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Bullet-ridden Reza Anbouhi

Blog Watch | Date August 21, 2009

Reza Anbouhi was shot point blank in the head with a BB gun intended to be fired from a 50-meter distance to disperse protesters.

When Reza's father attempted to take him to hospital, he was stopped and his car was trashed by law enforcement officers.

Reza has lost vision in one eye and has only 10 percent use of his other eye. The infection may cause him to completely lose his sight. Half of his body has been paralyzed. He is unable to eat or drink and is fed through a tube.

In response to the fake Taraneh Mousavi's brother-in-law, Mehdi Karroubi said, "I visited a family of Sadats [decedents of the prophet of Islam]. Their son is in sickbed. They have made a hole in his stomach and feed him through a tube, one of his eyes has been removed and his other eye is losing its sight. This young man has a skull full of round metal balls [the ones used in BB guns], has undergone surgery several times and still needs further surgery. When this family was recounting its sufferings, I felt ashamed that these incidents have happened under the banner of the Islamic Republic."

Iranian boy who defied Tehran hardliners tells of prison rape ordeal

The Times (UK) | August 22, 2009

Reza's ordeal began in mid-July when he was arrested with about 40 other teenagers during an opposition demonstration in a large provincial city. Most were too young even to have voted. They were taken to what he believes was a Basiji militia base where they were blindfolded, stripped to their underwear, whipped with cables and then locked in a steel shipping container. That first night Reza was singled out by three men in plain clothes who had masqueraded as prisoners. As the other boys watched, they pushed him to the ground. One held his head down, another sat on his back and the third urinated on him before raping him.

"They were telling us they were doing this for God, and who did we think we were that we could demonstrate," Reza said. The men told the other boys they would receive the same treatment if they did not co-operate when interrogated the next day.

Reza was then taken outside, tied to a metal pole and left there all night. The next morning one of the men returned. He asked whether Reza had learnt his lesson. "I was angry. I spat in his face and began cursing him. He elbowed me in the face a couple of times and slapped me." Twenty minutes later, he says, the man returned with a bag full of excrement, shoved it in Reza's face and threatened to make him eat it.

Reza was later taken to an interrogation room where he told his questioner he had been raped. "I made a mistake. He sounded kind, but my eyes were blindfolded. He said he would go look into it and I was hopeful," Reza said.

Instead, the interrogator ordered Reza to be tied up and raped him again, saying: "This time I'll do it, so you'll learn not to tell these tales anywhere else. You deserve what's coming to you. You guys should be raped until you die." Read

Dozens of protesters secretly buried in Behesht-e Zahra

RaheSabz.net | August 21, 2009

The bodies of dozens of those killed in the post-vote protests on July 12 and 15 have been secretly buried in section 302 of the Behesht-e Zahara cemetery.

This is while the families of many of the missing protesters are still looking for their loved ones. Security and judiciary officials refuse to reveal any information about the fate of the missing protesters.

One of the employees of the cemetery told Nourouz website that "the bodies of several 'John and Jane Does' were brought to the cemetery on July 12 and 15 under extreme security measures and they were buried in section 302 after burial permits were forcibly issued."

According to the Nourouz website, on July 12 at least 28 burial permits were issued for section 302 and on July 15, some 16 permits were issued for the same section.

Other reports had earlier said that the frozen bodies of some protesters were handed to their families.

Bodies will not freeze when kept in hospital mortuaries; industrial freezers, however, are a different matter.

Behesht-e Zahara authorities have refrained from commenting on the issue.

Nourouz claims to have obtained the registration numbers of the burial permits issued for section 302 on July 12 and 15. The website says it will make the information public if necessary.

Qom Prayer Leader: Imposing more penalties won't save the Islamic Republic

Aftab News | August 21, 2009

Qom Friday Prayers Leader Ayatollah Ahmad Amini says stubbornness and imposing penalties will not save the Islamic establishment of Iran.

"You are not one another's enemy. You are all in favor of the establishment, Islam and the rule of the Just Jurisprudent. Why don't you, instead of talking to the enemy, talk to one another and find a solution to this disunity," queried the cleric, adding that the enemy was benefiting from the internal strife.

"I am not talking about one party or the other... You, as the elite, must sit down and talk. If injustice has really been done to people, deal with it. If an innocent has been incarcerated, release him. And if someone has been shamed [publicly], apologize to him, and properly deal with those who are really guilty."

"How must I advise you to set aside disunity for it to register? We are not enemies and our solidarity is possible. Resolve this issue through dialogue and stop giving the enemy something to talk about."

He went on to advise against 'dragging the conflict to the seminary' as it would be betraying both the establishment and the seminary.

"If you want to mend the situation as caring individuals, end the conflict and prevent it from expanding."

Defense Nominee Wanted by Interpol

Tehran Bureau | August 21, 2009

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's candidate for defense minister, Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi, was a commander of the Quds Force, a secretive unit within the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), which is estimated to be about 3000 strong, made of elite troops.

In Novemver 2007, Interpol, the international police organization, issued an arrest warrant for him, as well as for Mohsen Rezaee, former top commander of the IRGC and a presidential candidate in the June 12 election, and Ali Fallahian.

Interpol accused them of being involved in a huge explosion in a Jewish Center in Buenor Aires, Argentina, that killed 85 people and injured 200.

At that time Vahidi was working in Iran's embassy in Argentinia, Rezaee was the IRGC commander, and Fallahian was the Minister of Intelligence.

Since the case has never gone to trial though, it is not clear whether the allegations are actually true. In the past Argentina had absolved Iran of having any role in the explosion.

Tehran Justice Department in charge of Kahrizak

Aftab News | August 19, 2009

Rasoul Jalali, head of the Kahrizak township justice office, said the notorious Kahrizak Detention center was not under his supervision.

"This Detention center [Kahrizak] was not under our supervision, as detention centers must be under the supervision of the Prisons Organization... it was under the supervision of the Tehran Justice department because its detainees did not belong to the Kahrizak Justice office," said Rasouli.

"This detention center was opened to house thugs and ruffians and we were not aware of its issues. We were slated to visit it but it was closed [before we had a chance]."

Jalali went on to say that as the Kahrizak Justice office had not sent any of the detainees to the center, he was therefore unaware of the interrogation techniques used there. "The interrogation methods used and the subsequent issues had nothing to do with us," he said.

"We do not have any temporary detention centers in Kahrizak and if there is a temporary arrest warrant [issued], the suspect is sent to Evin or Karaj prison."

I Quote...

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"Everyone knows that Mr. Lankarani is one of the greatest administrators in the country. He's been very successful, he's been very hard working. I have personal admiration for him. He is a pure man, and very likable. I said somewhere that he's like a peach, you just want to eat this young, religious man."

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad describes Kamran Baqeri-Lankarani, the husband of one of his proposed ministers. Source: Iranian State TV

Prosecutor's office rejects Kayhan ordered closed

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Tabnak | August 21, 2009

The Tehran Prosecutor's office has rejected reports that the Media Court has ordered the closure of the hardline Kayhan daily after its editor failed to appear in court twice.

Mir Hossein Mousavi's aide, Ali-Reza Beheshti, has filed a lawsuit against Hossein Shariatmadari after Kayhan published an interview suggesting that Mousavi and his supporters had silenced lawmaker Seyyed Hassan Ayat before he could make public his report on the former prime minister.

Shariatmadari was summoned to court twice but failed to appear in court both times, prompting Judge Mansouri to order the closure of the daily.

The reports yesterday claimed that the case had been sent to Tehran Prosecutor Saeed Mortazavi for his approval.

Seyyed Abulhossein Pourhosseini, of the Tehran Prosecutor's public relations office, rejected this. "No such order has been issued," Pourhosseini said.

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48 Comments

Why would they close down their propoganda media?

Maziar / August 21, 2009 11:47 AM

I am a little suspicious of the secret burial report. If it was so secret why would they choose to bury so many bodies in a Beheshte Zahra where there are lots of people as well as it being a prime burial location. Having said that stupidity seems to be the hallmark of the AN's government.

Mohammad Reza / August 21, 2009 3:08 PM

Thank you for your continued updates. You are a voice for justice.

Urusaro / August 21, 2009 3:15 PM

I am praying for Reza Anbouhi and his family. I am so grieved that these

villianous practices are being not just allowed but mandated by the

current regime. They are killing the youth that should be the hope of Iran's future.

Their crimes against humanity are hideous.

Peg / August 21, 2009 3:27 PM

Thank you Tehran Bureau for your updates, articles and everything else on your site. I follow your site's postings every day and have recommended it to as many people as I can.

Minoo / August 21, 2009 4:33 PM

Imam Ali -


"Enemity is the occupation of fools."

Radical Guy / August 21, 2009 5:00 PM

thank you for all your postings! I appreciate your efforts in spreading the news, even though the news are horrific! poor Reza - I'm so sorry for all his pain ..

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uli vs - Munich / August 21, 2009 6:51 PM

Noticeably these were works of psychotics and Satan. These men who were responsible should be buried alive only after undergoing severe punishments. Their kind should be totally eliminated from the earth. I wish these unjust inhumane acts cruelty and brutality will completely stop and justice will be served for all the victims.


My prayers are with Reza, his family, and others who were victims of this regime's atrocities that may find enough strength in this difficult times and that their faith will not wither. You are not alone in this fight. We are with you all the way until day we see the light of freedom and democracy in Iran.

shetty / August 22, 2009 2:30 AM

I don't think that was a BB gun that inflicted those wounds. Rather, it appears to be the work of a shotgun firing a form of birdshot round from point blank range. (Only a guess, judging by the X-Rays.)


I have to say that (the rape allegations notwithstanding) the level of force used by the Basij to restore public order is generally similar to that used by various American law enforcement organizations during the troubled years of the late 1960's and 70's. Chicago 1968 comes to mind, as does the response to the widespread unrest surrounding the 1968 assassination of Dr. King.

Anonymous / August 22, 2009 4:38 AM

"These men who were responsible should be buried alive only after undergoing severe punishments. "


No they should not. They should be tried in a fair court, and if found guilty, given long or very long prison sentences. Dangerous people need to be kept in prison to protect the public.


The answer to vicious and depraved behavior is not vicious and depraved punishment, or revenge. Revenge is a medieval custom.

Don Cox / August 22, 2009 11:27 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8216533.stm

Dave in America / August 22, 2009 7:01 PM

Shetty,


If there are any psychotic and Satanic nations in the words its america, not Iran

Radical Guy / August 23, 2009 12:38 PM

aahhhhh, Radical Guy ... where have you been with your none-sense?


The difference between America and the islamic dictatorship is the foundation on which it is built. America has done bad things in the world, agreed. But the foundation is built on equality, justice, secularism and free speach. The islamic dictatorship has also done many bad things in its relatively short history. The difference is that it's built on religious intolerance, unequal justice, archaic rules and the suppression of free speach, but it pretends to be none of the above.

Maziar / August 24, 2009 1:11 PM

Dear Maziar,


I like the knowledgeable discussion of the foundation of the US constitution. It is great to know that for half its history, blacks didn't count as persons, legally, and based on the constitution. Then for another 100 years they couldn't vote. Women didn't have the right to vote until early 20th century.

I love it how the US propaganda makes it constitution sound like a mandate from Heavens. Just ask the blacks and minorities.

The US constitution was written by rich people for rich people. That is why it has become controlled by corporations, through bribes and control of the media. In other words, all US media, including NPR are "Keyhan"s.

Today, we do wonderful things to detainees held in a part of Cuba, called Guantanamo. We also rape people in prisons in Iraq, and allow rape in our regular prisons on the mainland, by simply allowing it to go on as a way of controlling the inmates.

I have some extra rose colored glasses if you wish to buy for your friends.

Samanou / August 25, 2009 9:29 AM

The iranian government is not an indigenous one. It was imposed and it will not survive. This is the beginning of the end. The Persian culture is much deeper than any such aberrations can harm. This are unfortunate pains of a new invasion.


We have withstood Greeks, Mongols, Turks, British, German, Russian, Arab,... this is the start of the end of the Arab invasion.


Iran doesn't need an American constitution, or a French constitution... they all have proven to be very short of the ideal, despite all propaganda. Iran has survived for thousands of years because our culture doesn't believe in ideologies. A Passing knowledge of Persian poetry proves this easily.


We need a living constitution which can be protected by the people. A good read is "inventing a nation" by Gore Vidal. We need to avoid all the errors of the "founding" fathers of the US.


But first, lets get rid of all ideologies, eastern, western, religious, or philosophical (marxism). Then we may have chance.

Samanou / August 25, 2009 9:39 AM

Iran has always been a federation by nature. Writers denigrate this by calling it tribalism. But that is not the historical fact. The respect that people had for their diversity before the Qajar rule and the British Invasion, was what held the "Iranian" land together.


With Reza Pahlavi, under the British, the federal form of Iran was crushed, rather than developed and strengthened. Divide and concur was the motif.


But, it can be reversed. Our culture will hold our regional (federations) cohesive.


What we see happening with all this torture, rape, and plunder is an imported disease. Maybe it can be cured, but it can be controlled by reversing a 100 year policy of cultural destruction commenced by foreign invaders.


It is only under a religious banner that such atrocities can occur. Today the US and UK have fomented religious differences in Iraq for the same reason. Iraqi people are no less tolerant that Iranians towards different beliefs. It is only the plunderers who stoke such fires for their own purposes. Moslems, Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Yazidis, atheists had lived in Iran and Iraq in peaceful coexistence until the "civilized" west showed its ugly head in the region.

Samanou / August 25, 2009 9:49 AM

Samanou,


I'm not excusing anything that the US has done in the past by any means. Slavery was horrible, as was the exclusion of women from the vote, as was the segregation of blacks, or the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII, etc. The US learned from those events and moved forward. In my opinion, what allowed it to move forward after people fought for their rights was the basis of its constitution which is essentially still sound. It's unfortunate that people had to fight to be afforded the rights of that constitution, but that doesn't make the basic principles wrong.


The use of Guantanamo is debatable in my opinion. Where do you send those detainees? They are not fighting as part of any country's army, and many would be executed upon return to their home countries. Bringing them to the US to stand trial would probably have been a better option than a military prison, but the US was still in the wake of 9/11 hysteria. Hopefully the US learns from this mistake. As for the torture in Iraq prisons, the soldiers in charge of that prison are being dealt with, as should any violators of the law.


When you say the following, you sound like the typical far left leaning, anti-capitalism reactionary:


"The US constitution was written by rich people for rich people. That is why it has become controlled by corporations, through bribes and control of the media. In other words, all US media, including NPR are "Keyhan"s.


What exactly are you trying to do? Compare the freedom of expression people have in the US to Iran? If you are, then you are as delusional as Radical Guy and the paranoid mullahs in Iran.

Maziar / August 25, 2009 4:09 PM

Now I'm not suggesting that Iran copy the US constitution, or the French one, or the Australian, Japanese, etc.


But I think any new constitution (if and when it happens) needs to be one that gives equal rights to all citizens (regardless of religion, sex, and race). Also, this new constitution should be secular and representative of the the different people & cultures in Iran.


Do you disagree with this?

Maziar / August 25, 2009 4:15 PM

"It is only under a religious banner that such atrocities can occur. Today the US and UK have fomented religious differences in Iraq for the same reason. Iraqi people are no less tolerant that Iranians towards different beliefs. It is only the plunderers who stoke such fires for their own purposes. Moslems, Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Yazidis, atheists had lived in Iran and Iraq in peaceful coexistence until the "civilized" west showed its ugly head in the region."

Ahhhh, yes ... it's always the big bad 'imperialist' regime's fault. We were all holding hands and singing love songs before US and UK showed up to brain-wash us into warring with each other. Could you be more narrow-minded?


I really think this is a big part of the problem in the Middle East (and especially Iran) ... the victim mentality. It's always the fault of someone else and we were so perfect before they showed up. Grow up. We need to start taking responsibility for not only what we have done, but also the fact that we allowed others to take advantage of us. The best national defense in my opinion, is a free democratic nation with sound economic principals.

Maziar / August 25, 2009 4:26 PM

Samanou,


Maziar is in bed with the americans or is an american. His only desire is to see Iran destroyed and replaced with some type of american puppet government. He is totally westernized and supports both israel and america to the exclusion of Iran. He believes that Iran should bend under the influence of israel and america.


He mocks me as most do on this board. We will see how he feels after israel and america bomb Iran back to the stone age -- but he says that will be the fault of Iran.


His arguements are always that Iran has caused all these problems and american and israel have nothing to do with that and that somehow the behavior of Iran justifies their bombing it.


Iran is not perfect, as perfect is only with God, but it is not as bad as america.

Radical Guy / August 27, 2009 10:43 AM

"Maziar is in bed with the americans or is an american. His only desire is to see Iran destroyed and replaced with some type of american puppet government. He is totally westernized and supports both israel and america to the exclusion of Iran. He believes that Iran should bend under the influence of israel and america."

Wrong as usual Radical Guy. I am not an American, but like you I do live in the west. You are a hypocrite and lie about where you live. I do not excuse anything wrong that America and Israel have done. But I also do not excuse anything Iran has done and think it should fix its own problems before blaming everything on someone else.

"He mocks me as most do on this board. We will see how he feels after israel and america bomb Iran back to the stone age -- but he says that will be the fault of Iran."


Wrong again, you are a mockery of your own making. All I do is point our your inconsistencies. You and your simple-minded, idiotic kind who want to live in the days of your prophet 1400 years ago are what will cause a war. Not peace loving, rational humans. I would hate to see Israel or America attack Iran, but with your kind in charge I fear it will eventually lead there.

Maziar / August 27, 2009 12:12 PM

Also, Radical Guy ... it shows how desperate you are for acceptance that you are trying to get Samanou on your side.


If you had paid attention to Samanou's post, you would realize that it is against you religious dictatorship.

You are truly grasping at straws.

Maziar / August 27, 2009 12:15 PM

Imam Ali said -


"One's obedience to God is proportionate to one's wisdom."


Maziar, you are not the wise one.


Peace be with you my friend.

Radical Guy / August 27, 2009 3:05 PM

Every time I show you your stupidity, you bring up an irrelevant part of your 1400 year old fairy tale.


knowledge be with you my misguided and itellectually challenged friend.

Maziar / August 27, 2009 4:28 PM

intellectually - but its OK, I make lots of typos. I am not perfect, only God is perfect.

Radical Guy / August 28, 2009 11:28 AM

If typos were your only intellectual deficiency, I wouldn't bother responding to you. You lack logic, your view is highly biased even in the face of overwhelming evidence and when you're clearly losing an argument you fall back on meaningless quotes from the qoran, mohammad and ali.


You represent many of the things that are wrong with the dictatorship in Iran.

Maziar / August 29, 2009 1:42 PM

"meaningless quotes from the qoran, mohammad and ali". "irrelevant part of your 1400 year old fairy tale."


Maziar my friend,


You are talking about my life.


Peace be with you Maziar.

Radical Guy / August 29, 2009 5:20 PM

so what's your point?

Maziar / August 30, 2009 11:52 PM

Maziar,


According to your statements above and because of my beliefs my life is meaningless and irrelevant. Even though you disagree with me I would never say that your life, or anybodys life for that matter is meaningless and irrelevant.


But then I am not logical, I am stupid and brain washed. But I love my children and take care of them as I do my wife. Does not that have meaning? Is not those actions relevant?


Peace be with you Maziar.

Radical Guy / August 31, 2009 12:16 PM

I am glad that you take care of your wife and children. One's family is a completely separate issue from what one does for a living or what one believes.

I personally disagree with the idea of religion. But I would never tell someone how or what to believe. And I expect others to give me that same courtesy. That is why I'm against an islamic government (or any religious government ... budhist, christian, jewish, etc.) It only leads to bigotry, suppression of free speach & dialogue, and eventually tyranny. As you have already agreed, religion is a matter of faith and NOT science. So why should one faith govern over another?

As for your beliefs being a waste of time, that's more for you to decide. In my opinion, yes it is a waste of time to dedicate one's life to a religion because I disagree that faith without evidence is a good thing. BUT IT'S NOT MY LIFE, IT'S YOURS. And as long as religious beliefs are kept to yourself and not forced upon others, it would be hypocritical of me to tell you what to believe.

Maziar / August 31, 2009 1:02 PM

Maziar,


Is life not a miracle? Even the scientists (who appear to be your Gods) agree that all of mankind is derived from one man and one women (National Geographic). This is not a religious statement, it is a scientific statement. You talk about the fairy tales and meaningless quotes from the Qoran. According to your scientists nothing is meaningless. Again, its not my opinion, its is Edward Lorenzo's opinion (butterfly effect, chaos theory). You cannot explain life without belief in God.


Peace be with you Maziar

Radical Guy / August 31, 2009 10:17 PM

You are selectively reading science and discarding the rest.


Scientists are not my gods and the fact that you see it that way shows your mental weakness for needing to bow down to something. The term god is irrelevant.


Your qoran is filled with self-contradictions, contradictions from the supposed previous holy books, ridiculous claims and overall stupidity . The first 2 surahs are nothing but threats. It is a complete joke that anyone would take it seriously. There are better science fiction books on bookshelves.


The qoran can't even get it straight what food will be served in hell. One passage says only boiling water, the other passage says only the puss of infected wounds, another passage says only a bitter & thorny plant. Hilarious that the supposed perfect book can't even get that straight. Your prophet thought thunder and lightning were angels. Wow, that sounds very divinely guided to me.


If you would like me to continue dissecting your religion please say so.

The difference between 1400 years ago and now is that if now you say you talked to god, they would rightfully throw you into a mental hospital. 1400 years ago, they made you a prophet.

Maziar / September 2, 2009 1:09 AM

For your information Maziar, you can not be thrown in a mental hospital for talking to God as most western countries require the proof of a danger, either to yourself (I am going to kill myself) or others (I am going to kill my wife) or you cannot take care of yourself (gravely disabled). Both america and Canada follow these types of laws as a protection of individual rights. In other words, its not illegal to be crazy unless you hurt yourself or others or can not take care of yourself. Iran has similar requirements although more liberal in commitment on a proactive basis, before you become a danger to yourself or others.


As far as your Qoran comments. Remember all books of faith were written long before modern advancement. How is God going to communicate to people who lived thousands of years ago? Through stories that they can understand and identify with. You mention food served in hell, although I am not familiar with your statements, all this passage was communicating is the terrible hell of hell, as nobody would want to eat boiling water, puss or thorny plants - it just means the food is awful, there is no contradiction, its all terrible.


Remember Imam Ali , "Jihad is divided into four branches: to persuade people to be obedient to Allah; to prohibit them from sin and vice; to struggle sincerely and firmly on all occasions and to detest the vicious. Whoever persuades people to obey the orders of Allah provides strength to the believers; whoever dissuades them from vices and sins humiliates the unbelievers; whoever struggles on all occasions discharges all his obligations and whoever detests the vicious only for the sake of Allah, then Allah will take revenge on his enemies and will be pleased with Him on the Day of Judgment."


Peace be with you my friend

Radical Guy / September 3, 2009 11:31 AM

obviously your sarcasm meter doesn't work either. a person who claims to speak to god may not be a danger to himself but he is still crazy!!! I'm sorry if you didn't understand what I was trying to say.


Don't you think a more logical explanation would be that an uneducated illiterate sheppard made up the whole thing after spending days out in the desert? I mean imagine if that had happened recently, and the illiterate sheppard comes to you and asks you to write down his experience of talking with god. What would you say to him? Would you take him seriously? I would refer him to a psychologist/psychiatrist for his own good.


Your comment about god speaking to people in ancient times goes completely against any logic. If he is an omnipotent god, then he would find a way to communicate to all generations regardless of time/class/culture/race/etc. But how come most Chinese still don't believe in allah? Is god not powerful enough to talk to them directly? Why do Hindu's still not believe in allah? Why doesn't this supposed loving god come and talk to each of us directly? If it was that important to him/her/it, he/she/it would have made it more clear than in an ambiguous words in an ambiguous book which we can't verify the exact origin of.


I am an open-minded person to new ideas, contrary to what you may believe. I am willing to shift my thinking based on new EVIDENCE. I would be more than willing to listen to a god if spoken to directly, and then I would believe in that god and maybe even agree to bow down 5 times a day if that god made a good case.

And as for imam ali, i don't remember him or any of his words. He was the nephew of an illiterate sheppard who claimed to speak to god and thought lightning and thunder were angels. Why would I want to follow anything they have to say about stuff they made up?

Maziar / September 4, 2009 2:07 PM

Maziar my friend,


You are constantly asking for evidence, evidence and more evidence.

You are the evidence. You live, you think, there is only one of you in the entire universe, what else evidence do you want? You exist therefore God exists.


Peace be with you.

Radical Guy / September 5, 2009 8:09 PM

That is the most idiotic statement you've made ... and from what i've seen you've made MANY.

Maziar / September 6, 2009 11:53 AM

"uneducated illiterate sheppard made up the whole thing after spending days out in the desert?" You mean that an illiterate sheppard can create a religion that is now followed by billions of people, is the fastest growing religion in the world and is second only to the Christians and will soon overtake them.


An uneducated illiterate sheppard (who becomes a General) can do all that without the help of God? That is the most idiotic statement you've made. The hand of God is everywhere, all you have to do is look Maziar!


Open your eyes and believe, - peace be with you Maziar..

Radical Guy / September 7, 2009 11:09 AM

I'm sorry, but I don't see the same evidence you do (or that you've convinced yourself of). If according to you, god gave me this brain to think with, then he should provide me with the answers my brain has come up with.


One of these questions is why doesn't god come and talk to me directly? Or anyone else for that matter?


If you answer that, I have about a million more questions. It's a tall task for you to undertake, but your omnipotent god should have no problems providing the answers ... correct?

Maziar / September 7, 2009 5:47 PM

Maziar my friend,


Before you ask God to come to you, why don't you come to God?

Peace be with you.

Radical Guy / September 8, 2009 12:33 PM

Because I have read the Koran and it makes no sense to me. Just like the bible and other religious texts. I see how religious people act and what they say, but they don't plead a good case. I see much clearer explanations for how the universe works and how humans behave in Physics, Biology, Chemistry, Anatomy, Astronomy, Psychology and other scientific fields. It is as if all logic is to be thrown out the window when it comes to religion.


If as you say, god gave me this ability to think logically and to learn, then he should have known about my possible doubts ... no? Why wouldn't he want to clear things up for us if our eternal salvation depended on it? Could it be that he doesn't exist? Or if there is a godly entity, he just doesn't care?


Now stop falling back on your redundant meandering slogans and answer my questions.


I'm going to guess that you won't be able to, as no other religious person ever does when I ask the same questions.

Maziar / September 9, 2009 5:33 PM

Maziar, my friend -


I admit to a lack of scientific knowledge, although I do try to learn. I guess you are trying to convert me. So help me to understand, and please do not be offended by my questions, as you are talking to a fundamentalists, as I am required to be, but was considered an enemy and apostate because I felt Shari'a should be suspended. Now you know why I live were I live.


So which of the areas of science you mention have created life? And I am asking this as a serious question. I just do not know.


According to science was life created by something or did it just happen? I have heard of the concept that was popular during the middle ages "spontaneous combustion" where dirt piles up and creates rats. I know this theory was discredited a long, long time ago but does science really know what created life? Please enlighten me.


The Universe was created in an instant by a force I believe was God, others may believe was some other force, we are all derived from one man and one woman and the world will end. These are the scientific statements I believe but fit nicely into what is written in any religions book.


Peace be with you.

Radical Guy / September 10, 2009 12:14 PM

Ok, 2 points before I answer your questions.


1. I am not trying to convert you. We are having a discussion and I disagree with your viewpoints regarding religion and its role in government.


2. I respect your right to believe in anything that you like. I do not have to respect the actual merits of the belief however. And I completely disagree with religious belief in government.


I hope that clears up my stance.


Now onto your question.


The field of science concerned with how life began is Abiogenesis. This is VERY different from Evolution which is the study of how living organisms evolved over time (there is ample evidence backing up the theory of evolution). Abiogenesis is a mix of biochemistry, molecular biology, protein research, DNA/RNA/Chromosome research and perhaps even some Geology. It is the study of how organic molecules formed amino acids and eventually carbohydrates, lipids, proteins, and nucleic acids. From there, there is the formation of DNA/RNA and Chromosomes. You can read about it by looking up "origin of life theories" or something similar to that.


What is really interesting is that earlier this year, scientists were able to recreate one of the key steps of the origin of life, the formation of RNA, in laboratory. This did not get much press, but it could be a monumental scientific discovery. You can read about it here:


http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/

Your assertion that we are can all trace our ancestry to one man and one woman is not exactly correct. At least not how you're thinking (Adam and Eve). Current genetic ancestry projects are looking into our male and female lines of genetics and coming up with some fascinating finds. Look it up, it really is a great read. Your can even apply for your own genetic ancestry kit to help trace your lineage from National Geographics or the Genetic Ancestry Project.

Maziar / September 11, 2009 7:24 PM

Maziar my friend,


''A little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God.''-Francis Bacon.


Just a thought - and for the record, I did not mention Adam or Eve. I find it interesting how you make assumptions without that evidence you always request on me. But I guess that is different - right). I specifically said that science (through DNA analysis) proved that all mankind could be traced back to one man and one woman. Maybe then did not live at the same time, the women 100,000 years ago and the man about 25,000- 50,000 years ago, (there were other lines but none survived) but again it is how you tell the story. I had my DNA traced many years ago.


Muhammad, by many sources is the world's most influential person, even admitted by many western sources. That uneducated illiterate man you joke about. You might ask yourself how could this happen? Remember Muhammad was both a religious and secular leader and in addition to a religious leader, he ranks well as one of the most influential political leaders. He was part of a much bigger reality, the reality of God. And that is an important lesson, we are all part of this much bigger reality.


Peace be with you Maziar.

Radical Guy / September 13, 2009 3:54 PM

You are a big fan of quotes, alway appealing to authority. Well, since you like quotes so much, here is one for you:

"The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry."


by: Richard Dawkins

I'm glad to see that you are not like a lot of the fundamental Christian/Jews/Muslims who think the world was created 6000-10000 years ago and that Adam and Eve lived at the same time. You are correct regarding the difference in time of the male and female branches of modern humans. Do you "believe" in evolution? What parts of the Koran do you read litteraly and what parts do you think are just symbolic? Obviously you don't believe that Adam and Eve lived at the same time as you've mentioned, so that you must take as Symbolic.


Also, Mohamed may be influential, but that doesn't make him right. Hitler, Genghis Khan, Alexander, Stalin have all been influential as well. That doesn't make them right. In fact, even with all the evidence we have of the names I mentioned being evil tyrants, we still have people who believe in their visions and revere them.

Maziar / September 14, 2009 2:07 PM

Maziar my friend,


From what I have read of Dawkins, he blames religion for all the problems of the world, from child abuse to mass murders to war, etc. Personally, I blame the human race, not God. Dawkins will compare everything wrong with religion to everything right about science. No doubt, religion will lose with that comparison. However, what would not lose when you compare everything bad about it with everything good about something else. If I remember right, science does not have a spotless track record. You mention Hitler, so let us talk about Hitler. Arguably Hitler was not religious but in some ways used religion to his advantage. Now what political leader has not done that? And Hitler was influenced by science, specifically eugenics, or improving the human by eliminating those with defective genes through euthanasia and selective breeding. These were scientific theories developed in England and America, NOT NAZI GERMANY, at the turn of the century and basically said get rid of all the people with mental and physical defects, or at least don't allow them to breed, and the human race will improve. Of course Nazi Germany did this first, not with the jews, but with those suffering from mental illness and those possessing certain physical defects. They gassed them in trucks long before they gassed the jews.


While advocating something not as violent as gassing in the west, many scientists, intelictuals and even politicians such as the american president Wilson advocated mandatory sterilization for those with mental and physical defects. And was the practice for many, many years in western countries, american up to 1964 and Sweden up until 1970's.


But science got it wrong, at least the old scientists as now science says that such a program over time would limit the gene pool to such a degree we would all wind up with mental or physical defects as more and more of the recessive genes became dominant, as we all possess recessive genes. In other words, such a program, advocated by science would have ended the human race.


So science is not perfect, but as Imam Ali says, "The more knowledgeable the man, the more valuable the man", and of course science is knowledge. So I do believe in science.


As to the Koran, in my opinion Muhammad, peace be upon him, played a more important role in developing Islam than, lets say Jesus did in development of Christianity.


Why? Well as I understand it, St Paul was the main developer of Christian theology while Muhammad, peace be upon him, was the main developer on the ethical and moral principles of the Koran, which was written more or less during Muhammad lifetime, based on his utterances so their divine inspiration is closer and more accurate than the Bible that was written far later. The Koran is much closer to God. And yes, I believe that some of the Koran is symbolic because of the need to tell the story so mankind could understand God.


You also mention Hitler, Genghis Khan, Alexander and Stalin. Well the big difference between Muhammad and the above individuals is that the above empires did not last. They have faded away into history, but not Islam. Is this not the hand of God?


Mazier, my friend, I guess we will never agree on anything. So be it.


Peace be with you.

Radical Guy / September 15, 2009 11:35 AM

Yes, science is not perfect and it doesn't pretend to be like religion does. It is an evolving understanding which every hour and day corrects itself as it finds more and more about the world.

You didn't answer my question again. Do you think evolution is real? Do you believe scientists when they say humans and chimpanzees have a common ancestor? And that all mammals probably have one ancestor? and that the ancestors of birds are most likely dinosaurs?

Now onto the Koran, if it is so close to the word of god why is it so full of inconsistencies, logical fallacies, and threats? Wouldn't an omnipotent god want to have his word be distributed more clearly?

You are right though, we will probably never see eye to eye. The good thing about a free society is that we don't have to and we can both have our points of view. Unlike in a dictatorship like Iran.

What do you think of your Supreme Leader's latest edict that social scineces and wester philosophies should not be taught in an islamic society?

Maziar / September 16, 2009 11:55 AM

Maziar my friend,


I do not believe that religion claims to be perfect. I believe most religions believe that God is perfect. That is a big difference. Nothing man does is perfect, including his interpretation of God's words, or his science. Perfection is reserved for God.


I believe that there is evidence (your word) that evolution is real, but your argument that evolution is evidence there is no God is not conclusive as it could be argued that God is the driver of evolution. Your comments on chimpanzees and humans as I understand it is in great dispute now in the UK. Per anthropologists in the UK, there is sufficient evidence that humankind actually evolved from a great swimming hairless ape, not the chimpanzee's line as previously thought. Again, scientists change their mind and there are arguments both ways. I don't know who is right and don't care, as it has no relevance to my beliefs. As far as birds are dinosaurs, I don't believe that all scientists believe that either, although the majority is being swayed in that direction. Again, I don't spend much time thinking about it because it is not relevant to my beliefs but I must admit when I read this several years ago I never quite looked at my daughter's pet bird the same way. As far as all mammals having one ancestor, again I just don't know and don't spend much time thinking about it.


As far as your comments about the Koran, are not your statements more of an opinion than a fact? What you see as an inconsistency others do not. Believers see things differently than non-believers. Look at it this way, while whites see the american government one way, many of their citizens of color, who have been exploited and oppressed for over 250 years see america entirely different. You will never be able to see the Koran the way I do, as you are not a believer. You talk about the free society you live in. If you are of color, you know what a joke that statement is. Do not all the whites in american want Obama to fail?


I have no opinion on Rahbare Moazzam comments about western influence (philosophies/social science, etc). But I wish he luck, as I believe that keeping western influence out of Iran is like shoveling sand against the sea.


Peace be with you Maziar.

Radical Guy / September 17, 2009 12:01 PM

Don't most Muslims claim the Koran to be the perfect word of god?


I am not using evolution against the existence of a "god". But I do believe evolution and science do start to poke holes in organized religion texts.


I don't have a lot of time over right now, but I'll get back to the contradictions in the Koran and you can give your opinion on the specific instances.

Maziar / September 20, 2009 11:23 AM