October 18, 2019

This week on To The Contrary with Bonnie Erbe, our panelists discuss Pelosi’s viral photo and Trump’s impeachment inquiry, the 2nd anniversary of the #MeToo movement is now calling for action with #MeTooVoter and female and trangender athletes: testosterone levels are up for debate. 

On the panel this week joining host Bonnie Erbe is: Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC); Rina Shah, Board Member, Republican Women for Progress; Erin Matson, Co-Founder, Reproaction; Carrie Sheffield, Fellow, Independent Women’s Voice and National Editor for Accuracy in Media

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Pelosi vs. Trump

 Donald Trump takes aim at Nancy Pelosi, and the Speaker of the House fires back

  • Del. Norton: “There does not need to be a vote on an inquiry. And she is not - there has to be a vote on impeachment, but not on an inquiry. An inquiry is an investigation as she may be trying to shield really a tiny handful of Democrats from swing districts. But we've got the votes for the inquiry. And frankly, we've got the votes for impeachment.”

  • Rina Shah: “I think now Mick Mulvaney has topped Rudy Giuliani in that, this news cycle has us all fatigued, because every week, every day, there's something that comes up. But yesterday, I think what we really saw is that Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker, her hand is really going to be forced to push this vote onto the House floor faster than she expected to and I think she's tried to do that to be clean and essentially try to make this seem like a very honest process. But at the end of the day, we have somebody that pulls pages from the dictator’s playbook every day. I don't think he's a Republican. I don't think he's anything. I don't even think he's a human.”

  • Bonnie Erbe: “She's a fundraising machine like the Democratic party has never seen.”

  • Erin Matson: “I literally woke up one day as this was unfolding with the Ukraine, and thanked God that she is Speaker of the House right now, I don't know that there's anyone else who's better equipped to help us. We are in the middle of a constitutional crisis in the United States. Our democracy is under attack from an authoritarian dictator. It's going to take all of us coming together to get to the other side. She knows how to move this forward, and she's doing a great job.”

  • Carrie Sheffield: “He doesn't take a salary. The media doesn't talk about this. Every quarter, he donates salary to the Treasury. And to the bigger point on the question of legitimacy and the impeachment... You want to talk about impeachment proceedings being held in secret in an unprecedented manner. Every single other prior impeachment proceeding was taken and proceeded in a manner that allowed for due process that allowed for transparency.”


On the anniversary of the #MeToo movement, organizers are taking on the ballot box with #MeTooVoter.

  • Fatima Goss Graves: “People are underestimating the power of survivors. We have seen what's possible when survivors come together in solidarity. They've managed to dramatically change culture in such a short period of time. In some states, they've been forced to actually improve their laws. 15 states have actually taken action to improve their loss since #MeToo went viral, but it is far from enough. And the millions of people who've been carrying the burden of saying #MeToo without seeing the right level of action deserve better.”

  • Del. Norton: “If you look into what they seem to be after, they seem to be after some kind of benefits to these women who have gone through this. They need to clarify what they want. They already have a remedy. When they speak of states who have done this. I think those states have tried to provide a remedy. They seem to want more than a remedy. They seem to want some help for these women.”

  • Rina Shah: “I'm all about people being driven to the ballot box. I think everybody needs to participate and take their right to vote very seriously. But again, the movement was about letting women feel like they could come out of the shadows.”

  • Bonnie Erbe: “Progressive women, let's face it, are completely outraged by this President. You know progressive men as well, but particularly women. Republican voters just vote all the time. They're more loyal to their party, whereas Democrats, it seems to me, sometimes have to be dragged out of their caves to get to the polls. There's hate, there's anger and there's a wish for retribution.”

  • Erin Matson: “As a grassroots organizing person, I mean, movements are messy. So I'm not surprised that this is messy, and we're saying okay, well, what's it really for? I think that's something that the organizers are very intentionally galvanizing right now.”

  • Carrie Sheffield: “It is a bipartisan issue. Women's empowerment, wanting to prevent sexual harassment. I think that's something that would unite Republicans and Democrats together. I think that there is a broader cultural movement with me too.”

Transgender Athletes

The effects of testosterone in women's athletics

  • Del. Norton: “The whole notion of women competing against other women whose testosterone levels are at the levels of men bothers me and I don't- I do think we need more science. But I also think we need to encourage girls to continue to go into sports and to believe that all things being equal is still the rule of the game.”

  • Rina Shah: “I think that's great that there are transgender folks that that want to get out and just really feel like in every way of their life that they are with the sex of the identify as.”

  • Bonnie Erbe: “How can a girl have- someone who's born a girl, possibly have the bone loss length, the height, the muscle mass that somebody was born a boy?”

  • Erin Matson: “I think there's something really disgusting and disturbing about this idea that people need to take medicine or be chemically altered by an abstract body in order to compete in a sport.”

  • Carrie Sheffield: “I'm all for respecting and using the pronouns that an individual wishes to use. But I do think when it comes to Title IX and the victories that women have fought for it to have any sort of recognition that women's sports should be equal under the law,this would ruin all that. “

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