy. You know nothing about her experiences yet you judge. You are frightening. My money order is in the mail for her but I'm budgeting a little extra in case you reach out in your next crisis. May the higher power have mercy on you.

-- (Joseph)


27. Tammy
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My office e-mail address is jhigareda@playboy.com in case we decide to contact each other and see this Tammy thing thing through. Thanx, youse guys all (almost all) are made of the right stuff.

-- (Joe Higareda)


28. Feels good, doesn't it?
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Joseph: This is the whole point of charity -- not to make Tammy's life better, but to make you feel better about your own. It's obvious to me that the reason you give money to poor people is to solidify your place upon your class pedestal. You think you're superior to Tammy, and that's why you're sending her money. If you really thought you and she were equals, you wouldn't. This is also why you think you're superior to me: notice that you assumed that I am going to need help just because I grew up poor, and you're the one to supply it to me. Feh! It could just as easily be the other way around, but you just naturally assume you'll always be financially superior. Charity exists to ease the guilt of the upper classes -- NOT to ease the suffering of the lower classes. (Now, as far as the kids are concerned, that's a different story. If you insist on donating money, at least give it to them in the form of a scholarship fund. They aren't responsible yet; their mother is.)

-- (EJ)


29. Tammy Crabtree
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I also sent an email to Oprah. Appreciate the opportunity that the Center for New American Media is offering, but if I were in Tammy's situation, I think I'd appreciate a support network as well. I may be off base, but an established resource such as Oprah's (or a community resource) seems to be a better vehicle for helping out, since they may be able to follow up. Being blessed with the wherewithal to give, it is true that it is a blessing to those who do so.

-- (CC)


30. Personalizing Class
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It's remarkable how people resopnd to a tangible example of a pervasive situation. While you all send donations to Tammy there are hundreds of people just like her in her part of southern Ohio, thousands in the state and thousands more in your community. We all pass them by every day and think nothing of the struggles they face. We don't hear or see what their daily lives are like. We talk to the menu boards in the drive-throughs and don't spare a thought for the folks who are flipping the burgers and cleaning the floors in our towns.

-- (Martin)


31. I Say Thank You and I Mean It
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Not everyone passes by with a cold heart when they see their neighbors in need. When I come into contact with the working poor, I say "Thank You" and I mean it. I really mean it, and they know I do. I have been in that situation; stuck by circumstances in a low paying, dead-end job. And I have come into contact with some, like E.J., who hate the poor. And I help my neighbors in need when I can. I give them rides to work when their cars aren't working. How anyone could be so cold and cruel as to blame Tammy for her poverty and hate her for it is difficult to comprehend. I don't know from where E.J.'s bitterness originates, but I don't beleive for a second he/she has any real first hand knowledge of real poverty. If he/she did, E.J. would know that many in prolonged poverty become clinically depressed, compounding the situation. Good for you E.J. You say you worked your way out of poverty. I don't believe it, or you wouldn't have the attitude that you do. Not everyone has the personal resources to work their way out of poverty. To hate them for that is insane. People make mistakes. Things don't always work out the way we'd like. To blame Tammy for her parents' choice to have so many kids, or for the father of her kids not being present, is cruel. I didn't see Tammy begging and with her hand out or blaming anyone for her situation. That's what struck me. Yes, many bring poverty upon themselves by the bad choices they make. We should, as a society, seek to correct that. We should also do what we can to help those around us that have desparate need, when we can. Illegitmacy, dead-beat dads, and lack of education, substance addiction, need to be addressed, but not by hating the poor. And yes, I'm doing this, in part because it makes me feel good. What's wrong with that? I'm also going to send Tammy money because I know it will help her, too. I agree there should be some supervision and follow-up to see what gifts Tammy might receive are spent wisely. I've done things like this in the past and will in the future. Sometimes it's aid to specific people and sometimes to communities and organizations that help them. Sometimes people like Tammy slip through the cracks and get no meaningful aid from community or government resources. I'm not some bleeding heart liberal (in fact, I'm not a liberal at all) that gives money to every panhandler I see, nor do I think money alone will solve the problem of poverty around the world. E.J. seems to think we should just watch people starve, and taunt them while they are, for screwing up in life, or not having the ability to rise above their situation. And, no, we can't help every Tammy in the world, but we can help this one.

-- (Robert Haile)


32. Tammy
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E.J., why are you hiding behind initials? This is my last comment to you because there are laws and penalties for online harassers. (Like You.) I hope your hard drive isn't layered with sent hate mail, because the boys in black suits are probably looking at your rubbish as I write. You yourself are the one that feels superior to Tammy because you escaped poverty with assistance. If you really listened, Tammy refuses to go on the dole like you did. And now you judge. You Continue Being Very Needy because you need constant attention, and have probably learned that a sure-fire way to get it is to poke people in the eye. Because your twisted way of thinking is pure textbook Antisocial Personality (as in sociopath), it's a waste of time to converse with you and others like you. What makes you think that all of these good people haven't already considered your points and rejected them. Now please, step aside and let us do what somebody in the past has done for you. Reminder: I will no longer read your rants.

-- (Joseph Higareda)


33. Another Thought
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I wish Tammy's sons all the luck in the world in their efforts to rise above their materially impoverished upbringing. I'd rather be dirt poor and have a good relationship with my mother than to be better off materially and have no relationship with her. "What does it benefit a man to gain the world and lose his soul?"

-- (Robert Haile)


34. A Helping Hand
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Tammy Crabtree's plight broke my heart. I'm glad to see it touched the hearts of others. Too bad EJ has so little empathy for Tammy, especially since claiming to have a similar background. Perhaps if someone reached out a hand when EJ needed it he/she wouldn't be so bitter today. Thank you to The Center for New American Media for making it possible for us to hold a hand out to Tammy.

-- (Jean)


35. E.J. Did Receive A Handout
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If one can believe his/her remarks, E.J. did receive a handout in the form of welfare. E.J. probably has a nicer home, maybe a decent car, and a decent job now, but I have to wonder how his/her relationship is regarding his/her parents. I think the guilt he/she claims is motivating those of us who want to help, is all his/hers.

-- (Robert Haile)


36. As A Practical Matter
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I decent bike, as someone suggested might be a good, first step. It would be quite easy for someone like Tammy to get taken by a mechanic; spend several hundred dollars on her car repairs only to keep pouring money into it and have it repeatedly break down. Possibly, it is a solid car that will run well and for a long time with a few repairs, but it also might be a money pit. A local contact, maybe a church, or community organization would be so beneficial.

-- (Robert Haile)


37. Also...
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Some have remarked that there are so many poor, like Tammy. I agree. There are many. I've been around, and seen a lot. I can't say that I've ever seen anyone as poor as Tammy trying so hard to make it on her own.

-- (Robert Haile)


38. For Tammy
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I have just sent $100 for Tammy to The Center for New American Media. Last night when I saw the film I promised God that if I could find a way to locate Tammy I would help her. Well, I have found a way and my check is in the mail. I feel so blessed that I am able to give something, even if it's only $100, to her. I hope that with this money, and other donations, she can buy a car.

-- (Enrique)


39. Cross-posting
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I have copied this posting from another discussion in case those of you contributing to this thread missed it: As a special education school counselor and teacher in California, originally from Buffalo, NY, I was rather taken back by "Tammy" who seems to have Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and likely an IQ of probably around 35 to 40. Is it "fair" to put the mentally retarded into this "class presentation" as an example of the "lowest class living in a trailer in the back woods?" How sad are we? And then her neighbors make fun of her? Obviously, they don't have very good manners! -- (Mary Baker Bernhardt Flynn, of the Mohawk "Turtle" clan. )

-- (Martin)


40. Cross-posting
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I have copied this posting from another discussion in case those of you contributing to this thread missed it: As a special education school counselor and teacher in California, originally from Buffalo, NY, I was rather taken back by "Tammy" who seems to have Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and likely an IQ of probably around 35 to 40. Is it "fair" to put the mentally retarded into this "class presentation" as an example of the "lowest class living in a trailer in the back woods?" How sad are we? And then her neighbors make fun of her? Obviously, they don't have very good manners! -- (Mary Baker Bernhardt Flynn, of the Mohawk "Turtle" clan. )

-- (Martin)


41. You're all just using Tammy
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You're all just using Tammy to feel better about your own lot in life, and you know it. There are millions -- billions -- of poor people in the world, and what are you doing to help them? You're only "helping" Tammy because you saw her on TV. How pathetic is that? What about all the poor people who haven't had the luck of appearing on TV to win your sympathy? The battle against poverty should be fought on political ground, not through one-time charity. (Will you send Tammy money in a year from now? Five years? Ten years? She'll probably still need it then, too.) Your money would be better spent on politicians who support a progressive tax structure and educational equity, scholarships, small business incubators, and microlending organizations. I don't approve of anyone reproducing four times in this overpopulated world, *especially* when they can't afford to support their kids -- it's not fair to their kids or to anyone else. As for me, I never went on public assistance; my parents did, briefly. (This is why I don't blame kids for their parents' bad mistakes. Tammy should have learned from the mistakes of her own parents, but didn't.) Yes, I did grow up very poor -- you probably couldn't imagine it. I am appalled by your Christian liberal do-gooder philosophy that doesn't even allow you to believe that I grew up poor, just because I disapprove of Tammy's bad choices and her irresponsibility. I am allowed to voice my opinion in this forum. I haven't harassed anyone in particular. We still have freedom of expression in this country, and if you don't like it, then leave. (Try Afghanistan.) And, speaking of leaving, Iím outta here. Have fun making assumptions about me in my absence. Bye.

-- (EJ)


42. Focusing on Tammy
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You're right EJ. You do have the freedom to voice your opinion even if your pious judgments sadden me. I wish you well and turn my focus back to helping Tammy.

-- (Jean)


43. I Pity You, E.J.
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Talk about pathetic. So, because there are other poor people we shouldn't help those we can? You don't approve of the form of our help, so you're not going to do anything except make an ass of yourself. Yes, this is a free country, and you're free to spew your mean spirited, ill-informed views. And I'm free to say your a callus misanthrope, and the poverty within you is much worse than the poverty Tammy lives with but all the money in the world can't help you. You must know something about poverty. You certainly got a poor education. We're using Tammy? How about you using us because you're too cheap to seek professional counseling? Go work out your personal frustrations some where else. I know people like you. You say you're leaving, and how I wish it were true, but you're going to come back to see what people have said about you. Leaving is the only positive thing you've done here. And Joe is right. Only a coward enters a discussion looking for a fight without signing his full name.

-- (Robert Haile)


44. Use or abuse?
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Astonishing. When the subject is middle class or wealthy, the appropriateness of the footage goes unquestioned. But when the subject is poor, the footage is immediately labeled as exploitative (and this, despite being free of sad music, sympathetic clucks and cheap edits!). Sorry, but typically there are reasons for our social conditions..the poor are our immigrants, our minorities, our substance abuse victims, our uneducated/ignorant, our depressed/mentally ill: it makes sense that a given representative would fit some (if not all) of these descriptions. (I'm not advocating the pecking order here--but I am restating the obvious, that we'll never get anywhere in improving standards of living for all unless we understand why some end up (or begin) at the top, and some at the bottom.) Even if Tammy Crabtree IS a victim of fetal alcohol syndrome, does this make her voice any less deserving to be heard? does it make her any less capable of making the decision to air her grievances? Of course it does not, and I resent the implication that because she might(!!) have a low IQ, she is somehow less able to speak her mind, and her feelings. THAT conceit smacks more of censorship, superiority complex, and hiding-dust-under-the-rug than the "exploitation" of letting a desperately poor woman talk about being desperately poor, in so doing revealing (perhaps) some reasons for her plight. Tammy Crabtree may have spoken with broken teeth, but hell, she also spoke with eloquence, more eloquence than the rest of the speakers in PEOPLE LIKE US put together. I applaud the courage if took her and her family to tell their story, and the filmmakers' sensitivity and objectiveness toward their subject. I for one am adding my pennies to the fund, and will be doing more for my local disenfranchised. Perhaps charity is, after all, just a band-aid..but damn it, it's a step toward stopping the bleeding.

-- (Emi)


45. the above
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<> Um..objectivity, that is.

-- (Emi)


46. I am so happy to find a way to help Tammy
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I am so happy to find a way to help Tammy, I have been thinking about this proud woman ever since I saw the show. Nobody should have to live without a furnace. I admire anyone who walks 10 miles to work, good for you Tammy. Hold your head up High when you go. I will be sending a check.

-- (Patti)


47. Tammy
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Hi Robert Haile. I'm addressing my comments to you because I don't want Ms. EJ to think I'm addressing her (Brrrr). I have been staring at her words and style of writing, and this is what I can come up with (an amateur-engendered profile). EJ is a female in her twenties and probably lives with her father. She hates all women, but mothers in particular. She identifies strongly with teen males (which is natural, I suppose). She has visited mental institutions off and on. They can't help her because she's probably afflicted with adult ADHD syndrome which is attention deficit disorder with extreme defiance, and she refuses her medication. lower middle class people get that fancy diagnosis, the poor get a diagnosis of psychopathy (Antisocial personality...it's a personality pathology, not legal insanity). She enjoys negative-reaction attention because that's all she can get. She has no conscience. She probably graduated with a D-plus and her IQ is about 85 (which is the lowest range of normal), and she works at unskilled jobs. She's had run-ins with the law. She wants freedom of speech but is too cowardly to accept the responsibility of the consequences of free speech. SHE ASKED FOR OUR ASSUMPTIONS and this is mine. Even though I have a postgraduate degree in psych, this profile is conjecture and opinion strictly as an amateur, based on an unknown person's writing. PS: I doubt Tammy Crabtree has an IQ of 45 because she couldn't possibly be making the decisions she does with the IQ of a retarded person. Also, I don't like to address the ladies personally because I respect their need for privacy (but not including our resident demon), hence I'll say that you and Enrique and the other guys are cool dudes---liberal or conservative alike.

-- (Joe Higareda)


48. Thanks Joe
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You're right. This is not a liberal or conservative issue. This isn't some grand social solution to solving poverty in the world. It's about what little some of us can do to make such a huge difference in the life of one family. It won't permanently solve their problems, but it just might make things a little bit easier for a while. I don't have your education in psychology, but what do you think a psychiatrist would say about someone that claims to have experienced poverty and goes out of her way to attack and disrupt efforts of people trying to help someone that needs help; someone that exhibits such hatred of the poor and those wanting to help Tammy, and seeks to make herself the center of attention in a discussion about a specific illustration of need? I think E.J. is needy. She probably has a slightly above average I.Q., got decent grades in school, has at least part of a college education, but failed to realize that not all education takes place in a classroom or by reading a book. She failed to realize that all the education, intelligence and power in the world doesn't mean much without compassion for her fellow man and woman.

-- (Robert Haile)


49. Tammy
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Oops, I misrepresentd myself in my haste. I used "postgraduate" when I meant to say master's degree (and it's not in clinical work). I work for a world-renowned magazine. As to our friend, she didn't go away. She's rabble-rousing in the other Burger King site on the list. You know...Rabble without a pause.

-- (Joseph)


50. Where's the class?
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So, how do all these observations about Tammy (and EJ) relate to the issue of class? Is she (are they) as representative of a class as the folks at the Redneck Games? Are "lower class" people just as much a product of breeding as the WASPs claim to be? Surely we see people with disabilities in a class of their own. Would the country club crowd be just as appalled to see a person in a wheel chair as a short fat person? What about the less obvious disabilities we all encounter each day? Assuming EJ to be low middle or high class based on the sentements on these pages is about as unfair as the photo test. Is a girl on a barstool a hooker or a young professional relaxing on a summer afternoon?

-- (Martin)


51. I finally found this!
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I have been trying to track down info on Ms. Crabtree since I saw this show on 9-23-01. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who is concerned. Does anyone know just when this show was made? I wrote her a letter today, Just using Waverly, Ohio, for an Address. I had no idea there was this effort to help her. If someone has her address, please contact me at: tauni@adelphia.net. Thank You!! Tauni O'Toole

-- (Tauni O'Toole)


52. P.S.
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If I hear back from her, I'll let you all know.

-- (Tauni O'Toole)


53. If You Want To Help Tammy
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In response to the outpouring of interest in helping Tammy Crabtree, The Center for New American Media (the film's producers) has set up a method for making monetary contributions. If you'd like to make a small donation: Either send a money order in her name to our address (589 8th Ave, 21st Floor, NY, NY 10018); or send a check to THE CENTER FOR NEW AMERICAN MEDIA (which is tax-deductible) and we will convert it to cash for her. You may enclose a note and we'll forward it to her. We have not yet set up a way to make non-monetary contributions. However, if you are interested in making such a contribution, please send an email to: classinamerica@aol.com. Thanks for your generosity. -- (The Center for New American Media)

-- ()


54. Thank you, but...
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I'd also like to contact her myself in this instance. Or at least try to.

-- (Tauni O'Toole)


55. Tammy Crabtree
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I faxed Burger King's Stephen Cerrone, Executive Vice President, Human Resources, 17777 Old Cutler Road, Miami Florida 33157, Fax 305 378-7262 (Thanks to Robert Haile for the research). I reminded him that if my e-mail (and others) to Oprah culminates in Oprah presenting her to the public before Burger King has done anything for Tammy, BK might receive a black eye. On the other hand, if they direct her to a church or welfare agency before Oprah arrives, they will be held in higher regard by Burger King fans such as myself.

-- (Joe Higareda)


56. Great!
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Let us know what you hear back, if anything...

-- (Tauni O'Toole)


57. Tammy's too cool!
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I, too, had extreme admiration for Tammy. She's doing the most with the least of resources. I was feeling sad, wondering how I could help her at least get the car running. Now I've gotten the address and will send a money order. Her son has high ideals, and I wish him well. But, given the stigma of his social status, coupled with his speech patterns and crooked teeth, he will have trouble fitting into, or even getting into, college. He can't avoid being treated as his mother is (ridiculed), as much as he wants to be different. Anyone want to discuss/comment can email me at queenofniteej@hotmail.com.

-- (Elissa)


58. Tammy
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Hi Elissa. I apologize if I'm being presumptious, but are you E.J., the serial pest who's been mucking with us?

-- (Joe Higareda)


59. Elissa
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What address are you referring to? The one supplied by The Ctr for New Am. Media, above?

-- (Tauni O'Toole)


60. Tammy
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Tauni, at the time I asked you to look up entry 21, that was the only posting available with the address for donations. Now it's been posted in about two or three places. Yes, that's the only address available thus far. Joe.

-- (J.H.)


61. Tammy
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Can anyone tell me if there is an administrative fee deducted from the donation sent to the Center?

-- (Tauni)


62. Donations to the Tammy Crabtree Support Fund
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All money that is donated to the Tammy Crabtree Support Fund will go to Tammy.

-- ()


63. Others in similar situations
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First, let me thank the producers of this film, not only for bringing North American class issues into the spotlight for a few hours, but also for providing a forum for discussion. How often do we see things that touch us on television, but find we are alone with our new knowledge or feelings? Thank you all for sharing, for building an online community, however short- or long-lived. I think it is wonderful that so many people have expressed an interest in helping the Crabtrees. My question is, what can each of us do in our own communities to balance the rich/poor dichotomy, to make life easier for others? There are people all over the country who could use some help, be it financial, be it rides to work, literacy training, child care, meals on wheels, whatever. I'm interested in the positive action people are taking or are thinking about taking. I'd like to do more, but frankly don't know where to begin. Like most of you (I assume) I have work and my own daily stresses that often consume me, and the idea of reaching out to assist others can seem daunting. Perhaps we can inspire each other....

-- (Heather)


64. Tammy's addy
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Unfortunately, the letter I sent to Tammy via the Waverly, Ohio post office came back undeliverable, though they did indicate they tried to find her. Sigh...

-- (Tauni)


65. Why Don't Rich Guys Step Up??
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One millionaire alone could solve her problems without feeling the financial effects of it. H/she could buy her a house, her son braces and tutoring, a car, and college fund, and exposure to higher culture. How could any rich person see Tammy's situation and not feel compelled to do anything?

-- (Chris)


66. Tammy:Highlight of show
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I definetly got tears in my eyes when I saw Tammy. She deserves mad props! Its amazing to hear highschool girls driving SUV's and sports cars that mommy & daddy bought them and Tammy's walking 10 miles. Why do peopl critize her in past post in crazy. She got off welfare, she's got a job, and her kids are ambitous and well-adjusted. Not too shabby. Too bad this show was just a one time deal-- I'd like to see more. Id also be interested in doing makeovers-thats something Oprah would do tho.

-- (JTrinity26@aol.com)


67. Tammy and her children
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First, thank God for PBS, then thanks to The Center for New American Media for "Class in America." At the end of the segment, when Tammy was standing out in the yard looking back towards her home, and she stretched out her arms and said. ". . . I don't know what else to do.", I burst into tears. I am on a small, fixed income, but I intend to send what I can when I get my check on November 2nd. Thanks to all of you that are trying to help. Shame on EJ (and I think it's a male.) Why is it that those kinds of people find their way into discussions like this, to spread hate and discord? They are like terrorists.

-- (Marlene Adams-Phillips)


68. Tammy Crabtree
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Will there be any updating on Tammy's situation? I think that some of us who have been following this thread and who have contributed have a sincere interest in maintaining communication.

-- (Cecilia)


69. Tammy Crabtree
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Dear Marlene Adams-Phillips: After seeing your message above, concerning Tammy Crabtree, I feel bad for giving you such a trite answer in the other reel (Try being English...). Here's a better response. I dislike delusional fools who seriously believe thay are above the rest of us merely because of the accident of accessible wealth. Here's a very short list of powerful supercilious nitwits from the recent past who got confronted by poetic justice. Truman Capote began writing the truth about his upper-crust pals' morals... and he was shunned for life. (He never recovered from the schock.) 1960s Mega-star Troy Donahue, shortly before his death in September, was spotted for over a year as a homeless bum in Central Park. Former debutante Sydney Biddle Barrows was arrested for creating a prostitution ring. A former president's nephew allegedly murdered with a golf club, yet he's never seen the inside of a jail. The crown jewel in author Lang Phipps' family tree appears to be Lady Astor. In fact, according to an online bio, she was born dirt poor, the daughter of a rebel southern soldier. Her wealth was inherited from her 2nd husband. But beside all that---I love you for your generous spirit. Even though you state you have so little, you still managed to send a bit to Tammy. May God bless you and illuminate the path of prosperity for you. Joseph

-- (Joseph Higareda)


70. Not the same EJ
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I am not the EJ who was against anyone in any posts. I just happen to have the same initials.

-- (Elissa)


71. Poor People
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I don't know if this discussion group retains any active members but if so I hope to hear more reactions. I stumbled across this PBS documentary by accident. Being interested in such things as class divisions in our great American social order, I was captivated by the black middle class portion of the documentary I happened upon while flipping channels. Then came the "Tammy" story, which was especially interesting to me, particularly the portions with her children. There is an obvious fear, perhaps even hatred, of poverty in this country evident throughout the stories of the documentary. I find its manifestations particularly disturbing in the expressed aspirations of Tammy's son. I grew up in a not too disimilar situation myself amongst a community where poverty was an unspoken but determinant aspect of everyday reality. It seems obvious that social instituions like Burger King take precedence over an institution like family, and I wonder why. Why should I have been embarrassed that my mother worked a minimum wage job, supported four children, and lived in a trailer, when the ideal of success is what? To live in an impersonal house in the suburbs, eating t.v. dinners, sitting in front of another episode of friends, drinking a coke in anticipation of the next day's soccer practice? Such discriminating taste we all have. Personally, I find it difficult to see the difference anymore between being someone who can afford to eat at boston market and shop at the gap, and being someone who buys groceries with food stamps and shops at k-mart. This kid's conception of value is determined by circulating stories of social success that he has in fact probably never even witnessed except on television. He dreams of going to college, achieving "success", and making the most of himself; all such fantasitically vague notions of what life is supposed to be about and what these things might mean. These dreams seem to have been already composed by someone else. How is it that a kid can have such an ardent sense of taste in clothing despite the fact he wears crap that millions of other people can purchase at Wal-Mart? How is it that in the middle of nowhere in Ohio even the most desolate trailer is only ten and a half miles from Burger King? Value is an empty word in this country, associated more strongly with a ninety-nine cents hamburger and a %20 off sale at the JCrew outlet than with any humanistic conceptions like love and decency. I'm sickened by the fact that it has become understandable for a child to hate his own mother and resent those more priveleged than himself all for the lure of a cheap plastic dream and a middle management position at the local branch of Nations Bank. Of course, the irresistable images of fast cars, sleek entertainment centers, couchy sofas, and pristine young virgins (seemingly all there for the plucking) make the sources of such fantasies rather easy to discern. Is there no longer a boundary between images of the world produced by overarching corporate advertising machines and the real world in which these products are consumed? A bit of charity to a single victim of an amoral and tactless system seems too little too late, at 300 years too late. And the dispute in this discussion group between EJ and everyone else also seems quite old, though maybe I'm just too young to be watching PBS. I know I don't have anwers to these questions, and I don't want to seem so callous as to imply that charity is an empty an hopeless act. But, I think we should be less naive than to believe that "middle class" is something we can all attain, and moreover I question our motives for desiring to attain it.

-- (Josh Perdu)


73. Tammy Crabtree
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I truly am proud of Tammy. She has a job and obviously makes an effort to get it done. When I saw her walking those miles, I felt a great sense of resentment for the fortunate people around her who did nothing but mock and reprimand her instead of helping. God bless her, she's a true example of a hard-working woman. I hope her sons appreciate her more for that.

-- (Fancy)


74. Has anyone called The Burger King where Tammy Works?
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I would be very interested in contributing to a fund for Tammy,or even just talking to her on the phone,telling her how much I admire her.Has anyone tried contacting her at her job?

-- (I.C.)


75. flame-broiled
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Where were these fortunate people around tammy who mocked her? When you saw her walking those miles, did you resent yourself for being one of the fortunate people around her who did nothing, because we don't know how to help. why is it worthy of our praise for someone to be hardworking? Lot's of people work hard at their jobs and sadly it isn't enough just to make an effort to get it done. If you are one of the majority of not so bright workers in this country, all the examples of hard-working women, while they may lift your spirits, will not put anymore money in your pocket. Our praises seem only to add to the mocking because Tammy is powerless to improve her situation, just as the mule was never able to eat the carrot that dangled just inches from its mouth. if people are willing to contibute monetarily to all those who work hard yet remain poor, perhaps i should include my own address; and while your at it call my employer and tell him what a piece of shit he is for only paying me minimum wage, somehow i doubt he'll care.

-- (spence)


76. Tammy Crabtree
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Hey Spence, why are you being a real sh-t on yourself? You seem to be depressed because you don't see (or want) a way out of your situation. Maybe you were unfortunate in lacking good role models, or somebody (maybe a situation) broke your spirit early on. But the reality is that if you really want to get out of your personal prison, two things have to happen. First you might have to reach bottom, through being fired over booze, drugs or bad company (your first real taste of hell). Or, second, through the years you will be slapped around by fate, where nobody respects you and soon you start beginning to believe you really are contemptible. After this you either destroy yourself, or become enraged and start thinking of school. Minimum wage people can get full scholarships for hair stylist or barber school, licensed practical nurse, truck driver and so forth. All of these are one-year courses. For Free! But YOU have to go to THEM. If you want to wait until you are homeless, fine. If not, then get off the pity pot and start showing the world what stuff Spence is really made of. I really care about what happens to you. But you yourself have to do the work. The decision is yours. Good luck and write back.

-- (Joey)


78. Tammy Crabtree
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Dear PBS: Christmas came and went, and not even Bin Laden can make us forget compassion, empathy and altruism. Please tell us if Tammy got a Christmas present from the contributions many of us sent in. Any information you can supply will help to make us continue to care, especially if and when you present another person who can touch our hearts as she did. Thank You in advance.

-- (Joe Higareda)


79. In Defence of Tammy Crabtree
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Would it ever occur to any one that maybe Tammy and the millions in the U.S. that live like her may not be so unhappy. We can go back a hundred years and find a good share of the population didn't live as good as she does now. I'm sure there millions of women in the world that would love to trade places with her today, she has a roof over her head and ho one is shooting at her or her children. At least as long as someone isn't putting a camera in her face and asking how she feels living so badly. She will get up and go through the day much like the rest of us, not thinking about the good or the bad. She will talk to her friends maybe joke a little and get on with life. Tammy and her "class" are survivors that get along well if left to ther day to day living, not easy but doable.

-- (D. Milller)


80. I Respectfully Disagree, D. Miller
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I don't think anyone who walks 10 miles each direction to work in the rain and lives in a ratty trailer is happy. Especially when they see other people driving passing them in nice air-conditioned cars and know that there is a better life out there.

-- ()


81. Tammy Crabtree
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I remember when I was a little girl how my mom had to literally catch us supper to eat in the river nearby each and everyday. My mom and us three girls were also living in a shack. A wonderful man came into my mom and our lives and changed everything forever, but my mom still has bad memories of those days and she did know how bad it was for not her but us kids. For those of you who think Tammy may "be not so unhappy" or "life is doable" for her, you may be right if it was just her living there and just her life. I know there are a lot of social things I would not feel pressure about if it were just me or just me and my husband. But when you are a mom, things are not thought about for yourself, you don't care if you wear Burger King shirts every single day, you aren't under the same type of self-pressures like teens are, what you do care about is your kids, the things they go through at school, the things they hear from other kids, etc.. My mom still tells me how she can remember not being able to afford a jar of mayonaise that she wanted for us kids so badly for our sandwiches and how she still has memory flash backs when she purchases a jar in the store today, almost a guilt feeling. I know that Tammy must have those little simple type of wants/wishes each and everyday. I know I want not only for my kids to have great morals, strong friendships, since of pride, and self respect, but also I would like them to be able to have a better education than I did, a better and safer car than I did, and I know Tammy wishes these things for not herself but her kids too, what mom wouldn't wish the best for her kids???

-- (Sonja)


82. Tammy Crabtree follow up
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Oh, and as far as Tammy not being shot at, of course that is great, but since no one else in the neighborhood is being shot at either, her kids do not have a since of that being a luxury. Now if they were in Afghanistan and fighting was a way of life, yeah sure the thought of living in a shack in Ohio would probably sound great. It's just that in Ohio now, it's just not that common of occurrence in their neighborhood and something they just don't naturally feel grateful for, especially her kids.

-- (Sonja)


83. I'm not buying the "why me" .
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I'll probably get hammered for saying it, because poverty can seem to be an impenetrable cage, but I believe everyone has the ability to lift themselves. And I'll spare you the "I did it" story. I certainly don't mean Tammy would ever want to go to wine tastings (who would?), but I know for a fact that one can improve his/her quality of life to the point that meals, clothing, shelter and transportation aren't an issue. I really don't understand the situation with her "preppie" son. I'm even at a loss to write much about it...I guess I just don't understand being ashamed of where you came from or who you are. It's not like his friends don't know who he is--or who his mother is. Certainly their parents know. And what does it add to the conversation? I suppose his kind of ignorance comes with the teenage years. Kudos to to Josh Perdue...I couldn't have said it better with a million "deletes" and rephrases.

-- (T.J. Golson)


84. I Agree
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i totaly agree with T.J, about how tammy's son is so ashamed where he lives and how he doesn't want any of his freinds to met his mother. I'm sure his friend know where he lives and what kind of life he has. If people know him from school i'm sure they hang out with him after school to, and they have seen his house before. It really bother's me how he act doesn't act like him self & try to be someone that he is not.

-- (D.T)


86. I think your wrong!
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First off i think if i were in that situation i would be embarased about living in something like that. highschool is so tough just because of all the peer presure. if u dont wear a certain pair of shoes you might not get asked to a dance because people may think your not trendy. i give credit to her son with trying to deal with what hes got. dont get me wrong i give credit to tammy for trying to give her kids all she has also but being in this situation is hard on everone!

-- (genna)


87. Tammy Crabtree
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I really admire Tammy Crabtree for working as hard as she does to support her family and attempt to create a better life for herself. I think that her son has no right to be ashamed of her, to think that he is above her in any way. I didn't see him going out and getting a job, or cleaning the house, or doing anything besides criticizing his mother, who is trying so hard to make his life better. I think that lots of times we take for granted what we have, so it was an eye opening experience to see the honest, hard-working way of life that Tammy leads, and I think that she deserves nothing but the best.

-- (cf)


88. who is helping tammy?
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tammy crabtree just breaks my heart--I would get her new tires and fix her car, but that wouldnt help because she can't make enough to maintain the thing on her wages, and doesnt have the skills to get a better job-- plus few decent paying jobs exist in the rural areas. She is proud that she has a job and works. Her son has aspirations and can differentiate between where he is and where he wants to be, which is necessary to get out of there so that he can give his children more. Still I sense that she is proud of him. And I am proud of them. Has anything come of this publicity to her? Can she get in a job training program? WILL SOMEONE GIVE THE WOMAN A LIFT?

-- (katie)


89. Tammy Crabtree rocks!
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We watched her video in american literature class, and everyone was completely sympathetic. I hope she becomes rich and gets a new Porsche! the WASP should give her some money...SHE SHOULD BE ON SURVIVOR!!! We love tammy

-- (vinay)


90. we watched it too
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we watched it in sociology and we all laughed at her and her "poplar" kid. lol

-- (Jim)


91. there are lots of "tammys sons" out there
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we all want our kids to make it -especially those of us who are aorking class - but they can never really come back - can they? I am writing a book about this class mobility stuff that never gets discussed and would love input - if you're the child who left, or you had a child leave - send me an e-mail - m aybe your story needs to be part of the book thanks - dianefisher@mindspring.com - D. Fisher

-- (diane fisher)


92. Praise Failure
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Why are we proud of Tammy Crabtree? Why praise a woman for being a failure? What about the immigrant that comes to this country with nothing but the clothes on his back, but builds his wealth? What about the inner city youth that grew up on food stamps but still kept a level head and made it through college? Why is it that Tammy is a praised hero and Bill Gates is evil? Did Tammy provide jobs and paychecks to thousands of employees? No, she is not a true example of a hard working woman. A hard working woman would never get in that situation. Hey I feel bad for her, but there's nobody to blame but herself and the choices she made to get where she is. Let's stop to think about it first. Who contributes to the greater good of society, commerce, and quality of life? The only thing you could probably do for Tammy is nod your head in shame.

-- (StopYerWhining)


93. Tammy Crabtree
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In many ways, the U.S. is a great place to be poor. There are opportunities to be sure, but it is not always so easy to take advantage of them. In one way, the U.S. is a terrible place to be poor, and watching Tammy walk along that highway in the rain sure highlights one of them. That is the dearth of public transportation in this country. Elsewhere, she could find cheap transportation to get her to her job. As it is, even if she wished to pull herself up by her bootstraps... how on earth could she even GET to a school...much less work as well. Will someone please come on this site and tell us if her life has improved as a result of this film?

-- (Chris Hanna)


94. Don't forget we are all people
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You all know what has happend to this "poor woman" and if her son allows it he will be the same way to. Her mother and father were the same way she is, Working all the time and never getting anywhere. I mean sure if a person looking like that walked into a job interview, would you hire her. So, many of you views play right into the point that they are trying to make, Class has a great distintion and there is not way around it, it is almost impossible to get farther then your parents. I am sure her son will do well, because he is smart, but he must realize what he wants to do, and not look back, because in the end of the video, he talks of how time is a constraint, well if he rushed it he will be just like her. Even with his friends in high school he doesn't want to allow seeing his mother, so they accept him with them and not cut them down because of class, I was there, I was one to have been cut down. It is about the worst thing that can happen to a person. If his friends found out that he lived there, they would no longer hang out with him. Shuning him from any kind of class improvement. That is the problem with the classes in the united states, we look down on people like tammy and her son because of what they look like. Like Martin luther king said, "I have a dream my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the conten of thier charater. Well this is not just a racial, but a class, we judge by how a person dresses and acts. Not by charater, so next time don't judge a person untill you have walked a country mile in their shoes.

-- (James)


95. Chain reaction
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I just read all the messages on the site after seeing the documentary last night . I remember seeing it a while back. I.m glad pbs ran it again. It's clear that everyone has a good intent here, and yes , Tammy walking that far really made me angry. I.d love to see her in a new toyota camry. For those who said she's better off without help, are either trying to push peoples buttons or just lack caring and trust( typical of self centerd types ) Don't you people realize the point of all of this is to simply help a DESERVING person like her. Not because it makes us feel better, but because WE CAN!!! It sets a chain reaction in affect that will have far reaching affects in tammy's life as well as her sons. That E.J. freak is just trying to test you all to see what affect it creates. As for the rest of you, I thank you all for reinstating my believe in the goodness of human nature. Amazing how the simple flick of a TV cliker that led me to a documentary that I never intended to watch, turns into helping someone hundreds of miles away. The POWER of a chain reaction.

-- (Big Bob)


96. Let's help Tammy
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Like many other viewers, I happened upon this wonderful documentary by chance, just in time to see Tammy walking to work in the rain. Her earnestness brought tears to my eyes. She should be applauded. Who knows what events and circumstances lead her to the life she now lives? What should matter is the tireless, iron-willed tenacity with which she endeavors to better her lot. What we can be certain of, is that everyone who experiences 'success' in life can credit hard work, a little luck, and and being given a f**kin' break every once in a while.

-- (m power)


97. tammy
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I think that this whole subject is easily debatable with a lot of sweeping generalizations. My parents (both immigrants) worked hard as well to get where they are. However, life is filled with shades of grey and to simply say that Tammy should have done better for herself is to simplistic. There are, many many outside factors that lead to someone's success. As the documentary said, class may infact dictate ones destiny or not. I am seeing evidence of the contrary, and it is hopeful. My mother lived in very very poor conditions as a child. Working hard her whole life *and* with the help of good economy and more important a "good cost of goods ratio" she was able to give us a upper middle class lifestyle. I think the documentary missed the boat and did not expand enough on socio-economic factors (ie, a house cost a LOT less than it does now, as does an education). If tammy had grown up a generation ago or in a different part of the country (also important) she may have fared better. However, the jury is not out on Tammy. I went on this site hoping that there was some way to donate something to her. Not because she didn't have the opportunity or because I really understood her situation. But simply because compassion and kindness are qualities that every class never forget to practice.

-- (alyssa )


98. dreams
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I watched this human interest story like most of you and founds myself admiring Tammy for her spirit. I've read some of the comments, some of tears and others of laughter. The image the I will keep however will be of a young woman of hope. Walking in the rain while cars passed her by, singing to herself while on the way to clean someone's bathrooms. If this shows us nothing else, let it please let us understand the different degrees of poverty that exist in america and also maybe give us all true understanding into just how bad we "don't have it!" Say what you will, Tammy is an example of what is good and bad in america. The good is her spirit and peace about where she is and where she hopes to go. The bad is how sad it is to live in a society where most people treat their pets 100 times better than how this family lives.

-- (mark peters)


99. Tammy Crabtree
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Since the original 2001 broadcast of this moving, thought provoking documentary/commentary, has Tammy come any closer to her dream of going to college to become a teacher? Did opportunities open up and resources become available to assist her in achieving her dream? I suspect she would have taken advantage of them if they had. Imagine: walking over 10 miles to work to clean bathrooms, instead of staying on welfare!! I believe, with that fortitude, she can achieve anything.

-- (Rhoda Butler)


100. American dream gone bad
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I watched the documentary with great sympathy. Tammy represents thousands of people in her category. It is very hard to judge the cicumstances which led her to be where she is but the most important thing for me is to aplaud her as a good mother. Her son might disrespect her but she is doing her best. The son should open his mind and look for ways to better himself if he really feels bad about his mother's situation. Jullie.

-- (jullie)


101. Who cares how she got to this point in her life?
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The bottom line is that she walks ten miles to and from a job at a fast food restaurant. If that isn't ambition and motivation I don't know what is. And did you catch the part where she mentions her 21 (TWENTYONE) siblings. Obviously, she's made some progress from where she came from by having only four children. I'm not surprised that she dosn't have much time to do much else around the house. Her daily commute alone must be worth half a work-day. Right now she needs a auto mechanic a driver's license a dentist and part time jobs for her kids and in a very short time there would be a night and day difference in her life. Some times that first step isn't high or particularly difficult - sometimes we just can't find the ladder.

-- (Albert)


103. Once again, we're being fooled
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I live in Tammy's town. We have free public transportation. We have services for low-income people (we have thousands of low-income residents in low-income housing; receiving benefits for food, transportation, and education). Tammy is probably a nice, honest person. But she definitely is a product of the media. PBS has played on your prejudices about people of the hills as though they are all poor and helpless. Fact is, we have every imaginable social program in our little county. It's accessible to all residents. I'm not a social worker, nor do I represent any of those programs. I'm Tammy's nearby neighbor. The other people in Tammy's neck of the woods include upper middle class professionals, factory workers and - nuclear scientists. Don't be fooled by the false sense of empathy or social urgency presented by PBS. They needed to sell a point - and used Tammy to fool us. Good job PBS.

-- (John)


104. Tammy may tell her own story now...
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I have enjoyed the video about class in America. I began to think about other women who received support to get where they arrived at. Prejudice is still here and women still don't get the same pay as a man. Communities look the other way when it becomes the stereotypical way that our society views poverty. I'd like to hear more about why young people don't have self-esteem and how they judge their parents, when they haven't had to eek out a living and put a roof over their heads. Single parent households do face challenges, but it doesn't mean that they are unhappy. Every single parent and their children have a story to tell. I know, I have had to work to support my son, but received training as a nurse. I wasn't raised in poverty, but learned to work for my clothes, and attend secretarial school in high school. Now I am a senior at a university and obtain a Bachelor of Arts Degree. I am grateful for my friends who offered support and encouragement and grateful for my son who owns his own business, married, and has three children. So it is that if others will care about themselves and offer support and encouragement we have helped ourselves and our neighborhood become a network of building and caring. There are challenges, but with hope, we do move from victim then to survivor then to overcomer. Lets hear from Tammy again...I'd love to hear an update...

-- (Lin)


105. What did the filmmakers do for her?
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Please, please, please update us on Tammy's situation. I can't imagine the film crew packing up their cameras and fancy lighting and jumping in their good running vehicles to leave Tammy (and especially her sons)behind, without at least paying to get her car fixed. If they had, I feel for them, knowing it must be hard to sleep at night knowing they could have done something to help her and the kids out. I would love to know how to hear more about her current situation, did any good come from sharing her story? Did anyone seeing this film come to their rescue, if so, please let us hear about it, please at the very least give her story to ABC Extreme Home Makeover staffers. Please, please, please...she's one of us, rich or poor, a member of the human race. She has not had the gifts of money and security that so many of us take for granted. Remember she grew up poor (a family of 22 kids, wow!) she has no way of knowing how one acquires a good life, she needs our help. What can I do? I would love to help!! Robin in California

-- (R)


106. Let's start a Tammy Crabtree fund!
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For all thos interessted in helping Tammy out, is it possible we start a fund for her and her children? Let's do it! I'll see how it's done, or if there is anyone else more able to putting this together, let's do it! RDaniels3@runner.csub.edu

-- (robin daniels)


107. There Isn't All This Help Out There That People Think There Is
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My question to the poster "John" who claims there is all this help for people like Tammy because he lives in the same town and can attest to all the so-called help for the poor. Did you, John, ever have to rely on the free public transportation to get to your job? Does this low-cost mass transit system reach the outlying rural areas like where Tammy lives or is it only available during limited hours within the urban areas? Obviously you would not know how accessible it was if you have a car and were never in Tammy's shoes. Do you, John, know what it's like to be a poor woman - instead of a privileged white male? I am guessing you are a WASP male by the tone of your post. You don't want to feel guilty for being too selfish and greedy in your self-centered attitude of trying to justify not helping a poor woman like Tammy, so you conveniently shift the blame onto the victim to justify your selfishness because you don't want others to think badly of you yet you don't want to give anything of yourself to help someone less fortunate right in your own backyard. It's nearly impossible to better yourself if you lack the basics of transportation, the ability to afford the appropriate image (career clothes, dental care or false teeth, a car)to be deemed "worthy" of a better job because education and skills are not the ticket out of poverty alone. You can be a magna cum laude graduate from a public college but having no references from professional types of jobs, but being a poor and disenfranchised middle-aged woman trying to get into a new career - you face barriers that keep you down and poor in low-wage jobs because of age and gender discrimination - despite bettering yourself with training or an education.

-- (Jacqueline)


108. Child Support
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I know for a fact that Tammy received regular child support for at least two of her children. I also no that if her son wanted to go to college he would have been able to do so as his father is 100% Disabled American Vet. Things are not always what they appear.

-- (Elaine Bradley)


109. home sweet home
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I attend Miami University and just watched this part of the documentary yesterday. It made my heart start racing in the first minute, because I am from Pike County, I have been to that Burger King probably a hundred times. A person like Tammy is not shocking to me, she is familiar. It is great that people want to help her because of her situation, but her life is not a rarity in pike county it is common. Helping on person is great but what about all of the others who live meager pay check to pay check and have to wait until their welfare check comes in the first of the month in order to go to WalMart? What about those people? A trailer like Tammy's is more common than a new house. I rode the school bus with kids much like her son, or even kids who were never fed or clothed properly. I admire him for thinking about college, but how would he have afforded it? I am fortunate enough to be able to attend a university, other than Shawnee State or Hocking Technical college. I read now that he has a baby, so the cycle will continue. Helping one person is a start but the solution is to give these people a chance in hell and attempt to break this vicious cycle. This kind of poverty is very real, America needs to embrace that.

-- (Ericka Coulter)


110. Life is what you make it!
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I don't think anyone deserves to be placed in any type of class from birth although I recognize that it is a part of the way we live in this western civilized society. I have big dreams and aspirations to become an attorney as well, and I come from a rather poor and uneducated family, but does that make me unable to be a great attorney. No I must continue on and make the best of my situation, we all do. No one is any better than any one else.

-- (gwen)


111. Current status of Tammy Crabtree family?
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I would like to know if there has been any changes or improvements to Tammy Crabtree's family after the filming of this documentary? And also, what is her current status? Thank you very much.

-- (Darnell)


112. Current Status????
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what has become of Tammy and her family, I would like to know.

-- (tony)


113. has tammy's son made it to college?
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I was wondering if tammy's son made it to college. He seems to have high hopes for a better life. It has been several years since it was aired and I would like to know how he is doing.

-- (marilyn)


1067. tammy
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She needs to do something more to make money. feed those kids : )

-- (emma)


1068. Tammy;
US/Eastern

Tammy's story did fill my heart with Sympathy, but I think there are a lot of things that could be done to help themselves. The older son who was ashamed to show her friends of her said a lot about his school work, most highschool's offer Auto for a class. He could learn a little bit about cars, and possibly fix up his mother's car to help her out a bit. Walking TEN miles to work is unacceptable, especially to a usless job at Burger King. Hopefully someone has helped her through her struggle, and maybe she is living a little bit easier. Good luck Tammy!

-- (Jonathan)


1414. Tammy's Story
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I am 65 years old and have decided to go back to school. I viewed the story of Tammy in my Sociology Class at North Seattle Community College. I would like a follow up on her story. I would like to know exactly what happened to her after this story was viewed. I would like to know if her life changed. I would like to write a follow up story on her for my class project if could be possible. I have a lot of respect for her. Thank You, Ann M. Beard 22604 56th Ave W. Mountlake Terrace, Wash. 98043

-- (Ann M. Beard)


1417. TAMMY'S STORY
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I AM INVOLVED IN A GENERATIONAL POVERTY WORKSHOPS AND WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT AN UPDATE TO THE PEOPLE ON TAMMY. ANY SUGGESTIONS?

-- (COYSDOCK)


1418. Tammy
US/Eastern

Wow, I watched the video in my Sociology class at Texas A & M San Antonio. We all were taken back by Tammys condition and living arrangements. But, I was really proud of her not wanting to continue on welfare. Her 10 mile walk everyday to work was crazy. Who does that! Im inspired by her and wish her the best. What is she up to now? Marivel-

-- (Marivel Romo)


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