Abortion in America

Should there be any restrictions on abortion?

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  • DeeKat

    The Roe vs Wade decision was well thought out using science and medical expertise. There might be some tweaking needed at this point because the window has changed for what is a viable fetus but most if it is quite solid and should be upheld. More people need to read the decision. It really is quite well done.

  • DeeKat

    “For the stage prior to the approximate end of the first trimester,
    the abortion decision must be left to the medical judgment of the
    pregnant woman’s attending physician, and may not be criminalized by
    statute.

    For the stage subsequent to the approximate end of the first
    trimester, the State may regulate abortion in ways reasonably related to
    maternal health based upon the State’s interest in promoting the health
    of the mother.
    For the stage subsequent to viability, the State may regulate and
    even proscribe abortion, except where necessary for the preservation of
    the mother’s life, based upon the State’s interest in the potential of
    the potential life of the unborn child”

  • Annbromm

    The reasons for deciding to have an abortion are as varied as the women who are forced to make such a decision. The government should not in any way be involved in it.

  • deckla

    The Poll is poorly worded: i.e., answer 2 would be. Yes there should be restrictions on abortion in cases of rape and incest (but not otherwise). This makes no sense at all. I assume what is meant is: Yes there should be restrictions on abortion except in cases of rape and incest (and maybe when the health of the mother or the health of the unborn fetus is compromised).

  • Russell Johnson

    I can think of several elected people that abortion should be legal up the 200th trimster. Frankly I think the idea of any Republican rumaging around in girls and womens panties is perverse. How many of these people agree with the guy from Mo.

  • HillbillyBill

    This is still between a woman and her physician. She may consult anyone she wishes prior to making her decision, but it is still between her and her doctor.

  • May O’ Brien

    Government needs to stay out of women’s personal reproductive decisions which are private. These decisions are private between a woman’s doctor and herself along with family assistance. There is no place what so ever for government intervention!

  • Midgy

    Abortion is a natural process, ie, spontaneous abortions a/k/a miscarriage. About one in five pregnancies end in miscarriage. If a person believes that God is involved with every conception, then GOD MUST BE AN ABORTIONIST. If abortion becomes criminalized will women who have a miscarriage be falsely charged? How many men are on the sexual preditor list because they were falsely charged?

  • Ihavetheright

    The question is does the government or any other person have the right to decide what I do with my body and my unborn child. Not do you agree with it. If you don’t then don’t do it. But in no situation should I have to relive horrible experiences to get permission to make a decision that effects me and my unborn child. You can inform, inform, inform and inform the public of the repercussions and that’s where outside input ends. If it is a religious matter, you should believe that the power lies in your higher powers hands and that persons offenses will be dealt with by that higher power. Not by man.

  • Deborah

    I truly believe that a woman’s body belongs to her and her alone. It does not belong to her husband, society, doctor or clergy. It is her sole decision to abort or proceed with the pregnancy. With luck, there will continue to be funds available for abortions. To interfere with a woman’s decision is simply a play for power by who ever is interfering.

  • Ihavetheright

    Stop adding and subtracting trimesters, its non of your business. If you have an opinion you have the right to educate not control. If we addressed some of the other major issues like prevention and education regarding all subjects including health care many women wouldn’t find themselves in a position to make such a tough decision.

  • http://profiles.google.com/anntink Dena McPherson

    The woman has a right to her body and the unborn child has a right to it’s body – and also it’s life, by the way. Your rights end when they interfere with the rights of another person.

  • Fred

    I just don’t understand how a lady can make the decision to end her child’s life. No doubt there are times when pregnancy and delivering a baby is an inconvenience, maybe an obstacle for career advancement or obtaining more education. Perhaps for some ladies it interferes with social issues. Pregnancy can easily create a sense of despair and worry over how life will change due to the heavy responsibilities of child rearing – for any of us. Certainly the decision to abort a child has caused anguish both prior to and after the abortion. However abortion still means the end of a human life, and that is not a matter to be taken lightly regardless of political persuasions or the legality of abortion. Many couples are looking for babies to adopt. Rather than government supported abortions, government could provide greater incentives for adoption. If delivered and nurtured these children would express their personalities, they would cause their family to laugh at their antics, they would become a source of pride as they grow.

  • pickle

    Quite frankly it is insulting that individuals are still consumed with allowing the continuing of murder, murder funded by taxpayers & not the irresponsible woman. women & men, since no one want to discuss male rights- takes 2 remember- now have easy access to: condoms, spermicide, birth control pills, birth control shots, the patch, several iuds, “morning after pill”, sterilization, & most of all abstinence!! I believe woman do have rights: the right to to decide to take the risk of pregnancy if they chose to engage in intercourse!
    i believe we have to preserve our future and to do so people need to face the consequences of their actions. we raise our children with that belief; yet we do not expect supposedly mature educated adults to adhere those same principles. no wonder morality is almost non existent.
    as to woman having rights to good health care i say: there is insurance, clinics, state funded programs, organized mammogram mobiles, and many programs that one can discover if they ask or seek advice.
    you want to discuss medical care and medical rights how about you focus on how insurance companies deny customers doctor issued medicine, & the financial burden that puts on individuals; and less on how to murder innocent babies thus generations of people: doctors, teachers, etc…. all because someone failed to be responsible!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/PastorJJFT Jim Turturro

    Abortion is a medical decision made between a woman and her Doctor.
    This is the law of the land. Moral absolutist have the same freedoms
    if they do not want an abortion no one should force them to have one.
    Rev. JIM

  • http://twitter.com/PastorJJFT Jim Turturro

    I am a male Christian Theologian I have no right to project or dominate my
    values upon another human being. In Genesis: God did not stop Cain from
    killing his brother. God is not a bully. Why should the clergy or the state
    become one. Rev. JIM

  • http://twitter.com/PastorJJFT Jim Turturro

    Well said. The parcing is just part of the Western Legal Tradition.
    An eye for an eye etc. We just do not want to go backward but forward
    to Tolerance.

  • http://twitter.com/PastorJJFT Jim Turturro

    Strongly agree: Rev. JIM

  • http://twitter.com/PastorJJFT Jim Turturro

    The longest tradition of this view point concerns the ‘born child’.
    The Natural Law in the Hebrew Tradition. Personhood begins at birth.
    Legally and Morally. The all male debate club has mislead the
    faithful with their bias just a little too long. Rev. JIM

  • Jon

    The poll is not only poorly worded as noted below, but implies 20 weeks (rather than 24) of gestation is the point of fetal viability, and that a “no” answer could mean that it would be acceptable to abort a healthy nine-month fetus even if the life or health of the woman were not at risk. As a pro-choice activist, who was pro-life in her 20′s, I find polls like these frustrating. Come on, Need To Know, I expect better.

  • http://twitter.com/PastorJJFT Jim Turturro

    The concept of freedom of religious conscience trumps all arguements and
    bishops. Rev. JIM

  • Anonymous

    I cannot believe that we are still discussing this. Safe, legal, rare. If men got pregnant, abortion would be offered on every corner and for free. The government is sticking its nose where it doesn’t belong. I guess it’s okay for government oversight of women’s reproductive rights, but not guns.

  • http://twitter.com/PastorJJFT Jim Turturro

    Easy on the guys we are fragile. God big question. I think about the process of making decisions. We are all free to make decisions and we do the best
    we can. Doing our best to do the right thing as we understand it, is my understanding of God in the here and now. Oh guys make questionable
    decisions just like every one else! Pro Choice..Pro Obama..Rev. JIM

  • http://twitter.com/PastorJJFT Jim Turturro

    Strongly agree.

  • http://twitter.com/PastorJJFT Jim Turturro

    Strongly Agree

  • LJ

    Fantastic show! Thank you very much. As a female voter in VA this is an important issue! Attempts to sweep it under a rug are exceedingly repugnant. This is a battle hard fought and won. It should remain so.

  • Karilynn

    It’s a woman’s choice for an abortion. Sure some women would keep a child after being raped but others including myself would prefer not to stare into the face of a child that looks like my rapist. I’m sure others would agree. The government needs to stay out of private matters. I’m in control of my body and I won’t have the government telling me if I can or can’t have an abortion.

  • Hard Left

    The topic and discussion is inherently sexist.

    The Democrats have correctly returned to hard left on this. President Clinton was forced to be more centrist than a civil libertarian, but the issue is not negotiable.

    Thankfully, the Republicans self-destructed on this one in the current election, and Mr. Romney’s ambivalence will only serve to provide one more reason for the Christian Right to stay at home, or at the closest Chic-fil-a. Yeah, I said it.

  • Lauren B.

    “Rev JIM” The Lord God will judge you according to his laws. AND by the way God didn’t stop Cain from killing Able because there is this thing called Free Will and with Free Will comes judgement from God. You WILL be judged on your actions here based on the decisions you made in your lifetime, it’s called TAKING RESPONSIBLITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS. Something that all Pro-Choicers seem to lack understanding of.
    For “Midgy” equating God as a abortionist is quite the insult to Christianity if you know anything of it. GOD alone is the giver AND taker of life. Just because women want to go around playing God by fantasizing that abortion isn’t the murder of their own unborn child doesn’t make it legal in the eyes of God. Remember that when you meet Him on judgement day.

  • Tina

    So, are you suggesting that we legalize murder as well? We, as a society, have seemed to completely dilute the fact that abortion is no different than murder in that it is willfully ending a life. Miscarriages are unfortunate, traumatic, and are something which brings my mom to tears over even 30 years after her own experience. This not a light subject and needs to be viewed for what it really is…Pro-Choice people: kudos for your ability to make abortion seem so tolerable…I’m regrettably disgusted.

  • Jeff

    Exactly! When did the words freedom & choice become antonyms? This war was fought and settled already. I consider anyone who actively tries to reverse these rights a “devilutionist”, if I may coin a phrase. We should be evolving not moving backward to the which hunt days.

  • Tony

    I respectfully disagree. I have read numerous opinions by those who are themselves pro choice, that R v W was poorly worded and based on poor interpretation of the laws that were the foundation of it. They said that they definately supported it and were glad that it was out in place. But they acknowledge it’s NOT on solid legal footing. I would hope that R v W would be at least modified to reflect our current knowledge of how young the child can be at birth and still survive. And IS the survival of the child the proper litmus test? The “humanity” of the child hasn’t changed simply because we’ve progressed in our medical skills. If you would “tweak” R v W based on medical advances, then you must admit that thousand upon thousands of our children have been killed over the intervening years that should not have died.

  • Anna N.

    Life is NOT sacred. Life dies every day. Death is part of the cycle. We kill flies and mosquitoes every day. The planet is currently vastly overpopulated with humans. As such, abortion should actually be encouraged.

  • John

    why not limit control to when the kids leave the home? why not until they are legally adults? where does it end? in some societies it was OK for a father to kill a misbehaving kid why don’t we allow for this also? I’m sorry you are using the law to draw a line in the sand about where you “feel” it is OK to kill another person, but that’s all you are doing. Once the fetus is viable, meaning able to remove from the womb, take control out of the hands of the stupid person that got pregnant, and decided months later to not be pregnant, and keep him/her alive in an incubator then it should be illegal to have the abortion unless the doctor is saving the mother’s life. Killing a human life to save yourself from the burden of labor is insane.

  • John

    That is just ridiculous. Why is it you automatically assume that we just want to control you. Did someone hurt you? Do you need counceling?

  • John

    AGREED!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Malita-Brown/1460858908 Malita Brown

    A fertilized egg is not a person any more than an acorn is an oak tree. Both have the potential to become the other but neither one IS the other. Would you prosecute a man for burning down a valuable forest when actually he raked up acorns in his yeard and burned the acorns. There is a difference between potential and actual. Would you want brain surgery done by a smart 4 year old who might one day be a brain surgeon ?

  • AJayne

    As with all personal decisions, the only one capable of making that decision is the one it will affect most directly. Women in general are neither careless nor casual about intense personal decisions. We can and should trust them.

  • jim

    personally i think if the gov. shouldn’t be involved in the abortion issue they shouldn’t be paying for it either!!

  • Mimi

    No matter how you put it, killing babies is wrong!

  • John

    Yes, which is the baby which cannot make the decision, so it should not be left up to the disturbed person that got pregnant.

  • Mike

    Of course there should be. Abortion is murder. Why murder needs to be “safe and legal” or a “a decision between a woman and her doctor” are ridiculous arguments. All children are welcome, all children are a gift. My heart aches for those who value life, including their own, so little enough that they feel it’s okay to kill it.

  • Mike

    Human life is sacred.

  • CAS

    I don’t know of any woman that would have an abortion where the fetus is 9 mos. Actually, once a woman feels the baby move inside of her, most women would continue with the pregnancy. I too, believe abortion should be private decision between the woman and her physician.

  • chris

    Please vote YES there should be restrictions on ripping a human baby apart limb from limb and crushing a human baby’s skull. As you may know abortion is a tool to depopulate countries to destabilize the economy to establish communism. Please see the 45 declared communist goals and the teachings out of the Frankfurt school in Nazi Germany. Please vote in thi
    s poll to voice your opposition to the racism of abortion. Hitler stated that he was using abortion to trick women into killing their own children because he did not want non-Germanic races to multiply, and he even used the propaganda term “woman’s health” to help achieve his pro-abortion agenda.

  • chris

    In 1942 Adolf Hitler declared:“In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman’s health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics. [79]”
    After World War II, the War Crimes Tribunal indicted ten Nazi leaders for “encouraging and compelling abortion,” which the tribunal considered a “crime against humanity.”[

  • chris

    The vast majority of scientific studies have shown that abortion causes an increase in breast cancer, including 16 out of 17 statistically significant studies.[35] “A new study coming from researchers in Sri Lanka finds women who had abortions … [had a] 3.42 [increased risk] … compared with those who kept their baby. … The Sri Lankan study is the fourth epidemiological study in fourteen months to report an abortion-breast cancer link, including studies from the U.S., China and Turkey.”[36] LifeNews also reported in 2009 that a National Cancer Instituteresearcher admitted there was a link between abortion and breast cancer.[37] Studies showing that abortion increases breast cancer predate the political controversy.[38] A study at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center published in 2009 confirmed a 40% increase in risk in breast cancer from abortion.[39][40] Yet the abortion industry conceals this increased risk, just as the tobacco industry concealed its cancer risk for decades.

  • chris

    Ultimately, this debate is about when a fetus becomes a human being worthy of all applicable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness under the Declaration of Independence, for once it is we should not take its life lightly. And when it comes to that, 18,150 abortions occur after the 21st week of pregnancy[5] – the earliest point children can be born prematurely and live.[6] An additional 45,980 abortions occur in the 16th-20th weeks of pregnancy.[5] These are 60 thousand abortions each year that are clearly murder, since the child is at or near the same stage of pregnancy as children born prematurely via C-Section. Furthermore, substantial fetal development occurs within the first 12 weeks (1st trimester) of pregnancy, including brain wave activity at 6 weeks, complete body sensitivity at 10 weeks, and all facial expressions (including smiling) at 11 weeks.[7] By not erring on the side of caution when potentially infringing on the inalienable right to life given by our Creator, the Pro-Choice movement has brought the blood of countless children on their hands, and on our nation’s. (See When Does Life Begin?)
    A growing body of evidence increasingly suggests that abortion is linked to Breast Cancer, later premature births, and other health concerns. Millions of women who had an abortion later suffer psychologically or physically from it, and support groups exist to help.[8] Many victims of abortion find healing by speaking out against, and discouraging, similar harm to other mothers and their children.[9]“Abortion doesn’t solve your problems, it only creates different ones,” warned a full-page ad by women who had abortions.[10] Abortion always ends the life of the unborn child, typically by dismemberment. Abortion increases the risk of breast cancer, future premature birth, mental illness, and other long-term health problems for the mother, as detailed below. (See Health Concerns)
    One of NARAL’s founders, Bernard Nathanson, acknowledged that NARAL in the early days of the Pro-Choice movement simply fabricated statistics on back-alley abortions; inflating the actual numbers ten-fold to get abortion legalized. Rather than making abortion rare, the annual number of abortions has increased 1500% since Roe v. Wade.[11] (See History) Gallup polling in 2012 reveals that just 24% of Americans support abortion after the first 12 weeks of pregnancy,[12] even though abortion is allowed in all 9 months. [13] Just 25% believe abortion should be legal under all circumstances, and an additional 13% believe it should be legal under most circumstances. Most Americans believe abortion should usually be illegal save in rare cases.[12] (See Public Opinion)
    Abortion in Poland declined by 99% after communism was overthrown (and abortion abolished[14]), and women’s health has dramatically improved there due to fewer abortions.[15]

  • Peter Ross

    I have been amazed that women would consider voting for Romney/Ryan. I’m glad you’re putting this front and center. The Romney-Ryan position is anti-womah and a great intrusion of the government into private matters. I believe there should be some restriction on late-term abortion, but certainly not before 20 weeks. As Colin Powell put it when asked “What a woman does with her body is her business, period.” That was shortly before the Republicans un-candidated him.

  • chris

    The Pro-Choice movement likes to say men and fathers should have no say in the abortion debate, only women. However, as Thomas J. Lucente Jr. points out, this is similar to saying one can’t criticize the President unless one is the President.“”The pro-abortion crowd will argue that because I am a man, I should not be allowed to have an opinion on abortion, unless, of course, I support the mass murder of 50 million babies in the last 39 years. That’s akin to saying I can’t criticize the president unless I have been the president.”
    -Thomas J. Lucente Jr.[4]”As Alan Keyes has pointed out, the Pro-Choice movement essentially is arguing for the baby’s rights to be dependent on the mother’s desire for it, making women slave-owners, essentially – this is very different from the Declaration of Independence which says the Creator gives us our unalienable rights, rather than them being dependent upon other people.[29]“”Either you can subscribe to the American creed which says that God endowed us with our rights, or you can subscribe to the abortion creed which says that those rights are the consequences of our mother’s will.”
    -Alan Keyes, speech at Southern Methodist University, Feb. 24, 1997.[30]”“”… abortion is to our time what slavery was to the 19th Century, and if anyone of conscience went anywhere in the 19th Century and did not confront the American people with the evil of slavery, then they were not doing what statesmanship required… Well, it’s a part of her body utterly dependent on her body, not viable apart from her body. She has, therefore, absolute power over this being, and given that absolute power she has the absolute right to dispose of it according to her will. We don’t recognize what that’s saying? What that’s saying is that power makes for right. Might makes for right. If I have you in my power, I may dispose of you and your life according to my will. And if that argument is now accepted, and we have embraced it as a fundamental principle of law, then we have rejected the right principle. For if our right, our most basic and conditional right, the right to life itself comes to us not from God but from our mother’s choice, then there is no human right that transcends in its claim, human choice and human power. Abortion is the paradigm, the ultimate paradigm of despotism, tyranny, oppression, slavery, holocaust.”
    -Alan Keyes, speech in San Francisco, March 3, 2003.[31]”Ultimately, every American has a responsibility to stand up for the rights of other Americans when they are being murdered – regardless of gender. And to say a mother should be able to murder her children whenever she feels like it, apart from the father’s opinions, is simply wrong.

  • chris

    The vast majority of scientific studies have shown that abortion causes an increase in breast cancer, including 16 out of 17 statistically significant studies.[35] “A new study coming from researchers in Sri Lanka finds women who had abortions … [had a] 3.42 [increased risk] … compared with those who kept their baby. … The Sri Lankan study is the fourth epidemiological study in fourteen months to report an abortion-breast cancer link, including studies from the U.S., China and Turkey.”[36] LifeNews also reported in 2009 that a National Cancer Instituteresearcher admitted there was a link between abortion and breast cancer.[37] Studies showing that abortion increases breast cancer predate the political controversy.[38] A study at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center published in 2009 confirmed a 40% increase in risk in breast cancer from abortion.[39][40] Yet the abortion industry conceals this increased risk, just as the tobacco industry concealed its cancer risk for decades.[41]
    Walk for Life rally
    A new study on breast cancer in Turkey published in April 2009 in the peer-reviewed World Journal of Surgical Oncology found, through a surveying process, that induced abortion was a statistically significant cause of breast cancer risk. The study concludes, “Our findings suggest that age and induced abortion were found to be significantly associated with increased breast cancer risk….”[42]
    Specifically, the study found that Turkish women who received one or more induced abortions had a 66% higher risk of breast cancer than women who never had an abortion.[43] [44]
    Dr. Janet Daling, who considers herself supportive of a right to perform abortions, brought the abortion-breast cancer link into the mainstream with her federally funded research on the topic. Her report, released in 1994, found a 50% increase in breast cancer risk due to induced abortion.[45][46] She said, “I have three sisters with breast cancer and I resent people messing with the scientific data to further their own agenda, be they pro-choice or pro-life. I would have loved to have found no association between breast cancer and abortion, but our research is rock solid and our data is accurate.”[47] Similarly, an early study published in Japan in 1957 showed that women who have abortions have a much higher risk of breast cancer than those who decide to keep their baby.[48]
    In a peer-reviewed medical journal, Karen Malec observed that:[35]
    Thirty-eight epidemiological studies exploring an independent link [between abortion and] breast cancer have been published. Twenty-nine report risk elevations. Thirteen out of 15 American studies found risk elevations. Seventeen studies are statistically significant, 16 of which report increased risk.
    Dr. Angela Lanfranchi, M.D., F.A.C.S., a specialist in breast cancer an a clinical assistant professor of surgery at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, has explained the physiology and epidemiology of the abortion-breast cancer link. She made the following observation:[49]
    This past August in Minneapolis, Patrick Carroll, director of the Pension and Population Research Institute of London, presented a paper to the largest gathering of statisticians in North America. He showed that abortion was the best predictor of breast cancer in Britain. Breast cancer is the only cancer in Britain which has its highest incidence and mortality rate among the upper rather than lower social classes. Abortion before a full term pregnancy and late pregnancy were the best explanations for this incidence. He also found that there had been a 70% increase risk of breast cancer between 1971 and 2002 and that for women between 50 and 54 years of age incidence was highly correlated with abortion.
    Demographic evidence of abortion causing breast cancer includes the following. Breast cancer rates are far lower in Western countries that prohibited abortion than in those that promoted it. Ireland, which virtually bans abortion, reportedly has a lifetime rate of breast cancer of only 1 in 13, nearly half the rate of 1 in 7.5 in the United States.[50] The rate of breast cancer increases steadily as one travels from Ireland, where abortion is illegal, to Northern Ireland, where abortion is legal but rare, to England, where abortion is common. [51]
    In Romania, abortion was illegal under two decades of rule by the dictator Nicolae Ceausescu, and the country enjoyed one of the lowest breast cancer rates in the entire world during that time, far lower than comparable Western countries. Romania’s breast cancer rate was an astounding one-sixth the rate of the United States.[52] But after the execution of Ceausescu on Christmas Day, 1989, Romania has taken the opposite approach, embracing abortion to the point that Romania now has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.[53] One Romanian observer decried, “The liberalization of abortions in Romania in 1990, the significant increase of the number of abortions at relatively short intervals, determined a rise in the incidence of breast and uterine cervix cancer in my country.”[54]
    Studies on rats, which are an accepted method for identifying causes of cancer in humans, further confirm that abortion does indeed increase the risk of breast cancer. As Dr. Joel Brind observed, “Researchers also widely admit to the biological plausibility of abortion as an independent cause of breast cancer, through the estrogen-mediated stimulation of breast growth in the absence of differentiation. This was demonstrated experimentally in rats in the landmark experiments of Russo and Russo.”[55] Additional scientific information on the abortion-breast cancer link is available at BCPInstitute.org.
    An expert (Dr. Lynn Rosenberg) hired to defend abortion felt compelled to admit, under cross-examination, that a woman increases her risk for breast cancer by having an abortion compared to carrying her pregnancy to childbirth:[56]
    Question by the attorney: ‘So in other words, a woman who finds herself pregnant at age 15 will have a higher breast cancer risk if she chooses to abort that pregnancy, than if she carries the pregnancy to term, [is that] correct?’
    Dr. Lynn Rosenberg: ‘Probably, yes.’
    Question: ‘Looking at that another way, let’s compare two women. Let’s say both got pregnant at age 15– one terminates the pregnancy, but the other carries the pregnancy to term. And both women go on to get married and have two kids, say, at age 30 and age 35. Is the risk of breast cancer higher for the woman who had an abortion at age 15 or the woman who had a baby at age 15, all other things being equal?’
    Dr. Lynn Rosenberg: ‘It’s probably higher for the one who had an abortion at age 15.’
    Despite the overwhelming evidence — and inescapable logic — for abortion increasing breast cancer, promoters of abortion cite flawed articles in an attempt to deny the link. The flaws in these articles are exposed in the Harvard abortion study and “Legal Implications of a Link Between Abortion and Breast Cancer” by Andrew Schlafly in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.[57]
    As Dr. Lanfranchi has explained:[58]
    Well-documented breast physiology accounts for the fact that oral contraceptives and abortion are risk factors for breast cancer. There is an effort to suppress this information by federal agencies and those in academic medicine. Without this information, women cannot make a fully informed choice about their method of fertility control or about whether to maintain an unplanned pregnancy. Medical ethics demands that they be informed.
    Pro-choice should include informed choice.[59] Yet efforts continue to suppress awareness that abortion increases breast cancer. Pro-life scientists were almost entirely barred from the National Cancer Institute’s “study” of the link, and its resulting statements were fatally flawed as explained in National Cancer Institute on Abortion.
    Just as organizations denied or failed to disclose the connection between smoking and lung cancer, many organizations aligned with liberalpoliticians deny the correlation between abortion and breast cancer despite numerous studies published in peer reviewed journals indicating a likely connection.

  • chris

    The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that:[66]“”While we find no reliable data to measure the phenomenon, it seems unexceptionable to conclude some women come to regret their choice to abort the infant life they once created and sustained. See Brief for Sandra Cano et al. as Amici Curiae in No. 05-380, pp 22-24. Severe depression and loss of esteem can follow.””A study published in the Southern Medical Journal observed that there are higher death rates associated with women who have abortion, and that these higher death rates persist over time and across socioeconomic boundaries.[67]
    In England, the “Royal College of Psychiatrists says women should not be allowed to have an abortion until they are counselled on the possible risk to their mental health.” The medical royal college warned that women who have abortions may be at risk of mental health problems.[68] A New Zealand study found that abortion in young women may be associated with increased risks of mental health problems.[69] The researcher in this study, who was not pro-life, was shaken by the study and had to go to four journals before he could find one who would publish it. [70]
    The study concludes with the following statement:“These findings are inconsistent with the current consensus on the psychological effects of abortion. In particular, in its 2005 statement on abortion, the American Psychological Association concluded that “well-designed studies of psychological responses following abortion have consistently shown that risk of psychological harm is low…the percentage of women who experience clinically relevant distress is small and appears to be no greater than in general samples of women of reproductive age” (American Psychological Association, 2005). This relatively strong conclusion about the absence of harm from abortion was based on a relatively small number of studies which had one or more of the following limitations: a) absence of comprehensive assessment of mental disorders; b) lack of comparison groups; and c) limited statistical controls. Furthermore, the statement appears to disregard the findings of a number of studies that had claimed to show negative effects for abortion (Cougle et al., 2003; Gissler et al., 1996; Reardon & Cougle, 2002). [70]”
    Professor David Fergusson, lead author of the New Zealand study stated:“It borders on scandalous that one of the most common surgical procedures performed on young women is so poorly researched and evaluated. If this were Prozac or Vioxx, reports of associated harm would be taken much more seriously with more careful research and monitoring procedures.” [71]”
    Another study published in the OB/GYN Survey detailed long-term physical and psychological health consequences of induced abortions.[72]
    Suicide rates among women who had abortions are six times higher than women who gave birth in the prior year. Overall, deaths from suicide, homicide and accidents were 248% higher after an abortion, as found by a 13-year study in Finland of its entire population.[73]
    In the United States, only one state (Missouri) requires that the abortionist have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of the abortion.[74] In the other 49 states, an abortion patient can and often is left without prompt medical care by the treating physician.
    One of the largest abortion providers in the United States, the Metropolitan Medical Associates of New Jersey, was shut down in 2007 by state health officials after one of its botched abortions left a 20-year-old woman in a coma for more than four weeks. She “became severely ill following the abortion and was transferred to Newark Beth Israel Medical Center where she needed blood transfusions and had her uterus removed. She also suffered a stroke due to the serious blood loss and had one of her lungs collapse.” The State of New Jersey had shut down the same facility in 1993 also.[75]

  • chris

    The Journal of Medical Ethics article declared concerning the atheist and sadist Marquis de Sade:“In 1795 the Marquis de Sade published his La Philosophic dans le boudoir, in which he proposed the use of induced abortion for social reasons and as a means of population control. It is from this time that medical and social acceptance of abortion can be dated, although previously the subject had not been discussed in public in modern times. It is suggested that it was largely due to de Sade’s writing that induced abortion received the impetus which resulted in its subsequent spread in western society.[77]”
    Population control is based on pseudoscience and ill founded economic assumptions. Depopulation is a tool used to establish fascist communist dictatorships, please read the 45 declared communist goals.

  • Peter Ross

    hey Chris — So what?

  • chris

    Bernard Nathanson, one of NARAL’s co-founders, described how he and the organization fabricated abortion statistics and used slogans to sway the public during the early days of Roe v. Wade. {{cquote|I remember laughing when we made those slogans up. We were looking for some sexy, catchy slogans to capture public opinion. They were very cynical slogans then, just as all of these slogans today are very, very cynical. We persuaded the media that the cause of permissive abortion was a liberal, enlightened, sophisticated one. Knowing that if a true poll were taken, we would be soundly defeated, we simply fabricated the results of fictional polls. We announced to the media that we had taken polls and that 60 percent of Americans were in favor of permissive abortion. We aroused enough sympathy to sell our program of permissive abortion by fabricating the number of illegal abortions done annually in the U.S. The actual figure was approaching 100,000, but the figure we gave to the media repeatedly was 1,000,000. Repeating the big lie often enough convinces the public. The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around 200-250 annually. The figure we constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false figures took root in the consciousness of Americans, convincing many that we needed to crack the abortion law. Another myth we fed to the public through the media was that legalizing abortion would only mean that the abortions taking place illegally would then be done legally. In fact, of course, abortion is now being used as a primary method of birth control in the U.S. and the annual number of abortions has increased by 1,500 percent since legalization.[

  • chris

    Forced abortion caused by China’s One-Child Policy leads to deaths of mothers[99], as well as “gendercide”.[100] Because men tend to be higher wage earners, many families choose to abort their female children, opting instead for males.[101] Photos in 2012 of these forced abortions led to national outrage and calls to end China’s One-Child Policy.[102] The sex-selective abortion policy has led to a huge gender disparity in China, 122.66 boys for every girl born, the highest ratio in the entire Asia Specific region[103], and resulted in 32 million single males.[104] Logically this is a driving force behind human trafficking, prostitution, and the female slave trade which occurs near China.[

  • Peter Ross

    I’m with Colin Powell. What a woman (or a man) does with their body is their business, period. The Government has no business intruding in that personal, private space. How come anti-big government republicans don’t get that?

  • chris

    While most Democrats support abortion, a growing number have been affiliating with Democrats For Life of America, also known as Pro-Life Democrats. ObamaCare in 2009-2010 would have passed rapidly if not for their influence, since Democrats had a Supermajority allowing them to pass anything without a single Republican vote. However, 40 Pro-Life Democrats, led by Congressman Bart Stupak signed a letter refusing to let ObamaCare pass without reforms on the abortion issue, and fought the bill from June 2009 to March 2010, in an attempt to add the Stupak Amendment to the bill (which was added to the House bill but removed in the Senate despite attempts by Sen. Ben Nelson to add it there as well).

  • chris

    About 80% of women who see an ultrasound of their fetus (unborn child) decide not to abort. http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/145703/abortion_foes_use_ultrasound__focus_on_the_family_budgets/

  • Just A. Thought

    Not finding in the Constitution the right for a woman to “terminate” her child in the womb in privacy, the 1973 Roe v. Wade court admitted there was no such right in the Constitution. But, not to worry. The justices sensed a “penumbra” (an astronomical term for a corona-like haze surrounding a planet when seen through a telescope) surrounding the Constitution — which in reality doesn’t actually exist — with which to justify and create such a “right” to settle a case based on the perjured testimony of “Jane Roe” and her handlers who testified she was pregnant when they knew she wasn’t. Further, Justice Harry Blackmun, author of the majority Roe v. Wade opinion, wrote that since various groups could not agree on the point at which human life begins, and technology wasn’t sufficiently advanced at the time to prove when it does, he would err on the side of legalizing abortion, with the caveat that if technology did develop that proved life begins at conception, then that “collapses” Roe v. Wade. Conversely, however, the 1973 Endangered Species Act levied substantial fines and jail sentences for anyone caught molesting an eagle egg, apparantly because there is a baby eagle in there from conception — no trimesters, no conjectures about the point of viability, no other machinations or scientific proof necessary, thank you. Blackmun also opined that humans in the womb have no rights because they aren’t “legal persons.” Apparently no one noticed that this was a re-legalization of the Supreme Court’s discredited legal personhood litmus test for equality voiced in their Dred Scott Decision of the late 1880s that declared enslaved Africans in America had no rights because they weren’t “legal persons.” In that President Obama’s former minister Jeremiah Wright called upon God to damn the US for its denial of personhood, this detested personhood decision haunts our country to this day. It seems counterintuitive that such an abhorrent injustice perpetrated against enslaved Africans on the plantation should be considered perfectly right and just when applied to African-Americans in the womb today. But the proof and the technology that didn’t exist when Blackmun wrote his decision came into being 11 years later with the advent of DNA profiling or fingerprinting, which proved that life begins at the point of conception — for humans, eagles and what have you — when the DNA in the sperm and the DNA in the egg instantly recombine, and a new life — be it human, eagle or what have you — is created (all men are created equal) with its own, unique DNA profile for life. Thus, DNA profiling has rendered Roe v. Wade outdated. Unfortunately to this date, however, DNA fingerprinting has been used to free the innocent from death sentences in every place of incarceration, except the womb. I guess that’s because, when it comes to abortion, too many Americans, like holocaust and moon landing deniers, prefer the fantasy of a non-existent haze around the Constitution over the technological proof that life begins at conception. Otherwise, the scientifically disproven and outdated Roe v. Wade decision would have “collapsed” by now.

  • chris

    Planned Parenthood likes to claim that abortion accounts for just 3% of its services.[93] However, an examination of its finances reveals that much if not most of its income relates to abortion.[94] According to Planned Parenthood’s 2007-08 budget, it received $1.038 billion of revenuefrom the following sources:[95]Revenue
    (millions) %Health Center Income$374.736.1%Govt. Grants & Services$349.633.7%Contributions & Requests$244.923.6%Other Operating Revenue$68.96.6%Total Revenue$1,038.1100.0%
    Planned Parenthood’s reported $374.7 million of revenue from “Health Center Income”. Given that it reported performing 305,130 abortions[96], at an average cost of $450 (which lines up with statistics from the National Abortion Federation[97]), approximately $137.4 million of that $374.7 million Health Center Income came directly from performing abortions per analysis by Live Action.[98]
    Since much of its money comes from Government Grants and Services or Contributions and Requests ($595.5 million) likely related to abortion, in addition to this $137.4 million of direct abortion revenue, it appears probable that as much as half to two-thirds of Planned Parenthood’s revenue relates to abortion.

  • Peter Ross

    Read the book “Freakonomics”. The authors purport to show that the decrease in street crime in New York had nothing to do with the Giuliani/Kelly police increase but instead was due to Roe v wade, which prevented children who would not be cared for from being born.
    When a republican comes out with a strong social agenda for what to do with these kids, I’ll listen.
    Until then, it’s hot air.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.elliott.9809 Joseph Elliott

    Obortion should not be paid for with tax dollars unless their was rape,incest or the womans life is in danger. I feel like I am paying to take a human life. Birth control should be a natural process or the woman should pay for it.

  • elena

    Well put.

  • chris

    A comprehensive review of literature, published in the British Journal of Psychiatry suggests that “there is a significant increase in mental health problems after abortion.”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/09/major_study_links_suicide_and_other_mental_health_problems_to_abortion.html

  • chris

    Currently, 50% of Americans describe themselves as Pro-Life, 41% describe themselves as Pro-Choice, and 4% as Mixed/Neither, as of the most recent poll (May 3-6, 2012). The percentage of Americans describing themselves as Pro-Life has varied from a low of 33% (Sept. 3-6, 1995) to a high of 51% (May 7-10, 2009). Gallup has polled the question 41 times since it began asking in 1995.

  • chris

    The study concludes with the following statement:“These findings are inconsistent with the current consensus on the psychological effects of abortion. In particular, in its 2005 statement on abortion, the American Psychological Association concluded that “well-designed studies of psychological responses following abortion have consistently shown that risk of psychological harm is low…the percentage of women who experience clinically relevant distress is small and appears to be no greater than in general samples of women of reproductive age” (American Psychological Association, 2005). This relatively strong conclusion about the absence of harm from abortion was based on a relatively small number of studies which had one or more of the following limitations: a) absence of comprehensive assessment of mental disorders; b) lack of comparison groups; and c) limited statistical controls. Furthermore, the statement appears to disregard the findings of a number of studies that had claimed to show negative effects for abortion (Cougle et al., 2003; Gissler et al., 1996; Reardon & Cougle, 2002). [

  • chris

    Professor David Fergusson, lead author of the New Zealand study stated:“It borders on scandalous that one of the most common surgical procedures performed on young women is so poorly researched and evaluated. If this were Prozac or Vioxx, reports of associated harm would be taken much more seriously with more careful research and monitoring procedures.” [

  • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.elliott.9809 Joseph Elliott

    I agre if she pays for it

  • chris

    Another study published in the OB/GYN Survey detailed long-term physical and psychological health consequences of induced abortions.[72]
    Suicide rates among women who had abortions are six times higher than women who gave birth in the prior year. Overall, deaths from suicide, homicide and accidents were 248% higher after an abortion, as found by a 13-year study in Finland of its entire population.[73]
    In the United States, only one state (Missouri) requires that the abortionist have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of the abortion.[74] In the other 49 states, an abortion patient can and often is left without prompt medical care by the treating physician.
    One of the largest abortion providers in the United States, the Metropolitan Medical Associates of New Jersey, was shut down in 2007 by state health officials after one of its botched abortions left a 20-year-old woman in a coma for more than four weeks. She “became severely ill following the abortion and was transferred to Newark Beth Israel Medical Center where she needed blood transfusions and had her uterus removed. She also suffered a stroke due to the serious blood loss and had one of her lungs collapse.” The State of New Jersey had shut down the same facility in 1993 also.[75]

  • Peter Ross

    Why do I have the feeling you’re not engaged in discussion?.
    Instead, it seems you’re passing on vast tracts of copied info that seems to support restricting abortions. It’s not scientifically impressive (I’m a scientist).
    Nobody is pro-abortion, and I am definitely pro-life.
    However, I believe women ought to have the right to choose what happens in their bodies over the government. And, over you. Thankfully, if they have the good sense to not vote for Romney/Ryan, there’s a good chance they’ll keep that right.

  • chris

    Please watch maafa 21 to learn how abortion is tied to nazism. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxLSX2ool3s

  • Eugene P. Corrigan, jr.

    Isn’t the reacton on this issue against denial of the free exercise of the citizen’s actions? Is the issue one which belongs in the public arena at all, one requiring treatment by law? Those who rail in favor of the woman’s “right” to end pregnancy actually seek an extension of her “right” to unrestricted intercourse by disposing of its consequence. No one appears to question the “right” of the female fetus to life. Where is its womanly choice? The question should not be a campaign issue, as it is not properly a governmental issue. The conscience of woman should dictate her actions; naturally and individually. Absent all the hoopla about “rights” and orgasm on demand, she will make the right choice. That is, to be a woman.

  • Peter Ross

    And, if they do vote for Romney Ryan or if they don’t vote, they will deserve the government they get. I’m very interested to see what American women will do.

  • Peter Ross

    I agree. Let women decide.

  • john

    Maafa21 is a movie that explains the ties between socialist
    fascism and eugenics as it relates to black genocide through
    abortion as a population reduction program. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxLSX2ool3s

  • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.elliott.9809 Joseph Elliott

    Use your own money to take a life, not mine

  • john

    Demographic Winter – This movie explains the decline of the
    human family and how population reduction is linked to
    economies. This is exactly what was what was taught at the
    Frankfurt school – to first de construct the United States
    government and the building blocks of society (the family, the
    church and population) and to then to install a socialist fascist
    government. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PjiMDMHGPU

  • Peter Ross

    If you’re really interested in this topic, I’d be happy to discuss it with you.

  • john

    This is a link to the film called the silent scream where to can see the baby scream as the baby is being ripped apart due to the inhumanity of abortion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iipPDUsojng

  • Peter Ross

    I get the feeling you’re not thinking.

  • bill

    they are deleting post so much for free speech, these pro abortion killers are communists and will not allow both positions if you are informed to what abortion really is which is murder.

  • jim

    fascists on PBS are deleting posts of those who are pro-life, liberals are fascists who deny the free speech of those who wish to defend the baby in the womb through their choice. they will not allow us to comment

  • jim

    They want uniform girls going to these death camps and tricking them to kill their children

  • kim

    About 80% of women who see an ultrasound of their fetus (unborn child) decide not to abort. http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/145703/abortion_foes_use_ultrasound__focus_on_the_family_budgets/

  • kate

    do these girl know abortion causes breast cancer? Abortion and Breast Cancer
    The vast majority of scientific studies have shown that abortion causes an increase in breast cancer, including 16 out of 17 statistically significant studies.[35] “A new study coming from researchers in Sri Lanka finds women who had abortions … [had a] 3.42 [increased risk] … compared with those who kept their baby. … The Sri Lankan study is the fourth epidemiological study in fourteen months to report an abortion-breast cancer link, including studies from the U.S., China and Turkey.”[36] LifeNews also reported in 2009 that a National Cancer Instituteresearcher admitted there was a link between abortion and breast cancer.[37] Studies showing that abortion increases breast cancer predate the political controversy.[38] A study at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center published in 2009 confirmed a 40% increase in risk in breast cancer from abortion.[39][40] Yet the abortion industry conceals this increased risk, just as the tobacco industry concealed its cancer risk for decades.[41]
    Walk for Life rally
    A new study on breast cancer in Turkey published in April 2009 in the peer-reviewed World Journal of Surgical Oncology found, through a surveying process, that induced abortion was a statistically significant cause of breast cancer risk. The study concludes, “Our findings suggest that age and induced abortion were found to be significantly associated with increased breast cancer risk….”[42]
    Specifically, the study found that Turkish women who received one or more induced abortions had a 66% higher risk of breast cancer than women who never had an abortion.[43] [44]
    Dr. Janet Daling, who considers herself supportive of a right to perform abortions, brought the abortion-breast cancer link into the mainstream with her federally funded research on the topic. Her report, released in 1994, found a 50% increase in breast cancer risk due to induced abortion.[45][46] She said, “I have three sisters with breast cancer and I resent people messing with the scientific data to further their own agenda, be they pro-choice or pro-life. I would have loved to have found no association between breast cancer and abortion, but our research is rock solid and our data is accurate.”[47] Similarly, an early study published in Japan in 1957 showed that women who have abortions have a much higher risk of breast cancer than those who decide to keep their baby.[48]
    In a peer-reviewed medical journal, Karen Malec observed that:[35]
    Thirty-eight epidemiological studies exploring an independent link [between abortion and] breast cancer have been published. Twenty-nine report risk elevations. Thirteen out of 15 American studies found risk elevations. Seventeen studies are statistically significant, 16 of which report increased risk.
    Dr. Angela Lanfranchi, M.D., F.A.C.S., a specialist in breast cancer an a clinical assistant professor of surgery at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School, has explained the physiology and epidemiology of the abortion-breast cancer link. She made the following observation:[49]
    This past August in Minneapolis, Patrick Carroll, director of the Pension and Population Research Institute of London, presented a paper to the largest gathering of statisticians in North America. He showed that abortion was the best predictor of breast cancer in Britain. Breast cancer is the only cancer in Britain which has its highest incidence and mortality rate among the upper rather than lower social classes. Abortion before a full term pregnancy and late pregnancy were the best explanations for this incidence. He also found that there had been a 70% increase risk of breast cancer between 1971 and 2002 and that for women between 50 and 54 years of age incidence was highly correlated with abortion.
    Demographic evidence of abortion causing breast cancer includes the following. Breast cancer rates are far lower in Western countries that prohibited abortion than in those that promoted it. Ireland, which virtually bans abortion, reportedly has a lifetime rate of breast cancer of only 1 in 13, nearly half the rate of 1 in 7.5 in the United States.[50] The rate of breast cancer increases steadily as one travels from Ireland, where abortion is illegal, to Northern Ireland, where abortion is legal but rare, to England, where abortion is common. [51]
    In Romania, abortion was illegal under two decades of rule by the dictator Nicolae Ceausescu, and the country enjoyed one of the lowest breast cancer rates in the entire world during that time, far lower than comparable Western countries. Romania’s breast cancer rate was an astounding one-sixth the rate of the United States.[52] But after the execution of Ceausescu on Christmas Day, 1989, Romania has taken the opposite approach, embracing abortion to the point that Romania now has one of the highest abortion rates in the world.[53] One Romanian observer decried, “The liberalization of abortions in Romania in 1990, the significant increase of the number of abortions at relatively short intervals, determined a rise in the incidence of breast and uterine cervix cancer in my country.”[54]
    Studies on rats, which are an accepted method for identifying causes of cancer in humans, further confirm that abortion does indeed increase the risk of breast cancer. As Dr. Joel Brind observed, “Researchers also widely admit to the biological plausibility of abortion as an independent cause of breast cancer, through the estrogen-mediated stimulation of breast growth in the absence of differentiation. This was demonstrated experimentally in rats in the landmark experiments of Russo and Russo.”[55] Additional scientific information on the abortion-breast cancer link is available at BCPInstitute.org.
    An expert (Dr. Lynn Rosenberg) hired to defend abortion felt compelled to admit, under cross-examination, that a woman increases her risk for breast cancer by having an abortion compared to carrying her pregnancy to childbirth:[56]
    Question by the attorney: ‘So in other words, a woman who finds herself pregnant at age 15 will have a higher breast cancer risk if she chooses to abort that pregnancy, than if she carries the pregnancy to term, [is that] correct?’
    Dr. Lynn Rosenberg: ‘Probably, yes.’
    Question: ‘Looking at that another way, let’s compare two women. Let’s say both got pregnant at age 15– one terminates the pregnancy, but the other carries the pregnancy to term. And both women go on to get married and have two kids, say, at age 30 and age 35. Is the risk of breast cancer higher for the woman who had an abortion at age 15 or the woman who had a baby at age 15, all other things being equal?’
    Dr. Lynn Rosenberg: ‘It’s probably higher for the one who had an abortion at age 15.’
    Despite the overwhelming evidence — and inescapable logic — for abortion increasing breast cancer, promoters of abortion cite flawed articles in an attempt to deny the link. The flaws in these articles are exposed in the Harvard abortion study and “Legal Implications of a Link Between Abortion and Breast Cancer” by Andrew Schlafly in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.[57]
    As Dr. Lanfranchi has explained:[58]
    Well-documented breast physiology accounts for the fact that oral contraceptives and abortion are risk factors for breast cancer. There is an effort to suppress this information by federal agencies and those in academic medicine. Without this information, women cannot make a fully informed choice about their method of fertility control or about whether to maintain an unplanned pregnancy. Medical ethics demands that they be informed.
    Pro-choice should include informed choice.[59] Yet efforts continue to suppress awareness that abortion increases breast cancer. Pro-life scientists were almost entirely barred from the National Cancer Institute’s “study” of the link, and its resulting statements were fatally flawed as explained in National Cancer Institute on Abortion.
    Just as organizations denied or failed to disclose the connection between smoking and lung cancer, many organizations aligned with liberalpoliticians deny the correlation between abortion and breast cancer despite numerous studies published in peer reviewed journals indicating a likely connection.

  • life

    do they know abortion causes Abortion Causes Future Harm with Premature Births
    “At least 49 studies have demonstrated a statistically significant increase in premature births (PB) or low birth weight (LBW) risk in women with prior induced abortions (IAs).”[60] Premature birth tragically causes brain damage, and an array of other severe, lifelong injuries ranging from Cerebral Palsy to blindness, or even death, and few mothers would knowingly increase the risk of that happening. “There are at least seventeen (17) studies that have found that previous induced abortions increase preterm birth risk” and thereby increase debilitating Cerebral Palsy in children.”[61]
    In 2008, the generally pro-abortion British medical journal, The Lancet, admitted that a procedure often used in abortion increase the risk of premature birth:[62]
    “For example, greater public and professional awareness of evidence that repeated uterine instrumentation–eg, uterine curettage or endometrial biopsy–is associated with increased risk of subsequent preterm birth might over time influence decision-making about the procedure.”
    Researchers Rooney and Calhoun observed:[62]
    Large studies have reported a doubling of [early premature birth] EPB risk from two prior IAs. Women who had four or more IAs experienced, on average, nine times the risk of [extremely early premature births] XPB, an increase of 800 percent. These results suggest that women contemplating IA should be informed of this potential risk to subsequent pregnancies, and that physicians should be aware of the potential liability and possible need for intensified prenatal care.
    Demographic evidence of how abortion increases premature birth includes the following:
    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC): “[T]he abortion rate for black women has been approximately three times as high as that for white women (range: 2.6–3.1) since 1991″[63]Science Daily’s report on a study by the Washington University School of Medicine: “African-American women are three times more likely to deliver babies three to 17 weeks prematurely than Caucasian women”[64]
    In 2002 an article entitled “Preterm Birth: A Continuing Challenge” noted that premature births are abnormally high in the United States, citing a study that observed that a previous abortion is a “risk factor for both infertility and preterm birth.”[65]
    The rate of premature birth is elevated by the same amount as the abortion rate, as expected if abortion increases the risk of premature birth.

  • jen

    they censor speech they deleted pro-lifes posts why not talk about Other Health Risks from Abortion
    The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that:[66]“”While we find no reliable data to measure the phenomenon, it seems unexceptionable to conclude some women come to regret their choice to abort the infant life they once created and sustained. See Brief for Sandra Cano et al. as Amici Curiae in No. 05-380, pp 22-24. Severe depression and loss of esteem can follow.””A study published in the Southern Medical Journal observed that there are higher death rates associated with women who have abortion, and that these higher death rates persist over time and across socioeconomic boundaries.[67]
    In England, the “Royal College of Psychiatrists says women should not be allowed to have an abortion until they are counselled on the possible risk to their mental health.” The medical royal college warned that women who have abortions may be at risk of mental health problems.[68] A New Zealand study found that abortion in young women may be associated with increased risks of mental health problems.[69] The researcher in this study, who was not pro-life, was shaken by the study and had to go to four journals before he could find one who would publish it. [70]
    The study concludes with the following statement:“These findings are inconsistent with the current consensus on the psychological effects of abortion. In particular, in its 2005 statement on abortion, the American Psychological Association concluded that “well-designed studies of psychological responses following abortion have consistently shown that risk of psychological harm is low…the percentage of women who experience clinically relevant distress is small and appears to be no greater than in general samples of women of reproductive age” (American Psychological Association, 2005). This relatively strong conclusion about the absence of harm from abortion was based on a relatively small number of studies which had one or more of the following limitations: a) absence of comprehensive assessment of mental disorders; b) lack of comparison groups; and c) limited statistical controls. Furthermore, the statement appears to disregard the findings of a number of studies that had claimed to show negative effects for abortion (Cougle et al., 2003; Gissler et al., 1996; Reardon & Cougle, 2002). [70]”
    Professor David Fergusson, lead author of the New Zealand study stated:“It borders on scandalous that one of the most common surgical procedures performed on young women is so poorly researched and evaluated. If this were Prozac or Vioxx, reports of associated harm would be taken much more seriously with more careful research and monitoring procedures.” [71]”
    Another study published in the OB/GYN Survey detailed long-term physical and psychological health consequences of induced abortions.[72]
    Suicide rates among women who had abortions are six times higher than women who gave birth in the prior year. Overall, deaths from suicide, homicide and accidents were 248% higher after an abortion, as found by a 13-year study in Finland of its entire population.[73]
    In the United States, only one state (Missouri) requires that the abortionist have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of the abortion.[74] In the other 49 states, an abortion patient can and often is left without prompt medical care by the treating physician.
    One of the largest abortion providers in the United States, the Metropolitan Medical Associates of New Jersey, was shut down in 2007 by state health officials after one of its botched abortions left a 20-year-old woman in a coma for more than four weeks. She “became severely ill following the abortion and was transferred to Newark Beth Israel Medical Center where she needed blood transfusions and had her uterus removed. She also suffered a stroke due to the serious blood loss and had one of her lungs collapse.” The State of New Jersey had shut down the same facility in 1993 also.[75]

  • henry

    is this true if the girl is not informed, did you know ‎In 1942 Adolf Hitler declared:“In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman’s health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics. [79]”
    After World War II, the War Crimes Tribunal indicted ten Nazi leaders for “encouraging and compelling abortion,” which the tribunal considered a “crime against humanity.”

  • Anonymous

    One of the things non-Americans note about the abortion “conversation” when it gets political is that American politicians sip their own Kool Aid a little too liberally. I.e., America is the greatest country in the world; therefore, America has nothing to learn from other countries (by definition more primitive than the US).

    However, Canada doesn’t have any abortion laws — for or against — and the sky isn’t falling. Yes, every so often (not coincidentally, during an American election season) the Alberta evangelicals who currently populate our Parliament erupt in a fit of religious hysteria (as they did this week) demanding another “debate” on the issue. And a poll of parliamentarians gets taken and decisively shuts down the “debate” before it gets started (as happened this week).

    Last time the hysteria erupted I did some surfing around and discovered that statistically Canada’s abortion rate is much lower than in the US, and the majority of abortions occur in the first trimester; abortions in the third trimester are statistically zero. Apparently, 80 percent of fertile Canadian women use or have used effective birth control, whereas the American statistic is somewhere in the 60 percentile range, largely because of the low rate of contraceptive use in several of the southern states, where sex-ed is considered a scandal and chastity is (as in most devout Christian sects) the highest virtue. Sorry, I can’t remember the website — Canadian Status of Women, I think.

    Our statistics probably have something to do with the wide availability of birth control in Canada, and that it is — relative to the US — inexpensive. (Most drugs in Canada are vastly cheaper in Canada because of our Medicare system, which makes negotiating with drug companies possible — and, of course, because we aren’t paying for vast pharmaceutical television ad campaigns. Yet).

    Americans also seem to be overly hung up on the ideology of individualism — an ideology that cannot take into account the fact that a pregnant person is neither one individual nor two. She is her SELF. She should therefore enjoy the same rights as every other American SELF does.

    The hardline in the US almost certainly arises out of the fact that Christianity has been grounded in humanism from its beginnings (its theology was developed
    in late antiquity when the whole of the known world was Hellenized), and
    the US has a much bigger hard-right Christian community than Canada
    does. I think if American women have to fight — again — for their reproductive rights, they should ground their argument in the constitutional right to freedom of religion.

  • sue

    abortion is murder, the baby is alive did you know Bernard Nathanson, one of NARAL’s co-founders, described how he and the organization fabricated abortion statistics and used slogans to sway the public during the early days of Roe v. Wade. {{cquote|I remember laughing when we made those slogans up. We were looking for some sexy, catchy slogans to capture public opinion. They were very cynical slogans then, just as all of these slogans today are very, very cynical. We persuaded the media that the cause of permissive abortion was a liberal, enlightened, sophisticated one. Knowing that if a true poll were taken, we would be soundly defeated, we simply fabricated the results of fictional polls. We announced to the media that we had taken polls and that 60 percent of Americans were in favor of permissive abortion. We aroused enough sympathy to sell our program of permissive abortion by fabricating the number of illegal abortions done annually in the U.S. The actual figure was approaching 100,000, but the figure we gave to the media repeatedly was 1,000,000. Repeating the big lie often enough convinces the public. The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around 200-250 annually. The figure we constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false figures took root in the consciousness of Americans, convincing many that we needed to crack the abortion law. Another myth we fed to the public through the media was that legalizing abortion would only mean that the abortions taking place illegally would then be done legally. In fact, of course, abortion is now being used as a primary method of birth control in the U.S. and the annual number of abortions has increased by 1,500 percent since legalization.

  • china girl

    yet government force abortions on free willed people who do not want to have abortions the government should not be allowed to do this, Forced abortion caused by China’s One-Child Policy leads to deaths of mothers[99], as well as “gendercide”.[100] Because men tend to be higher wage earners, many families choose to abort their female children, opting instead for males.[101] Photos in 2012 of these forced abortions led to national outrage and calls to end China’s One-Child Policy.[102] The sex-selective abortion policy has led to a huge gender disparity in China, 122.66 boys for every girl born, the highest ratio in the entire Asia Specific region[103], and resulted in 32 million single males.[104] Logically this is a driving force behind human trafficking, prostitution, and the female slave trade which occurs near China.

  • kate

    The Pro-Choice movement likes to say men and fathers should have no say in the abortion debate, only women. However, as Thomas J. Lucente Jr. points out, this is similar to saying one can’t criticize the President unless one is the President.“”The pro-abortion crowd will argue that because I am a man, I should not be allowed to have an opinion on abortion, unless, of course, I support the mass murder of 50 million babies in the last 39 years. That’s akin to saying I can’t criticize the president unless I have been the president.”
    -Thomas J. Lucente Jr.[4]”As Alan Keyes has pointed out, the Pro-Choice movement essentially is arguing for the baby’s rights to be dependent on the mother’s desire for it, making women slave-owners, essentially – this is very different from the Declaration of Independence which says the Creator gives us our unalienable rights, rather than them being dependent upon other people.[29]“”Either you can subscribe to the American creed which says that God endowed us with our rights, or you can subscribe to the abortion creed which says that those rights are the consequences of our mother’s will.”
    -Alan Keyes, speech at Southern Methodist University, Feb. 24, 1997.[30]”“”… abortion is to our time what slavery was to the 19th Century, and if anyone of conscience went anywhere in the 19th Century and did not confront the American people with the evil of slavery, then they were not doing what statesmanship required… Well, it’s a part of her body utterly dependent on her body, not viable apart from her body. She has, therefore, absolute power over this being, and given that absolute power she has the absolute right to dispose of it according to her will. We don’t recognize what that’s saying? What that’s saying is that power makes for right. Might makes for right. If I have you in my power, I may dispose of you and your life according to my will. And if that argument is now accepted, and we have embraced it as a fundamental principle of law, then we have rejected the right principle. For if our right, our most basic and conditional right, the right to life itself comes to us not from God but from our mother’s choice, then there is no human right that transcends in its claim, human choice and human power. Abortion is the paradigm, the ultimate paradigm of despotism, tyranny, oppression, slavery, holocaust.”
    -Alan Keyes, speech in San Francisco, March 3, 2003.[31]”Ultimately, every American has a responsibility to stand up for the rights of other Americans when they are being murdered – regardless of gender. And to say a mother should be able to murder her children whenever she feels like it, apart from the father’s opinions, is simply wrong.

  • china girls

    9 month abortion happens all the time in China

  • truthisabortionismurder

    Maafa 21: Black Genocide in 21st Century America is a 2009 pro-life documentary film which draws a connection between the targeting of African Americans by the eugenicsmovement in the United States in the 19th and 20th centuries, and the modern-day prevalence of abortion among African Americans. The film argues that abortion is an attempted genocide or maafa of black people, and has been so since the 19th century.
    The film has been praised by pro-life activists and condemned by historical scholars, pro-choice activists, and other writers, particularly in light of its unfavorable depiction of Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger, to whom it attributes racist and genocidal positions. Pro-life activists have said that the film is an exposé of the racism of abortion in modern times, and that Planned Parenthood is especially racist.

  • Old Hippie

    Pro-lifers have the right to their personal feelings & beliefs, however, they do not have the right to impose those beliefs on others, yet they continue to try to do that going so far as to kill! How is killing someone considered “pro-live?” We have religious freedom in this country-why can’t we have freedom of health care-freedom to make our own individual decisions about our bodies? Politics in this country are polluted with money & greed. Every voter should read Mike Lofgren’s book, “The Party Is Over.” Excellent! I love the chapter on vocabulary!

  • Sylvia

    If men had babies we wouldn’t be having this dicussion. Since it takes two to create a pregnancy, perhaps there would be fewer abortions if 1. contraception was always used, 2. should conception happen in spite of protections used, the male partner
    accepted his responsibility to be an equal partner in caring for a child so it wasn’t all on the woman. and 3. more education about the high costs, trials, hardships and joys of parenthood. Babies are viable at birth and need total care and love. Until women and their male partners are mature enough for the seriousious of having a baby, there should be readily available a form of birthcontrol to suit each person. Abortion should always remain an option, but prevention should be utilized first. And I would include abstainence along with all the available means of preventing pregnancy: condoms, hormone pills, injections, IUDS, until a child is planned for and wanted, and there is a degree of financial stability for successful parenting.
    Until rape, coersion, sexual assult and poor preparation in pregnancy prevention, abortion will continue to be a part of our society’s values. And it is a decision that should be made by the woman with her doctor or/and other counsel as desired.
    Their should be no government interference.

  • Amy

    Ending the life of an innocent person is ending the life of an innocent person, whether this person is living in his or her mother’s womb or has been born and is living in the world. Science tells us that an embryo/fetus/developing baby is 1 – human, 2 – a separate organism with its own DNA, gender and blood type which simply requires the environment of his/her mother’s womb to develop, and 3 – living, as evidenced by cell respiration and division, the development of body structures and organs, and growth over time. So if an embryo/fetus is a living human which is distinct from his/her mother because s/he has half of the mother’s chromosomes and half of the father’s chromosomes, the legitimate question to ask is this – When is it acceptable to kill an innocent human person? We have laws against almost any other way or circumstance of killing an INNOCENT person – there are laws which of course allow for self-defense against an attacker or threat of danger.

  • Protest MoveOn

    Abortion is NOT health care and can NEVER be morally justified.

  • lifelibertypursuitofhappiness

    It’s not between her and her doctor when there is a third life involved….
    I don’t think that this is a relativistic opinion….you think what you want to and others can hold different opinions and we all need to respect each other….that just doesn’t hold for taking another life. Hey, the law protects even the eggs and young embryos of EAGLES, because the law recognizes that the eagle embryos will become a full grown eagle once they hatch out of the egg. Have our selfish interests blinded us so badly to the injustice done to our own children? Slavery was acceptable in our country….legal….but WRONG and unjust. Just because abortion on demand is legal doesn’t make it right or just.

  • Rand_Nathan

    I believe that abortion should be MANDATORY. All pregnancies should be terminated unless the parents, whether married or not, can prove they possess the wherewithal to put the child through college AND buy it a Corvette automobile. The enemy of the earth is humanity and any and all means employed to reduce the human population is justified. I wish I had been aborted or given the bus fare to visit “the youth in Asia” before now (I’ll be 62 on October 24th). Maybe for my birthday present to myself, I’ll commit suicide.

  • RDRO

    Row vs Wade will stand so I guess I have to vote No BUT being PRO-LIFE I personally feel it’s WRONG, so then I should vote Yes. The question or objection I HAVE as to the current standing is I don’t care what others decide (they’re the ones that have to live with the decison) BUT I DO NOT want to be forced to pay for that choice to murder an unborn child — NO WAY NO HOW! If Governemnt is supposed to get out of the way to allow women to make the choice then they also need to get out of the way and let it be financed by Private organizations that have no objections to abortion. Don’t take my tax dollars to support something so personal that I see in a far different light.

  • BG

    Abortion is a difficult decision to make under any circumstances and I have never met a woman who found it in any way other than “gut wrenching”. I read and hear people making light of it, as if women in this position are unaware of the consequences. “Marching them into death camps to ‘kill’ their children.” Really? Do you hear yourself? This situation can always be made more difficult, particularly if one is alone, poor, or faced with some other truly rotten situation- but it can never be made ‘easy’. In fact, in order for her to be here, other systems have already failed her. It is wrong for politicians to make it more difficult than it already is.

  • Midwest

    Hurray for Reductio ad Hitlerum

  • JV

    What I find so discouraging about the abortion debate is
    that people of strong moral character who believe that murder, killing
    (sometimes including our fellow animals), war and even capital punishment are
    morally wrong, think that abortion is a perfectly acceptable option. In
    war and when we choose as a society that killing is necessary (e.g. capital
    punishment) it is important to dehumanize the target (ever taught of a
    murderous criminal as an animal or monster and enemies as evil). So people
    who accept science and believe evolution to be very viable theory (I’m in this
    group), think that a human is not a human until it’s born? This seems to me to be an ignorant, primitive anti-science
    notion, one of denial and dehumanization.

    In R-V-W one of the legal arguments
    that allowed abortion is that the law does not acknowledge a person until
    they’re born. In at least a few vehicular
    related accidents here in Colorado
    a pregnant women lost her unborn child and I know for myself and these mothers (and
    perhaps some of you ‘moral’ folks) that not being able to charge the rogue
    driver with at least vehicular homicide is disappointing. Yet efforts to pass person-hood laws and/or
    amendments have continued to be soundly defeated, because that might impede our
    free willing rights to abortion.

    Recently the Taliban executed
    around 27 people in southern Afghanistan
    for dancing, drinking and other immoral acts (my interpretation, having a party
    and having fun). I thought what crazy
    moral baseline allows for murder as punishment for simply having fun. Here in the US, however if a heterosexual couple
    has some spontaneous (or not) sexual liaison without using any preventive
    measure and it results in an unwanted pregnancy, the female simply has a
    medical procedure called an abortion.
    Fun then death, maybe we and the Taliban are not so different.

    Abortion smacks
    of infanticide, ironically of female gender genocide, and with advances in
    genetics, eugenics and I’m still sure many of you very moral people still believe
    it to be a personal private and maybe even ‘moral’ decision.

  • pickle

    just one question for all those people arguing for womens rights:
    those people claim to fight and stand up for womens right to decide what is right for their physical and mental well being. that centers around the right to abort unwanted pregnancies, because it should be the women choice due to it being again her physical person thus no concerning matter of the government.
    so my question….
    should women then not under that same notion of her physical person thus her decision apply to the right to decide to sell her physical person for monitary profit? how can you be pro-choice to justify the “termination” of life but claim prositution illegal and a matter for government intervention?
    shouldnt women have the right to decide if that is in their best for their well being because it is their body?

  • Voice for the Voiceless

    All life is sacred! Pro Life from conception to death choose LIFE! I am against abortion no exceptions!

  • Teyla

    it should be restricted because its never okay to murder a human

  • pickle

    Quite frankly it is insulting that individuals are still consumed with allowing the continuation of mass murder, murder funded by taxpayers & not the irresponsible woman.

    women & men, since no one wants to discuss male rights-( takes 2 remember)- now have access to: condoms, spermicide, birth control pills, birth control shots, the patch, several iuds, “morning after pill”, sterilization, & most of all abstinence!!

    I believe woman do have rights: the right to to decide to take the risk of pregnancy if they chose to engage in intercourse!
    I believe women have the right to a proper education since apparently most fail to realize that choosing to engage in intercourse often results in pregnancy!

    i also believe we have to preserve our future and to do so people need to face the consequences of their actions.
    we raise our children with that belief; yet we do not expect supposedly mature educated adults to adhere to those same principles.
    no wonder morality is almost non existent.

    as to woman having rights to good health care i say: there is insurance, clinics, state funded programs, organized mammogram mobiles, and many programs that one can discover if they ask or seek advice.

    you want to discuss medical care and medical rights how about you focus on how insurance companies deny customers doctor issued medicine!
    the financial burden that puts on individuals & the worsened medical condition that result from individuals not receiving the medicine they need because they can not afford it and insurance denied it.
    why is no one arguing these issues or is the murder of innocent babies and thus generations of people more important & all because someone failed to be responsible!!!!

    just one question for all those people arguing for womens rights:
    those people claim to fight and stand up for womens right to decide what is right for their physical and mental well being. that centers around the right to abort unwanted pregnancies, because it should be the women choice due to it being again her physical person thus no concerning matter of the government.
    so my question….
    should women then not under that same notion of her physical person thus her decision apply to the right to decide to sell her physical person for monitary profit? how can you be pro-choice to justify the “termination” of life but claim prositution illegal and a matter for government intervention?
    shouldnt women have the right to decide if that is best for their well being because it is their body?

    if people are truly concerned for womans rights should they not be fighting for all womans rights & not merely those of their chosing?

  • Grieving Granny

    Abortion always stops a beating heart, so it is murder.

  • dj silcott

    Im a proud liberal who will always vote against abortion.

  • C.J.

    All LIFE should be respected,defended, and protected from the WOMB to the TOMB!!!

  • Terri Everett

    K..what’s up with this…votes for restrictions don’t seem to be being counted. If you’re going to do a poll, why can’t you at lease do an honest one?

  • Grieving Granny

    And in Victoria, Australia

  • http://www.facebook.com/marty.mark.14 Marty Mark

    really its a private matter tell that to jesus when you see him and he give you an account of your life

  • I’mOnToYou

    Are you guys also in charge of the Romney/Obama polling? Seems you’re making up your own numbers here to skew it in favor of abortion. That would be SUCH a shame! Just to make it fair, exactly how many people have to vote ‘yes’ before it counts as 1 ‘yes’ vote?

  • JUDY ALCIATORE

    THE KILLING OF THE INNOCENT UNBORN AND NEWBORN BABIES HAS GOT TO STOP. WE ARE DESTROYING OUR FUTURE.

  • Grieving Granny

    Abortion stops a beating heart.

  • pickle

    Quite frankly it is insulting that individuals are still consumed with allowing the continuation of mass murder, murder funded by taxpayers & not the irresponsible woman.

    women & men, since no one wants to discuss male rights-( takes 2 remember)- now have access to: condoms, spermicide, birth control pills, birth control shots, the patch, several iuds, “morning after pill”, sterilization, & most of all abstinence!!

    I believe woman do have rights: the right to to decide to take the risk of pregnancy if they chose to engage in intercourse!
    I believe women have the right to a proper education since apparently most fail to realize that choosing to engage in intercourse often results in pregnancy!

    i also believe we have to preserve our future and to do so people need to face the consequences of their actions.
    we raise our children with that belief; yet we do not expect supposedly mature educated adults to adhere to those same principles.
    no wonder morality is almost non existent.

    as to woman having rights to good health care i say: there is insurance, clinics, state funded programs, organized mammogram mobiles, and many programs that one can discover if they ask or seek advice.

    you want to discuss medical care and medical rights how about you focus on how insurance companies deny customers doctor issued medicine!
    the financial burden that puts on individuals & the worsened medical condition that result from individuals not receiving the medicine they need because they can not afford it and insurance denied it.
    why is no one arguing these issues or is the murder of innocent babies and thus generations of people more important & all because someone failed to be responsible!!!!

    just one question for all those people arguing for womens rights:
    those people claim to fight and stand up for womens right to decide what is right for their physical and mental well being. that centers around the right to abort unwanted pregnancies, because it should be the women choice due to it being again her physical person thus no concerning matter of the government.
    so my question….
    should women then not under that same notion of her physical person thus her decision apply to the right to decide to sell her physical person for monitary profit? how can you be pro-choice to justify the “termination” of life but claim prositution illegal and a matter for government intervention?
    shouldnt women have the right to decide if that is best for their well being because it is their body?

    what of sterilization only being allowed if the woman is 25 yrs of age or had at least 2 children? how can womens right fighters ignore that this too should not be enforced by the government!!
    should it not be the women’s choice due to it being her physical person thus no concerning matter of the government?

    if people are truly concerned for womans rights should they not be fighting for all womans rights & not merely those of their chosing?

  • Kenneth H

    Hey PBS. Why don’t you have an option for against abortion with NO exceptions? Your pro abort bias is showing.

  • I’mOnToYou

    I don’t think that many people realize that, even taking the birth control pill can cause you to have an abortion. Abortion isn’t always going in to a clinic and handing over money. Education is key here, but, moreover, abstinence is key. You cannot compare a human child to an acorn… an acorn does not have a soul and does not feel pain like the human child does when he/she is ripped from his/her mother’s womb.

  • Simple Simon

    What do you mean by restrictions? That could be anything from having to buy a permit, to having to place an “I love Planned Parenthood” bumper sticker on your car. What good is this poll?

  • voice for the voiceless

    There should be the option on this poll to vote that abortion should be illegal NO EXCEPTIONS

  • http://www.facebook.com/ruth.austinikramov Ruth Austin Ikramov

    I believe it should only be an OPTION for anyone involved with a rape or incest pregnancy or if it is a matter of life or death for the woman. If you do not have restrictions I feel women would over use it as a method of birth control. If you are not responsible enough to be a parent then don’t have sex, or do the child a favor and give them a life with someone who cannot have children.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Shedlock/100000472261599 David Shedlock

    You doofuses in government television, don’t even know how to do a poll. Do you realize you wrote answer two “upside-down”? Do some people only want to restrict abortion in cases of rape and incest, and allow all others? (Hint: Nobody holds that position) Your question should have asked “Should abortion be allowed?” and gave the possible answers you gave, OR you could have asked the question the way you did but given the following possible answers:

    Yes – all abortions should be banned
    Yes – EXCEPT in the cases of rape and incest. (Not “only” in those cases)
    Yes- but only after 20 weeks
    No – it’s a private matter.

    Anybody know English? Now, you have to start the poll over again. It is utterly meaningless.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Shedlock/100000472261599 David Shedlock

    Of course, they are trying to get a particular answer and using your tax dollars to do it. I don’t want to restrict abortion, I want to ban it.

  • http://twitter.com/TAMUfan4life Randa Williams

    So more people want to kill a life, than save one? Interesting, wonder how they would feel if it had been their life taken? Ok bad pun, but ya get what I’m saying?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Shedlock/100000472261599 David Shedlock

    A woman may have killed her unborn baby in spite of a conscious that warned her over and over that it was wrong. Is that what women mean when they so no abortion is an easy decision for a woman? That would be quite the admission wouldn’t it? But that is not what they mean at all. What they really want us to do is applaud this courageous decision to do the right thing (kill their own child) in spite of all the pressure that pro-life people put on them. Heroes is what they think they are! But they are really just hardening their hearts to reality by justifying such an evil act. Or perhaps these guilt-ridden mothers (and all the surviving family members) simply want us to hold them guiltless, now that they realize they don’t have a new baby to love. Sadly, they have not repented in this case, but their defense of abortion sounds more like an appeal to find the Menendez brothers not guilty of murdering their parents – because, look man they are orphans!

  • Gene Kohn

    The abortion conundrum…according to what our Divine Maker has given each person born to life…FREE WILL…EACH OF US HAS THE CAPABILITY TO BE PRO CHOICE, YET STILL BE PRO LIFE!…our choice is to follow God’s will for each of us by virtue of FOLLOWING His ten commandments wherein we are able to justify MURDER through a CHOICE to terminate a life that God has given life to through conception. The real, AND ONLY Divine choice is ADOPTION; NOT ABORTION.

  • JaneRoe

    Some men believe their religions teach that a fertilized egg is a human being & deserves more legal rights than the woman in whom it resides. If that was true then their god heartily approves of contraception & abortion in history! Only 25% of zygotes survive long enough to breathe on their own.
    Scientists estimate 40-60% of zygotes fail to implant. Of those that do (embryos), another 25% fail to survive 6 weeks – aka abortion. Another 10% fail to take their 1st breath – also abortion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeani.rector.7 Jeani Rector

    GOP = anti-women.
    We are intelligent, give us credit. Abortion is a rare event, and there is usually a compelling reason. Do we want to tell everyone if we are raped? Please keep abortion legal and private.
    Please see the rape and incest statistics here: http://www.rainn.org/statistics
    For the party of “liberty,” the GOP is instead Big Brother in the bedrooms. Peeping toms.
    The GOP only cares about children BEFORE they are born. Afterwards, the GOP could care less if they starve to death. What does the GOP offer children AFTER they are born? What? NOTHING.

  • raymond

    The “No” part was clear; but I had a little trouble understanding the “Yes” part of the poll. Maybe it’s just me; but…and, why was so little time given to the pro-life side of the argument (compared to the amount of time given to the pro-choice side)?

  • Fighting for Justice

    You have to laugh at how PBS (which is obviously pro-abortion) phrases their question. Their posing the option that abortion, which is the tearing apart limb from limb of innocent unborn human beings, is “a private matter” is like calling any other outrageously immoral atrocity a “private matter”, it’s like saying “Well, I’m opposed to slavery personally, but if my neighbor next door decides he or she wants to own slaves, well that’s their choice, it’s a private matter for them to decide for themselves – I can’t tell my neighbor what they can or can’t do. It’s their personal decision.” Can’t you see how ludicrous that is??? Then why don’t you WAKE UP and see that some things, like slavery and like abortion (the painful killing of innocent unborn human beings) are so deplorable and wrong that they should not be tolerated in a just society? Since when is killing a human being a “personal and private matter?” If a gang member kills another gang member on the street, is that just a “personal and private matter” that is perfectly legal? No. So why then do liberals justify the killing humans just because they happen to be located in their mother’s wombs? Can’t you see how ludicrous it is to say that its ok to kill those human beings just because of their location? The only reason abortion is even “legal” is because of the flawed and politically motivated 7-2 Roe v. Wade decision in 1973. Guess what another example of a flawed and politically motivated US Supreme Court decision was? The 7-2 Dred Scott decision in 1857, which outrageously declared that African Americans were just 3/5 of a person. (The Roe v. Wade decision said that the human person in the womb was not a person.)The Dred Scott decision was overturned BECAUSE IT WAS OBVIOUSLY WRONG AND IMMORAL. The same is absolutely true of Roe v. Wade. Did you know, by the way, that the plaintiff in Roe – the “Roe” from Roe v. Wade – Norma McCorvey – said that she was tricked in that case, and that for YEARS now she has been adamantly against abortion? The “Roe” from Roe v. Wade is a NATIONAL PRO-LIFE SPEAKER AND LEADER!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    That statement is so false. Sources? Fact is abortion is Legal in the US up to through all 9 months for any reason.

    Here is an entire practice that focuses on late term abortions:
    http://www.lifenews.com/2012/08/20/abortion-doc-caught-offering-illegal-late-term-abortions/

    Leroy Carhart admits to doing late term abortions:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/neb-doctor-who-performs-abortions-in-md-talks-about-security-concerns-future-of-clinic/2011/07/21/gIQAaJMSXI_story.html

    This one was done via internet with RU-486
    http://www.lifenews.com/2012/07/10/ru-serious-jennie-mccormack-the-next-roe-good-grief/

  • http://www.facebook.com/dennis.odonovan1 Dennis O’Donovan

    Leaving religious beliefs aside for the moment, science determined long ago that human life begins at conception. All the DNA a person will ever have is present at conception. From that point on, the human life begins to develop and he or she continues to develop well beyond birth. The unborn child is clearly a different person than the mother. Won’t the same arguments that are made in attempts to justify the taking of innocent unborn human life be made to attempt to justify the taking of innocent newborn human life and also the lives of innocents as they approach the end of their natural lives?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    And here in the US! http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/twenty-weeks-pregnant-with-twins-but-last-week-she-had-an-abortion/
    Look at this mom who aborted TWIN 22 weeks babys just because she didn’t want them! She even had every single resource of help standing there asking, begging and praying that she would change her mind.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    Hello! It was MEN whom decided R v W–why why is ok then but not now?

    Did you know that men regret abortion?

    Didn’t you know that it is NOT safe.?
    Google Tonya Reaves–she died.

    If it is so “rare” then why have we lost 1/3 of our population due to abortion. Does that sound “rare” to you?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeani.rector.7 Jeani Rector

    Please see the statistics of women who are raped and also of incest here: http://www.rainn.org/statistics
    The GOP = anti-women. We women may not all vote in this PBS poll, but we will all vote at the election in November.
    And Romney will LOSE because the GOP ignores the economy and instead focuses on abortion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    The solution to a crisis pregnancy is to get rid of the crisis not the pregnancy.
    Fact is 98% of all abortions are done for the convenience.
    Google Guttmacher and see for yourself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    Funny–considering the majority of people in the PL movement are women!! And even more convincing is that many of them are Post-Abortive women.
    Google: Silent No More

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    Jeani–that is BS pure and simple!!

    I am a woman. I stand on the front lines helping these women whom are scared and feel that have no choice. We offer them everything they need to help care for themselves and babies. EVERYTHING from money, to medical care, to housing, counseling, legal support etc. etc.

    As a matter of fact, Crisis pregnancy homes actually allow the moms to stay sometimes for up to 2 years…with a minimum of 6 months.

    You do not know your facts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    Your post screams ignorance.

    Do you know why? Because Norma McCorvey the “Jane Roe” of Roe V Wade….is completely 100% ProLIfe and has exposed the whole sham of R v Wade.

    Further–she NEVER even had the abortion.

    Please get updated on your facts. So many people are using outdated information.http://www.leaderu.com/norma/

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    In addition to Tony’s remark below Google Bernard Nathanson–was critical in passing R v W and he admits so many things are wrong with it.

    AND–Norma McCorvey the “Roe” of R v W–has completely denounced it, never had an abortion and is fighting today to get it reversed
    http://www.leaderu.com/norma/

    It is a powerful testimony that when the folks who helped implement RvW are now working so hard to fix their errors….it is time we listen, and get up to date on the facts.

  • JaneRoe

    Educate yourself!

    The names John Doe for males and Jane Doe for females are used as placeholder names for defendants whose true identity is unknown or must be withheld in a legal action, case, or discussion. They are also used to refer to a corpse or hospital patient whose identity is unknown. Another set of names often used for anonymous plaintiffs, are Richard Roe for males and Jane Roe for females.  This practice is widely used in the United States and Canada.   

  • Dan Q.

    I (by which I really mean You) don’t understand option 2. What, so this option would be for those who would restrict abortion if the pregnancy resulted from rape or incest, but all other abortion would not be restricted? You poll is invalid. That’s not an option anyone would choose unless they didn’t understand the question, which apparently you didn’t either, when you wrote it. You wanted to make it, “Yes – but NOT in cases of rape and incest.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=16504397 Ashley Wool

    Roe v. Wade is necessary. Planned Parenthood is necessary. The option of abortion being legal is necessary because there are far too many individual cases that cannot and should not have legal mandates attached to them. What if a young, uneducated girl has sex without knowing what the consequences are? What if a girl gets raped and impregnated before she’s even physically able to carry a child to term? What if a child is found to have a severe genetic deformity that would give him a terrible quality of life? Are certain genetic deformities cause for abortion while others or not? How could you determine that? You can’t possibly make legal stipulations for every extenuating circumstance.

    But the fact is that most abortions don’t occur for any of those reasons. They occur because women knowingly and willingly have unprotected sex and abort their children without batting an eye. I believe that is murder, and I believe it is wrong. And I’m not a right-wing nutjob either; I’m a liberal, forward-thinking New York Democrat, and this issue has caused contention between me and some of my friends. But it’s just what I believe. Making something legal doesn’t make it right.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=643766373 LeRoy Whitman

    This question is the same as saying, “In which cases should laws on murder be waived?” or more plainly, “Should there be restrictions on killing humans?” Human life is sacred, period. If you advocate taking that life, at least be honest about what you are doing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=643766373 LeRoy Whitman

    You are factually correct. But this does not make it right. It is not who and what is being done that is at question. Millions of such decisions are made every year, with irreparable harm, though healing is possible for the survivors. (More than half do not survive, since many women still die with “safe, legal” abortion.) The ethical question is The question.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=643766373 LeRoy Whitman

    This is an excellent film, with the DVD available online. Why doesn’t PBS show it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=643766373 LeRoy Whitman

    It is, as a matter of simple fact, between a woman and her doctor, of course. But this does not make it right. It is not who and what is being done
    that is at question. Millions of such decisions are made every year,
    with irreparable harm, though healing is possible for the survivors.
    (More than half do not survive, since many women still die with “safe,
    legal” abortion.) The ethical question is The question. It is not “the law of the land,” but in fact against the right to life, a natural right of humankind, encoded in the law of the land, the U.S. Constitution and its organic mate, the Declaration.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=643766373 LeRoy Whitman

    The baby is viable the entire time in the womb if it is not killed. That is the real point.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1391703419 Michelle Ann Orman

    nothing involving a babies death should be considered a private matter.

  • Fighting for Justice

    Deborah – the baby is not part of the woman’s body. The baby has their OWN body, with their own beating heart at 21 days after conception, their own head, arms, legs, organs, etc. The baby has the same right to live that every human being has.

  • Fighting for Justice

    HillbillyBill – your “abortion is a private and personal decision” rhetoric/propaganda is ludicrous. Abortion is the murder of a human being. If a gang member kills another gang member on the street, is the gang member’s decision to murder just a “private and personal decision” that the government should stay out of? No. So why do you think it’s ok to murder a human being just because they are located for the time being in their mother’s womb?

  • Fighting for Justice

    Abortion is the murder of a human being. The only reason this lethal act is “legal” in America is because of a deeply flawed and overtly political 7-2 US Supreme Court decision, Roe v. Wade, in 1973. Want to know another deeply flawed and overtly political 7-2 US Supreme Court decision? The 1857 Dred Scott decision, in which the majority claimed that African Americans are only 3/5 of a person (Similarly, the Roe v. Wade decision made the outrageous claim that the human being in the womb was not a person.) The Dred Scott decision was outrageous and immoral and was consequently OVERTURNED. The Roe v. Wade decision was likewise outrageous and immoral and will likewise be overturned. Quite interestingly, Norma McCorvey, the “Roe” plaintiff from Roe v. Wade, later exposed that she was tricked by the pro-abortion lawyers who pushed Roe v. Wade. Norma McCorvey has now been for years a major pro-life leader. She is adamantly against abortion.

  • GV

    Do those who condemn abortion because it kills a human life also condemn the death penalty? (Which is not only the killing of a human, but government sacntioned kiliing)

  • Georgia

    Simple, abortion is murder. Scientific definition of “life” proves alive– and so alive and the DNA proves human life– must not and can not be ended by “choice”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=575150135 Jane Wagner

    An abortion kills the body of the child and the soul of the mother. An injustice to one is an injustice to all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    I stand corrected. Your *handle* screams ignorance.

    As for your post; that, too, screams ignorance.
    The American College of Pediatrics defines life beginning at conception:
    http://www.acpeds.org/When-Human-Life-Begins.html

    Science has merely caught up with faith.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    Well the acorn certainly doesn’t grow into a frog–so it still must be a tree at its earliest stages.

    A “fertilized egg” doesn’t grow into a cricket so it must still be a human. If she is not a human person then what is she, exactly? When does that change?

    Simple Biology teaches us that boy human + girl human= baby human.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    Without “life” none of the other issues matter.

    Think about this, 53 Million babies aborted since R V W.

    Do you really think all those missing lives don’t have long term consequences? Like–less people to pay taxes, to work, to help take care of our eldery….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    Isn’t supporting abortion you “imposing your beliefs” on that helpless baby?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    The research is there, from Abortion Breast Cancer link, to premature births, higher suicide rates etc. etc. But–our Liberal media completely ignores it.

    We just need to get it made PUBLIC.

    Check out : http://www.polycarp.org/http://www.abortionbreastcancer.ca/theresearch.htm#1
    http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/199/3/180.abstract

  • lgfromillinois

    I voted ‘no’. I chose not to decide whether a woman should or should not make her own decision on the question of abortion. I hope she may have a way to work through her dilemmas. If asked, I may state an opinion, but the important thing is not to turn againest the woman for her choice, but to be understanding and listening and supportive.

  • Tracy O’.

    The “restricition” should only be an Constitutional amendment that life begins at conception period. This would reverse Roe v. Wade in an instant and there would be no more back and forth, left vs right, “choice” vs life, because under the Constitution of the United States of America we ALL have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, including an unwanted baby. Though unwanted, the life has the right to be protected from the horror of murder in the womb. Federal Bans are UN-Constitutional and only create (further) slippery slopes of compromise on our rights. This can and should be done within the scope of The Constitution as it
    is created for such purpose. Roe v. Wade was based on the argument that
    the fetus is not yet life. Any one who has seen an ultrasound of a baby,
    even at 7 weeks where there is often a detectable heartbeat, can see
    it’s a life. Life is precious from the womb to the tomb.

  • JaneRoe

    Neither you nor your links have addressed the central issue in my post – 70% of fertilized eggs are aborted naturally & never become independent human beings.

  • Robert Lindley

    I think your third option is incorrectly stated. Some would restrict abortion to the first trimester, before thirteen weeks.

  • Hank

    How does ANYONE have the audacity to try to make very PERSONAL decisions for another human being when the law, after many court decisions, sees no need to step into the decision-making process? I certainly have no need to vote on another’s personal decisions. My body is MINE, and I can do anything I wish with it. Women are just as free as men to do with their bodies as they wish. In sum, my body is MINE to do with as I choose. To those who insist that a fetus is a human being, I suggest a simple biology class on reproduction. There is a real difference between an embryo and a human being.

  • CB

    Ummm, who would only want abortion restricted in cases of rape and incest? You messed up your wording PBS.

  • Saving the Innocent

    Everyone has a right to make choices, good or bad. When a woman makes the choice of participating in sex outside of marriage, her choice precludes the risk of a pregnancy. If her bad choice results in pregnancy, than she should not have the right to reverse the results after doing what she knew could happen ahead of time. She made her choice – she should have to live with it. No one has the right to commit murder. Many childless couples would love to raise that baby. Make a good choice in the first place and you won’t miss not being able to make a bad choice later.

  • Jtdn

    Pro life or Pro death, I choose life.
    It is life that is terminated .. is’nt it ?
    It is human and not alien .. right ?
    It might be a girl, whose life is terminated, before she has anything to say about it.
    Just because the mom did not have a choice … 2 wrongs does not make a right.

  • Sally

    A woman recently suggested that when abortion and/or women’s health issues are the topic of any sort of vote or law women should have 2 votes to every male’s one vote. I’d be happy to let all the men decide on issues of prostate or erectile disfunction issues…but please stay out of women’s issues!

  • Anonymous

    It’s pretty obvious that this an issue that people should respectfully agree to disagree, John. Why is my opinion ridiculous and yours – as insulting as it is – is not? I stand by my opinion, and so does my husband who supports a woman’s right to control her own healthcare decisions (including choice) just as we both support a man’s right to control decisions about his own health.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Randy-Crawford/1171661673 Randy Crawford

    Pro-choice adherents aren’t actually pro-choice until they are willing to choose themselves. But they never are, which is their own admission they also know abortion is murder.

  • Shaun Garvey

    The government should not prevent the destruction of a human life because it is a “Private matter?” I guess then a lot of criminal activities could be considered to be simply “Private matters.”

  • Just A. Thought

    In my posting yesterday, I mentioned that Justice Harry Blackmun, author of the majority 1973 Roe v. Wade opinion, wrote that since not all groups could agree on the point at which human life begins and that since technology wasn’t advanced enough to prove it, he would err on the side of approving Roe v. Wade. However, he noted that if technology became advanced enough in the future to prove that human life begins at conception, that “cdollapses Roe v. Wade. I noted that, ironically on the other hand, the Endangered Species Act levied fines and prison terms for anyone harming an eagle egg, for a baby eagle is in there from conception. Technological proof came 11 years later in 1984 with the advent of DNA profiling or fingerprinting, which proved that life begins at conception for humans, eagles or what have when the DNA in the sperm and the DNA in the egg instantly recombine, and a new life — as INTRINSICALLY human, eagle or what have you — as it ever will be is created with its own, unique DNA profile for life. I lamented that, thus far, DNA fingerprinting has freed the innocent from death sentences in every place of incarceration, except the womb. This morning, on the front page of our local newspaper (The Advocate, Baton Rouge, LA 9/29/12), as if to verify what I wrote in the posting, was a story headlined “DNA clears death row inmate.” The Innocence Project noted that DNA fingerprinting verified the innocence of and gained the release of Damon A. Thibodeaux, who had been on death row inmate in Louisiana’s Angola state prison for the past 15 years. Henry James, another Angola death row inmate exonerated by DNA, said he felt law enforcement officials had no interest in finding the truth in his case. The article noted further that since 2000, Thibodeaux became the 18th death row inmate in the US to be exonerated by DNA. So, we have The Innocence Project to exonerate death row inmates in prisons and the Endangered Species Act, which is the equivalent of The Innocence Project for eagles. Because we have no Innocence Project for the Unborn, not only are innocent humans in the womb unjustifiably killed by comparison, but other atrocities are committed and covered up as well. For instance, I asked a medical doctor friend what were the chances that more than 60 million abortions and counting could have been performed in the US without a single complication or death ever having been reported to have taken place. His reply was that since a small percentage of deaths take place even for such a routine procedure as an apendectomy, the chances were nill. There are two main reasons for this. First, even though abortionists are mandatory reporters, they routinely fail to report any complications or even cases of suspected child abuse. Second, they will often legally hire a doctor not affiliated with an abortion clinic who has admitting privileges to a hospital to take any woman suffering a complication from the procedure at the abortion clinic to the hospital. The complication and/or death of the woman then becomes the complication and/or death of a woman who is a patient of hospital. Even though neither CAPTA nor HIPAA allow health practitioners to use any privilege of privacy as a reason not to report suspected cases of child sex abuse, abortionists, even though mandatory reporters, routinely fail to report such suspected cases. As a result, pro-life advocate Richard Mahoney, a respiratory therapist, has information indicating that some ten thousand 12-15 year old girls had abortions between 1999 and 2010 in Louisiana alone, and many, many more have taken place on the national level. Why would these be suspected cases of child sex abuse? Because it is simply not possible for unmarried 12-15 year old girls to be pregnant legally. In spite of that fact, when Mahoney showed his information to a law enforcement official, the official told him that it is not illegal for 12 year old girls to visit abortion clinics and that the evidence he was shown only indicated no crime at all, execpt, perhaps, a minor reporting infraction on the part of the abortionist. Like Henry James above, Mahoney, experiencing the same indifference he always receives from law enforcement officials and district attorneys, didn’t bother to retort that it is, however, a crime punishable by fine and prison term for an abortionist to fail to report to authorities the arrival of an under age girl at the clinic the minute she reaches the door. Considering it useless to point out to the officer that, contrary to no crime having been committed, it is quite a serious crime for an unmarried 12-15 year old girl to be pregnant — hint, hint. Sometimes, under age girls who have stomach pains but don’t know they’re pregnant, go to a hospital instead of an abortion clinic to find out why they’re having the pains. In those cases, the hospitals never fail to report these cases of suspected child sex abuse. Why the discrepancy? Simple. Hospitals don’t have a financial incentive to cover up for pedophiles. Abortionists do. Abortionists are members of a multi-billion dollar industry (so much for Bill Clinton’s abortions should be rare), and Mahoney says abortionists have told him pedophiles are some of their best customers. So, even though CAPTA and HIPAA do not allow health practitioners, including abortionists, not to report suspected cases of child sex abuse, when Phil Stine, as Kansas Attorney General, tried to investigate if abortionists were covering up for pedophiles, then Gov. Kathleen Sebelius and pro-abortion groups would have none of it. Did Roe v. Wade legalize pedophilia and its cover up? If you take into account that two Penn State officials are facing criminal prosecution for covering up for Jerry Sandusky, and Catholic officials have already been convicted and sentenced to prison terms for covering up for pedophile priests, one might get that impression, hint, hint. By the way, even using the under reported figures regarding abortion, Dr. W. A. “Al Krotoski of The Hippocratic Resource, a group of pro-life doctors, resports in the organization’s newsletter that six times more women have been killed in legal abortions that were killed in illegal abortions. So, there goes Bill Clinton’s advice that abortions should be safe. That leaves only legal. And, boy, is it ever lega!

  • Charles

    Thanks “Need to Know” for introducing a rational & intelligent expression of the abortion controversy by thoughtful and human women’s rights advocates to demonstrate the Republican misogynistic and misanthropic concepts which characterizes Republican’s vacuous hypocritic medieval mentality.
    One of the elements of the decline of quality of life of planet Earth is the population explosion which destroys the enviroment & consumes all the natural resources that soon become inadequate to maintain reasonable sustenance, so conflict and wars develop.
    Since the earliest days of the ‘American Forefathers’, the Republicans, (then Whigs) established the supremacy of themselves as ‘Capitalists in Charge’ of all abundant resources for their plundering and enslaving of new arrivals. The myth of a Democracy never was, probably never will be, instead a Plutocracy has reigned over the USA.
    The powerful, arrogant, traitorous, Republican hypocrites have bullied most of the countries of the Planet by gunboat diplomacy seeking ‘free trade’ that never has been ‘fair trade’, so enemies have developed everywhere. The vast majority of Americans have little sense of history, so they are easily rolled over by the powerful Republican propagandists.

  • lionhawk2

    I like to say that those who say they are against abortion accept in cases of rape and incest are classicist hypocrites. how dare they say that a fetus who was created though an act of violent rape or by an act of incest is less deserving of life then those who who were created by accident? I am pro choice who believe that abortion should be accessible to any female who finds themselves with an unwanted pregnancy. If they cannot afford it, then medicaid should cover the expenses. in the long run it would be cheaper then trying to raise an unwanted kid. If we want to reduce the amount of abortion done in the US, education and the handing out of free condoms and other contraptions will o more to reduce unwanted pregnancies then this stupid abstinence only education. I would respect the anti-choicers who said no abortion period then those who say things like accept in cases of rape and incest

  • Theodore E

    For those who are against abortion, if a child is not wanted,do you really think that child is not going to be abused? If you are against abortion,instead of protesting it ,Go And Check Out Adoption Agency,And Take In A Child! Who for what ever reason is unwanted by the parent,or they would not be up for adoption!
    Its not much differents in unwanted animals ,that are badly abused,thrown out along a road,drown,or just plain killed.Check out how many animals are in shelters,that need a home. There are far to many Childern in the same boat .They need a home.
    Instead of concern over unborn,Take Care Of The Childern That Are Alive and need help or a home .That is Reality,not some dream that may become true,IT IS TRUE

  • Quanuck

    It seems people who vote “down” on yours and other similar posts don’t like to hear or read the truth. NO abortion is justified. Murder is murder.

  • Quanuck

    Rev? I really doubt this post. Anyone with a title of Reverend is or should be of the Lord in word and acts. How dare you slight the Word of God and say abortion can be a choice between a man and a woman? That is like saying a man can marry a man. You are speaking outside of the Bible and God’s own laws and His Word. Shame on you for posting such filth. I pray for you and all those people who think killing unborn children is ok to make up for a previous “mistake”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000715705849 Lyle Howe

    @bdd896f34545764277d460ea7da6e360:disqus Spot on! Those who defend the right to kill the baby seem to have a blind spot when it comes to the little child. It’s not just a fetus! he/she has arms, legs, head, heart and sometimes is sucking a thumb. he/she make a futile attempt to evade the intruding instruments that are intended to end their life, he/she feels an unimaginable pain. The killing needs to end, women and men to to take responsibility for the results of their sexual activity. abortion is the epitame of selfishness.

  • Rachel L

    Looks like you have copied this straight from “Conservapedia”, China Girl. Unfortunately they have made a typing error.

    It should read:

    “122.66 boys for every 100 girls born”. This is according to the UN. http://www.un.org.cn/cms/p/news/27/1346/content.html

  • jellybean

    As someone who has actually had multiple miscarriages, I find your post heartless and appalling. It sure doesn’t feel natural. The only thing in common between abortion and miscarriage is the loss of a baby. I grieved my babies. I had no doubt that they were worth grieving, and anyone who tells me differently to my face would likely get slapped. And I’ll tell you something else, I am pro-life and not because of my experience with miscarriages. I at one point thought that abortion was just necessary in this country because of our culture, but I now see that it does more harm than good to the mother as well as (obviously) the baby. I’ve had friends that will regret their decision to abort for the rest of their lives, and even a friend that attempted suicide after getting an abortion. My pro-life stance is not born out of ignorance, nor is it an attempt to take away a woman’s rights. I happen to know that a lot of women who get abortions do not feel like they are “free” to do so but rather they are facing pressure from the baby’s father, their parents, or society in general. They think they are avoiding consequences not just delaying them. Does this mean that there are NO circumstances that abortion should be an option… no, but those cases are rare.

  • JFK

    Abortions should be a woman’s right but with restrictions. The decision should be between the woman, her family, and her doctor. The restrictions should be placed to prevent those women who use abortion as a means of birth control or who wait and make that decision late in their pregnancy.The decision to have an abortion should be made as soon as possible with a cut off time to have the abortion unless there is a issue with the baby or pregnancy.

  • Lauren B.

    Yes, I condemn the death penalty as well as abortion. There is no gray area in the 10 commandments when the Lord said “Thou shall NOT kill”. There aren’t any exceptions to the rule.

  • Lauren B.

    I knew of a woman that worked for Planned Parenthood, she was an administrator. She stood in on an abortion of a 12 week old fetus and ran out of the room after witnessing the baby (in the ultrasound that the doctor was using) attempt to stuggle to get away from what was ripping him apart. He was obviously in a tremendous amount of pain she said & had no where to escape.

  • Dhalaigh

    I think The “Yes” response means “with no exceptions”.

  • Lauren B.

    If you’re a firm believer that the U.N. puts out anything but lies then I have some swamp land that you may be interested in buying.

  • Doug Jones

    Abortion is murder in God’s eyes and every TRUE Christian knows this. If we as a society, culture, people etc, do not turn away from this disgustingly gross and barbaric practice, we WILL suffer God’s Wrath! A woman should not be given a special “privilege” to commit murder just because the “LIFE” grows in her body. Non-Christian women who keep screaming that they have a right to govern their own “health care” make me want to throw up. Since when is “pregnancy” a disease that needs to be cured? God’s children have a right to be born. Adoption is still alive and well in America. How many Ben Franklins, Louis Pasteurs and Albert Einsteins have we deprived the world of as a result of legalized abortion? The little voices cry out to us from Heaven to stop this insane practice!!

  • J&V Mete

    This is very important and very controversial issue. This angers me that the government is even considering outlawing abortion, this is not a government issue. Let me first state that I think that we as a nation should teach safe sex and how to avoid pregnancy in the first place to our children, teens, and adults in schools or wherever it will be learned, but if that should fail I believe Woman of America, Land of the Free, should have the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion within any circumstance. Sometimes contraceptives fail and accidental pregnancies happen everyday to woman of all ages, colors, and all classes. So if a woman doesn’t want to have a child becomes pregnant and our government says “no abortion”, should that child be born and feel unwanted and unloved? Many woman choose abortion because they are not financially stable sometimes not even mentally stable enough to take care and raise a child. Why subject a child to that life? And who will take care of those unwanted and unloved children? Taxpayers. If a woman chooses abortion and pays for it on her dime, not the governments, then why should others put their noses in it in the first place. It is not anyone’s business besides the woman and her doctor. If abortion is against your religion or if your pro-life then that’s fine to apply that to Your life. But to make it law and force unwanted pregnancies that lead to unwanted children on everyone in America, I think that is just absurd. We all have the right to our opinions and we should definitely have the right to choose and respect any decision a woman makes pertaining to her own life. America has become oversexed just look at the entertainment nowadays from movies,music, to t.v. shows. Sex should not be promoted especially without reiterating that it can lead to underage promiscuity, STDs, and pregnancies. Sex should not be thought of as “not a big deal”, it is a big deal and it could lead to big consequences. Sex just like drinking should be done responsibly between adults. Unlike drinking, it should be private not all over place. If anything needs to change it should be the outlook on sex.

  • J&V Mete

    Not all children that are given up for adoption are adopted and most of these children suffer as adults. They will live with foster parents and we all have heard some horror stories regarding foster care. Not saying they’re all horrible but some are. Some children who remain in foster care for the duration of their childhood choose to remove themselves from foster care. While the occurrence is rare, a few children each year are able to prove themselves legally competent and be released, or emancipated, from foster care. As legal adults, these children are required to provide for themselves after emancipation, and a few are able to do so. However, a large portion of emancipated foster children end up unemployed, homeless or incarcerated. About 200,000 children are adopted each year. About 20,000 children age out of the system each year. About 2 million are aborted each year. Over 40% of the foster children who age out in America end up homeless. Only 20 % graduate high school with a diploma or GED and only 27% of those go on to college. Our government does nothing to protect these children once they age out. Should we add these 2 million children a year to the system? What would be the outcome we can only speculate.You’re right, some of the aborted may have grown up to be great. And others may have turned into Albert Fishs(grew up in an orphange and is considered to be America’s most despicable pedophile, serial killer, and cannibal). There is no way to tell. As you say these little people are in heaven and that is a better place to be then here on earth.

  • J&V Mete

    Well said! I agree completely.

  • Anonymous

    It can never be a private matter because it also involves the life of another human being – the child’s.

  • William Van D.

    Legalization of abortion rests on the premise that an unborn child is not a human being, therefore it has no human rights. Those opposing abortion know that an unborn child is a living human being, which is both a scientific and a moral truth. All American human beings have an inalienable right to life. Since murder is forbidden by both law and moral code, abortion is fundamentally the same as any other form of murder. If the Vietnam memorial wall were extended to include the would-have-been names of all the unborn killed by abortion since it became a political issue, at the same scale as the existing wall, it would stretch for eighty miles.

    The holocaust of abortion is one of the abominations dragging western civilization back into a new dark age.

  • Lauren

    My comment got deleted. Very suspicious. Very Anti-Free Speech.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    What is your point Rachel? The fact is that China’s One Child policy has lead to such a desperate imbalance of M/F ratio. Fact. China has one of the highest abortion rates. You might want to check Unicef’s stats, too.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    This is very well documented, over and over from abortionists, clinic workers etc. The unborn baby suffers. Period.

  • Lauren B.

    I am a Pro-Lifer that says no abortion in any case, no exceptions. A baby is a baby. Period, end of story.
    I don’t understand pro-lifers that would accept rape or incest as an exception. It’s still a baby, it’s not his/her fault (nor the mothers in the case of rape but I wouldn’t punish/kill my child for the fault of another).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    You wrote: “religions teach that a fertilized egg is a human being”
    My reply that life begins at conception is directly relevant. A life that grows within a human is non other than a human being and that begins at conception. SCIENCE claims that not JUST religion. Science and religion agree.

    Furthermore, that religion teaches that BOTH lives are equally valuable. Period. Google ‘principle of double effect.’

    Your ‘central issue’ is irrelevant to abortion. Abortion is the intentional ending of that life. A miscarriage is an act of nature that the woman has no control over. There is a huge difference between the two.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    When you utilize that handle in an ***abortion debate***–it implies that you are supporting Norma McCorvey. It might be more “neutrally” appropriate in a Criminal debate.

  • Lauren

    How’s this for research: I’ve personally known 6 women that are close to me that have had abortions, 2 of them are illegal drug users now, 3 of them are alcoholics and the other is in rehab. They were all just fine BEFORE their abortions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    Google: Endowment for Human Development and see that a baby is fully formed by 11 weeks–everything is functioning and present–he just grows.
    A heart beat is present at about 21 DAYS. At what point would you place that restriction?

    Guttmacher (Planned Parenthood’s old research arm) states that 88% of all abortions occur 12 weeks or earlier. Most women use it for BC. What restrictions would you implement then?

  • Lauren B

    do you feel like you’re killing anything less than a baby when incest or rape is involved? What about that baby? They deserve death because of unfortunate circumstances?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    There are waiting lists for adoption! There are far more adoptive parents available than there are children. The adoption system is broken–so let us take the millions Obama has given to PP and to Embryonic stem cell research and apply it to fixing the adoption system. Then we’d save lives ALL the way around.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    You wrote:
    “How does ANYONE have the audacity to try to make very PERSONAL decisions for another human being?”— Like the woman ending the life of the baby within her?

    Baby has her OWN body, her OWN DNA, her OWN blood type, her OWN heartbeat at 21 days–and when you choose abortion you choose for that Baby, not for yourself.
    Abortion is purely selfish today–there is so much help, so many, many resources out there to help women that there is NO excuse, at all. Period.

  • Lauren B.

    In New York, for every black baby that is born two are aborted. Using abortion as birth control could only be possible for those who’ve decided to abort their souls as well

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1532223150 Anonymous

    Babies in the womb are people separate from their mother. They have memories and are capable of strong emotion, stronger than anything you can imagine. How do I know? I remember. I remember my mother’s abortion, the day that my twin sister was literally ripped from me. And miraculously, I survived. https://www.facebook.com/notes/terri-lapoint/i-remember/10151177918684828

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1532223150 Anonymous
  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1532223150 Anonymous

    I know. I remember.

  • J&V Mete

    No absolutely not! Obviously, not only did you miss the point completely, you misconstrued my comment and twisted “it to your liking”. Not once did I say that uneducated or people living with an illness do not live happy lives nor have I said we should eliminate anyone. It’s about sex education in particular. Everyone needs to be educated on the consequences sex may cause also on the practice of safe sex, because not everyone will abstain from it. If you are not aware or “educated” enough to be able to learn about sex and its consequences then no you shouldn’t be engaging in the physical act nor procreating for that matter. I only stated the importance that we educate our children, neighbors, friends, family, everybody, and anybody the consequences that may occur and to either abstain or practice safe sex until you are capable and responsible enough to deal with any of its consequences. I am not all for abortion nor am I against it. I am for the woman to make up her own mind. It should be up to the woman to decide and be educated about her decision and all the risks and benefits that her decision involves. Who are we to judge? As it says in 2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil. Right?Let the woman have the right to choose for themselves and you have the right to choose for yourself. We all have our opinions and we can apply them to our own lives so if abortion is what she chooses then only she will have to live with the results of that decision. If there were no safe way to abort do you think the practice would stop? No, there will be an increase of “coat hanger” abortions which are far worse. Plus what about the countless number of women and Teens that give birth only to kill their fully grown infants? Getting rid of abortions will only increase these numbers and make this issue much more prevalent. Education is key and I’m not talking about the “Abstinence Only” route because that doesn’t work. We as a nation need to focus on better education, reducing poverty rates, and creating more jobs,etc.. Maybe we can reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies before abortion is even an option. WATCH Video about Mississippi for a small example and do your own research.
    http://youtu.be/gYKfO5xHgPM
    Also, you should look into the results of over population.

  • FORTINO MARTINEZ ESPINOSA

    Abortion is illegal and always shall be illegal. It is crime, to murder, to kill an innocent, defendless creature, human being, child. No excuses, no pretext. Why do you think it is written in the TORAH OF GOD, LAW OF GOD “THOU SHALL NOT KILL”. There are four UNIVERSAL principles in the WORD of GOD.
    1. “THOU SHALL NOT KILL”.
    2. “EYE FOR EYE, AND TOOTH FOR TOOTH”
    3. “IF YOU KILL SOMEONE YOU SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH TOO”
    4. WITH THE SAME MEASURE YOU MEASURE SOMEONE YOU SHALL BE MEASURE BACK. GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED WHATSOEVER MEN OR WOMEN SOW THEY SHALL ALSO REAP.

    THIS IS THE WHOLE COUNSEL OF GOD. IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOKS OF MOSES THE TORAH, THE LAW OF GOD.

  • J&V Mete
  • istandforlife

    Rare, really? 1.21 million per year in the United States is rare?
    Oh, and safe? Didn’t you hear about the recent death of Tonya Reaves after her very “safe” abortion?

    Abortions are neither safe nor rare.

  • Mae

    There should be no reason for murdering innocent human life. There is always two victims in an abortion: the baby who loses his/her life, and the mother who’s life is forever changed. 99% of women who have experienced abortion are affected either spiritually, emotionally, or physically, and sometimes in all three ways!

  • Anonymous

    Who wropte this poll question? Are they deliberately trying to skew this in some way?

  • Annie O.

    It is not a private matter when Planned Parenthood receives TAX dollars, substidies to advise and to perform abortions. The original woman who was advocating birth control in the US around 1920 did so to promote white people and was very prejudice against African Americans having large families. Is it any wonder why a lot of planned parenthoods are in poor neighborhoods, is this coincidence? Without the stigma and pressure of our society many women who normally would love to have their baby would, especially if abortion was against the law. In so many situations the father is the one at fault for telling the woman to have an abortion, I cannot even tell you how many times, is too many that I have heard this story. And this is no secret.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mary.rascher Mary Kobeski Rascher

    69% say yes… but our government doesn’t listen!

  • Hope Schmeling

    The poll is incomplete. It doesn’t ask if there should be abortion at all.

  • Mae

    It’s hard to believe people still have the mentality of thinking that birthcontrol is the answer to wiping out abortions! Birth control has been around for generations and used more widely now than ever before and still abortions kill 4,000 babies every day in the US! The ONLY way women are not going to get pregnant is to stop having sex—Called ABSTAINENCE! Or are women now lowered to being like animals where they cannot control themselves! Also, for those who do not yet know this fact: Planned Parenthood makes their money off of abortions, and they do not make money from handing out birth control pills! Therefore, they give out low dose birth control pills to girls hoping that they will get pregnant and come back for an abortion. This is documented by staff members that have left the abortion industry. And our government continues to pay Planned Parenthood from our tax dollars! They are a big contributor to a certain presidential candidate who continues to give them millions of our tax dollars! This is an election year—get your facts straight before you vote!

  • Grace Johnston

    We wouldn’t need restrictions if there were NO ABORTIONS, as it should be.

  • Mae

    I’ve worked at a crises pregnancy center and you are wrong, CAS. One woman in particular came in 6 mos. pregnant, already showing and by this time feeling the baby moving, left wanting to get an abortion. She knew the state would pay for it too! Cost of late term abortions can be up to $13,000! It is not a private decision when it concerns the murder of a baby and tax payers having to pay for it! Your excuse no longer fits!

  • Shannon

    Women’s rights? What about the rights of the little girls that are aborted and have no choice in the matter?

  • E

    There is ZERO scientific evidence that fetuses that young feel pain, and the only evidence along those lines is actually that they cannot feel pain (though there’s no strong consensus on that point as far as I know). Please don’t just introduce false facts to an already complicated issue.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1122919675 Maggie Anaya Zoiss

    There is never a good excuse to murder an innocent, defenseless human being.

  • Pro Life

    I agree .. poorly worded question.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rankersen Rachel Ankersen

    Fetuses how young? Let’s just assume a 12 week old fetus feels NO pain whatsoever. But late-term abortions ARE performed in this country and the fact that we even have ex-abortionists testifying in front of lawmakers that the unborn do feel pain is really sad. We’ve had viable unborn children horrifically ripped apart in the name of “choice” yet people are too BLIND or too guilt-stricken from their own abortion experiences to see it for what it really is. I WILL NEVER vote for a pro-choice candidate for as long as I live.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t–MhKiaD7c

  • Buttercup

    Jane Roe, from Roe vs Jade, was pro-choice and is now a strong pro-lifer!
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_McCorvey

  • Teresa

    You need to do more research, because there most definitely is evidence that people (yes, they are people) that young can feel pain. There is only a lack of consensus.

  • Patricia

    God doesn’t make mistakes,people do

  • Buttercup

    Here is your EVIDENCE. It is from an abortion survivor. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gianna_Jessen

    Gianna Jessen:
    “We need to discuss the humanity of it. I’m glad to be able to speak up for children in the womb,” she said. “If abortion is about women’s rights, where were my rights?”

  • Buttercup

    ► 9:36► 9:36
    http://www.youtube.com/watc...
    10 Sep 2008

  • Sylvia

    Mae seems to say a pregnancy is only the responsibity of women. Re-read my post. And I make a monthly donation to Planned Parenthood
    and will vote for President Obama. Government should stay out of
    the decision that belongs to a woman in consultation with her physician.

  • Michelle

    What disturbs me is the person who said that there is no evidence that life at that stage can feel pain. That’s not the point. The point is, is that this child is having a reaction to something heinous being done to it, and HENCE it is alive and this is evil! Abortion is not complicated. Abortion exists because it is a reactionary response to unwanted pregnancy. Human beings were endowed with natural modesty, feelings etc, and so if you’re natural response to seeing a baby being torn to shreds is one of disgust, I think that’s a pretty good indicator of what is right or wrong. Imagine, a bag to throw fetuses out. Imagine, parts of aborted fetuses are present in vaccines

  • http://www.facebook.com/welliam.wittier Welliam Wittier

    This is a very poorly written poll.

  • rebecca

    I think they meant to say not in cases of rape and incest.

  • Joy

    The “Vote” can be misleading … there isn’t anything that prevents a person from voting more than once … So I wouldn’t trust the numbers above at all.

  • http://www.facebook.com/stephanie.methvin Stephanie Methvin

    So as long as the murder is painless, it’s okay….so shoot someone while they’re sleeping, and you’re off the hook for murder??? no…. whether the little human feels pain or not is completely irrelevant in this discussion. Murder is murder….and I pray it is stopped soon.

  • sally

    I am sure that if you had your limbs torn off and then your head squeezed until your brain fluid started to drip, you would be in pain. Unfortunately we would not be able to ask you if that was painful or not….

  • http://twitter.com/RooForLife RooForLife

    Doctors used to think that infants did not feel pain and operated on toddlers up to 15 months without anesthesia. You’d think Doctors would have realized infants felt years before the 1970s~
    Why Infant Surgery Without Anesthesia Went Unchallenged
    Published: December 17, 1987
    To the Editor:
    Your article on infant pain and its belated recognition by the medical community (Science Times, Nov. 24) suggests that unanesthetized surgery has been limited to newborns and that the practice had largely ended by the late 1970′s.However, surveys of medical professionals indicate that as recently as 1986 infants as old as 15 months were receiving no anesthesia during surgery at most American hospitals.
    http://www.nytimes.com/1987/12/17/opinion/l-why-infant-surgery-without-anesthesia-went-unchallenged-832387.html

    Study Backs Deep Anesthesia for Babies in Surgery
    Published: January 02, 1992
    Using deep anesthesia to protect newborns from pain during surgery appears to improve dramatically their chances of surviving, and doctors should discontinue the common practice of minimizing the use of anesthetics for babies, a new study concludes http://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/02/us/study-backs-deep-anesthesia-for-babies-in-surgery.html
    Believing babies feel pain http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-05-08-babies-pain_x.htm
    By 16 weeks, the fetus produces many of the same hormones found in adults. Painful procedures trigger a hormonal stress response. As in newborns and adults, pain is followed by the release of cortisol (kor’ti’sol), ß-endorphins (ba’ta en’dor-finz), and norepinephrine (nor’ep’i-nef’rin) into the blood stream.20 By 16 weeks, the fetus produces many of the same hormones found in adults. Painful procedures trigger a hormonal stress response. As in newborns and adults, pain is followed by the release of cortisol (kor’ti’sol), ß-endorphins (ba’ta en’dor-finz), and norepinephrine (nor’ep’i-nef’rin) into the blood stream.20
    http://www.ehd.org/dev_article_unit13.php#hormonalstressresppain

  • Flo

    delia, your reasoning, and your “facts” are way off.

    —You said: “Canada doesn’t have any abortion laws — for or against — and the sky isn’t falling”

    It’s easier, and clearer just to say that abortion for any reason is legal in Canada. (How that relates to the sky falling, or any other natural disaster, is beyond me.

    –In your comparison of abortions stats, you greatly erred by including only the abortions per 1000 without figuring in the number of pregnancies per 1000 in both countries (abortions can only be done on pregnant women, and we need to see how many pregnant women aborted their children *compared* to how many pregnancies there were in each country). Since the “population of California is slightly larger than the total population of Canada,” and the pregnancies per 1000 in the U.S. is nearly double that of Canada, the actual adjusted stats paint a very different picture. (The numbers I used come from the very liberal and pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute–you cannot accuse them of a conservative bias.)

    As a matter of fact, the U.S. comes in dead last (34.9%) in the abortions ratio category out of the five countries compared, with Canada in the middle (46.4%), and Sweden on top with a whopping 68.8%. The other countries are Great Britain (46.4%) and France (50.5%). It is interesting that all the other countries have some form of socialized medicine and their abortions ratios are higher. I presume the countries with socialized medicine probably all offer low-cost or free contraception, but again the abortion rates are still higher.

    Since your statistics fail badly, all your reasoning about the availability of birth control in Canada, and the prolificacy of our southern baptists (!) falls with it. It just isn’t so. And by the way, your bias is showing.

    –Your use of the word “self” (by definition, a person’s essential being that distinguishes them from others) plainly illustrates your ignorance of the uniqueness of a human child in the womb. This child has received half of it’s genetic code from the father, the child has it’s own uniquely identifiable DNA, and the child may even be of a different sex than the mother. The unborn human child is unique, the mother is unique. They are related, but not one. Two distinct selves.

    –Finally, you wrongly assume that the only people who would stand against abortion is wrong are those whose social mores originate from a right-wing, extreme Christian background–as if there were no solidly scientific (or other) reasons for objection. Nothing could be further from the truth; google ‘Atheist and Agnostics Pro-Life League,” “Secular Pro Life,” or “Feminists for Life” for starters. Lots of folks outside of mainstream Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and other life-affirming religions object to abortion.

    I conclude with a quote from a rather lengthy essay by pro-life atheist, Patrick Ptomey:

    “Personally, my pro-life beliefs belong to the discoveries in science. While I am sympathetic to women’s rights and would even consider myself a Feminist as would any man who believes in gender equality, the right to life outweighs our personal discomforts. I will hesitantly concede that had I been born 10 years earlier I most likely would have considered myself pro-choice based upon the absence of scientific evidence within the pro-life movement at the time. More so, if science had proven that life began at birth I would have had no foundation for an anti-abortion belief. Thankfully for the pro-life movement, science has reemphasized the movement’s argument that abortion takes the life of an unborn child.”

  • SandyJean7

    In cases of rape and incest, (which account for less than 3% of all abortions), why should we be killing the innocent baby for the father’s crime? Why cover up a crime with abortion? Why multiply a woman’s trauma with abortion? Why are we allowing the murder of human life at all?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jacqueline-Harvey/23932888 Jacqueline Harvey

    That is what “yes” means. Paranoia picking fights is not helpful.

  • JD

    Who wants there to be restriction on abortion “only in cases of incest or rape”? Me fail English that’s unpossible, I work for PBS

  • http://www.facebook.com/crazzeto Carlo Razzeto

    Yes = restricted full stop, Yes 20wks means illegal after 20wks, Yes rape / incest means legal only in the case or rape &,incest. No means no.

  • Matthew

    Every unborn baby (from conception) should have the same rights as the mother. I say we need to overturn Roe vs. Wade!

  • Anonymous

    Modern medicine and caring organisations are available to head off the need for any abortions. A mother who is upset is very tempted to take the short cut and abort, but the long-term effects for her soul and even in the nerves of her body hurt forever.

  • Anonymous

    The poll is skewed, no place for NO restrictions, bias to begin with. A private matter is NOT a rational option, there is one dead baby and a lot of hurt people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=585273802 Kelsey Shannon Arnold

    That’s not what the question said. The question said, “Should there be any restrictions on abortion?” That means that “yes” could mean only parental consent laws, only waiting periods, or only sonogram requirements. The question doesn’t define “yes,” so your definition is merely conjecture.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=585273802 Kelsey Shannon Arnold

    Not to mention that the “yes” vote is completely undefined. This is a useless poll.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=585273802 Kelsey Shannon Arnold

    I’ve heard the analogy of dragging someone into your house and then shooting him for being there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=585273802 Kelsey Shannon Arnold

    As science progresses, the age of “viability” will move to an earlier and earlier point of fetal development. “Viability” has nothing to do with the state of the baby itself.

    Besides which, babies have been born and survived as early as 21 weeks 5 days (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/25/worlds-most-premature-baby_n_853389.html). On top of that, remember that most gestational ages are counted from the mother’s last menstrual period, which means that baby Freida had only been growing for 19 weeks and 5 days when she was born!

  • Gerard Neumann

    Yes, only in cases of rape and incest does not make sense as an answer.

  • Gerard Neumann

    The sloppiness of the question reveals how biased and not serious about this issue PBS is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/curriea Amber Currie

    There is no excuse for murder, and we need to remember that this election season. Watch this free 33 minute documentary to challenge yourself on this topic: http://www.180movie.com

  • The Apologetic Thomas

    People who support abortion are willfully promoting the destruction of the image bearers of God.

  • Anonymous

    Someday you are going to regret your pro-abortion stance pbs. Future Americans will look at you the same way we look at plantation owners in the antebellum south or Germans in the 1930′s. It is never just to declare humans “non-persons” in an attempt to justify robbing them of their lives.

  • Connie

    abortion is murdering innocent lives…your Son or Daughter deserves to live they bare gifts from GOD..some ppl. use it as birth control..it makes my heart hurt…arent you glad your Mom didnt abort you ???

  • Mike

    There’s no difference between killing an unborn baby or walking next door and killing your neighbor. I guess there is a difference. The baby can’t defend himself.

  • Megan

    Women are not test tubes or incubators for men’s sperm. And even for you fetus=human being people, that doesn’t give another “human being” the right to suck life off another “human being” against their will. I am unaware of any laws in this country that force parents against their will to donate blood, bone marrow, kidney, etc to their born child. Why would a mother be forced to “donate” her body to a fetus if she doesn’t have to donate to it once it’s born? There should be zero restrictions at all. You will never get rid of abortion. You will only succeed in getting rid of safe abortions.

  • Megan

    FYI, it’s been documented by the medical community (little more credibility than an administrator) that the development of the brain portion that covers pain doesn’t even form until 24 weeks. Which means whoever told you that story is a complete liar.

  • Megan

    I call bullshit. I don’t remember anything prior to age 5. There’s no way anyone remembers being born.

  • http://twitter.com/Oshichi Jenna Claudio

    It’s absolutely no one’s business but the woman who has to decide.

  • Megan

    There’s actually a huge difference. Your neighbor isn’t attached to you for 9+ months against your will. They’re hanging out next door minding their own business. Now, if they did decide to latch on and not let go, you would be well within your rights to remove them from your person.

  • TailKinker

    I doubt anyone here who is so vehemently against abortion will ever face the possibility of having to consider one themselves. Women and girls die in back alley abortions. You save no one by making it illegal and drive more to suicide.

  • El

    I see where people are saying its murder. So, it’s okay to bring an unwanted child into the world? Have them put into a foster system? Yes, the child can be adopted out. Women’s lives are forever changed regardless if she aborts or puts the child up for adoption. I love when I see women who are against abortion had used it once themselves not once but serveral times now they want to take it away from others to use because of their own guilt or they now are the fateful Christian after a life of sleeping around, drugs and partying. If a woman wants to abort she will find a way whether it be legal or a coathanger. A woman will find a way to get out of a desperate situation so why not keep it legal?

  • Anonymous

    Exceptions for rape, incest, or health risks to both fetus and mother. However, with the latter, you have to establish what constitutes as a risk to the fetus.

  • El

    You say the child should have the same rights as the mother? How about the mother? Before abortion became legal the church’s opinion was the child’s life was over the mother’s – mothers were sacrificed to keep a child.

  • El

    You are joking? What about the woman who was raped? She’s suffering and then has to carry an unwanted child for nine months. So who is actually suffering? Now, if a woman after being raped chooses to carry the child she has that right. It should come down to a woman’s choice.

  • El

    Very well said. My hat off to you.

  • El

    Yes, well said.

  • Beth

    It should be a private matter and everybody forcing the mother to keep the pregnancy isn’t going to be there after the fetus does turn into a baby and its born. No one will be there to lend a helping hand, no one will be there to explain where daddy is, no one will be there to feed the child when it has to go to bed hungry. No instead everyone will be there to judge the mother for irresponsibly bringing a child to this world. She’ll probably be called a whore and the child a bastard by the very “Christians” who force her to keep her pregnancy. If you are a real Christian you would know that judgement is also a sin, you can’t pick and chose, a sin is a sin. The women who for their very own private matters need to make the difficult decision to have an abortion will take that matter up with God and no one else. Like it or not that’s my own opinion to which I am entitled to.

  • Flo

    “the medical community” includes a whole lot of people, some more credible than others. And “the medical community” is split on this issue, partly because they don’t fully understand it. The brain/nervous system is amazingly intricate and complex. Your argument only works if one doesn’t think it through. And, unfortunately, most people (on both sides) react to the abortion question viscerally, not cerebrally.

    What we do know absolutely is that an unborn child is human, is alive, and has the possible capability to feel pain at some point. The next question to ask is whether it is more humane to protect the mother’s quality of life (which will only be compromised for a relatively short time if she chooses to put the child up for adoption), or to violently snuff out an innocent human life (all abortion involves a violent taking of the life of someone who has done no crime, much of the time by a cruel form of systematic dismemberment).

    Finally, before you go calling folks liars, you should remember that all science evolves over time–and that very often there is faction in the scientific community (good minds on both sides of an issue). You really do have to listen, not to just the loudest voices, but to all sides before you make your (hopefully honest) decision about who is most credible. Scientific errors (beliefs scientists have held as virtual fact) are constantly being overturned by new information. The astounding new (and indisputable) discoveries regarding the complexities and mysteries of the DNA molecule, which was thought (for almost 60 years) to be mostly biological “junk” is just one very good example.

  • http://twitter.com/RooForLife RooForLife

    Facing
    Life Head ON Episode 2: Cries from China

    For
    the past 30 years, the one-child policy has controlled the formation of
    families in China. This brutal policy has been wreaking havoc on Communist
    China’s women and babies.

    Steven
    Mosher, president of the Population Research Institute, was the first American
    social scientist to visit mainland China in 1979. While there, he witnessed
    first-hand the atrocities of the new one-child policy……
    http://www.facinglife.tv/episode/season_5/episode_2/episode_502.html

    Planned
    Parenthoods China affiliate has been helping China enforce the one child policy
    since 1983~

    China
    passes qualification test of Int’l Planned Parenthood Federation

    Established
    in 1952, the IPPF was among the world’s largest non-governmental organizations
    on family planning and reproductive health. China joined the IPPF in 1983
    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-10/30/content_720378.htm

    Ex-Planned
    Parenthood Director Praises China’s One-Child Policy
    http://www.lifenews.com/2011/08/10/ex-planned-parenthood-director-praises-chinas-one-child-policy/
    Forced abortion is not “choice” so how prochoice is Planned Parenthood really?

    Forced abortion is not “choice” so how prochoice is Planned Parenthood really?

  • No Regrets1974

    I guess I’m in the 1%, because I had one 22 years ago, and I have not had any of the issues you speak of. It was the best decision I ever made, and I am no victim. It’s ok if you want to call me a “murderer” and that my “baby” was a victim. My conscience is clear.

  • http://twitter.com/RooForLife RooForLife

    Abortion is a rare event
    Over 3,000 abortions a day just in USA alone is NOT rare http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZFwsoa_Zr4&playnext=1&list=PLDC6533A22BE7716B&feature=results_main , 115,000 EVERY day worldwide. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNiAE73cz10&feature=relmfu

  • Flo

    I am so sorry for all the hurt, bitterness, and hopelessness your comment reveals. I know countless Christian families and parents who have opened their homes to needy moms and their babies. Some have adopted special needs children, some have fostered addicted babies, many have done both. My own step-sister was taken in at first because her mom, who was living on the street, asked my parents for help. She was finally brought into our family in an open adoption arrangement so her mom could watch her grow and be involved in her life while we provided a stable loving home. I am proud of her and so glad she is a part of my family. I consider any mom who decides to keep a surprise pregnancy a modern day hero, certainly not a whore.

    Most of the churches and Christians I’ve been affiliated with have supported battered women ministries (shelters, training..etc), supported crisis pregnancy centers (which DO help women after the child is born, btw), staffed food pantries, or done lots of similar things to help support struggling moms and families. Please don’t believe all the noxious poison (a/k/a lies) that’s being spread around so liberally, especially during this political season–most of it is coming from people who have much to gain by it. Look around, you’ll find lots of people, from every background and political bias, who are willing to help the hurting.
    I agree that you are entitled to your own opinion, but as human beings with the moral responsibility not to hurt others, we have to ask ourselves what is the right thing (not just for ourself, but for all involved) when we make decisions that affect other lives. A choice is not always sacred, and we are never given the freedom or right to make any choice. People selfishly make wrong choices that hurt others all the time. OTOH, selflessness (although not usually the easy choice) is what makes families and communities (and nations )thrive. When people make choices based on what is best for themselves alone (or on fear), they usually go wrong.
    Ask yourself who stands to profit from what they advocate as the right choice. Charities and crisis pregnancy centers usually charge nothing for their services–and they often battle to keep their doors open. On the other hand, the abortion industry is a multi-million dollar, and very well-connected political entity. Abortionists get paid for their services-they do not consider it charity.

    Beth, I hope that you are able to find and recognize someone, or some group, who is working selflessly to help and heal hurting women and families (without political motivation). And I hope it causes you to see past the media and political hype that is promoting such bitter division right now.

  • Jennifer

    Job 32-37: Be Wary of those who Claim to Know God’s Will for Your Life

  • Tiger

    This decision is a private matter. Since the Christian Bible in at least 2 places (Ezekiel 37:5 & Genesis 2:7) very clearly states that life begins when we take our first breath on our own, I get upset when I hear religious false prophets say God says abortion is murder. The Bible does not say that so I can only wonder why people supposedly knowledgeable in what the Bible says tell falsehoods. Perhaps they have political reasons or like to pretend they personally know what God thinks because they get power or food for their egos. Also, anyone who has ever had a baby or been in a birthing room knows experientially that a baby has to take its first breath on its own before it is alive. If no first breath is taken, the baby remains dead & must be buried. Apparently the Bible is right.

  • Anonymous

    To have an abortion, it should be up to the pregnant woman, only.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    Which is more important, the life that already exists, or the life that could be? Anti-abortion laws would also restrict or outlaw live-saving abortions, and if you think those aren’t real, you’re an even bigger fool than you already seem.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    It rests on the premise that a woman has control over her own body, who uses it and who doesn’t.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    The woman suffers having to get one. Someone in surgery suffers, we don’t suggest outlawing surgery because people suffer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    That’s fine, as long as you don’t needless fill jail cells with desperate women.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    and you would victimize her again and again for not making the choice you agree with. you disgust me.

  • Doubtful

    I find it exceedingly hard to believe that you don’t have a single doubt about that decision. Most people doubt everything to some degree and second-guess themselves about the route they take to work in morning. But you haven’t given a second thought about what a relationship with that child would be like or what he or she might be like today. I miscarried once very early in pregnancy and every holiday, every family photo, I think of where that baby would be standing among his/her siblings.

  • Speak softly

    And you would ask her to make a rash decision in moments of pain and grief instead of doing something hard, yet admirable, that she could be proud of later as a way to make something good out of something horrible and evil?

  • Fact not Invective please

    I wish you would give info with your comment…is this just something you believe or do you have data? Because I do have data. Less than 1% of all abortions can even loosely be termed “life-saving” for the mother. If you doubt me then see how many abortions are performed in the ER…NONE. So we condemn 99 babies for every one pregnancy that MIGHT be life threatening to a mother?

  • Exercise your rights

    Then she should exercise that right and control who uses her body. She should exercise the right NOT TO BE PREGNANT. Condoms cost pennies. BC pills are $4 at Walmart. If she wants rights, she needs to accept the responsibility that is the other side of the same coin.

  • Did you read the study?

    It is interesting that many of the studies that were done (and used as support for the very liberal abortion laws in Canada) have been often misquoted. They actually say it APPEARS that the portion of the brain that controls pain isn’t FULLY formed until 24 weeks. It doesn’t say it isn’t formed enough to function. It even states that center of the brain is only BELIEVED to function in pain reception…it isn’t proven that it CONTROLS pain function or that it is the ONLY center functioning in pain reception.

  • Not a comparison

    Apples and Oranges. In abortion someone dies…100% of the time. Would you have a surgery that was 100% guaranteed to kill you? I really do think it would be outlawed, lol.

  • Dumb argument

    Yes, if you can’t do it, then no one can. It must be difficult being Wonder Woman.

  • Heartless wench

    And as long as you don’t fill graveyards full of innocent babies. Oh…wait, they don’t get a gravestone. They get a dumpster.

  • Wondering

    So if I hire someone to kill you, it’s okay? I mean, I paid for it, right?

  • Hope

    Yes, because there is a single place in this country where you can get a legal abortion the same day. And please, I highly doubt that a single women did not at least think about the decision first. I have yet to meet even 1 who did not spend at least a day making that decision. Just because she came to a conclusion YOU don’t like doe not mean that she did not think about it first.

  • Anonymous

    She controls what happens to HER body. NOT her BABYS body. That means controlling weather or not she becomes pregnant. Not if her child lives or dies.

  • Flo

    Sorry, Tiger. Sound medical science is pretty clear that the developing child is alive in the womb. It is growing, learning, maturing, and developing; dead humans don’t do this. And when a child dies in utero (whether by natural causes or because of some violence done to it), it ceases to be alive. That’s a much more straightforward, and scientific explanation.

    BTW, you are really badly twisting the Bible’s treatment of the Christian God’s high estimation of life in the womb. Exodus 21 is only one of many Old Testament passages which attests to this fact. In this passage, it is a criminal offense to hurt a pregnant woman, causing her to miscarry. In all of the Bible life and children are both considered valuable gifts from God, not to be despised or disposed of.

  • Anonymous

    An ex friend of mine took a pregnancy test. It came up positive, and she immediately got on the phone, and scheduled her abortion. She said she would do it again, and didnt care.
    THAT is disgusting. She uses it as birth control.

  • Anonymous

    Well i remember my third birthday. The human brain is a super computer. It has the ability to pick, and recall every single thing it has ever seen, heard, said, felt, or smelled. There are many people who have perfected the ability of complete recall.

  • freedomfighter

    I agree. People who spread the rumors have no experience with it.

  • freedomfighter

    Freedom of Religion was supposed to be for ALL of us. You can’t try to force other people to live by your beliefs and claim it’s to protect your own religious freedom.

  • Corina

    Helen what you seem to not understand is when you are prengnat that is not life that is about to become that IS life.No matter how you look at it you can not escape the fact that life no matter how small is life. there are certain times that abortion is needed but that is only 1% of the time so like @7bf8621866f9c5ae63ad8f1b84e97409:disqus said So we condemn 99 babies for every one pregnancy that MIGHT be life threatening to a mother? Here is a link that I hope well help you to understand where I am coming from.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI

  • Corina

    Wait a second who ever said that those women were EVER going to be put in jail? ummmm…..NO one. Right know abortion is LEGAL meaning that you can have a abortion WITHOUT going to jail that also means that if abortion is ever made illegal NO ONE IS GOING TO JAIL becouse when those abortions happend it was LEGAL. I dont know where you are getting all your information maybe the onion.com? you are all over in the comments section but not ONCE have I seen you make any valid points on this discussion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/patricia.g.brodie Patricia Gallucci Brodie

    This poll question is poorly constructed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    There is a huge difference between a baby wanted that was miscarried and an unwanted pregnancy terminated.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    and so because she made a decision you call disgusting, you would pass a law against anyone else violating YOUR beliefs. If that’s the kind of country you want to live in, move to Iran.

    It’s also exceedingly ironic coming from someone who claims to be Wicca willing to pass laws making other people conform to your beliefs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    I would give her the opportunity to make the decision that is right for her without shame or criminal prosecution. Sometimes it is not just hard, it is impossible, and when legal options are closed, people will still find a way to do it illegally.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    Yes. If she gets pregnant, do what the bible says and marry the person who got her pregnant, even she is a child and that father is a rapist, because she must be held responsible. You sicko.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    Like by using birth control, that can and does fail. Often resulting in birth defects. How many children like that have you adopted in your life?

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    if you make it illegal, then what happens to a woman who gets an abortion after it is illegal? I don’t want to see teenage girls committing suicide or going to jail because their drinks were spiked, or because their birth control failed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    That’s a nice platitude from someone who probably never has to make that choice. Why not look at WHY a woman would even consider an abortion and tackle those issues instead of painting her as a evil soulless monster for not wanting to put her life and health at risk for something she doesn’t want.

  • Ladymiseryali

    Restrictions hurt women. Illegalization of abortions kills women. I prefer women not get hurt nor die. Prohibition DOES NOT work. If you want to reduce abortions, you LEAVE THE LAW ALONE and INSTEAD you teach children PROPER sex ed, you make birth control MORE available and MORE affordable and you provide MORE support for women who want to keep their pregnancies, but do not have the money nor support to do so.

    Then again, those who are anti-abortion are also anti-non-procreative-sex, as well as anti-birth control and they are against programs that actually help poor children in need. It’s safe to say that those who CLAIM to be pro-life are actually pro-birth or pro-fetus. They stop giving a fuck once the cord is cut.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    Dominican Republic. strictly anti-abortion. a teenager who was 8 weeks pregnant (seriously not even a size of a bean yet) died because she was terminally ill and could not get treatment that would endanger the child. they are now both dead. if it happens to one person, it can happen to anyone.
    And it seems you are making up the 1%. Whether it is 1% or 0.1%, no one should die because someone else doesn’t like abortions. Who decides what is “life-saving”? Does it have to be absolutely certain that she will die? What if it is just incredibly likely? What if that puts at risk other children growing up without a mother? What if she was raped, and she will commit suicide if forced to carry her rapist child? Does she have to prove it was forced? What if she was coerced and groomed by her rapist to cooperate? What if she is 12? I think all these What if’s mean that laws have no place in something that belongs between a woman, her family, and her doctor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    but not the state controlled incubator known as the mother, right? She should just hope she doesn’t get sick, because her baby comes first. Even if that means other children lose their mom.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    clearly someone who has no clue as to the hell that is pregnancy if you think the only thing a woman is trying to avoid is labor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    They are low dose because high dose is linked to stroke and blood clots and possibly cancer. Way more than the pseudo- science linking abortion to cancer.

  • Just Askin’

    Don’t ALL laws prevent some from violating others’ beliefs? Look at someone who beats his wife, he doesn’t necessarily believe it’s wrong, does he? Isn’t Helen asking someone to move out of the country because they don’t conform to her beliefs about abortion?

  • Just Askin’

    Should we also give opportunities for new mothers to abandon or kill their newborn child if it is hard for her, without shame or criminal prosecution? If we close legal options, won’t some mothers find a way to kill their newborn illegally?

  • http://www.facebook.com/TailKinker Helen Taylor

    It’s not meant literally. Someone may also believe the bible is quite literal and say that a victim has to marry her rapist. I believe the circumstances that warrant getting abortions outweigh the personal disgust of someone getting it for “convenience”. I also believe it would be a beautiful world where no one gets abortions, but I believe that should be tackled by looking at the issues that make a woman want an abortion, not just making them illegal.

  • Just Askin’

    Are you disgusted with “doubtful” for not agreeing with you?

  • Just Askin’

    Are you assuming that all people who say women are negatively affected by abortion are lying and have had no experience with abortion?

  • Just Askin’

    Do you believe a clear conscience is a good way to determine right from wrong? If someone steals from another, but has a clear conscience about it and believes it was the best decision they ever made, does that mean their actions are good?

  • Just Askin’

    So if one doesn’t accept YOUR beliefs, they’re a fool?

  • Just Askin’

    Are you saying there are the same number of abortions performed now with abortion being legal as there were when abortion was illegal? Do abortions hurt and kill women? Has the sex-education in schools and availability of birth control coincided with a decrease or increase in the number of abortions performed? How much financial and personal support does Planned Parenthood provide pregnant women who want to keep their child?

  • Renee

    I had an abortion when I was 18, and I had a planned baby boy in May of this year at 27. I have never regretted the abortion, and going through pregnancy, childbirth, and caring for a newborn has only solidified my position on this matter. I could never imagine forcing a woman to go through pregnancy and childbirth who didn’t want it. I love my baby and it was all worth it- but only because he was wanted!

    I am far, far more traumatized by my birth experience- 50 hours of labor ending in an emergency C-section and a difficult recovery- than my abortion, which was a comparative walk in the park with no recovery needed. Labor was the most awful, exhausting, painful thing I have ever done in my life and if I hadn’t have wanted the baby at the end it would have been unbearable. 100% of women who go through pregnancy and childbirth are affected spiritually, emotionally, or physically, and sometimes in all three ways!

  • ladymiseryali

    Actually, abortions have been on the decrease THANKS in part to better sex ed and better access to birth control. Proof here
    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/20/502947/abortion-rate-drops/

    As for what planned parenthood does to support women who choose to carry to term, here’s a link on that.
    http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/pregnancy-4250.htm

    As far as I know, they provide information on programs that can help women who choose to carry to term. Planned Parenthood IS NOT an “abortion empire” or anything else that pro-lifers spew. In fact, abortion is LESS than 3% of what they do there. The rest is preventative care and general health.

  • ladymiseryali

    Most of the women I know who have aborted have ZERO regrets. In fact, one of my friends wouldn’t have married her husband and she wouldn’t have a son right now, had she carried the deformed fetus by her abusive ex to term. Here’s a study that disproves your theory on top of my anecdotal evidence.

    http://women.webmd.com/news/20000822/study-says-most-women-dont-regret-abortion

  • Corina

    Why do they have to get an abortion? last time I checked there are LOTS of other thing you can do such as put your baby up for adoption. Or you can just KEEP your baby. or you can do what I am doing wait till I KNOW that I can provide and care for a baby. As for men spiking girls drinks yet again you can put your baby up for adoption.

  • Anonymous

    There is so much to say about this issue: 1) The best response I’ve heard to the question of abortion is, “Much has gone wrong before abortion is thought of..” Let’s practice preventive medicine first. As others have stated, education, birth control and social supports for women and children would go a long way to preventing abortion. Men are also in this equation. Men need to be more conscientious about preventing unwanted conceptions. 2) Abortion must be legal and accessible. There will always be a need. Any limitations will always find an exception. 3) Having said that, it seems that polar opposites are not helping anyone reach understanding. One side gives too much credibility to the zygote/embryo/fetus as being whole and perfect regardless of developmental stage or mother’s circumstance. It seems they are a highly misogynistic lot to me. Meanwhile the other side thinks the pro-lifers are a superstitious, ignorant, irrational group of zealots who are murderous in their own right. It seems that being pro-life is anything but compassionate.
    When asked if you are pro-abortion almost no one says yes unconditionally. When asked are you pro-life almost everyone can answer yes, because respect for life—not just human life— is a shared value. My answer: Keep abortion “safe, legal and rare”. Do everything politically possible to support prevention and maternal care. I will keep personal counsel to avoid unwanted pregnancy, but I damn sure want the option if circumstances beyond my control warrant it. That’s nobody’s business but my own.

  • victim 1,999,999,999,999

    if you practiced safe sex, which infos out there, and plenty of ways, plus took responsibility for your actions you wouldnt have to kill a child. theres always more victims than the mother and/or child. i’ll pray for you.

  • victim 1,999,999,999

    what right does a woman have to choose life or death? so sad to think educated as well as less educated as well as uneducated people have supported this.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CGWSQNE5J5ZHPPQKDDPTSYQENA ThomasO

    There’s always an outcry against abortions but once the baby’s born the conservatives don’t want to help the mother. Then she has the freedom and personal resposibility to die along with her baby if she can’t make it.

  • Jen

    Women die from legal abortion all the time. These places are not regulated and often compromise womens’ health and safety to protect their business. The selling of abortion through the encouragement of hopelessness of any other choice is common, and most counselors in my area are paid commission on the abortions they sell. My local abortionist, Dr. Alberto Hodari, killed four women who included a 15yr old and a 17yr old. He was never investigated. Like many other free standing abortionist, he has a habit of failing to call an ambulence for hurt women and will either send them home in bad shape with an after hours number to call or if they are critical, put them into one of his own vehicles and have someone taken them to the hospital. One of the women, Regina Johnson, died because of this as she needed a resperator. You would not believe the horrible things these men get away with! And everyone looks the otther way, because they are abortionists. His clinics also have a high suicide rate from the women who have had abortions. He also specializes in forced abortions, and even does house calls for parents with a pregnant teen who refuses to abort and may make a scene in public. He is also well known by older men who impregnate young tees and need to hide the evidence of his sexual abuse. The fact of the matter is abortion, whether legal or illegal, is bad for women period. It’s a violent procedure that scars a woman and changes her for life, and it usually attracts shady characters to perform them. Through out history

  • Margo

    I am struck by the political dishonesty on display concerning this issue. If, as is contended, abortion is murder, then the one million women who have an abortion every year in this country are guilty of first degree murder and should be prosecuted and incarcerated accordingly. I have never heard this logic advocated by any of those shouting “murder” and I conclude that it is because, if we started jailing our sisters, daughters, wives and mothers, the electorate would rise up and vomit the pro-lifers out of office.

  • Jen

    Survivors guilt is common in siblings of those aborted. Dont be surprised if one day your wanted son wishes his aborted sibling was there, a part of the family. Children who experience this never feel completely loved because by chance they were conceived when it was convient…. Not accepted no matter what/no matter the costs. These children know that had they happened to be conceived at the wrong time, they would have been in the same boat as their aborted sibling. Abortion affects more than just mom, it affects whole families, and all of society as a whole.

    When I was pregnant at 19, I judged my fetus. I assumed it would ruin my life, I judged it with out giving it a chance. I had dreams and goals and didnt want to ruin my rep with a teen pregnancy.Well, that fetus is now 12yrs old. My daughter backpackec Europe with me last year and 5yrs ago, took care of me for two days when I was so ill that I could not get out of bed. After getting to know my daughter and actually gave her a chance, she was irreplaceable. At one time I was willing to destroy her, but I had no idea who I was wanting to get rid of. After getting to know her, I am willing to die for her! No one at the clinic tells you that… How fast the tables turn once you stop judging your unwanted child. It’s a tragedy. I just got lucky and they closed early the day I went to them for their $400 “help” and my daughter’s life was spared.

    As for labor, no pain no gain… And that is one pain Id gladly do again for sych an amazing girl

  • Jen

    Meant to say, try a waterbirth next time. Most midwives will allow a v-bac. This is how I had my daughter, all natural… But less traumatizing. Midwives have a one in 12 c-section rate while hospitals have 1 in 4 on average. They can also help labor progress, know what to do to flip breech or posterior babies, and other things mpst docs are not trained in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dshedletsky Dawn Henson

    I am very sorry for your pain, but I still would not take that choice away from another women!

  • Anonymous

    Typical tea bagger.

  • j.emily

    “as far as I know”

  • http://twitter.com/Tonks07 Mandy

    because everyone can use one form of hormonal birth control… NOT! Because we all can afford birth control every month or evey 3 month if you’re on the patch or shot? Because we all take it correctly every single day right? Because sex ed is wonderful and every boy knows how to properly use condoms?

    Please join us in reality. Schools are pushing for abstinence only sex ed & people are hating on the ACA which now covers many women’s birth control with no co-pay. Why are people trying to get rid of those then if their goal is less abortions? Answer: because it’s not really about less abortion, it’s about controling women and punishing them for wanting to have sex.

  • http://twitter.com/Tonks07 Mandy

    Because having someone inside you using up your nutrients for 9 months and then pushing it out of your vagina is a total walk in the park right? Not even considering then just giving it up for adoption? You make it sound like it’s no big deal! Women are thinking and feeling humans as well. Please don’t downplay how hard the decisions is to have a baby and raise it or decide to give it up. Both are not easy decisions to make.

    As for men spiking drinks, you say just give that baby up for adoption? How about we start forcing those rapists to raise that baby? Would that help stop rape? If everytime a rapist got a girl pregnant they would have to pay enough to raise that baby themselves.

  • http://twitter.com/Tonks07 Mandy

    Not sure if this is the place for this discussion but throwing it out anyway. For the religious out there:

    Thoughts/opinions on what happens to the soul of an aborted fetus? Obviously it hasn’t been born and so hasn’t been baptised. If aborted I just assumed the soul goes back to Heaven/whatever afterlife you like. Is that so bad? Obviously God/whatever Diety you choose realises that it wasn’t that child’s time to be born yet. Same with miscarriages. Obviously the time wasn’t right for that child to come into the world. And God can look for another try with a woman/couple ready to have that child. Again, this is just my opinion and I’m just curious what other people’s thoughts were as this isn’t exactly something you can just bring up in everyday discussions. Please keep it polite.

  • http://twitter.com/Tonks07 Mandy

    Not really….I don’t think viable means what you think it means. Viability is when a fetus could possibly survive outside the womb (be that surviving on it’s own or with the help of medical tech). With science/medicine improving all the time the date of viability is getting lower and lower (anyone know the earliest premie born that survived?) but still, a 5 week fetus isn’t viable. You can’t take it whole out of a woman’s womb and have it continue to develop and survive. Maybe someday it will be. But not yet.

  • http://twitter.com/Tonks07 Mandy

    Your comment assumes all women want children. Many DO want to be mothers. But certainly not all. Are you suggesting that those of us who don’t want kids should never ever have sex?? What if I get married? Should I not be intimate with my husband? I do not want biological kids.

  • http://twitter.com/Tonks07 Mandy

    Yes birth control is out there. But guess what?! ABSTAINENCE sex ed…doesn’t teach jack about birth control!!! Do you know how many different options there are for women out there? Do you know how to use each one the correct way? Do you know how much they cost? What about the correct way to wear a condom? How does that help us if we have this awesome medicine that we aren’t being taught how to use properly???? Seriously. Think it through. And why are you calling for women to just stop having sex as well? Are they not having sex with men? Why aren’t you telling those boys to keep it zipped up? Why aren’t these men using condoms? Sex involves two people. Don’t just blame the woman for getting pregnant. Another thought about ABSTAINENCE (I like keeping it in capitals like you did, makes it seem ominous and important). Yes that is indeed the obvious way to not get pregnant. But what about married couples? Not all couples want children right away or ever. Are you saying married people should abstain from sex?

  • http://twitter.com/Tonks07 Mandy

    Parenthood should not be a consequence FORCED on a couple. It is too important of a choice. It is a huge life changing choice to be a parent. Imagine the hate and resentment on the child from the parents for being forced to have him/her. As for childless couples…no. Just no. No one is under any obligation to be an incubator for anyone else. If they want a kid why not go adopt any of the thousands already in the system? That argument is bullshit. oh wait, most childless couples want healthy, white newborns. No. There are thousands of kids and teens IN THE SYSTEM. If they really want a kid that bad they can give one of these kids a home.

  • ladymiseryali

    As in, I’ve heard this from PP employees or those who volunteer there. I’m sure it varies from place to place. PP cares for women, no matter which choice they make.

  • Giselle

    How you feel about something, in this case abortion, doesn’t dictate morality. In other words, if I decide I have no problem robbing a bank, that doesn’t mean I’m in the right.

  • Guest

    If I became pregnant from rape and abortion was not an option, I would kill myself. Plain and simple. So, based on at what point someone deems the fetus viable, that’s two lives lost. I doubt that I am the only woman to feel this way.

  • Robert E.

    I agree with Kenneth H that there should be that option as well, but I don’t like the way the question is asked either.

  • Anonymous

    I would adopt them all if i could. Because unlike you, i believe special needs kids deserve to live just as much as people of the genetically perfect “super race” you’re so willing to make. How would you like it if someone told you you had no right to be alive because you had a cleft lip, or another “defect” of some sort?

  • Anonymous

    This statistic is pulled out of the same dark place as the “data” that claims that abortion increases chance of breast cancer.

  • Anonymous

    William, you’ll never know what it’s like to worry about being pregnant, go through a pregnancy, to be raped as a woman, to be in a difficult relationship where sex is either forced or coerced, even to menstruate! I wish men who have strong opinions about abortion would remember that it takes TWO TO TANGO! If you feel you have to weigh in on the debate and support laws that are punitive, then go after your fellow men, the sperm donors, the 23 chromosomes that contribute to the abortion conundrum, in short the equal factor of the problem!! If you feel the need to legislate, dictate and moralize then by all means, take it to your own gender! If their peckers are kept in their pocket, problem solved!! The vast majority of women don’t get pregnant by immaculate conception!!

  • Anonymous

    Maybe men should exercise some self control as well? Pregnant girls used to be shamed and weren’t allowed to attend prom or walk across the stage to graduate. Their sperm donors were allowed to do these things. If men want rights to dictate what women should be able to do with our bodies then maybe we have the right to demand all men be chemically sterilized until they have a permit to reproduce???

  • Anonymous

    One cannot control the weather . . . but tell me, if a woman has a miscarriage, did she fail to control what happens to her body?

  • Liveandlearn

    Jen,
    I’m glad things turned out so well for you and your daughter.
    I do wish, however, that in this highly impassioned discussion about abortion that more attention would be given to the solution of ADOPTION.
    Many moms living under adverse circumstances and/or personal immaturity would be making the far wiser and more loving decision to offer their child-to-be for adoption by a loving and responsible family.

  • Liveandlearn

    Hey, Just Askin’
    Ever heard of “Baby Moses” laws?
    Drop your unwanted newby off at a fire station or hospital within 3 days of birth and “it’s all good!”
    YUK!

  • Liveandlearn

    Caveat Emptor, though.
    Even the combined use of oral contraceptives and condoms (or diaphragms) has a surprisingly high failure rate.
    Don’t want a baby? Then don’t have sexual intercourse!

  • Liveandlearn

    I would partially agree with you on this one!
    The Right does want to stop both unmarried males and females from having any and all forms of sexual interactions and activities.
    But religious conservatives also want to halt discretionary abortions, too.

  • Liveandlearn

    Maybe marrieds in the danger range agewise for Downs, autism, and some other birth defects need to consider ABSTAINING from sex!
    We’ve become the Viagra Society, where men can no longer contain their sexual urges.
    Pathetic!

  • Anonymous

    But YOUR morality may not be imposed on others. They are at liberty to determine their own lives and that includes their bodies. That is freedom; so don’t get to call the shots for other people if they are not about to harm you and your family or even your property.

  • Anonymous

    Plenty of newborns are killed by their mothers. In only a few cases are their bodies found. Unwanted children frequently have hellish lives.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, it is not a human being; at most it is a potential human and while in process it is parasitic on the pregnant woman.

    It is not a scientific proof; you are just renaming a process. As for being against YOUR moral code, don’t have an abortion. Just don’t try to force your idea of morality on others.

    If abortion was so wrong the Bible or christ would have spoken of it or forbad it.

  • Anonymous

    They don’t always work even when used properly. And they are NOT always available. Often it is married women who don’t want to get pregnant but do who need an abortion.

    Married people shouldn’t have to abstain from sex just because they don’t want another child.

  • Anonymous

    This whole discussion is about safe legal abortion. If Abortion becomes illegal then it can not be regulated — and anyone can set up to perform them as they did before.

    So called pro-life people, who should be called pro birth, are a hoot. They go on and on about the fetus being a full human being entitle to all the rights there is but as soon as it’s born they deem it unimportant. In Congress they are the same ones who have been trying to cut food stamps, women’s nutrition and health services, child care, Medicaid and what would be most important support for the mother to stay at home to care for and bond with her child.

    So they define the fetus as human but for the real infant they are thoughtless.

  • diadavs

    SO THEN WE KILL THE MOTHER AND BABY OF THE (WHAT U CALL 1 0/0) i personely know 4 mothers that would have died and those abortions were not done in an er

  • diadavs

    this is for the mother to decised she is who will have to live with it not u or anyone else

  • Rae

    I would like to know how people expect to pay and provide for the 40 million unwanted (aborted) babies.

    Also, women will still have abortions in back alleys and at butchers like they used to before Roe v. Wade and die of infection and botched procedures…. it is a MORAL issue, not a legal one.

  • Rae

    I think you should do some research and find out what the law deems as a human being….. basically it is a VIABLE life. Check it out, the supreme court defined it back in the 1970′s, 1973 I believe. Just sayin’.

  • Rae

    There have been over 40 million abortions last time I checked… one question, how would you suggest we pay and provide for all these unwanted babies? Obviously higher taxes and bigger government to oversee these children…. sad to say the children in orphanages are underfunded already, I personally would pay higher taxes to provide for them, but most people wouldnt.

  • Rae

    In People v. Davis, 1 the California Supreme Court held
    that the viabilitr of a fetus is not required for a murder conviction
    under California Penal Code section 187(a).3 The Davis
    court ruled that the third-party killing of a fetus with malice
    aforethought is murder under California’s murder statute so
    long as the state can show that the fetus has progressed beyond
    the embryonic stage of seven to eight weeks.4 This decision
    overturned eighteen years of California appellate court
    holdings.

    In its 1973 opinion in Roe v. Wade,;3 the United States
    Supreme Court held that, in the context of a mother’s decision
    to have an abortion, the state has no legitimate interest in
    protecting the fetus until it reaches the point of viability.
    The Court explained that viability occurs when the fetus reaches
    the capability of meaningful life outside of the mother’s
    womb.

    After Roe, a number of California appellate courts construed
    the term “fetus” in section 187(a), to mean a “viable
    fetus. ,,16 In People v. Smith,17 the first of these cases, the
    court of appeal held that viability is an essential element of
    fetal murder under section 187(a). The Smith court reasoned
    that “one cannot destroy independent human life prior to the
    time it has come into existence.” Thus, the court maintained,
    before viability, the state has no interest in protecting
    the fetus from abortion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/clcolegrove Christopher Colegrove

    To answer this poll, two real questions need to be (1) When does life begin? and (2) It’s okay to kill a child when…? Once we come to the conclusion on point (1) that at conception the cell is its own: its own dna and genetic code made of dna from father and mother, and thus life; and once we come to the conclusion that (2) it is never okay to kill a child (just as it is never okay to kill the disabled or those who need more assistance (think the Nazi Holocaust) and just as it is never okay to own a slave (remember early 19th century America?) – then we end up saying: yes, there should be as many restrictions against abortion as there are against an irritated neighbor shooting his neighbors son for any reason. It will always be, “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” until it tramples on anothers “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”

  • http://twitter.com/cberrl cecil berry lee

    Sex was meant to be enjoyable! Folks will have sex no matter what you think

  • http://twitter.com/cberrl cecil berry lee

    Never heard that before that birth control causes birth defects-maybe the pill!

  • http://twitter.com/cberrl cecil berry lee

    Why not try calling it a FETUS =thats the proper term!

  • http://twitter.com/cberrl cecil berry lee

    We are debating stealing!

  • http://twitter.com/cberrl cecil berry lee

    You should have said “you wouldnt have to terminate a FETUS

  • http://twitter.com/cberrl cecil berry lee

    Do you step on bugs that come in your hose?

  • pickle

    “Without education we are in a horrible and deadly danger of taking educated people seriously” G.K. Chesterton.

    just a few questions for all those people arguing for women’s rights…….
    those people claim to fight and stand up for womens right to decide what is right for their physical and mental well being. that centers around the right to abort unwanted pregnancies, because it should be the women choice due to it being her physical person thus no concerning matter of the government.
    so my questions
    should women then not under that same notion of her physical person thus her decision apply to the right to decide to sell her physical person for monitary profit? how can you be pro-choice to justify the “termination” of life but claim prositution illegal and a matter for government intervention?
    shouldnt women have the right to decide if that is best for their well being because it is their body?

    what of sterilization only being allowed if the woman is of 25 yrs of age or had at least 2 children? how can womens right fighters ignore that this too should not be enforced by the government!!
    should it not be the women’s choice due to it being her physical person thus no concerning matter of the government?

    what of murder….. if an individual kills a woman & then it is discovered that the victim was pregnant, WHY then all you pro-choicers, is the defendant allowed to be charged with 2 counts of murder, if abortions are legal and not defined as murder?
    this is a double standard!
    so which is it then—because if you believe life doesn’t start until after a first breath then a lot of individuals have been sentenced unjustly!!

    final thought of the hour: why should taxpayers be responsible if :
    #1 “jane doe” irresponsibly choses to engage in intercourse
    #2 “jane doe” fails to use even one of the forms contraceptive. (condoms, spermicide, birth control pills, birth control shots, the patch, the ring, diaphragms,or one of several iuds)
    #3 “jane doe” fails within 3 days after her “oops me no wanna be mommy” to go to her local pharmacy or one of the many planned parenthoods-though taxpayer funded thus wrong, to get “the morning after pill”.

    pro-choice individuals want to act like women are helpless victims. yet women chose to engage in intercourse.
    for decades women have forced “john doe” to be a father because he “knew” the risk he took when deciding to have intercourse, but this does not apply to women!

    you pro-choice want something to fight about…..
    fight for women’s rights to decide for sterilization!!
    Not after women are 25yrs + or after 2 children!

    For we dont need more irresponsible & ignorant murders procreating when they do decide to have “their REAL baby”!!

    if people are truly concerned for womans rights should they not be fighting for all womans rights & not merely those of their choosing?

  • April in New York

    I have the same impression I did on another of what some call liberal sites: right wingers are blogging aggressively trying to skew the numbers. .

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    The baby is being killed, Helen, not saved via a surgical procedure. As a matter of fact, in surgery we are given pain killers etc. The baby gets nothing. It is human torture.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    PP has 63 clinics that provide Prenatal care out of 800 clinics!!

    Their speciality is abortion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cody.campos.1 Cody Campos

    Does anyone by chance know the statistic on how many children were born with mental illness due to abortion attempts before abortion was legalized as well as now that it’s been legalized? Thank you to anyone with any info!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    OK-seeing as you missed the point. I’ll be clearer–the baby is tortured to death. We don’t do that in medical care in the US. Aren’t you aware of the “pain scales” as our patient rights?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Blessing-Palyo-Herman/1645663293 Blessing Palyo-Herman

    Reply to what???: “”70% of fertilized eggs are aborted”– Seriously?

    You are referring to a “spontaneous abortion” or a miscarriage.
    Don’t mince words to attempt to tell half truths.
    A miscarriage is a natural occurrence.
    A spontaneous abortion is a natural occurrence.
    Abortion is an intentional destruction.
    The two are incomparable.

    My God teaches that the baby in the mom’s womb has the SAME rights as the mom–not more, not less, but equal rights. And if that baby is not a human being–then what is she? Not a turtle, not a tulip, not anything but a human being. Medical, scientific fact.

    If anything–YOUR claim PROVES the point that life is SACRED and to be received as the gift is is!

    Have you ever seen the documentary of the Journey of the Sperm on NG???? Further goes to the case in point that life is sacred.