How the anti-abortion rights movement has succeeded at the state level

Since Roe v. Wade overturned state laws restricting abortion in the first trimester of pregnancy, states have passed more than 350 laws regulating or restricting access to abortion. Nearly 70 laws have been passed just this year, ranging from restricting funding, requiring waiting periods and counseling, and regulating facilities that perform abortions, to name a few examples. So while the anti-abortion advocates haven’t given up the goal of overturning Roe v. Wade, the anti-abortion movement has succeeded in making abortions tough to get in many states.The record of legislative successes has left many in the pro-choice movement debating why, and how, the anti-abortion — or pro life movement — has been so successful. It was a question that came up in a Need to Know panel discussion on feminism last month.

Need to Know’s Alison Stewart talks with, Charmaine Yoest, head of Americans United for Life, about the movement’s successes and strategy for the future.

Click here to view the panel discussion on feminism.

 
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  • Vatsoop90

    I dare Charmaine Yoest speak for her supposed majority.  Being almost 65 years of age, I have in my many discussions never met people who, outright, supported pro-live stances.  Shame on her. Let her run her own life.  Not everyone else’s!  She and the many male elected officials are trying to limit options of the women who are trying to make it in this difficult time.

     B Angel

  • Evelyn

    What a fascinating discussion.    Charmaine Yoest was a classy, well spoken and intelligent guest.  I
    find the lack of tolerance in the previous comment unbelievable.    Perhaps he/she is being motivated by emotion rather than fact as explored in your additional piece by Chris Mooney. 

  • whatever

    Ms. Yoest presents as soft spoken and not unreasonable.  She seems to have adopted Obama’s failed bipartisan spiel.  However, if you take the time to look at her biography it won’t take long to see that she’s pretty extreme; Vice President for the Family Research Council, opposition to the morning after pill, fetal pain theory, opposition to assisted suicide, the right to refuse to provide care, opposition to stem cell research and the Pregnant Woman’s Protection Act. 

    There are very real and very good reasons why women should be able to choose abortion; rape,
    incest, health of the mother, issues of the fetus’ viability, and yes, inability to provide a home after birth.  This country doesn’t want to take care of the children who currently exist.  They’re trying to cut back on poor children’s food programs, programs that are intended to deliver health care to children and the elderly. 

    No, Ms. Yoest, we don’t have any common ground.  I know enough to know that a bunch of the so-called “facts” your organization uses as a basis for their attempts to restrict women’s rights are just plain false; mistakes at best interpretation and lies at worst.        

  • Ace

    Charmaine Yoest was clear in stating her position–pro-life–and supported them well.  I found her a compelling guest who has thought through the issues and understands opposite views.  It was clear that Alison Stewart disagreed–which is fine–but as the moderator.  Her attempts to get her view out were clumsy and sophomoric.  There are some clear issues to address, but they require people to listen to and understand each other.  Allison demonstrated her inability to listen and understand.  An expert on the other side who was a eloquent and informed as Charmaine Yoest would have been the better route to showing the other side.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G35ONALDTBI2QBAYKP3UU3SUNQ Mr. Eudes

    Stewart didn’t do such a great job of being an “objective” journalist in her interview with Charmaine
    Yoest. There seemed to a hefty level of contempt just beneath her questions. I have come to expect better journalism from PBS and was disappointed by her unprofessionalism.

    Before I go on, let me put my cards on the table; I am a card carrying, gay, Catholic, immigrant citizen, pro-life Democrat. Some might say that I am a walking conflict. I would have to disagree. The truth is that it is through these tensions that I have been able to come be able to live in the gray and learn from tension. There is at least one thing that I have learned from all of these tensions and that is that everyone has the right to life.

    One of the things that I find very odd about this “life issues” debate that is going on in this country can be summed up in the fact that a conservative such as Yoest will, I bet, rightly fight tooth and nail to defend the life of the unborn but will turn a blind eye to the scandal of the death penalty in this country and Stewart, I suspect will be just the opposite. Either we believe in a person’s right to life or we don’t.

    That means that we have to protect life against the on slot of those who say that life doesn’t start until the child is outside of the womb and the punitive, prideful and vindictive voices that call for the State to kill people in our prisons in the face of indisputable evidence that says that minorities and the poor receive the death sentence at a disproportionate rate compared to rich white criminals. Ether we have both abortion and the death penalty because we do not respect life or we have no
    abortion and no death penalty because we do respect life. We can’t have it both ways. I thought it was almost comical that there was a story that talked about “motivated reasoning” a few stories after the awkward exchange between Yoest and Stewart  

    LG
    Solana Beach Ca

  • liberty or death

    So how is it extreme to protect a defensless human beings life and believe a baby feels pain in the womb…when many on the left believe a fish feels pain, and will advocate for their “rights”.  What is extreme about stopping someone from killing themself, or a doctor having the right to say no to a procedure that takes life and they morally object to, or not using the cells of babys that were aborted for stem cell research (it has been proven that adult stemscells can be used).  All those arguments buy into the culture of death, that Pro-Abortion supporters love.

    Abortion from rape, incest, health of the mother are a very small fraction of those that have abortions, not a very good argument – exceptions can be made in those cases.  I am curious about the comment “The country doesn’t want to take care of the children that currently exist”…you meant “The parents don’t want to take care of the children that currently exist”.  Irresponsible people that get pregnant and have children then don’t want to take care of them?  Adoption is a very viable option, and I have no doubt if every person who decided on an abortion, changed their decision to adoption those babies would have a parent to adopt them.  Their are so many people in the US that want babies, but it is extremely difficult to adopt a baby here so they go to China or some other country.

  • whatever

     When you vote down a school proposal, you’re absolutely refusing to educate and take care of children the vast majority of the time. 

    When you cheer on cuts to school lunches and milk breaks, you’re refusing to take care of children.  

    When you support cutting medicaid you’re refusing to take care of children. 

    There’s more but I’m not going to spend the time making my way down the list.

    Not every one has the funds to take care of children today and it is not necessarily their fault.  In my state, the percentage of children in danger of hunger/food insecurity was 20% the last time they published it, if I remember correctly.  In the state next door the food insecurity/danger of hunger statistics were 24%.  In this day and age a refusal to see, understand, or acknowledge the fact that people have lost their jobs and sometimes their homes through no fault of their own and are finding it impossible to find a place to get hired is unconscionable and heartless.  

    It is remarkable how few people look at someone who isn’t doing as well and think ‘there but for the grace of God” and how many people look at someone who isn’t doing as well and see that as evidence of their own personal superiority. 

  • whatever

    By the way, Ms. Yoest’s denial that birth control is also unbelievable when you consider her apparent agreement with and support of the morning after pill as indicated with her position as Vice President of  the Family Research Council.  I would also point out that her positions on multiple far right organizations, which is normal business for the privileged elite of both parties, would indicate to me the amount of work she produces for any one organization is probably extremely light.  Given her background, when I look at her I see someone who is there to try to put a nice face on some pretty ugly positions and confuse people about the probable end goal.  

  • whatever

    By the way, Ms. Yoest’s denial that elimination of birth control availability is also unbelievable
    when you consider her apparent agreement with and support of the morning
    after pill as indicated with her position as Vice President of  the
    Family Research Council.  I would also point out that her positions on
    multiple far right organizations, which is normal business for the
    privileged elite of both parties, would indicate to me the amount of
    work she produces for any one organization is probably extremely light. 
    Given her background, when I look at her I see someone who is there to
    try to put a nice face on some pretty ugly positions and confuse people
    about the probable end goal. 

  • Doug Hayman

    Abortion is what is ugly, not human life.

  • whatever

     Deliberately ignoring child abuse because you don’t want to pay enough taxes to pull kids out of abusive homes while demanding an end to abortion so that more kids can be put through a kind of hell on earth is what is ugly.

    Allowing children to live in fear of hunger is what is ugly. 

    Not funding schools adequately so that your taxes stay low is ugly.  It is shortsighted because uneducated people tend to turn to crime and that your children and grandchildren will be living in the world you failed to build because your tax cut was more important. 

  • liberty or death

    So, bigger government is going to cure all our woes and take care of all the children by increasing school funding, giving more free lunches, giving free health care, because apparently no one is responsible for themselves.  Yes, we have a historic amount of people on food stamps and bigger government is at historic highs as well, but that doesn’t seem to be working for ya.  So, what state do you live in?   The states with the highest unemployment, drop-out rates, food stamps, economic woes are ones that have historically run by Democrats and Liberals…and what does all of this have to do with abortion.

  • liberty or death

    So, paying more taxes is going to help abused kids…NOT.  I was abused as a kid and someone else paying more taxes to give to a dysfunctional government entity as CPS would not have helped.  We pay more now for education than ever and more than most countries, but the system is worst then it has ever been. Public schools are in trouble because they have been taken over by liberal progressives that are more interested in teaching homosexual tolerance than the basics, reading, writing, language, math, science and most of all US History.  We are raising ignorant children, who many parents use the school system as a baby sitting service…and let’s not get into the Teachers Unions.  Your ideaology is very misguided, don’t wait for Obama to fix it or your going to be waiting a very long time.

  • liberty or death

    Your saying she supports the morning after pill?  I don’t believe that is correct.

  • whatever

     She can be considered to support banning the morning after pill due to her affiliation and position with the Family Research Council.

  • whatever

    Read it again.  Refusal to pay a reasonable amount of taxes results in the state not being able to fund a child’s removal from an abusive home. 

    The education system works find if you make sure your kids do their homework and follow up with parent/teacher meetings.  It works even better if you realize your teacher is your ally, not your enemy, and if you make an effort to let the teacher know that you consider your child’s education to be important by calling once in a while or dropping by class after school to talk for just a few minutes about your child’s progress in his/her class.  My children are college graduates.  And by the way, I am not an Obama devotee and after the past two years I don’t even consider myself a democrat.   

    You need to stop watching FOX.  Their news department is abysmal and extremely biased.  Watching FOX news will corrode people’s brains .  You only have to listen to the tea partiers to realize that.  The only thing worth watching on FOX is Bones.

  • whatever

     Read above, deep red state as is the state with 24% hunger rate, and everything… in that order.  Have a nice day.

  • liberty or death

    So, what is considered a reasonable amount?  Who determines that?  Taxes result in not being able to remove a child, hmmmm?

    The education system works fine on what terms?  Where exactly are we ranked in the world? 

    Yes, Fox and those evil Tea Party people and their evil constitution are to blame.

  • liberty or death

    The only state I see in CA?

  • Techqueen333

    Regardless of how or why a woman gets pregnant, forcing her to provide life support to a developing embryo/fetus against her will is a gross violation of her privacy and her basic civil rights. Further, your assertion that the fetus feels pain in the womb is misleading. More than 85% of all abortions occur prior to 12 weeks gestation. According to independent valid scientific studies, fetuses are incapable of processing pain prior to 24 weeks. 
    You have no statistics to back up your claims about the willingness of people to adopt. Adoption is a viable option primarily for healthy, “normal”,  white babies and in many, many of cases results in devastating, lifelong consequences for the relinquishing mother. Often adoptees suffer abandonment issues. So, don’t present adoption as a benign, loving option. On the other hand, reliable, valid scientific research published by the APA clearly demonstrates that as applied to the general population, abortion leaves no longterm affects (yes, I’m sure you all know someone who regretted their abortion…we are not cherry picking here…we are talking in generalities). 
    What is really maddening is your very offensive claim that those who find themselves in crisis pregnancy are in that condition because of irresponsibility on their part. Let’s talk first about what women endure around the world and how that plays a role in pregnancy. Let’s talk about the availability of pregnancy prevention (which Charmaine Yoest is, puzzlingly enough, unwilling to discuss.) 

  • Techqueen333

    You’ve got to be kidding, @Evelyn. For someone with a PhD, Charmaine is shockingly ignorant (believes in Creationism) and hypocritical (against abortion rights but won’t discuss pregnancy prevention, such as birth control).  

  • Techqueen333

    That’s funny. I found Charmaine Yoest’s comments hypocritical and sophomoric.  Allison, on the other hand, refused to allow Charmaine to present non-facts as facts (Charmaine: “There’s not debate as to when life begins and ends.” Allison: “Yes, there is a debate.”). She also exposed the hypocrisy in Charmaine’s forced gestation stance by pushing Charmaine to admit thata)  her organization refuses to take a stand on birth control and b) they are against big government except where it concerns women’s wombs. 
    Allison was clearly able to listen and understand…..AND to show the other, more intelligent side.

  • Vbigelow

    Let me put my cards on the table, Mr. Eudes: I am a straight, recovering Catholic, natural born citizen, feminist, mother of three adored grown (pro-choice) children, anti-death penalty, pro-choice democrat.  First, that men think they should have a voice in the abortion debate is telling in terms of our lack of progress from the male dominated, sexist, oppressive society model. Second, regardless of when life begins, there is no justification for forcing a woman to provide life support and other resources to a developing embryo/fetus with HER BODY against her will. To force gestation is a gross violation of a woman’s civil rights, right to privacy and is a form of slavery. 

  • Techqueen333

    Liberty or death, you need to do some serious reading. You don’t understand anything about the education system or what kinds of programs support social uplift.  Stop listening to the talking heads and read some studies.

  • Techqueen333

    Liberty or death…come on. Do you have an original thought of your own or do you always parrot the talking heads? You don’t know anything about the education system and what’s needed to change it. Poverty and inequality are huge factors. 
    BTW the “evil” Constitution as you call it in your failed attempt at witty repartee protects privacy…which is at the root of protection of abortion rights. 

  • Anonymous

    Abortion was legalized nearly 13 years after birth control which proves birth control isn’t the answer ~ and the ramped STD’s spreading throughout the youngest of girls and boys is actually life threatening and it isn’t working. The youngest of females are being lured into thinking sex is ok when they’re not adult or yet responsible enough to know what life is all about. Sure men support abortion as it is an easy way out of sexual encounters with which they have no commitment. Millions of women have been mislead about abortion ~ they weren’t informed of all their choices or of the development of the baby ~ and having counseled women who are still suffering their loss years later, it’s clear that abortion is not about women or choices ~ it’s about profit. Weakened and failed birth control is profitable to the abortion industry and to the research industry that after you pay for the abortion they continue to profit by selling the babies’ brain, organs and tissue to research ~ abortion is all about blood money, politics and promoting a culture of death in which they profit from your loss.
     

  • Anonymous

    It is not up to you to decide who lives and who dies. Shame on you for bringing up your religion ~ you’re example is one of a hypocrite.

  • Anonymous

    Let us make known to women all their choices ~ the choice of life and the choice of death ~ and all the consequences of the choices available. My choice is for Life ~ and I thank the Lord for allowing myself, my husband, my children, my grandchildren, my in-laws, family and friends the opportunity of Life.

  • Techqueen333

    Do you read, Theresa Lynn? Do you know anything about what it means when people talk about “the availability of birth control?” It means not only that it exists, but that it is reliable and that people can access and afford it.  Despite studies that show high numbers of teens having sex, the right wing would rather take a “stick your head in the sand” approach. The poor cannot afford doctor’s appointments or to pay for birth control (no insurance) and the republicans are doing all they can to end funding to institutions that would provide these tools. Then there is the issue of sex education and the things that lead people into engaging in risk behavior…like poverty and feelings of hopelessness. The republicans would end funding for social/educational programs geared towards social uplift.
    You claim you have “counseled” women who have suffered years later over their abortions. Independent scientific research clearly evidences the fact that as it applies to the general population, women who have abortions do NOT suffer long range psychological or physical effects. Certainly you can find individual cases where women have suffered, particularly when they are guilt tripped by others, but your claims don’t mesh with what studies based on random sampling demonstrates.
    You claim that millions of women have been misled about abortion. How? What evidence do you have. NONE. Abortion ends pregnancy. Who goes into an abortion not knowing that? Women don’t go into abortion wanting to know about the development of the embryo (BTW…since the majority occur before 8 weeks.you’ll want to be more accurate development). They go in because they do not want to be pregnant. Many have abortions later because they learn of an anomaly, some of which are inaccurate with life outside the womb. Abortion is not an industry in an of itself. It is part of the larger healthcare industry. It is a legitimate reproductive healthcare service that is only one of a list of many OB/GYN services women can seek. Abortion is not about blood money. Healthcare professionals are paid for their services. Go try and have your appendix out pro bono.
    Oh, and BTW…the use of “baby” in these discussions is loaded language.

  • Vbigelow

    I did not say it was up to me to decide who lives or dies @@TheresaLynn:disqus. STRAW MAN.
    It is up to me, however, like any female, to decide whether or not I will provide life support for a developing embryo/fetus with my body and to give birth to it.  It’s not up to you or the state or anyone to force me to gestate against my will. I have every right to evict an embryo/fetus from my body if I cannot host it. That is the right of every woman.
    Shame on me for bringing up my religion? I’m a hypocrite for doing that? Uh…@TheresaLynn….you’ve just exposed yourself as someone ignorant of the rules of research/argumentation…revealing bias. You’ve also revealed yourself as someone who doesn’t know the dictionary definition of hypocrite.

  • Techqueen333

    Let us not allow you and those like you to impose your choices on others @TheresaLynn. We have broader views of life that respect for the rights of women to dominion over their own bodies and allow them to choose for the quality of their own lives.

  • liberty or death

    Hmmm, your ignorant if you believe God created humans and your not ignorant if you believe humans evolved from apes.

  • Techqueen333

    That’s right. Creationism is non falsifiable. There is irrefutable scientific confirmation of evolution. BTW, you are also ignorant if you don’t know the difference between your and you’re.

  • liberty or death

    Your obviously incrediblly mature Techqueen 333

  • liberty or death

    Men actually do have a say in abortion, because many times they want to keep the baby and they are the father.  Many men expierience life long emotional angst because of this decision.  Feminist are very disturbing creatures…with big giant chips on their shoulders, and a me, me, me attitude.  I feel sorry for you.

  • liberty or death

    Yes, I am a zombie…I just listen to conservative ”talking heads”…and take everything that is said as Gospel…please.  I spend plenty of time researching and reading and about the education system.

    “Social Uplift”  you mean “Social Justice” Marxist style right?

  • Techqueen333

    Forcing women to gestate against their will is the ugliest of all.

  • Techqueen333

    I am…and I also know the correct usage for your and you’re. You, obviously, do not.

  • Techqueen333

    I doubt you know anything about Marxism, liberty. Otherwise, you wouldn’t make such an ignorant comment.

  • liberty or death

    No, I am a Conservative Zombie…stop with the poverty inequality bit…there is plenty of uneducated middle class and wealthy people.  The small minority of people live in poverty in the US and thanks to the Progressives more have been created.  Plenty of wealthly successfull people came from poverty.  I know many people, including my self who grew up poor or quite modestly with only the basics, but they saw the opportunities and seized them and they have all done very well for themselves.  Poverty can be a great motivater, it was for me.  There is no motivation in becoming enslaved by government handouts.  Coincidentally, most of the people I speak of never fell into the trap of government programs.  We all live in a free country and were all given the same opportunites, but there are those of us who choose to be enslaved.
    You may of heard this line before, We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, they are endowed by their Creator (God, with a big G…your probably don’t like Him) with certian unalienable Rights, that amoung these are LIFE, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness…(Declaration of Independence 1776, need I say more).

  • Techqueen333

    Their say is limited by the  women they’ve impregnated. It is the women who will directly experience the effects of pregnancy and childbirth. To hold that men have the right to force women to gestate against their will is to support slavery.
    I think you should look up the word feminist. You obviously don’t know what it means.

  • liberty or death

    You mean choose for the self-centerness of their lives…Pro-Abortion people call themselves Pro-Choice, however their not really for choice…They don’t want women to know their alternatives the only choice to them is abortion…those that work in abortion clinics and now have seen the light have admitted that they know that they are killing babies, but they don’t want the mother to know that…abortion is a big money maker. 

  • Techqueen333

    liberty….You clearly read no research. Wow, the ignorance!
    The fact is that we are NOT all given the same opportunities. There’s tons of research out there (inequality; poverty; transgenerational welfare dependence) if you would take the time to read it.

    Yes, I know the lines from the Declaration of Independence. The D of I does not mention God specifically, it mentions Creator. It does so for a reason. Read about the beliefs of the FFs around conflating religion with government. Second, the D of I is not the law of the land. The Constitution is. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention God except on the signatory page. That was just the convention of the day.

  • liberty or death

    Provide life support to what?  You don’t need life support for an ”IT”. So, “IT” feels pain at 24 weeks, so how does an “IT” feel pain at all?  
    Yes, probably a “white” family would want to adopt a “white” baby, but why do so many “white” families adopt children from non-white countrys like china, vietnam, cambodia, etc. (they are not guaranteed a “healthy” baby). 
    Let’s talk about “devastating lifelong consequences”…life is a millions little chioces and EVERYTHING has consequences.  You have great concern for the baby and mother after it is born and given up for adoption, so you can make a point about “relinquishing” the child that you would have killed when it was in the mother…or the childs “abandonment” issues…so your solution is to kill it before it is born, so nobody has consequences.  Wow, that so utopian of you.  Oh, and of course theirs only a few people out there that regret their abortion, because well, that does not fit into your Pro-Abortion narrative.  I regret having my baby ripped limb from limb from my body,  I made a choice believing the line that it was just a blob of tissue and bought into my own self-centeredness, of “it’s my life, my body”.  I have paid the consequences for that choice, and know many others who have as well…including the father.  So, I think in this scenerio maybe Techqueen333 doesn’t know what “IT” is talking about.

  • liberty or death

    Oh, I know what feminist means…and I don’t speak that kind of language, they’d ban me.

  • liberty or death

    I can see that.

  • liberty or death

    “Evict”…”Gestate”…sounds like you live life in a petri dish.

  • liberty or death

    I’m counting how many times you call me ignorant…don’t worry it does not hurt my feelings.  I accept your apology.

  • liberty or death

    I’m ignorant if I made a spelling mistake?  Go Science…seriously, I’ll pray for you.

  • liberty or death

    There you go with ignorant again…and that’s Creator, with a big “C”…actually the FF’s did not want the government to create a state sponsored religion and interfer with the practice of individuals rights to practice religion, but were not against the influces of Christianity in government.  Actually, Christianity is the cornerstone of our country…oh, did I say that.

  • Techqueen333

    I’m not sure what “IT” Is in your misogynistic mind.

    An embryo/fetus requires the  life support and resources of a womb. Providing that life support has life-altering consequences for the birthed female (physical, psychological, financial). Women still die from childbirth. Careers and futures can be ruined. Since the woman’s body/mind/future/investment in her life up to that point are all at stake, she alone gets to decide whether or not she will/can/wants to provide that life support and those resources. To force that is to enslave.

    Yes, there are consequences to actions, but ruining someone’s life/health/future by forcing her to gestate give birth or forcing her to carry a pregnancy to term where the fetus won’t live anyway or will face a life of constant challenge at horrendous expense is inhuman.

    The question of when a fetus can process pain because it would inform how abortions could occur. Obviously, the eviction of the sentient fetus must be one of induction. BTW, your allegation that abortion involves ripping fetuses limb from limb…first of all is a red herring argument…your argument is not about the if, it’s about the how, not the if…ignores the fact that most abortions are not performed in this way. The vast majority (check your statistics) are performed at very early developmental stages. There’s nothing to rip off and the embryo never knew what hit it.

    Regarding adoption…that is a huge topic…and despite more recent trends in international adoption (which are not without huge problems-http://www.resiliencefilm.com/Synopsis.html) historically, white families (the demographic majority) have wanted to adopt healthy white babies and have refused other options. But yes, my concerns about adoption around those who must live with the consequences of it…are for birthed people. It’s child abuse to force teenage girls to go through pregnancy and childbirth and relinquishment. I do think abortion is a better option and the literature supports it.

    I didn’t say NO ONE regrets abortion and I don’t have a pro-abortion narrative.  Independent scientific studies based on random samples from the general population provide strong evidence that the notion there are long term psychological consequences to abortion, particularly early abortion is a myth.

    Men’s rights to choice in pregnancy are limited to those granted to them by the women they’ve impregnated. I would suggest checking out the philosophies of the women you date before engaging in activities that could lead to pregnancy. Because while a man’s sadness or desire to have a child may make his situation more pitiable, to force his will on a woman’s body is to enslave her.

  • Techqueen333

    I don’t think you do. You resent any woman you can’t control.

  • Techqueen333

    I prefer scientific language to loaded, emotional language. Evict is a departure from scientific terminology, but clearly illustrates the woman’s dominion over her body and the fact that gestation is a situation of hosting.

  • Techqueen333

    I called your comments ignorant; I said you were ignorant of grammatical rules. I did not call you ignorant. You on the other hand said [sic] “Hmmm, your ignorant if you believe God created humans and your not ignorant if you believe humans evolved from apes”
    Pot calling the kettle black?

  • Techqueen333

    Oh, wait…I did once say you were ignorant for not knowing the difference between your and you’re (a consistent error). My bad. I think it was in response to your having implied that I was ignorant for accepting scientifically proven evolution over non-falsifiable creationism/ID.

  • Techqueen333

    “Ignorance” The ignorance of doing no reading or independent research that might include valid, reliable scientific research, primary source documents, etc. but commenting anyway, based on opinion, emotion and non-falsifiable religious dogma.

    If you believe that was the belief of the FFs, you really do need to go back and do some reading. How about the letters and other writings of the FFs. Oh, and BTW, why do you think there’s no mention of God in the Constitution? HMMMMMM? Christianity is most certainly not the cornerstone of our country. Most of the FFs were deists. To imply that Christianity is the cornerstone of our country is exclusionary and bigoted.

  • whatever

    When I read things like that, TheresaLynn, I am reminded of The Little Match Girl; a child no one cared about, wore clothes that didn’t look good-weren’t warm enough and was ignored by the people who walked past her.

  • liberty or death

    I always find it fascinating how the Pro-Abortion supporter does everything they can to not say the word – baby.  The words, the attitude, it’s all very death focused and basically a baby is a punishment.  Afterall, we wouldn’t want someones ”Career” to be ruined.  Abortion is always a better option…after all the literature supports it.

    You’ve said that most abortions happen at 12 weeks and under…a baby is fully formed at 12 weeks with limbs and body and all, and fits in the palm of your hand. The VAST MAJORITY of abortions for 12 weeks and under are vacuum abortions, which rip their limbs off.  Just because the baby is smaller and you use a scientific word to describe a baby, does not make it less a baby…it just makes a better excuse to kill it.  Why after all its just an embryo or a fetus.

    I heard Margaret Sanger (the founder of Planned Parenthood) loved her scientifc evidence as well, after all Eugenics was the in thing and her and the Nazi’s psychatrist agreed that there just needs to be a way to get rid of all those undesirable people.  There’s plenty of educated idiots out there that have lots of scientific evidence.

  • liberty or death

    Yes, I just have to control all women, including myself…

  • liberty or death

    Ignorant is a very scientific word, not emotional at all…”gestation”…”hosting”…sounds like an Alien invasion…don’t make a mistake and call it a baby or pregnancy…

  • liberty or death

    Now I’m an exclusionary bigot, is that more scientific language…sounds like you were educated at one of our great liberal colleges.

  • Techqueen333

    Ignorance a noun and quite apt for describing teh state your comments reflect. As in “Where ignorance is bliss, “tis folly to be wise.” (Gray, 1742).
    Gee…no…I won’t make a mistake using non-scientific language in a discussion of healthcare.

  • Techqueen333

    Why don’t you control yourself right into doing some reading.

  • Techqueen333

    Ignorance=lack of knowledge/learning. Constantly demonstrating a lack of knowledge of simple rules of English suggests a lack of learning.

  • Techqueen333

    Why shouldn’t they choose in their own best interest? You make no sense, liberty…Oh and your user name belies your ideology, BTW, at least on this issue. You’d have the state enslave women for gestational purposes.
    You state “pro-choice people don’t want women to know their alternatives. The only choice to them is abortion.” You base this analysis on what research. I want to see independent scientific research that has allowed you to draw that conclusion and generalize to the population of self-proclaimed “pro-choice” people. And, who are these people who work in “abortion clinics” who have “seen the light?” Again, how do you generalize this to the population? It is pathetic that you think women seeking abortions are so ignorant that they don’t know abortion terminates lives of human embryos and fetuses requiring life support and resources in a womb.
    Abortion is a big money maker? Oh brother. I don’t remember any kind of healthcare being free. There are costs associated with all medical procedures, and, yes, doctors are paid for their work and hospitals make money. I don’t begrudge doctors who perform abortion services a nickel. Given that there are unbalanced fanatics out there who seek to kill them, they deserve to be compensated well.

  • Techqueen333

    Yeah, you might try a bit of education yourself.

  • Techqueen333

    The reason for the avoidance of loaded (emotive) language in a debate is a desire to maintain accuracy and to avoid unduly influencing the reader/listener by appealing to the emotions (rather than the reason) For example, what is a pro-abortion supporter? Pro-choice people are not pro-abortion, we are against being forced to gestate by the state. We believe abortion is an essential healthcare service that should be available to all women seeking it. We are not, advocating as a group for pregnant women to have abortions. Nor do we have a slogan that says pregnancy is a punishment; this is just a straw man you are trying to build.

    Literature provides evidence to support claims such as when sentience occurs. It is interesting to me that whenever I get into one of these discussions with an anti-choice person, he/she disparages the use of independent scientific research to back up claims. This is the same type of scientific research that rid us of polio and informs the development and improvement of social and other programs.

    At 8 to 12 weeks, the embryo/fetus is still in an early developmental stage, unable feel or to process pain. Whether or not it is extracted or removed in some other way is irrelevant in terms of its experience. Those who object are projecting the way in which they imagine they would experience it onto the non-cognizant, non-sentient embryo/fetus. Further, as it is not viable outside the womb (being in an early developmental stage) it requires a womb to survive and continue to develop. The question is really whether or not a birthed, fully entitled female can be forced to host the embryo/fetus in hers. The answer is NO as this is a violation of her civil rights and is actually a form of enslavement.

     Your quantum leap dot connecting between Margaret Sanger and the Nazis and the Holocaust of the 1940s (or Rwanda in modern times) has resulting in the specious, ad captandum line of argument of which I run into with anti-choice folk all the time.  You cannot compare abortion to genocide. Genocide is about more than numbers. It involves the purposeful extermination of a race of people (of all ages). It involves wiping an ideology/ideas out. Hitler wanted Judaism to be history, not just Jewish people. In the Rwandan genocide, more people were killed in one day than in any time of history and people either killed their neighbors or had to watch their families killed. Further, while we don’t accept all of Margaret Sanger’s philosophies, including negative eugenics, her philosophy departs from that of the Nazis—I quote:  All the news from Germany is sad & horrible, and to me more dangerous than any other war going on any where because it has so many good people who applaud the atrocities & claim its right. The sudden antagonism in Germany against the Jews & the vitriolic hatred of them is spreading underground here & is far more dangerous than the aggressive policy of the Japanese in Manchuria..” ( “The Sanger-Hitler Equation”, Margaret Sanger Papers Project
    Newsletter, #32, Winter 2002/3. New York University Department of
    History) was a heroine in her campaign to promote birth control. Thanks to her work, countless lives have been saved.

  • liberty or death

    I’m ignorant I can’t read

  • liberty or death

    Knowledge about what Leftist Progressive ideaology…no thanks.

  • liberty or death

    Yes, I believe in liberty the constitution, the bible, all those awful things and proud of it…is there anything you can believe with out have some scientific study for…you don’t sound like a very free and independent thinker?  Here’s some knowledge for that intellectual brain of yours:

    http://www.bloodmoneyfilm.com
    http://www.abbyjohnson.org
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1161890/posts

    If your interested in seeing body parts of a 12 week old baby aborted…well I’m sure your intelligent enough to Google it…

  • liberty or death

    Abortion is Healthcare?  A very small percentage of abortion is a health decision…life and safety of the mother, incest…most abortions are because a baby is inconvenient.  The justifications for abortion you give, well, the only thing I can say is they are sick and twisted. 

    News Flash:  Margaret Sanger was racist and wanted Eugenics used on the black population because they were inferior…birth control was population control of those who she felt shouldn’t breed.  The black population in this country has been decimated by abortion, over 17,000,000 black babies have been aborted. No Margaret Sanger didn’t believe in killing people after they were born, but was no heroin.  She was a warped individual as well, that may have started out with good intentions, but led in a very dark direction…I am so thankful I saw the light and no longer pro-abortion, and I am so thankful their are many out there like me that are seeing the truth…and you can’t stop the truth, no matter how much you deny it and justify your position.  Thank God, I will never be like you and others that hold the same position…in the end we will all have to answer for what we believe.

  • whatever

     Otherwise known as when all else fails…  While you’re at it, go look up some pictures of anencephaly. 

    If you choose to complete a pregnancy, more power to you.  When it comes to carrying a pregnancy to term you do not and should not have the right to force other people to carry it to term.  Even God allows free will.   

  • whatever

     Otherwise known as when all else fails…  While you’re at it, go look up some pictures of anencephaly. 

    If you choose to complete a pregnancy, more power to you.  When it comes to carrying a pregnancy to term you do not and should not have the right to force other people to carry it to term.  Even God allows free will.   

  • Techqueen333

    I don’t think you have a clue what leftist progressive [sic] ideaology means. You can’t even spell it.

  • Techqueen333

    Abortion is legitimate healthcare. What credentials do you have to determine someone’s belief system is sick and twisted? None, I’m guessing. This is your opinion. Well, my opinion is that enslaving a female by forcing gestation for any reason is sick and twisted. This is particularly so when it concerns a minor.
    Your assertions about Margaret Sanger, other than that she was probably racist are nothing more than anti-choice propaganda.
    BTW, while you are learning the difference your and you’re, you might want to spend some time on there, their and they’re. Oh, no one said Margaret Sanger was heroin. She was a heroine because her fierce and tireless work to make safe birth control widely accessible saved countless lives.
    Oh, and to whom will we answer for saving women from slavery? Better have some proof ready.

  • Techqueen333

    Amen, @52bee2ad9046f3603d4de07722c9cb56:disqus !

  • Techqueen333

    Anti-choice propaganda. I find Abby Johnson particularly despicable. She’s exploiting superstitious, gullible and naive people with her ad captandum rhetoric and specious arguments. She’s enjoying her 15 minutes of fame and laughing all the way to the bank.

  • Techqueen333

    PS @liberty…if you believe in the Constitution, you might want to check out what the Bill of Rights says in the Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments. Check out Griswold v Connecticut and Roe v. Wade. Oh, and in regard to the Bible, check out the First Amendment.

  • Anonymous

    Which has nothing to do with making decisions of pro-life versus pro-death and primarily has to do with how you feel about yourself ~ that you’d choose the negative choice to receive attention than to receive no attention at all~  and that you are the Little Match Girl ~ more of a follower than a leader ~ with hope to lure those like yourself who are desperately trying to find a sense of acceptance versus protecting the dignity and life of your child and the most innocent children throughout our society ~ and has nothing to do with the reality of the life of the most innocent or the evil that dwells within the abortion industry. I love my life, my husband and my children, I love our family and extended family, neighbors and parishioners and appreciate that we’ve all been given our constitutional right to life, liberty and justice. And I hope that someday you too will feel worthy of such. God Bless you.

  • Anonymous

    Women who’ve experienced the misinformation and evils of the abortion industry have come forward and you cannot change the language or the reality of the abortion industry. I realize that you enjoy debating and this is not a debate, it’s a reality that weak contraception leads to unexpected pregnancies that leads to profit to the abortion industry and the research that they profit further after the abortion. You might consider spending more time talking with women who’ve experienced abortion versus debating those who provide the facts. After all, it’s not between you and I, it never was, it’s between you and our Creator, Jesus Christ. you. By the way ~ there is help out there for those who want it and considering your overall negative views of life, you might consider such. God Bless you.

  • Anonymous

    p.s Charmaine Yoest provided the facts with respect and professionalism despite the uncertainty of professionalism of the journalist interviewing her. Abortion has been legal nearly 40 years and women who’ve experienced abortion, who regret having abortion are who’ve lost their life and the life of their baby are factual information that it’s not the answer.

  • Anonymous

    Catholicism upholds the sanctity of life at all stages. This is not between you and me, it’s between you and our Creator, Jesus Christ. I clearly understand the definition of hypocrite. May you experience a change of heart and may God Bless you.

  • liberty or death

    Get over the spelling mistakes, this isn’t a language test…and no you are not offending me…your anger is telling…are you a slave, because you seem obsessed with slavery.

  • liberty or death

    Yes, it’s all about fame…fun and games.

  • liberty or death

    I don’t think you are praying to the same God…don’t waste your breath.

  • liberty or death

    I don’t think you are praying to the same God…don’t waste your breath.

  • liberty or death

    Well said Theresa…I’ve been trading barbs with these nuts for the past two days…I think I’m done giving them a hard time…its just to easy to get under their skin.  We could go back and forth forever, they need to have that life changing moment, or not.

  • liberty or death

    Theresa…your way too nice and reserved…Techqueen thinks nobody reads but her/him

  • Techqueen333

    This is crap. There is no “abortion industry.” Abortion services are legitimate, essential services provided within the healthcare industry. Stop spreading propaganda from anti-choice sites. 
    What I can decode from your nearly incoherent jibberish is that you believe all crisis pregnancies are caused by weak birth control. WRONG. Clearly, you know little about how women are treated around the world. Oh, and I’ve talked to lots of women who’ve had abortions and I’ve read the studies. None of the women I’ve met…and I’ve met many…regret their abortions. But, unlike you and other anti-choice folk…I don’t assume the anecdotal evidence I’ve accumulated constitutes facts. I rely on independent, valid, reliable scientific research to provide evidence.  What you and others like you do is collect only those stories that will support your non-falsifiable religion-based beliefs about abortion and companion paranoia about an “abortion industry.” You refuse to read real research that refutes your claims. You create specious ad captandum arguments and propagandize to the naive and ignorant.
    Oh…and BTW…Religion has zero place in public policy making. 
    Oh, and what kind of help is it you believe I need? Religion? 

  • Techqueen333

    Charmaine Yoest provided her own version of the facts. The journalist was extremely professional. You just can’t handle the fact that she exposed Yoest’s hypocrisy. 
    You also have no evidence to back up your claim (which I suspect you got from some ridiculous group like Live Action that thrives on junk science and specious arguments). Independent scientific research clearly reveals that when considering the general population, people who have abortions suffer no long-term psychological effects. Therapeutic abortion in a reputable facility is extremely safe. BTW, women still die in childbirth around the world with shocking regularity. 
    Forcing gestation on a female, especially a minor, instead of allowing for the safe removal of a primitive, non-sentient, minuscule embryo constitutes enslavement and is a gross violation of civil rights. If you don’t believe in abortion, then don’t have one. But, you have no right to force your religion-based ideology on other women.

  • Techqueen333

    No, @ liberty…I think those who post remarks evidence a lack of research and statistical-based knowledge to evidence a lack of reading/knowledge. 

  • Techqueen333

    Catholicism is so clear on the “sanctity of life” that it supported the Nazi Holocaust and has, for decades, protected pedophiles.
    Okay, well if it’s between me and my Creator, Jesus Christ (wait…wasn’t God, the Father, supposed to be the Creator…hmmm)…I say that Jesus Christ just told me that I’m right and you are wrong. Prove that’s not true.

  • Techqueen333

    I’d hardly call what you’ve offered in trade as barbs @fef2edef45b6ddb6c268c75b3c53b8ea:disqus . If your comments were intended as barbs, let me suggest that you sharpen your points. Further, what credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose the pro-choice people who have commented here as “nuts.” None, I think. 
    Oh, and what is that life changing moment, @ liberty? 

  • Techqueen333

    I can’t believe that you think women walk in so uncomprehending…
    You also have a very narrow view of what constitutes life and are dogmatic and inflexible in your view of when life begins. 

  • Techqueen333

    I would counter that girls/women who choose abortion ARE taking leadership and ARE making self/life-affirming decisions. If you are so concerned about the dignity and lives of the innocent children in our society…concern yourself with the birthed ones whose social programs are being decimated by the republicans in Congress. 
    There is no “abortion industry.” This is propaganda.

  • liberty or death

    Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed…looks like Theresa hit the nail on the head.   I think the only evidence you like is the one that supports your narrative.

  • liberty or death

    Therapeutic abortion (which is an oxymoron) is used in a small percentage of all abortions in the US. Also, countries other than the US do have many issues with pregnancy, but most of those countries are way behind the US in healthcare and government. In those other countries the need for an abortion to save the life of the mother is going to be a lot more likely.  Abortion is also used as a tool of population control, for example in China, if you go over your quota of children you will be forced to have a state sponsored abortion if you want one or not (Interesting that doesn’t really come on the pro-abortion radar).

  • liberty or death

    Yes, there were some in the church that supported the Nazis…however, there were many who did not and they were killed along side the Jews.  I visited Dachau in Germany and there were baracks reserved there specifically for Catholic Priests, who did not make it out of Dachau.  Unfortunately, the hierarchy of the Catholic Church has protected pedophiles which has been a problem for them…there are few that have fought the system.  I personally believe that because preists are not allowed to marry they attract this type of behavior.  I am not Catholic, but I know many good God loving Catholics…you cannot convict God for the sin of man.  Unfortunately, you have not discovered that.

  • liberty or death

    Theresa seems like she cares about all children unborn and born.  Government social programs are not the answer…and the abortion industry does exist, deny or not.

  • liberty or death

    Life begins when the egg is fertalized…but you acknowledged earlier that an embryo is life, just not enough life to not have an abortion.  So, up until what stage do you believe a abortion is okay to do?

  • Techqueen333

    No, I’m in a great mood. That you think Theresa “hit the nail on the head” is evidence that you don’t understand what constitutes evidence and that you, in fact, are the one who only likes what supports your narrative.

  • Techqueen333

    And what evidence do you have that therapeutic abortion is “used in a small percentage of all abortions in the U.S?” In fact, statistics show that maternal mortality and morbidity is quite low in U.S. abortion facilities where therapeutic procedures are performed. And how are you an expert on what happens in other countries? Your evidence?
    You are magically correct (sort of) regarding China. Although, the actual situation is that many are allowed to continue with their pregnancies but their infant, when birthed gets no government ID. That means he/she can’t get an education, heathcare, etc. There is a huge financil penalty the parents must pay in order to get an ID where that is possible. Pro-abortion people may not care about the plight of pregnant women in China (of course, I don’t know any pro-abortion people), but pro-choice people certainly do.
    You may be interested to know @liberty, that childless couples of means buy children (generally not infants–often toddlers or older) from the poor or those who have had illegal births. These are informal adoptions….not much different than our private adoptions in the US…except in the US the intermediaries get most of the profit.

  • Techqueen333

    Correction: Those who post remarks that evince a lack of research, etc……demonstrate a lack..

  • Techqueen333

    I’m a slave because I’m passionate about ending the enslavement of women through forced gestation/childbirth by religious zealots? How does that make sense?

  • Techqueen333

    Whoops@fef2edef45b6ddb6c268c75b3c53b8ea:disqus  Another misspelling! “FERTILIZED.” I acknowledged that an embryo is alive, but so is my thumb. I have a broader definition of LIFE. Further, the embryo requires the use of the body of another to provide life support until it reaches viability. That host alone has the inalienable right to decide whether or not she can/will provide that life support AT ANY STAGE.
    I am against any legislation that prevents women from reclaiming their bodies at any point.  Post sentience and viability, a fetus should be delivered by induction or c-section only. Normal fetuses who require assistance at that point should receive it. 
    Having said that, I support universal healthcare and availability of birth control. I am for education/social uplift programs, protection of women from abuse and other ways of preventing crisis pregnancy. I am for scientific research that would lead to earlier testing for chromosomal anomalies and other abnormalities. I am for early abortion when necessary. But, as things exist, most anomalies cannot be detected until the second trimester and sometimes after. Women need the opportunity to terminate those pregnancies. There are valid reasons for later abortions.

  • Techqueen333

    And you have what proof?

  • liberty or death

    You actually found a way to minimize what happens in Communist China congratulations!  Yes, almost have to have means to adopt or “buy” a baby, because the system is so difficult and expensive…and they adopt toddlers, because it can take 2 to 3 years to go throught the process.

  • Techqueen333

    And you became an expert based on one visit to Dachau? Wow. How about the fact that the church leadership supported the Nazis.
    The causes of pedophilia are not known. The research does not show a causal relationship between taking a vow of celibacy and child sexual abuse. In fact, many priests have relationships with adult men and women. I’m a recovering Catholic and within the realm of my own experience I have known priests who were having clandestine affairs with other adults. Often these affairs result in the man leaving the priesthood to continue the relationship or to marry.

  • Techqueen333

    Uh…I think you’d better re-read. You didn’t get it. http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/chinas-stolen-children/index.html    This documentary speaks to the stolen children crisis in China as well as the issue of forced abortion, the one-child policy, and child selling.

  • liberty or death

    This has been an interesting exchange of information, and your responses have been very predictable.  When a liberal is challenged the result is always the same, try to put down those with opposing views, by making them out to be intellectually inferior and present yourself as being superior.  This was not only directed at me, but is was also directed at Theresa…who was extremely nice in how she wrote her responses.  Liberalism is a mental distortion and unfortunately those individuals are misguided by emotional responses, and incorrect facts.  I am so grateful that my journey in life has lead me away from that dark view of the world.  I once was a liberal, who believed that abortion was just a matter of choice,  I looked at the world through a different lens…at one time I may have agreed with many of your points. Thankfully I have evolved, matured and questioned my beliefs.  There are many life experiences that have brought me to this point, but number one is God, and I will never go back.  I hope someday you find Him too…goodbye. 

  • Techqueen333

    Your ad hominum put down and invocation of God were not unexpected cop outs given the  petulance and sanctimoniousness you’ve shown each time you weren’t able to counter my points with statistics, studies or valid points. Further, it is you who consistently tries to paint yourself as being on a higher intellectual and moral plane. I’m just here telling you why you aren’t superior and why your “facts” aren’t facts, but rather parroting of anti-choice propaganda.
    Regarding Theresa, however nice you think she may be, I see her as dangerous to privacy and personal freedom as someone who posts in a nasty way. Her posts reveal that she doesn’t believe in separation between church and public policy and I suspect she will the level/punch the chad in favor of those who would vote to force gestation.
    Regarding God, He/She has no place in public policy making and, therefore, details of your conversion experience only serve to explain (in part) your irrational thinking.

  • Anonymous

    The Catholic Church never protects evil ~ and those like yourself who
    apparently are anti-Christian chooses to use the human evil that crept into
    the Church against the goodness within. The greed of those who financially
    benefited from the scandal versus coming forward ~ brings question as to
    what truly took place.
    The Catholic Church was practicing the teaching of Jesus Christ 200
    plus years before the Bible and gives to those in need.You’re very angry and
    confused ~ and your attempt to discredit any goodness or moral truth to
    defend legally killing the youngest of life and ruining lives of millions of
    women who’ve come forward doesn’t uphold the truth of what’s taking place.
    This isn’t a debate ~ it never was and it isn’t between you and I or others
    who differ ~ it’s between you and our Creator ~ who entrusted mothers and
    fathers to protect and care for life. Take care and God Bless you.

  • Anonymous

    The truth prevails as with nearly 40 years of destroying the youngest of
    life, it’s morally wrong and with great regret, women are coming forward.
    Read the history of Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood ~ it’s a billion
    dollar industry to control the minority population. And promoting what they
    label as “safe sex” to the youngest of females is why they’ve become a
    billion dollar profitable industry.
    Weak contraception = unplanned pregnancy = increased abortions = profit to
    the abortionist, Planned Parenthood and research organizations who recyle
    the brain, organs and tissue of the babies who’s lives are destroyed.
    You mentioned my being reserved ~ with reservation comes time to listen ~
    try it sometime. As this isn’t between us or others who differ ~ it never
    was ~ it’s between you and our Creator. God Bless you!

  • Techqueen333

    The Catholic Church has admitted that it protected the human evil within it…where have you been? Read the news? I’ve seen the effects of the protection of pedophiles first hand; men’s lives destroyed by the molestation they endured as boys and from the decisions made by the adults around them to protect the clergymen instead of the children.
    I’m not anti-Christian. I’m anti basing public policy on non-falsifiable religious beliefs. I believe that the absolute separation of church and state as intended by the framers of the Constitution is the only way to protect freedom.
    Destroying the youngest of life? How about not enslaving women who don’t choose to provide life support for developing embryos/fetuses with their body; how about parents deciding to terminate pregnancies involving abnormal or dead fetuses?
    Millions of women have come forward to say their lives were ruined by abortion? You have no evidence of that. To quote Robinson et al’s 2009 metaanalysis of the literature on the question of “abortion trauma published in the Harvard Review of Psychiatry, they write: “Recent studies that have been used to assert a causal connection between abortion and subsequent mental disorders are marked by methodological problems that include, but not limited to: poor sample and comparison group selection; inadequate conceptualization and control of relevant variables; poor quality and lack of clinical significance of outcome measures; inappropriateness of statistical analyses; and errors of interpretation, including misattribution of causal effects. By way of contrast, we review some recent major studies that avoid these methodological errors. The most consistent predictor of mental disorders after abortion remains preexisting disorders, which, in turn, are strongly associated with exposure to sexual abuse and intimate violence.
    And you know the debate is between the Creator and me? And how can you prove your claims. You can’t. They are a matter of your personal belief. When you try to force that on me, you violate my freedom of religion (and privacy).

  • Techqueen333

    You are a victim of mind control. None of what you write is true.

  • motherof2

     I have no problem with making abortion illegal if we make artificial insemination is illegal also, for we are going to tell women they can not murder life then we should also tell women they can not grow it in test tubes.  My reasoning is simple if your going to force women into giving life then we must force people to accept the life that is already here.

  • Guest

    The headline to this story is slanted.  “Anti-abortion rights movement”?  Would they ever use a headline with “anti-gun rights” in it?  Of course not.  Shelley Lewis is on the record as being pro-abortion.  What’s surprising is that she doesn’t even bother to camoflauge this bias.  At other times “Need to Know” talks about “reproductive freedom”, another slanted term.  Should PBS continue to receive taxpayer funds when it shows such blatant bias?  I don’t think so.  I think it’s a pretty safe bet that PBS is dominated by liberal ideologues.  It’s the lack of an attempt to disguise this that is somewhat surprising.  “Anti-abortion rights”.  Sheesh.  Couldn’t the so-called abortion rights movement be called the “Anti-unborn Child Rights Movement”?

  • Samantha Gladdis

    Words are so important in the battle over abortion.  Do not let the pro-abortionists dominate how the conversation over the issue is to proceed.  Use the right words, not the words they choose.  It isn’t pro-choice, it is pro-abortion.  I often refer to pro-abortionists as pro-deathers.  It isn’t anti-abortion rights, use the term pro-life.  Point out that they want to kill the life in the womb, and you want to protect it.  Let them know they aren’t protecting the innocent life in the womb, you are.  Don’t let them tell you how to talk about it.  Use words of truth, not their words.Anti-abortion rights – This term is used to put the pro-lifer on the defensive by using the word “rights,” and then erringly setting the pro-lifer against “rights,” as though the pro-life person is against a woman’s rights.  Not so. Anti-Choice – Pro-lifers are not anti-choice.  We believe in freedom of choice.  Women can choose what clothes to wear, what they want to eat, where they want to live, etc.  We aren’t against making choices.  We are against the destruction of life in the womb of the mother. Embryo – In humans, this is the pre-fetal product of conception from implantation through the eighth week of development.  It is often used because it is technical and carries no emotional baggage.  Use the term “life in the womb” instead. Fetus – In humans, this is the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier “embryo.”  This is another term that is technically accurate but void of humanity.  Use the term “life in the womb” instead. Parasite – an organism that lives in or on its host, feeds off of the host, and does nothing to contribute to the survival of the host.  Sometimes pro-deathers will use this term to describe the baby in the womb.  It is a negative term and raises negative emotions.  The purpose of using it is to strip the baby of its humanity and make it easier to kill. Pregnancy – In humans, this is the state of carrying a developing offspring in the body of a woman.  Use the term pregnancy with “mother.”  The mother is pregnant. Pregnancy Reduction – An abortive method of reducing the number of babies in the womb (twins, triplets, etc.) by injecting a poison into the heart of one or more of the babies while it is still in the womb.  This is horrible, and the term is used in a clinical, dry way.  The reality is, it is killing the babies. Reproductive Rights – a strongly slanted term used by the pro-deather side that implies abortion is a natural right.  It isn’t.  It may be legal, but it doesn’t make it a right.  We don’t have the right to kill the baby in the womb because it is inconvenient.
    Don’t let the pro-deathers dominate and control the conversation.  Don’t let them tell you how it is to be discussed.  Use the terms of truth, not their sterile, non-human type phrases that are slanted towards their skewed position.

  • Techqueen333

    You are right on one point, Samantha. Words are VERY important in this struggle to over a woman’s right to choose whether or not she is physically, psychologically or otherwise prepared provide life support to a developing human embryo/fetus with HER body and resources and to give birth to it. That’s why your loaded and incorrect language is so grossly inappropriate. For example, those of us who would protect the civil rights of women are not pro-abortion, we are pro having the choice to have an abortion as one of our options when faced with a crisis pregnancy. It is also incorrect for you to try and gain a proprietary hold on the term pro-life. Pro choice people just define life differently than you. Oh, and we use scientific terminology because it is correct and unloaded. It has nothing to do with our feelings about humanity. We do have a right to refuse to provide life support to an embryo/fetus in our wombs (for whatever reason) because to deny us that right would be to enslave us, to appropriate our bodies for the benefit of the state.  That doesn’t make us pro-deathers.That’s your silly term and it means nothing.
    In short, I’m not letting you control the conversation or letting you tell me how it is to be discussed. In terms of truth, use terminology with a scientific basis. Otherwise, you are just using loaded, emotional language that geared towards getting a rise out of your audience and promoting your very skewed and oppressive position.

  • Techqueen333

    What? No, Samantha. Following your straw man argument, we don’t say anti-gun rights because we say anti-gun control. It’s one of those terminology things. Shelley Lewis’s pro choice position has nothing to do with the fact that she’s blowing holes in the Alison’s Stewart’s presentation. You just don’t like it, so you’re having a tantrum. The fact is that you would be very hard pressed to find people who weren’t biased one way or the other on this topic (or any other significant topic for that matter) and so your argument that Shelley shouldn’t interview Alison because Shelley is pro-choice is impractical and hypocritical. By hypocritical, I mean that you’d only allow those who would protect your position (by not pointing out the flaws in the remarks) to work for PBS and interview guests. That is merdeux.
    No, the so-called abortion rights movement could not be called the “anti-unborn child rights movement.” You are just trying to load the language again. The abortion rights movement is about protecting the rights of women to choose whether or not they can or will provide life support to a developing embryo/fetus with their bodies and give birth. The anti-abortion rights movement is about the appropriation of women’s bodies by the state and gross violations of our civil rights.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angi-Stamm/100000912584644 Angi Stamm

    No worries Samantha, I get what you are saying…it is all about controlling the narrative and the left has done that for a long time.  Except, our narrative includes the truth and the truth seems to be working because the article is about how we are succeeding and this really freaks the left out…good will prevail over evil. 

  • Techqueen333

    Your narrative includes the “truth”? How do you figure? What I see from your side is a narrative filled with loaded language and supported by junk science.
    Evil? I tell you what’s evil—the enslavement and oppression of women through state-forced gestation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angi-Stamm/100000912584644 Angi Stamm

    Careful your fangs are showing.

  • Techqueen333

    Fangs? Really? At the risk of being called out for the same ad hominem kind of argument in which you engaged when you identified pro-choice narratives as the work of “liberal ideologues,” I have to say that I’ve found personal attacks (“your fangs are showing”) and name calling typical (along with red herring and straw man arguments…or calls to the supernatural) behavior from pro-forced gestation/childbirth fundamentalist conservatives when they realize they have no rational response or empirical evidence to disprove premises put before them.

  • Techqueen333

    I wonder where you spend your time researching and reading about the education system. Sounds a lot like the Rush Limbaugh school of thought to me.

    No, I do not mean social justice Marxist style. If I had meant that, I would have said it.