October 06, 2017

This week on To The Contrary with Bonnie Erbe, our panelists discuss if guns laws make women safer, politicians who are hypocritical on abortion, and the rollback on the Obamacare birth control mandate.

On the panel this week joining host Bonnie Erbe is: Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC), Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin, Independent Women’s Voices Senior Policy Analyst Patrice Onwuka, Former Judge & Federal Prosecutor Debra Carnahan

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Women and Guns

Does owning a gun make women safer?

  • Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton: “Let’s understand the context here. Neither women or men find themselves safer against someone coming at them with a gun, if they have a gun. The statistics are overwhelming.”

  • Bonnie Erbe: “How do you pull a weapon out of your purse and be ready to aim at someone and be ready to kill them?”

  • Patrice Onwuka: “We are talking about, how do we legislate away an issue that deals with the heart? And that’s not something that Congress can do, that’s not something that we can write a law that we can deal with. We are talking about someone who is an evil person and no law is going to change that.”

  • Debra Carnahan: “Women don’t tend to get off when they shoot men. Very few [were] told ‘oh, you’re right, you’re justified in shooting that man as self defense.’ You end up going to prison.”   

  • Jennifer Rubin: “People may overinterpret other individuals with a gun, take matters into their own hands, when it’s really not warranted.”                                    


Abortion Rights      

Are GOP House Members anti-abortion in public yet pro-choice in private?

  • Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton: “If it had been a Democrat, I would have been equally critical of them, but at least they wouldn't have been at the front of the line saying ‘no abortions under any circumstance.”

  • Bonnie Erbe: “Is this what Republicans really want? They want women not only to not have access to abortion, but not have access to contraception?”

  • Patrice Onwuka: “I think it’s still possible to be able to provide [birth control coverage] for poorer women without creating a mandate for every single person to have to have that.”

  • Debra Carnahan:We have had a decrease in abortions over the years as we have had more access to contraceptives, prevention contraceptives.”

  • Jennifer Rubin: ”One of the reasons it’s gotten so bad is because of the intense partisanship. ‘It doesn’t matter if my guy does it, he’s my guy, he’s on our team. We’re gonna defend him.’”

Birth Control

Rollback on Obamacare birth control mandate

  • Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton: “There are very few members of Congress who have more than one or two kids. The hypocrisy is on everybody's face if they come out and say, 'you shouldn't use contraception.'"

  • Bonnie Erbe: “What’s going to happen as a result of the rollback? Are we going to see more unwanted pregnancies or are we going to see an increase in abortion which is exactly what the pro-life right doesn’t want to see?”

  • Patrice Onwuka: “It should really be about your individual choice. The government shouldn’t be providing it nor should taxpayers be funding what is your individual decision and choice you make.”

  • Debra Carnahan: “Why are we allowing people to talk to women this way and use words like ‘moral?’ If I am your employer and I don’t think it’s moral for you to have birth control, I’m allowed to do that and have that effect upon your reproductive organs?”

  • Jennifer Rubin: “The Republicans, until January 20th of this year, we’re all about reducing the power of the executives and empowering Congress, the people’s House. I’d like to see a little more of that and a little less unilateralism from an administration that the vast majority of Americans have an issue with.”


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