03.18.2019

Steven Van Zandt on Bruce, The Sopranos and More

Walter Isaacson sits down with Bruce Springsteen’s wing man, actor and musician “Little Steven” Van Zandt.

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> NOW IT IS TIME FOR US TO TURN TO A MUSICAL AND TELEVISION LEGEND.

YOU MAY KNOW HIM AS A FOUNDING MEMBER OF BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN'S ICONIC E STREET BAND OR AS SILVIO DANTE, TONY SOPRANO, IN THE SOPRANO'S, AND STEVE VAN ZAN HAS A NEW PROJECT WORKING TO PRESERVE ARTS AND MUSIC EDUCATION IN THE SCHOOLS AND HE SITS DOWN WITH OUR WALTER ISAACSON TO DISCUSS THE TEACHER OL DARITY TOUR AND HIS NEW ALBUM 'SUMMER OF SOURCE RY'.

WOW, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

A PLEASURE TO MEET YOU.

SO SPRINGSTEEN, THE SOPRANOS, SOUL FIRE, AND NOW, YOU'RE INTO EDUCATION.

EXPLAIN HOW YOU GOT THERE.

YOU HAVE BECOME AN ADVOCATE FOR MUSIC IN EDUCATION.

YES, IT WAS A STRANGE ROAD.

ONE I DIDN'T REALLY INTEND TO TAKE.

BUT THE MUSIC TEACHERS CAME TO ME, I DON'T KNOW, TEN, 12 YEARS AGO NOW, AND THEY SAID LISTEN, NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND LEGISLATION HAS DEVASTATED ALL OF THE ARTS, YOU KNOW.

IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN LOOK INTO?

SO I WENT TO CONGRESS, I TALKED TO TEDDY KENNEDY AT THE TIME, AND MITCH McCONNELL.

AND I SAID LISTEN, THIS NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND LEGISLATION IS DOING A BAD THING AND THEY SAID IT WAS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, I SAID OKAY, OKAY, SO FIX IT, YOU KNOW.

THEY'RE LIKE, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, OKAY?

SO I SAID, I CAME BACK TO THEM, I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I SAID LET'S DO THE NEXT BEST THING, LET'S DO OUR MUSIC HISTORY CURRICULUM, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO KEEP THE ARTS IN THE DNA OF OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM SOMEHOW.

SO LET'S AVOID THE HIGH SCHOOL YEARS, AND KIND OF FOCUS ON THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, BECAUSE NOW, HIGH SCHOOL IS COMPLETELY OBSESSED WITH TESTING, AND SOME DAY, THEY'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT THAT TESTING IS NOT OKAY, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION.

BUT RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE TO DO THESE TESTS, AND GET HIGHER SCORES ON MATH AND SCIENCE.

TO IMPROVE THE MATH AND SCIENCE SCORE, YOU KNOW.

SO ANYWAY, SO I SAID OKAY, LET'S DO THAT.

I OUTLINED 200 LESSONS AND WE WORKED ON IT FOR TEN YEARS.

SO THIS IS A CHOLE CUR, A WH CURRICULUM THAT TEACHERS CAN USE THAT USES ROCK MUSIC AND IF YOU USE ROCK MUSIC, YOU CAN TEACH EVERYTHING.

IT IS NOT JUST ROCK MUSIC BUT POPULAR MUSIC.

AND WE GO ALL THE WAY BACK WE STARTED IN THE EARLYth 20th CENTURY WITH COUNTRY BLUES AND WENT UP TO THE CURRENT TYPES AND I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING THAT KIND OF DEALT WITH THE MODERN WORLD, IN THE SENSE THAT THIS GENERATION IS DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW.

IT IS PROBABLY THE SECOND BIGGEST GENERATION GAP AFTER OURS.

AND MAY EVEN BE THE FIRST BIGGEST IN THE SENSE THAT THESE KIDS ARE DIFFERENT.

THEY'RE FASTER.

THEY'RE SMARTER.

THEY HAVE NO PATIENCE WHATSOEVER.

YOU KNOW.

AND WE HAVE TO KIND OF ADJUST TO THAT.

SO I THOUGHT, LET'S DO SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR THEM.

INSTEAD OF DRAGGING THEM TO OUR OLD METHODS OF LEARN THIS NOW, AND SOME DAY YOU'LL USE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO FLY WITH THESE KIDS ANYMORE.

THEY WANT SOMETHING NOW, THEY CAN USE NOW, YOU KNOW.

THEY ARE SO USED TO THAT DEVICE GIVING THEM EVERYTHING THEY WANT EVERY TEN SECOND, RIGHT?

I SAID LET'S DO MUSIC.

MUSIC IS THE PERFECT ANSWER.

EVERY KID'S INTO MUSIC.

YOU KNOW, AND LET'S JUST GO INTO A CLASSROOM AND GO TO THEM.

NOT DRAG THEM TO US.

SO WE ASKED THEM WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE ARTIST, EVERY KID KNOWS THAT ANSWER, RIGHT?

AND LET'S TRACE THEM BACK.

YOU'RE INTO WHOEVER IT IS, ARIANA GRANDE, WHATEVER, SHE COMES FROM THIS ONE, THAT ONE COMES FROM THAT ONE, THAT ONE COMES FROM ARETHA FRANKLIN.

SO YOU TRACED THE ROOTS ALL THE WAY BACK THROUGH MUSIC IN THE 20th CENTURY.

AND GIVE THEM A LITTLE CONTEXT OF THE HISTORY OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING WHEN THAT ARTIST CAME OUT, WHEN THAT SONG WAS WRITTEN, AND WHY IT WAS WRITTEN, YOU KNOW.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, THEY'RE ENGAGED.

YOU TALK TO ANY TEACHER TODAY, WHAT IS THE TOUGHEST THING, WHAT IS THEIR BIGGEST CHALLENGE?

ENGAGING THE KIDS, RIGHT?

AND KEEPING THEM ENGAGED.

WELL THIS ENGAGES THEM IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE IT IS THE ONE SUBJECT THEY'RE ALL EXPERTS IN WHICH IS THEIR OWN TASTE, YOU KNOW.

THEY KNOW WHAT THEY LIKE.

AND LET'S BRING SOME ATTENTION TO TEACHERS WHO ARE JUST THE MOST UNDERAPPRECIATED, UNDERFUNDED, UNDERPAID PEOPLE.

AND LET'S START TO MAKE THEM, LET'S MAKE THEM COOL, YOU KNOW, AS COOL AS WE CAN.

SO WE PUT ASIDE 4, 500 TICKETS EVERY SINGLE SHOW, TEACHERS COME FOR FREE, BRING A FRIEND, AND WE DO AN HOUR WORKSHOP IN BETWEEN THE SOUND CHECK AND THE SHOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DO 20, 25 HOURS OF PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT EVERY YEAR, TO CERTIFY FOR THEIR TEACHING CERTIFICATE, AND THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

OUT OF THEIR MEAGER SALARIES.

RIGHT?

LET'S GIVE THEM AN HOUR FOR FREE.

HOPEFULLY IT WILL COUNT TOWARDS THEIR CERTIFICATE.

MOST PLACES, IT DOES.

AND WE HAVE THE FOUNDATION PEOPLE COME OUT AND DO THE WORKSHOP OF HOW THE CURRICULUM WORKS, SO IT WAS A WAY OF CONNECTING THEM TO THE CURRICULUM DIRECTLY.

WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON THE ADMINISTRATION LEVEL, SCHOOL BOARD LEVEL, AND NEW JERSEY HAS ADOPTED OUR CURRICULUM NOW, AND THEY'RE THE FIRST STATE I THINK TO OFFICIALLY ADOPT STEAM, FROM STEM, YOU KNOW, AND PUT THE 'A' INTO THE CURRICULUM, AND WE'RE HOPING TO DO THAT IN EVERY SINGLE STATE.

WITH YOUR PASSION FOR THE TEACHERS, YOU'RE IN LOS ANGELES ON TOUR, AND ONE MORNING, I WAKE UP, AND YOU'RE WALKING THE PICKET LINE ON A STRIKE WITH THE L.A. SCHOOLTEACHERS.

WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT?

YES, IT WAS FUN.

I HAPPENED TO BE THERE FOR A MEETING AND I SAW ON THE NEWS WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND LET ME GO SUPPORT THEM AND I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF THE UNIONS AND HAPPILY, THE STRIKE ENDED A DAY LATER.

YOU TALKED ABOUT BEING EXPOSED TO ALL OF THE ART, MUSIC, AND THE VARIOUS TYPES OF ART, AND DID YOU EVER THINK GROWING UP AS A KID IN NEW JERSEY YOU WOULD NOT ONLY BE INTO MUSIC, BUT BE INTO RADIO, AND BE INTO VINYL, BUT ALSO BE INTO ACTING, AND TELEVISION, AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU DO?

NO.

NO.

WE WERE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING PLAYING ROCK AND ROLL.

WHICH WAS A MIRACLE ITSELF, YOU KNOW.

IT WAS SUCH A LONG SHOT.

AS OUR PARENTS WOULD OFTEN REMIND US, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?

ARE YOU GOING TO BE A BEATLE?

YOU KNOW.

WELL, NOW THAT YOU PUT IT THAT WAY, YOU KNOW.

FEBRUARY 9th, 1964, THE BEATLES PLAYED ED SULLIVAN, AND THE DAY BEFORE, NOBODY HAD A BAND, AND THEN EVERYBODY HAD A BAND.

YOU WATCHED IT?

OH, YES.

ME AND 70 MILLION OTHERS.

AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T ALL GET OUT OF A GARAGE, OKAY?

MOST OF THE BANDS, YOU KNOW.

BUT A DOZEN OR SO THAT DID, I HAD MY BAND, HE HAD HIS BAND, SO WE WERE IMMEDIATELY FRIENDS, YOU KNOW.

HOW LONG HAVE YOU KNOWN BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, I KNOW BEST MAN IN YOUR WEDDING MANY DECADES AGO AND HOW HAVE YOU EVOLVED AND CHANGED TOGETHER?

DO YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT NUMBER OUTLOUD?

WE'VE BEEN FRIENDS 50 YEARS.

I WAS LIKE 15, HE WAS 16.

THINGS HAVEN'T CHANGED MUCH, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, IN 50 YEARS.

I MEAN WE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT OUR OWN FAMILIES AND OUR OWN, YOU LIVE YOUR OWN LIVES, BUT NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED.

TELL ME ABOUT THE SOUTH AFRICA CRUSADE.

I DECIDED TO MAKE, SOLO RECORDS, I DECIDED I WILL BE THE POLITICAL GUY.

THERE'S A LOT OF ARTISTS SHOWING UP AT DEMONSTRATIONS AND PROTESTS AND DOING A LOT OF GREAT POLITICAL WORK, AND STARTED WITH THE GRATEFUL DEAD AND JEFFSON AIRPLANE, AND A GREAT TRADITION OF YOU KNOW, POLITICAL INVOLVEMENT THAT WAY, BUT THERE WASN'T A WHOLE LOT OF IT IN THE WORK.

SO I WROTE ABOUT LATIN AMERICA, BITTER FRUIT, AND VARIOUS THINGS, I TALKED ABOUT, AND I ENDED UP IN SOUTH AFRICA, THE ONE PLACE I COULDN'T FIND THAT MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT.

I HAD HEARD THAT THEY WERE DOING THESE REFORMS OF THE APARTHEID SYSTEM AND IT WAS GETTING BETTER, YOU KNOW, 'THE NEW YORK TIMES' BASICALLY SAYING THAT THEY WERE AN INVULNERABLE COUNTRY, VERY SCARY COUNTRY, POSSIBLY WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS, BUT THEY WERE REFORMING THE GOVERNMENT, AND SO I WENT THERE WITH A COMPLETELY OPEN MIND, HOPING TO SEE THESE REFORMS, AND INSTEAD, I FOUND SLAVERY.

MODERN SLAVERY.

AND REALIZED THAT THIS SYSTEM CAN'T BE REFORMED.

IT HAS TO BE ELIMINATED.

AND THE SPORTS BOYCOTT HAD ALREADY HAPPENED.

IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE.

THE ULTIMATE HOMERUN WAS THE ECONOMIC BOYCOTT.

WHICH WOULD BRING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT.

IN BETWEEN WAS THE CULTURAL BOYCOTT.

I SAID LET'S FOCUS ON THAT AND BE A BRIDGE TO THAT, TOWARDS THAT ECONOMIC BOYCOTT, AT WHICH POINT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, YOU KNOW, THIS GOVERNMENT WILL FALL.

THEY WERE COPYING OUR NATIVE AMERICAN RESERVATIONS, AND CREATING THESE PHONY HOMELANDS, AND THEN CREATE, MAKE THOSE HOMELANDS INDEPENDENT COUNTRIES, IN ONE OF THESE PHONY HOMELANDS, WAS THIS RESORT CALLED SUB CITY SO THEY WERE ENTICING, PAYING BIG MONEY FOR PEOPLE COME PLAY SUN CITY, VIOLATE THE BUY COT AND PRETEND THEY WEREN'T VIOLATING THE BOYCOTT BECAUSE IT WAS A SEPARATE COUNTRY.

IT WASN'T A SEPARATE COUNTRY.

SO WE WANTED TO EXPOSE THAT.

IT IS NOT A SEPARATE COUNTRY.

IT'S A PHONY HOMELAND AND YOU ARE VIOLATING THE BOYCOTT.

IT IS SOUTH AFRICA BY PLAYING THERE.

SO DON'T PLAY THERE ANYMORE.

AND WE SHUT THEM DOWN.

OVERNIGHT.

THE MONEY'S GOING TO THE AFRICA FUND.

FAMILIES OF POLITICAL PRISONERS.

SOUTH AFRICANS IN EXILE.

IT WAS VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL.

AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE PUBLICITY, THE SENATORS, AND CONGRESSMEN, KIDS WERE COMING TO THEM SAYING WHAT IS THIS SOUTH AFRICA THING, WE GOT ON MTV, WE GOT ON B.E.T. --

♪ SAY I, I, I --

I'M NOT GOING TO PLAY SUN CITY, IT BECAME ALMOST A MANTRA.

AND IT GOT THE WHOLE MOVEMENT REENERGIZED.

AND IN THE END, IT WAS THE FIRST OVERRIDING OF, THE BASIC LEGISLATION POPPED UP, TO CUT THEM OFF ECONOMICALLY, REAGAN VETOED IT, AND HIS VETO WAS OVERRIDDEN FOR THE FIRST TIME.

AND THAT WAS THE END.

ONCE THAT HAPPEN, THE DOMINOS STARTED TO FALL AND THEY HAD TO LET MANDELA OUT, AND THE GOVERNMENT FELL.

AND YOUR MUSIC HAS BEEN VERY, VERY POLITICAL.

BOTH YOURS AND THEN YOURS WITH THE E STREET BAND BUT RECENTLY, YOUR LAST ALBUM, ART.

SO TELL ME YOUR VIEW OF POLITICS AND MUSIC.

MY VALUE AT THIS MOMENT IS TO MAYBE TRY AND BRING SOME COMMON GROUND BETWEEN OUR VERY DIVISIVE, DIVIDED NATION, YOU KNOW.

AND SO I WANTED TO, I SAID, YOU KNOW, I ANNOUNCED THIS AFTER SHOWS, I SAID LISTEN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANY POLITICS TONIGHT, EVERYBODY IS WELCOME, YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO TRANSPORT YOU BY PURE ART, BY PURE MUSIC BY THIS AMAZING BAND I PUT TOGETHER, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DWELL ON ANYTHING PARTISAN, YOU KNOW.

AND SO I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING PARTISAN SINCE I STARTED THIS.

12 YEARS AGO.

I DIDN'T ENDORSE OBAMA.

AND I'M NOT CRITICIZING TRUMP.

YOU KNOW, I WANT EVERYBODY TO FEEL FREE AND FEEL WELCOME WHEN THEY COME TO THE SHOW.

IT'S ABOUT THE MUSIC.

LET ME TAKE YOU ON A TRIP AND GET AWAY FROM THIS FOR A MINUTE.

AND WE NEED A SANCTUARY FOR THE POLITICS AT THIS POINT.

RATHER THAN ME DRAGGING PEOPLE INTO AWARENESS AND CONSCIOUSNESS ABOUT POLITICS.

AT THIS POINT, WE NEED AN ACTUAL BREAK FROM IT.

SO OUR MINDS CAN EVEN FUNCTION THE NEXT DAY, WHEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS, YOU KNOW, INCREDIBLE ONSLAUGHT OF BAD NEWS EVERY DAY.

YOU'RE WORKING ON A NEW ALBUM.

THE NEW ALBUM IS DONE.

COMING OUT MAY 3rd.

SUMMER OF SORCERY.

I'M VERY PROUD OF IT.

A BIG LEAP FOR ME ARTISTICALLY.

THE FIRST NONPOLITICAL ALBUM REALLY FOR THE MOST PART AND ALSO THE FIRST FICTIONAL ALBUM.

IT IS THE FIRST ALBUM I'VE DONE THAT IS NOT AUTO BIOGRAPHICAL.

I WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM ME, ME, ME, YOU KNOW.

I AM SICK OF ME.

I WANT TO MAKE RECORDS LIKE THE RECORDS I GREW UP WITH, YOU KNOW.

SAM COOK AND SMOKY ROBINSON AND THE BEATLES AND STONES AND ALL OF THOSE GREAT BANDS THAT WERE NOT SPECIFICALLY AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW.

I WANTED TO TRY THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME.

SO I'VE SUCCEEDED IN DOING IT AND I'M VERY, VERY PROUD OF IT.

DOES IT TIE IN WITH THIS NOTION OF A HISTORY OF JAZZ, I MEAN HISTORY OF MUSIC AND ITS ROOTS?

FOR ME, IT IS CERTAINLY, IT'S AN EVOLUTION FOR ME, CERTAINLY, OF ALL OF MY WORK.

SO I'M VERY PROUD OF IT THAT WAY.

YOU CAN HEAR WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

BUT NOW, IN THE FORM OF ORIGINAL SONGS AS OPPOSED TO COVERS.

AND YES, BEFORE THAT, THE TOUR IS COMING OUT, ON BLU-RAY, THE SOUL FIRE TOUR AND A SEVEN ALBUM VINYL BOX.

WE STARTED PLAYING ON THE RADIO NOW THE PAUL McCARTNEY JOINED ME ON STAGE, WHICH I WAS THRILLED ABOUT, ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF MY LIFE, THE NEW ALBUM WILL COME FIRST WEEK IN MAY AND THERE WILL SABOTEUR WITH THAT.

AS A PIONEER, THERE WILL BE, A TOUR WITH THAT.

AS A PIONEER, NETFLIX, AND YOUR SHOW, AND HOW HAS NETFLIX AND THINGS LIKE THAT CHANGED THE NATURE OF WHAT YOU CAN DO ON TV?

IT WAS THE SOPRANOS THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING, I THINK.

AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH RECOGNIZED NOW.

AND THAT TOOK THREE ELEMENTS WHICH IS HBO BEING VERY COURAGEOUS TO GIVE YOU THE BANK SL SLATE, BLANK SLATE, YOU KNOW, GAVE DAVID CHASE THE FREEDOM TO DO WHAT HE WANTED TO DO.

DAVID CHASE IS JUST A GENIUS.

AND IT TOOK GANDOLFINI TO PULL IT OFF SO BETWEEN ALL THREE, THEY CREATED THIS THING THAT WAS NEW.

WHICH WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE REALISTIC.

AS YOU'RE WATCHING SOPRANOS AND YOU CHANGE THE CHANNEL TO OTHER SHOWS, THEY LOOKED QUITE FALSE IN COMPARISON, YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT WAS LIT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE OTHER SHOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN, LOOKED OVERLIT, YOU KNOW, AND ALL KINDS OF CAMERA MOVES, AND YOU KNOW, THE SOPRANOS WAS AS CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, A DOCUMENTARY AS YOU'RE GOING TO GET.

IT WAS VERY, YOU KNOW, THE CAMERA DIDN'T MOVE, THERE WAS NOTHING DUCTIVE ABOUT SEDUCTIVE ABOUT IT.

NOTHING ARTISTICALLY GIMMICKY, YOU KNOW.

AND I STILL MISS THAT ON TV, YOU KNOW.

TURNING ON A SHOW AND RELATING TO THE CHARACTERS.

I DON'T SEE THAT ANYMORE.

NOT VERY OFTEN.

AND IT WAS DAVID CHASE WHO DECIDED I WAS AN ACTOR, BEFORE I KNEW I WAS AN ACTOR.

I GENUINELY DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING TO GAIN BY KEEPING HIM AROUND.

SO HE GOT YOU ON THE SPRAN YOSE.

H -- SOPRANOS.

HOW DID THAT HEAP?

HE SAW ME INDUCTING THE RASCALS ON THE HALL OF FAME.

FIRST TIME IT WAS TELEVISED.

A LOT OF DESTINY HAPPENING HERE, WALTER.

AND HE JUST HAPPENED TO BE AROUND, AND HE WAS A FAN, NOT ONLY THESE RECORDS, HE HAD MY SOLO RECORDS AND CALLED ME UP AND DO YOU WANT TO BE IN MY NEW TV SHOW, NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AN ACTOR, AND HE SAID YES YOU ARE.

YOU JUST ZOODON'T KNOW IT YET.

I HAD NOTHING BETTER TO DO.

I HAD BEEN PRETTY MUCH BEEN BLACK-BALLED FROM THE MUSIC IN SOUTH AFRICA, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SING IN SOUTH AFRICA, DON'T BRING DOWN GOVERNMENTS, NOT SMILED ON IN THE CORPORATE WORLD SO I HAPPENED TO BE IN TWO PLACES WHERE HISTORY WAS MADE JUST BY ACCIDENT, ONE WITH SOPRANOS BRINGING THIS WHOLE NEW CONSCIOUSNESS TO TV, AND THEN NETFLIX, TURNING IT INTO AN INTERNATIONAL THING, YOU KNOW.

OUR SHOW WAS REALLY, WHAT WE HAD WAS REALLY THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL SHOW.

I WAS AN AMERICAN STARRING IN A NORWEGIAN SHOW.

IT WAS ALL SUBTITLED.

TAKE CARE.

WHO ARE WE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF?

ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT YOUR FIRST SHOW TO BE SUBTITLED?

I LOVE IT, BUT YOU KNOW, I WAS ROOTING FOR THE GUY, I WANTED THEM TO WIN, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE THIS WHOLE NEW WORLD FOR US PEOPLE WHO ARE CONTENT CREATORS, YOU KNOW, WHAT A WONDERFUL NEW THING, IF THIS NETFLIX ACTUALLY SUCCEEDS, I WANT THEM TO SUCCEED, I SAID THE FIRST SHOW, SUBTITLES, REALLY?

AND HE SAID YEAH, I LIKE IT.

IT IS VERY AUTHENTIC.

AND I WAS VERY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE THE ONLY EUROPEAN SHOW IN HISTORY THAT WASN'T REMADE FOR AMERICA, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW.

ALMOST EVERYTHING ELSE GETS REMADE.

THAT SHOW AND THE ACTUAL NORWEGIAN ACTORS WHO WERE JUST TERRIFIC, AND GREAT DIRECTORS AND CINEMAING TO GRAPHERERS AND I'M THE ONLY ONE SPEAKING ENGLISH YOU KNOW.

IF THE E STREET BAND GETS BACK TOGETHER AND YOU DO SOMETHING AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WHAT WOULD YOU HOPE IT WOULD BE?

I WOULD HOPE IT WOULD BE A NEW ALBUM AND A NEW TOUR.

BRUCE, YOU KNOW, IT COMES FROM HIM, YOU KNOW.

BUT I HOPE IT WOULD BE LIKE THE OLD DAYS, YOU KNOW.

WHERE THE BAND CONTRIBUTES TO IT, AND YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS DID, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS, AT THAT TIME, I WAS PRODUCING AS WELL AS HELPING OUT WITH THE ARRANGEMENT, AND I WOULD HOPE TO DO THAT AGAIN.

WHATEVER HE WANTS, WHATEVER HE NEEDS, YOU KNOW, I'M, THERE THE BAND'S THERE FOR HIM BUT I THINK WE WILL GET BACK TOGETHER, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHEN, BUT IT WILL HAPPEN EVENTUALLY.

THANKS FOR BEING WITH US.

OH, MAN.

APPRECIATE IT, MAN.

MY PLEASURE.

MY PLEASURE.

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