Interview outtakes from THE WAR:
"I was on a list somewhere in the Navy to be called up at the appropriate time and I was in college at the University of Minnesota and I spent my money. And my friends were going. One of them's already a Marine fighter pilot. That was unendurable for me to be a college boy and him to be a Marine fighter pilot. So, I felt I had to accelerate this somehow and I went into the recruiting office and there was, to my astonishment, an old friend of mine at the desk. And I said, 'I've got to go.' And as I talked to him and it got more and more intense, 'I've got to go. I've got to go. I'm out of money. Everyone else is going.' And he went to the corner of the room where there's a great pile of files and fingered down to the bottom, pulled one out and put it on top. And said, 'You'll get your orders next week. Don't tell anybody.' And I went out and it was like that moment at the beach when you climb the ladder of the diving board up to where you usually dive off and then keep going to the one where you might jump off, and keep going still until you get to the very top where you've never jumped off before and then you step up to the edge and jump. I felt that I was in, in empty space. Something had happened to me that had never happened before. And that I had done it. You know, as a kid, you don't have an opportunity to determine your life very often. Your parents do that for you. Your teachers do that for you. But I just made a decision that was going to change my life forever. And it did."