July 20, 2019

Ted Cruz

Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) joins Firing Line to discuss the backlash over President Trump’s racially charged tweets aimed at four Democrat Congresswoman. Cruz also discuss his concerns about anti-Semitism and socialism in the progressive left, and addresses immigration policy and border detentions.

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HE’S A CONSERVATIVE SENATOR FROM TEXAS, KNOWN FOR HIS SHARP RHETORIC AND PAST RUN-INS WITH DONALD TRUMP. THIS WEEK ON ‘FIRING LINE,’ THE SON OF A CUBAN IMMIGRANT, SENATOR TED CRUZ BURST ON THE NATIONAL STAGE AFTER HIS GRASSROOTS CAMPAIGN LED HIM TO THE SENATE IN 2012.

WE WILL GET BACK AND RESTORE THAT SHINING CITY ON A HILL.
THIS IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

A TEA PARTY DARLING STAUNCHLY OPPOSED TO FEDERAL SPENDING AND NOT AFRAID TO PULL OFF A STUNT LIKE THIS.

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DO YOU LIKE ‘GREEN EGGS AND HAM’? I DO NOT LIKE THEM, SAM I AM.

HIS 2016 PRESIDENTIAL BID FALL TERD WHENNER CANDIDATE GOT THE BETTER OF HIM.

AN ANCHOR BABY.
TED CRUZ IS AN ANCHOR BABY.

SOUNDS LIKE SHAKESPEARE, RIGHT?
LIKE EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS SHAKESPEARE.
EVEN IF HE IS MAKING A SIMPLE STATEMENT.

CRUZ AND PRESIDENT TRUMP HAVE MADE THEIR PEACE.

BEAUTIFUL DAY.

I CALL HIM TEXAS TED.

AND CLOSELY ALIGNED ON THE PRESIDENT’S AGENDA.

THE PRESIDENT IS FIGHTING TO DO WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT, WHICH IS SECURE THE BORDER, BUILD A WALL AND KEEP OUR COUNTRY SAFE.

IN A WEAK MARK —
I LOOK AT OMAR, I HEAR THE WAY SHE TALKS ABOUT AL QAEDA.
AL QAEDA HAS KILLED MANY AMERICANS.
SHE SAID YOU COULD HOLD YOUR CHEST SEND BETTER BACK!

WHAT DOES SENATOR TED CRUZ SAY NOW.

> ADDITIONAL FUNDING IS PROVIDED BY — CORPORATE FUNDING IS PROVIDED BY STEPHENS, INC.? SENATOR TED CRUZ, WELCOME TO ‘FIRING LINE.’

GREAT TO YOU WITH YOU.

IN YOUR SECOND TERM AS A SENATOR FROM THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS.
YOU ARE A FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.
YOU ALSO WERE A FORMER SOLICITOR GENERAL FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND YOU ROSE TO PROMINENCE INITIALLY AMIDST THE TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVE UPRISING DURING THE PRESIDENCY OF BARACK OBAMA.
YOU ARE A DESCENDANT OF A CUBAN.
YOU WRITE VERY PROUDLY AND JUSTIFIABLY, I THINK, OF THE JOURNEY YOU TOOK FROM CUBA TO CANADA AND THE GREAT PAINS HE TOOK TO BECOME AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.
IF SOMEONE TOLD YOU TO GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?

TO BE HONEST, IT HAPPENS EVERY DAY ON TWITTER.

PEOPLE TELL YOU TO GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM?
HOW ABOUT IF THAT PERSON WAS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

WE LIVE IN, SADLY, TOO CUOARE A WORLD WHERE EVERYONE’S RHETORIC IS OVERHEATED.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO RATCHET IT DOWN.
THAT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOU ARE SMOOTHING IT OVER, LIKE YOU DON’T BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS A SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO SET A TONE AND CIVILITY, A STANDARD OF CIVILITY FOR THE COUNTRY?

THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS AND TWEETS THAT I WISH HE DIDN’T SAY AND I WISH I DIDN’T TWEET.
I DON’T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT.
BY THE WAY, A LOT OF THINGS THE DEMOCRATS SAY AND TWEET.
I THINK WE SHOULD GET BACK TO A TIME WHERE WE TREATED EACH OTHER WITH CIVILITY AND SOME DEGREE OF RESPECT.
THAT DOESN’T MEAN YOU DISAGREE.
WE CAN HAVE VIGOROUS DISAGREEMENTS.

IT IS RELEVANT BECAUSE IT PERTAINS TO POLICY BECAUSE WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAYS HAS A RIPPLE EFFECT.
HE TWEETED ON SUNDAY THAT PROGRESSIVE CONGRESSWOMEN SHOULD FIX THE BROKEN AND CRIME-INFESTED PLACES FROM WHICH THEY CAME.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE THINK THAT WAS RACIST?

LISTEN, I HAVE HAD A LONG STANDING POLICY THAT I DON’T COMMENT ON TWEETS.
I ENGAGE IN SUBSTANCE, POLICY.

I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE OF IT.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE THINK THAT WAS RACIST?

I UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE’S RHETORIC IS OVERHEATED.
I DON’T THINK IT SHOULD BE.

THAT’S NOT MY QUESTION.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE THINK THAT WAS RACIST.
I AM NOT GOING IT ASK YOU —
I AM NOT GOING TO ENGAGE IN THE BACK AND FORTH ON THAT.
WHAT I’M HAPPY TO ENGAGE IN —
WHY NOT?

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS FRESHMAN TRIO AND THEIR SUBSTANTIVE RECORD IT IS EXTREME, RADICAL.
IT IS I THINK HARMFUL TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

ON THE SUBSTANCE OF WHETHER IT’S RACIST OR NOT —
YEAH, I’M JUST NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE FOOD FIGHT.

SO YOU ARE NOT GOING — BECAUSE, LOOK, EVEN THE NATIONAL REVIEW, THERE ARE CONSERVATIVES STARTING TO SAY DEMOCRATS OFTEN PLAY THE RACE CARD AND PLAY IT INKREGTSLY AND RERONIOUSLY.
WHEN REAL RACISM SHOWS UP, IT TAKES PEOPLE ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE TO POLICE THEIR OWN.
WHEN YOU SEE REAL RACISM EMERGE, WHY NOT CALL IT WHAT IT IS?

LOOK, I THINK THE MEDIA LOVES TO SCREAM RACISM ON A TAYLY BASIS —
THAT’S WHAT I SAID.
AND DEMOCRATS DO IT, TOO.

AND THAT HAS —
BUT WHEN IT REALLY HAPPENS, WHY NOT CALL IT OUT?

LOOK, WHEN ONE MUCH THESE FRESHMEN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, CONGRESSWOMEN TLAIB WAS VIDEOED SAYING SHE HAD COME TO WASHINGTON TO IMPEACH THE M-F-ER AS SHE WAS EXPLAINING SHE WAS SAYING THIS TO HER YOUNG SON.
THAT RHETORIC IS NOT BENEFICIAL.

I APPRECIATE IT.
SHE IS NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

ON BOTH SIDES THE RHETORIC IS OVERHEATED.
BY THE WAY, I HAVE HAD RHETORIC DIRECTED AT ME FROM ALL SORTS OF PLAYERS HERE.
WHEN SOMEONE COMES AFTER ME AND INSULTS ME AND IMPUGNS MY CHARACTER PERSONALLY, I TRY VERY HARD NOT TO RESPOND IN KIND.
I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON SUBSTANCE.
THAT’S WHAT I’M DOING.
SO YOU —
YOUR POSITION IS THAT YOU WILL NEVER CALL OUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IF HE IS IN YOUR PARTY IF YOU BELIEVE THAT IF IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM, YOU DON’T BELIEVE HE HAS A SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITY AND CONSERVATIVES HAVE A SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO CALL OUT RACISM WHEN IT APPEARS ON THAT SIDE?

ACTUALLY, YOU COULD POINT TO JUST THIS WEEK, I SPOKE OUT VERY LOUDLY BECAUSE THE STATE OF TENNESSEE DECLARED AN OFFICIAL DAY TO BE NATHAN BEDFORD FORREST DAY.

I SAW THAT.
YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT.
THE FIRST GRAND WIZARD OF THE KKK SHOULD NOT BE CELEBRATED EVERY YEAR IN TENNESSEE.
THAT’S AN EASY AND SAFE POSITION, DON’T YOU THINK?

NOT NECESSARILY.
IT’S A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR IN TENNESSEE.

TENNESSEEANS DON’T ELECT YOU.
YOU DON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT TOO MUCH.

THERE WEREN’T A LOT TO OF PEOPLE STANDING OUT AND LEADING ON THAT.
THAT I SAW AND IT WAS OFFENSIVE.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO YOUR UNWILLINGNESS THE TWEETS THAT ARE CLEARLY RACIST FROM THE PRESIDENT HE CALLS HIS TWEETS OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT POLICY.

I TELL YOU PART OF THE REASON A LOT OF AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE TUNED OUT WHAT GOES ON IN THE MEDIA IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE OBSESSED BY WHAT HE TWEETS.
IT REALLY IS THE MEDIA.
WHEN I GO HOME TO TEXAS, NOBODY ASKS ABOUT THIS STUFF.
I’M TELLING YOU IT IS —
IT’S WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAYS.
IT’S NOT THE MEDIA.

IT’S THE ONLY THING THE MEDIA TALKS ABOUT ALL DAY LONG.
THEY OBSESS.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
TOMORROW THE MEDIA WILL BE OBSESSING OVER SOME OTHER TWEET THE PRESIDENT SAYS TOMORROW.
I’M NOT GOING TO ENGAGE IN THE BACK AND FORTH.
YOU KNOW WHAT I’M MUCH MORE INTERESTED IN?
WE HAVE THE LOWEST UNEMPLOYMENT IN 50 YEARS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I’M INTERESTED IN.
WE HAVE THE LOWEST AFRICAN-AMERICAN UNEMPLOYMENT EVER RECORDED RIGHT NOW TODAY.
WE HAVE THE LOWEST HISPANIC UNEMPLOYMENT EVER RECORDED.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND HISPANICS?
YOUNG PEOPLE GETTING JOBS BUILDING SKILLS MOVING TOWARDS A CAREER.
THAT’S WHAT I’M ELECTED TO FOCUS ON.

AND THAT IS FUNDAMENTALLY IMPORTANT.
THE QUESTION IS AT WHAT POINT DOES ONE OUTWEIGH THE OTHER?
AT WHAT POINT DOES RHETORIC FROM THE OVAL OFFICE THAT IS POINTED AND HEATED AND RACIST ABROGATE THE ADVANTAGE IN — HOLD ON.
REALLY QUICK, I WANT TO PUT A BUTTON ON THIS.
I WANT TO MOVE ON TO IMMIGRATION AND OTHER ISSUES.
BUT THE PRESIDENT SAID FROM THE SOUTH LAWN THIS THE OTHER DAY.

I MEAN, I LOOK AT THE ONE, I LOOK AT OMAR.
I DON’T KNOW.
I NEVER MET HER.
I HEAR THE WAY SHE TALKS ABOUT AL QAEDA.
AL QAEDA HAS KILLED MANY AMERICANS.
SHE SAID YOU COULD HOLD YOUR CHEST OUT.
YOU CAN — WHEN I THINK OF AMERICA, HUH, WHEN I THINK OF AL QAEDA, I CAN HOLD MY CHEST OUT.
WHEN I HEAR THE ANTI-SEMITIC LANGUAGE THEY USE, THE HATRED THEY HAVE FOR ISRAEL AND THE LOVE THEM FOR ENEMIES LIKE AL QAEDA YOU KNOW WHAT?
I’LL TELL YOU THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS GOOD FOR THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.

SO DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT?
HERE IS MY VIEW.
HE IS EXACTLY RIGHT ABOUT — AND YOU HAVE BEEN RIGHT ABOUT POINTING OUT ON THE PROGRESSIVE LEFT THE EMERGING ANTI-SEMITIC.
I THINK YOU ARE DOING IT VERY WELL.
YOU HAD A RESOLUTION IN THE SENATE THAT GOT VOTES.
THEY WEREN’T SO SUCCESSFUL IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
A SITTING MEMBER OF CONGRESS LOVES AL QAEDA WITH NO EVIDENCE, AND TO SAY IT FROM THE SOUTH LAWN, IT HAS A RIPPLE EFFECT BECAUSE THREE DAYS LATER AT A RALLY IN NORTH CAROLINA, WHICH I KNOW YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH, WE HEARD THESE CHANTS.
LET’S TAKE A LOOK.

OMAR HAS A HISTORY OF LAUNCHING VICIOUS ANTI-SEMITIC SCREEDS.

SEND HER BACK!
SEND HER BACK!
SEND HER BACK!
SEND HER BACK!
SEND HER BACK!

THE PRESIDENT LATER SAID HE DIDN’T AGREE WITH THAT, BUT HE DID LET THEM CHANT FOR 13 SECONDS BEFORE SAYING ANYTHING.
SEEING THAT, HE SAID SOMETHING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE LAWN, AND THEN IT BECAME A CHANT IN A RALLY.
YOU CAN SEE THE EFFECT AND THE POWER THAT THE BULLY PULPIT OF THE PRESIDENCY HAS WHEN THE PRESIDENT SPEAKS, WHEN THE PRESIDENT SPEAKS, AND PEOPLE LISTEN.
THEN IT BECOMES EMBEDDED IN OUR DISCOURSE AND IT CHALLENGES THE CHARACTER OF OUR COUNTRY.

LOOK, I’LL TELL YOU WHAT CHALLENGES THE CHARACTER OF OUR COUNTRY.
THE PRESIDENT IN THE NEWS CONFERENCE YOU JUST SHOWED ME AT THE WHITE HOUSE WAS TALKING ABOUT A SUBSTANTIVE RECORD.
IF YOU LOOK AT THESE FRESHMEN HOUSE MEMBERS, THEIR RECORD IS RADICAL AND EXTREME.
WHEN IT COMES TO ANTI-SEMITIC, THEY KEEP PUTTING OUT STATEMENTS THAT ARE NAKEDLY ANTI-SEMITIC.
ONE OF THE FRESHMEN TWEETED OUT THAT ISRAEL AND SUPPORTING ISRAEL IS ABOUT THE BENJAMINS.
THAT WAS NAKEDLY ANTI-SEMITIC.
I THINK THE VIDEO HE IS REFERENCES IS A VIDEO THAT I HAVE SEEN TALKING ABOUT AL QAEDA, WHERE TO SEE A U.S.
MEMBER OF CONGRESS —
SHE DOESN’T SAY SHE LOVES AL QAEDA.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT SHE LOVES AL QAEDA?

I THINK THE COMMENTS SHE HAS MADE ABOUT AL QAEDA AND ABOUT SEPTEMBER 11th ARE DEEPLY DISTURBING FOR A MEMBER OF CONGRESS TO MAKE.

IF YOU COULD DENOUANTI-SEMIT SO CLEARLY, WHY CAN’T YOU DENOUNCE THE RACISM FROM THE PRESIDENT?

I DON’T LIKE THE OVERHEATED RHETORIC ON EITHER SIDE.
I WISH IT WOULD STOP.

YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION, SENATOR?

I’M ANSWERING THE QUESTION AS I’M GOING TO ANSWER IT.

JUST TO CONFIRM, YOU REFUSE TO DENOUNCE THE RACISM WHEN IT COMES FROM THE PRESIDENT EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN DENOUNCE ANTI-SEMITISM.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MEDIA IS OBSESSED WITH CALLING THE PRESIDENT A RACIST.
IT HAPPENS EVERY DAY ON EVERY STATION.
FRANKLY, IT GETS TIRESOME.

NO.

IT REALLY DOES, THAT THAT’S THE CENTRAL FOCUS.
PEOPLE GET VERY TIRED OF THAT.

LET’S MOVE ON TO IMMIGRATION AND TALK ABOUT THE CRISIS AT THE BORDER.
YOU WERE RECENTLY AT THE BORDER AND YOU WERE SOMEWHAT OF AN EARLY CRITIC OF THE FAMILY SEPARATION POLICY.
YOU DESCRIBED THE IMAGES AS HORRIFIC IN SOME OF THE DETENTION CENTERS THERE.
I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE NEW IMAGES FROM FAMILIES TAKEN LAST MONTH AT BORDER PATROL STATIONS IN McALLEN, TEXAS.
YOU SEE FAMILIES PACKED TOGETHER SLEEPING ON THE FLOOR, SOME WRAPPED IN MYLAR BLANKETS.
THERE WERE DANGEROUS OVERCROWDING.
CHILDREN HAD NO ACCESS TO SHOWERS AND HOT MEALS.

LOOK, WHAT WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW IS A HUMANITARIAN CRISIS.
SO THOSE PICTURES YOU PUT UP, THAT’S THE McALLEN PROCESSING CENTER.
I WAS THERE TWO WEEKS AGO.
THERE WERE 1,100 PEOPLE IN IT.
DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS HAVE CAPPED THE NUMBER OF BEDS THAT I.C.E. HAS.
NORMALLY YOU MOVE PEOPLE OUT OF THAT TEMPORARY HOLDING CELL INTO A LONGER-TERP DETENTION FACILITY WITH BEDS, FOR EXAMPLE.
THOSE PLACES DON’T HAVE BEDS.
PEOPLE ARE GETTING STUCK WHERE THEY ARE NOT MEANT —
A $5 BILLION APPROPRIATION WAS PASSED.
THAT WILL INCREASE THE NUMBER OF BEDS.

BUT THE DEMOCRATS ACCOLIMITEW IT COULD BE SPENT.
THEY LITERALLY MADE IT SO YOU CAN’T SPEND TO PUT BEDS FOR THE PEOPLE YOU SAW.

YOU SAY THE CRISIS IS BECAUSE OF DEMOCRATS.
TRULY, THE CRISIS IS BECAUSE THERE ARE INCREASED FLOWS OF IMMIGRANTS COMING ILLEGALLY ACROSS THE BORDER WHICH ISN’T BECAUSE OF THE DEMOCRATS.

YES IT IS.

WHY?

LET ME TELL YOU WHY.

WHY?

IN THE MONTH OF MAY WE HAD 144,000 PEOPLE COMING HERE ILLEGALLY.
144,000.
IT IS AN ABSOLUTE CRISIS.

THERE WAS A DROPOFF IN JUNE.

THERE HAS BEEN A DROPOFF.
I’M ENCOURAGED BY THE DROPOFF THIS JUNE.
THE REASON PEOPLE ARE COMING IS BECAUSE OF THE LOOPHOLES THAT CONGRESS PUT INTO THE LAW —
WHICH LOOPHOLES?

IN PARTICULAR, THE LOOPHOLE IS, IF YOU BRING A CHILD, THAT CHILD HAS TO BE RELEASED, AND THERE IS A COURT DECISION CALLED THE FLORES CASE THAT MANDATES THAT.
THAT THAT CHILD HAS TO BE RELEASED WITHIN 21 DAYS.
HERE’S WHAT’S BEEN HAPPENING.
WE’RE SUDDENLY SEEING ADULTS, MORE AND MORE ADULTS BRINGING KIDS BECAUSE KIDS ARE EFFECTIVELY A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD.
LET ME GIVE YOU A STAT THAT I LEARNED IN McALLEN TWO WEEKS AGO.
IN 2014, SINGLE ADULT MALES COMING INTO THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, 2% HAD KIDS.
TODAY 50% OF THEM SINGLE ADULT MALES ARE COMING WITH CHILDREN.
I’LL GIVE YOU A REALLY CHILLING STATISTIC.
THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY SECTOR THEY DID A PILOT TEST OF RAPID DNA, OF FOLKS PRESENTING AS A FAMILY UNIT.
NEARLY 30% OF THOSE TESTED WERE FOUND TO BE FRAUDULENT FAMILY UNITS, WHICH MEANS THE ADULTS WERE WITH KIDS THEY WEREN’T RELATED TO.
AND WE’RE SEEING LITTLE GIRLS, LITTLE BOYS BEING SUBJECT TO ABUSE, PHYSICAL ABUSE, SEXUAL ABUSE.
CHILDREN BEING RENTED OUT BY THE CARTELS.
THIS IS HORRIFIC.
AND THE CRITICAL POINT, MARGARET, IS IT IS CONGRESS’ FAULT.
WE COULD FIX THIS TOMORROW, BUT THE DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS WON’T CLOSE THE LOOPHOLES AND FIX IT.

FIRST, SO IF YOU COULD DRAFT TO FIX THE FLORES AGREEMENT, WHAT WOULD IT BE?

I HAVE DRAFTED THAT.
I FILED LEGISLATION.

WHICH IS A BILL THAT WOULD KEEP FAMILIES TOGETHER?

YES.

BUT DO YOU STILL BELIEVE FAMILIES SHOULD BE PROSECUTED?
ALL INDIVIDUALS WHO CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED?

ABSOLUTELY WE SHOULD ENFORCE THE LAW.
THE LEGISLATION I FILED —
SO –. LET ME EXPLAIN.
FAMILY SEPARATION, WE OUT TO BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER.
EVERYONE OUGHT TO AGREE, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, FAMILIES SHOULDN’T BE SEPARATED.
WE WILL KEEP THEM TOGETHER IN A SECURE SAFE DETENTION CENTER AND — AND SO DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF IMMIGRATION JUDGES.
SO IF YOU HAVE A CLAIM FOR ASYLUM, IT GETS ADJUDICATED RAPIDLY AND EITHER IF YOU MEET THE LEGAL TEST FOR ASYLUM, IT GETS GRANTED, AND IF YOU DON’T IT GETS REJECTED, YOU GET PUT ON A PLANE AND SENT HOME.
BUT EITHER WAY YOU DO IT QUICKLY.
AND THE REASON THAT-
IT WOULD BE THE MOST MERCIFUL AND HUMANITARIAN APPROACH TO THE BORDER I BELIEVE.
THE QUESTION ABOUT LOOPHOLES DOESN’T PASS MUSTER BECAUSE — IT’S NOT THE QUESTION ABOUT LOOPHOLES.
THIS NOTION THAT IT’S THE DEMOCRATS’ FAULT IN CONGRESS.
REPUBLICANS HAVE THE CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE FOR TWO YEARS AND DID NOTHING.
SO HOW IS IT ONLY THE DEMOCRATS’ FAULT?
THOSE LOOPHOLES COULD HAVE BEEN CLOSED WHEN YOU ALL HAD CONTROL.

NO, NOT WITH THE FILIBUSTER, THEY CAN’T.
TODAY’S POLITICS ON IMMIGRATION ARE SO POLARIZED, THEY ARE SO EXTREME, AND PART OF THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS JUST CONSUMED RIGHT NOW WITH HATRED FOR DONALD TRUMP.
ON IMMIGRATION, THAT IS DRIVING THEM SO WILDLY TO THE LEFT.
WE HAD A WHOLE BACK AND FORTH IN THE DEMOCRATIC DEBATE ABOUT MAKING CROSSING INTO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY NO LONGER A CRIME.
THAT IS THE VERY DEFINITION OF OPEN BORDERS.
THAT’S A RECKLESS POLICY.
BUT IT’S WHERE THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES ARE.

I’D LIKE IT TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER PART OF YOUR BIOGRAPHY THAT I THINK REALLY HELPED YOU STAND OUT WHEN YOU FIRST ARRIVED IN THE SENATE.
THAT WAS YOUR STRONG ADVOCACY FOR FISCAL DISCIPLINE AS ONE OF THE PILLARS OF CONSERVATISM.
YOU HAD NO PROBLEM STANDING UP TO MITCH McCONNELL AND BLOCKING THE PARTY OVER THE DEBT CEILING.
WE HAVE ADDED $2 TRILLION TO THE NATIONAL DEBT SINCE PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN THE PRESIDENT.
OUR DEBT IS NOW 104% OF GDP.
AND OMB HAS PROJECTED WE WILL HAVE A $1 TRILLION DEFICIT THIS YEAR.
I DON’T THINK YOU WOULD DEFEND THAT RECORD.
IS THERE A PIECE OF THE OLD TED CRUZ THAT MIGHT REALLY STAKE A CLAIM TO HELPING PUSH THE PARTY BACK TO A POSITION OF FIGHTING FOR FISCAL DISCIPLINE?

LISTEN, I AM FIGHTING FOR THAT EVERY DAY.
WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH DEBT AND DEFICITS AND SPENDING IS WRONG AND IT’S IMMORAL.
WE ARE SELLING OUR KIDS, GRANDKIDS DOWN THE RIVER.
NOW, HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THE DEBT AND DEFICIT?
THE MOST POWERFUL TOOL TO DO IT — NO, EVEN MORE POWERFUL THAN ENTITLEMENTS IS ECONOMIC GROWTH GROWTH.

THE ECONOMY IS BOOMK BUT WE HAVEN’T DONE ANYTHING TO PAY FOR THE TAX CUTS.

THAT’S NOT ACCURATE.
THE MOST POWERFUL TOOL TO PAY DOWN THE DEBT AND DEFICIT IS FOR THE ECONOMY TO BE BOOMING.
IF YOU LOOK AT —
BUT WE HAVE TO CONTROL SPENDING.

I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT BETWEEN THE TWO ECONOMIC GROWTH IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN CONTROLLING SPENDING.
I WANT TO DO BOTH.
NOW, THE PROBLEM IS CONGRESS IS SPENDING EVEN MORE.
WE ARE NOT RESTRAINING ON THE SPENDING.

YOU HAVE BEEN RE-ELECTED AS A U.S. SENATOR.
YOU HAVE A NEW LEASE ON LIFE.
YOU HAVE SIX YEARS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO BE OUT OF OFFICE.
YOU COULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN.
THIS COULD JUST BE A WAY TO REESTABLISH YOURSELF AND REESTABLISH THE PARTY AROUND A PRINCIPLE THAT HE STOOD FOR.
A KLICLIP ON THIS PROGRAM IN 19 THAN THE ORANGE CONSERVATIVE BARRY GOLDWATER.

LET’S TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE AND EMPHASIS AMONG CONSERVATIVES 25 YEARS AGO AND NOW ON BUDGET DEFICITS.
HAS YOUR THINKING ON THAT CHANGED?

NO, AND IT NEVER WILL.
I’M VERY OLD FASHIONED THAT WAY.
SO I THINK TODAY THE BIG PROBLEM IS THAT BALANCING THE BUDGET HAS NOT DISAPPEARED FROM THE CONSERVATIVE BIBLE BY ANY MEANS, BUT IT’S NOT AS STRONG.

YEAH.

AS IT USED TO BE.
WE CAN CONTINUE TO GO TO THE BANK AND BORROW MONEY TO LIVE ON, BUT SOMEDAY THE BANKER CALLS UP AND SAYS, BARRY, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO PAY THAT DEBT?
AND I’M STILL VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF MY COUNTRY CONTINUING TO RUN IN DEFICIT.

HAVE CONSERVATIVES STOPPED CARING ABOUT DEBT AND DEFICITS?

NO, NOT REMOTELY.
I WILL SAY THE WAY I’M FIGHTING DIFFERENT TODAY.
THERE IS A REASON IT’S DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT’S DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO THE FIRST FOUR YEARS I WAS IN THE SENATE BARACK OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT, AND HE WAS PUSHING REALLY BAD POLICIES THAT WERE HURTING THIS COUNTRY.
MY ENTIRE JOB CHANGED JANUARY OF 2017 BECAUSE WE HAD A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT.
WE HAD REPUBLICAN MAJORITIES IN BOTH HOUSES.
I PULLED MY TEAM TOGETHER AND SAID OUR JOB IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
NOW OUR JOB IS TO DELIVER ON OUR PROMISES.
AND I THINK I’M IN AN UNUSUAL IF NOT UNIQUE POSITION OF BEING ABLE TO SPEAK WITH REAL CREDIBLE TO CONSERVATIVES, BUT ALSO BEING ABLE TO SPEAK TO MODERATES, TO LEADERSHIP, TO THE PRESIDENT, TO THE ADMINISTRATION, AND GET EVERYONE TO, YES, CORRAL FOLKS.
YOU TAKE SOMETHING LIKE THE TAX CUT.
I SPENT THOUSANDS OF HOURS TRYING TO GET 50 REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE TO YES.
AND THAT TAX CUT HAS PRODUCED INCREDIBLE RESULTS IN THE ECONOMY.
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAVE JOBS TODAY BECAUSE WE CUT TAXES ON WORKING FAMILIES ON SMALL BUSINESSES.
THAT’S BENEFITING THE STATE OF TEXAS.
INCOMES ARE GOING UP ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
THE NUMBER ONE STATE —
THEY HAVE BETTER TAX POLICY THAN CALIFORNIA.

THAT’S WHY 1,000 PEOPLE A DAY MOVE TO TEXAS.

THERE IS A BOOK CALLED AMERICAN CARNAGE THAT’S OUT.
IT HAS DESCRIBED THE ATTITUDE OF FOX NEWS TOWARDS YOU AS PUGNACIOUS.
IT QUOTES YOU SAYING THAT ROGER AILES, THE FOUNDER OF FOX NEWS, THAT YOU BELIEVED HIS DYING WISH WAS TO HELP ELECT DONALD TRUMP AS PRESIDENT.
IS THAT TRUE?

I THINK FOX NEWS WENT ALL IN FOR TRUMP.
THAT WAS —
DO YOU BELIEVE IT WAS ROGER’S DYING WISH TO ELECT TRUMP AS PRESIDENT?

I DIDN’T KNOW HIM WELL.
I THINK IT CLEARLY IS WHAT HE WANTED TO DO.

WHY DID THEY PREFER RTRUMP?

NO IDEA.
STARTING ABOUT MARCH OF 2016 THEY WENT ALL IN FOR TRUMP.
THEY MADE A DECISION — THAT WAS A DECISION MADE AT THE NETWORK LEVEL REFLECTED ON EVERY SHOW.

I WONDER IF YOU COULD HANDICAP THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL RACE, HAVING BEEN THROUGH A RACE YOURSELF, HOW DO YOU SEE THE CANDIDATES AND WHO WOULD YOU — WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO EMERGE?

I DON’T THINK JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO BE THE NOMINEE.
I THINK THE NOMINEE IS GOING TO COME FROM THE FAR LEFT.
THE THREE I WOULD SAY ARE MOST LIKELY KAMALA HARRIS, ELIZABETH WARREN, AND BERNIE SANDERS.

WHAT HAPPENED TO BETO O’ROURKE?

HE HAS CRASHED AND BURNED.
YOU KNOW, PART OF IT IS HIS BASE WAS THE MEDIA.
THE MEDIA —
HE DID GET 4848% OF THE VOTE.

THE MEDIA WERE ENAMORED WITH HIM LIKE GROUPIES AT A BEATLES CONCERT.
THERE WAS EVERY WEEK A DIFFERENT FLUFFY PROFILE.
THE OBLIGATORY ADJECTIVE THAT EVERY — THE OBLIGATORY ADJECTIVE THEY USED FOR HIM WAS KENNEDY-ESQUE.
I THINK WHERE THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY IS, THEIR ENERGY, THEIR PASSION, THEIR ANGER IS ON THE EXTREME LEFT.
THAT’S WHY I DON’T THINK BIDEN WILL BE THE NOMINEE BECAUSE HE IS NOT WHERE THE PARTY IS.
AND IT’S INTERESTING.
WHEN I SAY THE NOMINEE IS LIKELY TO BE A HARRIS OR WARREN OR SANDERS, SOME REPUBLICANS GO, YAY, OKAY, THAT’S GREAT, THEY ARE SO EXTREME, WE WIN.
NOT NECESSARILY.

CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT DONALD TRUMP COULD BE DEFEATED?

ABSOLUTELY.
I PERSONALLY HANDICAP THE 2020 ELECTION AS A COIN FLIP.
I THINK IT’S ABOUT 50/50.
I WANT TO SEE THE PRESIDENT RE-ELECTED.
I’M WORKING HARD TO HELP THE PRESIDENT GET RE-ELECTED.
AND I THINK HE CERTAINLY CAN GET RE-ELECTED.
BUT I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SEE STAGGERING DEMOCRATIC TURNOUT IN 2020.
THE REASON IS, LOOK, ANGER IS A POWERFUL MOTIVATOR.
AND THE FAR LEFT IS PISSED.
THEY ARE ENRAGED BY DONALD TRUMP, AND IT MEANS THEY ARE GOING TO SHOW UP AND THE BIG OPEN QUESTION IS, DOES EVERYBODY ELSE SHOW UP?

SENATOR, YOU KNOW FROM YOUR RACE, BOETO O’ROURKE WON 48%. HE WON MODERATES AND SUBURBAN WOMEN AND ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY ON THE FENCE.
DO THEY VOTE FOR DONALD TRUMP AGAIN OR VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATS.
DO YOU THINK — I WANT TO GIVE YOU ONE MORE CHANCE.
DO YOU THINK THAT THE RHETORIC FROM THE PRESIDENT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS ENERGIZING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY?

OF COURSE.

THEN — AND DO YOU THINK IT HURTS HIS CHANCES TO BE RE-ELECTED?

LOOK, THE PRESIDENT REGULARLY SAYS AND TWEETS THINGS I WISH HE WOULDN’T SAY.

IS THAT GOING TO DO WHAT YOU JUST SAID?
THAT HE WILL HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING RE-ELECTED
HE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
HE IS WHO HE IS.

I AGREE WITH THAT.
IS IT GOING TO MAKE IT HARDER FOR HIM TO GET RE-ELECTED?

LOOK, I WISH HE WOULD SAY THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
I DON’T HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THAT.
I CAN’T CHANGE THAT.
WHAT I CAN DO IS WHAT I’M DOING THOUSAND, WHICH IS FIGHT FOR GOOD POLICIES WHICH INCLUDES THE BIGGEST TAX CUT —
I AM GOING TO TAKE THAT AS A YES.

LET’S TAKE FOREIGN POLICY —
I’M GOING TO TAKE IT AS A YES.

I ENGAGED CLOSELY WITH HAD PRESIDENT ON FOREIGN POLICY.
FOR EXAMPLE, URGING HIM TO MOVE OUR EMBASSY IN ISRAEL TO JERUSALEM.
DID HE THAT.
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS THE BROKE THEIR PROMISES TO DO THAT.
URGING HIM TO PULL OUT OF THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL.
HE DID THAT.

ALL THESE THINGS HE IS RUNNING ON.
DOES THE RHETORIC HURT HIM IN HIS RE-ELECTION BID.
BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T ANSWER IT I TAKE IT AS A YES.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, TED CRUZ.
I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

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