Poll: NAFTA, 17 years later

How do you feel about NAFTA now?

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  • Anonymous

    1)High U.S. agribusiness subsidies puts independent Mexican farmers out of business. 2) Unemployed farmers have no choice but to work in export factories or subsidized American farms. 3) Mexican imports  and undocumented aliens raises American unemployment and lowers wages in the U.S.. 4) Lower wages forces Americans to spend less, even on low price exports. 5) Decreased exports raises Mexican unemployment. 6) Mexican and American auto workers’ pay  have been cut in half. 7) Corporations increase profits. 8) Profits allow increased Big 2.5 investment in Chinese state owned car factories. 9)
    1. China’s auto exports reached record high in H1

  • Toejoe

    TRUE;TRUE;TRUE: END OF STORY

  • Anonymous

    Well, if the goal of NAFTA was to destroy Michigan’s economy and further corrode the country’s rust belt, mission accomplished!  If it was actually supposed to bring jobs to this country, it was less successful.

  • Nail

    It depends on who you trade with.

    A level playing field is a must you cannot compete with $1 hr

  • Klayneb

    NTK investigated the US side of the NAFTA agreement, but did not tell the story of the workers in Mexico. Does the migration to the north have anything to do with NAFTA? What kind of impact did NAFTA have on the Mexican farmers? 
    NAFTA benefitted Bill Clinton’s corporate cronies and their ilk. What a shame that a democrat betrayed the very people he claimed to represent and propel him to office for two terms. 

  • Rleebue

    A great idea which benefitted many more people than it injured. However, we failed to make allowances for those who were displaced. We owed them help, and didn’t provide it.

  • Lstevs

    Ross Perot said NAFTA would cause a Loud sucking sound of jobs out of America, He was right!!!!!

  • Bbd678

    I agree wirth Demand Sider!!!!!!!!

  • Russell Johnson

    NAFTA did exactly what it was intended to do, destroy unions and the middle class. one of the big winners was Bill Clinton (I’m from Arkansas voted and supported Vill Clinton) who has accumuliated over $100,000,000.00. Ragononomics has worked to perfection and forseeable future will be complete.NO ONE IN  Washington DC cares about American workers.  As for Mr kanto. Screw you  greedy republian 

  • Anneparksjohnson

    NAFTA was already in place.  The fault of “jobs going south,” is not NAFTA’s fault.  1% of the population has gotten tremendously richer at the expense of the Am. middle class.  CEO’s are not paying a living wage, and can pay even less by going to Mexico.  This should not be allowed!  We need to Scandanavianize!  Tax the rich so that it’s not profitable to keep a lot of money.

  • Dragon45692

    Most of my immediate family was laid off when their company abruptly shut down their plant and moved it to Mexico. No warning, they just locked the gates and told us we were permanetly laid. off.
    2 days later several semi trucks showed up and MEXICANS got outt and statred loading up all the equipment to be sent back to Mexico.This was 10 years ago. We got jobs that paids 25% to 50% less.  Our plant was not the only one to close.
     We can not compete with companies making the same products ant a fraction of the cost and our Government sitting by and not only letting it happen but profiting off of it.
      We have learned the hard way to hate big business ans Mexicans.

  • http://socialentrepreneurship.change.org/actions/view/twenty-first_century_metric_america_in_your_state BeholdersEye

    Bill Clinton betrayed us, the People, stating how great a deal this was, but he never told us who wrote up the trade agreement….GOD DAMN CORPORATIONS. No wonder republicans supported this 100%, but the democrats? Democrats lost me as a ‘member’ because of this. Funny, Obama is nothing but a recreation of Bill.

  • Twmorris

    Global trade doesn’t just happen. Corporate management put products designed by, tooling designed by, methods designed by Americans, into cheap labor countries, and buy the cheap products.and transport them to sell to Americans.NAFTA makes it easier for the few making money by that process. Tariffs could prevent that transfer.

  • Anthony Lloyd

    I think the real issue since NAFTA became law is the continuing low wages in Mexico.  I’m pretty sure that those wages have not kept up with inflation.  You would have expected them to rise and for the Mexican economy to prosper.  That has not happened.  Especially at the lower income levels.  So I think the fight is to award our trade agreements to not the lowest paying trading partner, but to the trading partner who allows their own people to prosper with higher wages, universal health and comprehensive education.  .  That is a trading partner who we can feel proud to support with our sales.  Anyone else needs to raise their standards.

  • Anonymous

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  • Rrahenkamp

    During his presidential campanign Ross Perot said of NAFTA, “great sucking sound of jobs leaving the states.” We have, he was right

  • Jane

    Big business is going to look after itself and donate to politics for their betterment. This is why we are having all the camp outs country wide.  Tariffs are the only way to control large corporations and politicians will not take them on because they have investments in these companies and they need the donations for their war chests.  Now that we have NAFTA, we will never again be able to obtain that American Dream.  Our standard of living will go down while growing countries standards will rise.  Eventually there will be an even trend worldwide and only two classes.  The really wealthy and the rest of the world populations.   

  • Rhrobertson

    As a nation, we must manufacture and produce those items which we can most efficiently and cost effectively.  We must create and exploit new or better items which the world needs and wants.  To do so, we must encourage higher education of our youth and implement government policies which will do this.  We must change the super majority required to pass legislation in the US Senate to a simple majority. 

  • Anonymous

    NAFTA was a catastrophic mistake for a number of reasons:

    First, it transferred what would have been US production facilities of European and Asian manufacturers to Mexico, allowing parties that are not even Mexican or Canadian unrestricted access to the US marketplace from Mexican factories.  Had NAFTA NOT been in effect, those Mercedes and Panasonic factories would have been built in the USA and employed US workers, not Mexican workers.

    Second, NAFTA was a HUGE transferance of wealth from workers to to the owners of capital.  Everyone speaks about the cost savings for consumers from NAFTA, but that’s absurd.  The things built in Mexico are just as expensive as they were when they were built in the USA.  The labor savings from low-wages are reallized as additional profits by the owners of capital, NOT as price reductions by American consumers.

    Third, on the Mexican side of the border, low-cost US corn displaced and impoverished hundreds of thousands of Mexican farmers who had grown corn for generations and earned a living.  Those are the “illegal” Mexican workers you see outside of Home Depot, looking for day work.  They had decent lives in Mexico; they’d prefer to be there, not hanging your dry wall.  But NAFTA ruined there livings.

    Its been a catastrophe; an act of treason carried out by those officials who put “one world” above American interests.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah?  Who, exactly, did it “help”?  

  • Roger Says

    Dr. Noreena Hertz at the University of Cambridge states in her book “The Silent Takeover”  the principles of the misnomer Free Market erodes the host democracy as is happening all over the world. 

  • Russell Johnson

    An additional not. Whirlpool anounced yesterday that it is closing it plant in Fort Smith Arkansas. this plant had 4,000 workers and because of NAFTA has shrunk to a little over 1000 and all of these peple will be gone next summer.  The goal to have US workers having the same standard of living of the peasants in Mexico is coming.  The greedy Repubicans are rejoicing and the cowardly Democrates have their open hands behind their back getting their part.

  • Jamrpb

    Mr. H.Ross Perot was ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Your program was SO SLANTED toward the GLOBALISTS/ U.N. Hierarchy view to install the NWO. WE ARE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not The North American Union, as THEY want. We have THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, not The World Trade Organization. America is LESS of a Nation under NAFTA, NOT MORE. If what your program says is true, why are there so many OUT OF WORK? You said there were MORE jobs created than were eliminated. PUR B.S. !! Then China buys up the Mexican Ports to bring their products into the USA, DUTY FREE. That TRANS TEXAS CORRIDOR confiscated lands thru Eminent Domain, screwing the farmers of their land for pennies on the dollar. Mexicans DONT HAVE THAT MUCH MORE MONEY TO BUY OUR PRODUCTS. I can go on & on but the bottom line is…
    A Nation that CANNOT MANUFACTURE ITS OWN GOODS IS SLAVE TO THE MANUFACTURERS THAT SUPPLY US. (All lenses on our CRUISE Missles are made in JAPAN & G.E. will be making engines in COMMUNISTS CHINA..with our technology)
    WE ARE NOT STUPID. There is an INTERNET for us to seminate TRUTH. The MSMedia is a complete JOKE. They KNOW NAFTA was a NEGATIVE, not a POSITIVE for MOST AMERICANS.
    The GLOBALISTS WILL NOT SUCCEED, by the grace of GOD.

  • Dena

    The only thing that improved for America was corporate profits. I know
    some of you in the media find it hard to believe, but there is more to America
    than just Wall Street or Washington, DC. How dare Mr. Meecham tell us that American
    workers are prospering under NAFTA when we see with our own eyes that it is a
    lie!   It is absolutely absurd to expect Americans to
    compete with Mexican workers, whose pay is 1/6h of that of Americans.  You can probably live very well on that
    salary in Mexico, but in this country, we could not even pay our rent with that.  It is the job of OUR government to protect
    us; ALL of us. Instead, they chose to throw American workers to the wolves in
    another social experiment dreamed up by neoliberal globalist, who care for
    nothing except maintaining the elite at the top and forcing global equalization
    of poverty on the rest of us. These masters of the universe will not be happy
    until we’re all living in grass huts… except for our political and financial
    elites of course, who always seem to find a way to prospe

  • Sean

    I’d sure like to know where this “great sucking sound of jobs leaving the states” is since NAFTA when outside of the recent economic downturn unemployment has been a constant 5%.

  • Jamrpb

    Couldn’t AGREE MORE…They are so hell bent on implementing their NWO, but our Constitution is the one, last obsticle for them to destroy. obuma is doing a pretty good job at carrying this out. I wouldn’t be surprized to see so CATASTROPHIC OCCURENCE either delaying the next election or suspending the Constitution. I’m sure they will try to continue to cram Romney down our throat I pray for a TRUE CONSERVATIVE CONSTITUTIONALIST to be elected, NOT SELECTED.

  • Anonymous

    So, if you are part of the corporate or government elite that controls the natural resources and petroleum products necessary to fuel this “free trade” stupidity and greed, things are great. If you are part of  the majority, “free trade” allows the elite to constantly extort concessions from you under threat of outsourcing. The lowest common denominator, of course, is the Chinese dictatorship, and other slave masters all over the world.

  • Sean

    For all these comments about how NAFTA has destroyed American labor and American jobs and harms Americans: How is it that all of that is true and the unemployment figures for the USA has remained steady around 5%, with the exception of the recent economic downturn which has nothing to do with free trade but the housing market? Anyone? I’d sure like an explanation for this.

  • Jamrpb

    I Couldn’t AGREE MORE…They are so hell bent on implementing their NWO, but our Constitution is the one, last obstacle for them to destroy. Obuma is doing a pretty good job at carrying this out. I wouldn’t be surprized to see some CATASTROPHIC OCCURENCE either delaying the next election or suspending the Constitution. I’m sure they will try to continue to cram Romney down our throats. I pray for a TRUE CONSERVATIVE CONSTITUTIONALIST to be elected, NOT SELECTED

  • Anonymous

    ANTI-TRADE WEBSITES:

    NAFTA and the WTO are extraconstitutional mandates of the “One Worlders”; the heirs of Wilson who would prefer to eliminate sovereign national borders and to develop lesser developed nations rather than advance national interests.  Predictably, PBS is happy the ball for that message, which is why tonight’s reporting was so biased.  Here are some great anti-trade websites I urge trade opponents to visit:

    http://www.tradereform.org/

    http://www.tradereform.org/

    And an article about why trade is a scam:

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_7060/is_17_6/ai_n28451958/

    PBS presented globalization as inveitable; as something that cannot be stopped.  Absolute HOGWASH.  

    Rebel.  Resist. Refuse.

  • Dena

    I’m sure it benefitted “many people” but none of them were Americans… unless they happend to be in the corporate board room.  American workers don’t want your sympathy; you owe us nothing.  Our government, however, was elected to ensure that all Americans had an equal chance at success and they threw us under the bus.

  • Sunnycorax

    The consumer who was able to purchase more with there money. I would also go as far to say the Free Trade has do a lot for bringing nations closer together and done tones more than the UN has ever done for world peace.

  • Anonymous

    Unemployment simply measures whether someone is working for wages, not whether those wages are at par with manufacturing wages.  In fact, US wages have barely remained steady or have declined.    According to an NYU professor, the only areas of job growth for working class Americans has been in government or healthcare; nothing else.

  • Dena

    Is this your idea of “world peace”?  really?

  • Anonymous

    Ah, yes…. World Peace.

    Maybe we should name Miss America as the US trade negotiator?

  • Sean

    Are these figures you are using actually adjusted for inflation? Are workers actually earning less or it that they are earning less in cash but you aren’t taking into account in kind benifits (insurance and other not paycheck compensation) is the pay they are making able to get them more in the marketplace. There is more to that statement of US wages falling. What are all the factors involved in that?

  • Sean

    Where nations work and produce together in a true capitalist economy where they are more concerned about producing trading and working with each other than lobbing bombs at each other. Yes I would think that is a great world to strive for.

  • Anonymous

    I just watched tonight’s episode of need to know, and I need to know why more balance wasn’t presented. So called free trade has been good creating profit for executives, and the investor class, the rich in other words, and negative for labor, and placed it’s value at the bottom, turning the middle class into the new poor. Chasing forever after the cheapest labor cost is a lowest common denominator concept, and if it increases productivity for the corporation, the profit goes to the top. I challenge former trade representative Kantor to prove his statement that five times as many jobs were created as were lost. I wish the host had challenged Kantor more. Show me the state by state statistics that back up his statement, because I have seen stats that show that many more jobs were lost than gained. The logic behind the argument that cheaper and ever cheaper labor costs is a benefit to laborers is absurd, and simply the propaganda of the elite. Please visit this web site, and check out the research of Robert E. Scott. http://www.epi.org/publication/briefingpapers_bp147/

    Totals of all states jobs lost and gained, directly attributed to NAFTA: 794,174 gained, and 1,673,453 lost, for a net loss of 879,280 If these trade agreements were so good for America, prove it, don’t take the word of a former trade rep who has to sleep at night, so has deluded hiomself into believing his own propaganda.

  • Anonymous

    Consider the environmental aspects of “free trade”. Should you recycle, rebuild, or fix  your water pump or TV, or just dump it and buy another sent via petroleum fueled tanker from  a state owned factory in China?  You’ll probably dump it.

    This is NOT free trade. This is strengthening dictatorship, NOT spreading Democracy. This is NOT efficient. This is asinine.

  • Anonymous

    You should be able to find support for it all over the internet. It has been widely reported.

  • Dena

    I suspect that’s because Wal-Mart never hires one person for a 40 hour week; they hire 2 people working 30 hours each. 

    According to your logic,  we should all be happy we have a job at McDonalds paying $8.00 an hour and forget the jobs at Westinghouse where we used to make $20. with healthcare and a retirement plan thrown in.

    American workers have not had a real income gain in 30 years, and those 1% at the top, the only ones that benefitted from NAFTA, saw their income increase by over 275%. 

  • http://twitter.com/voteropt Glenn Koslowsky

    NAFTA was a creation of lawyers  who themselves promoted their own agenda for their careers in government service. This is apparent by all of the other trade agreements the US has negotiated since NAFTA by (Eric Cantor et el). They will never admit NAFTA failed in its objectives, just look at the IMPORT/EXPORT statistics provided by the department of Commerce.  The US has an unfavorable balance of trade with over 90% of all nations.  A major factor in addition to jobs lost is that we have also severely reduced the revenues produced by imports to the national treasury. Yes our foreign competitors paid fair tariffs to our government while protecting our domestic factories. Foreign markets are to this day not as receptive or fair to US Products other than raw materials and food commodities and a couple of tech products.  The lawyers and lobbyists who formulated failed to consider the consequences of these lost tariff revenues and its impact on domestic manufactures. As an example the Auto Industry in the 1970′s and 80′s lost market share as we reduced our tariffs from 8% on FOB Cost to an average of 4% today. So while Japan and Germany increased US market share we added to their profits by reducing tariffs by 50%. What country would reduced tariffs while losing jobs and industrial plants, only the US.  Oh yes they did build auto assembly plants (parts, engines/trans foreign made) throughout the southern US but by no measure offsetting the jobs lost or related mfg base in the US.
    The American taxpayer now has to make up for the lost federal import taxes which by the way accounted for close to 40% of total federal revenues  in the 1960′s.   Let’s change NAFTA and GATT as well to mutually benefit the US and our trading partners.

  • Sean

    “American workers have not had a real income gain in 30 years”

    Wrong. Adjusted for inflation median household income in the US has grown about $5,000 since 1980. NAFTA has benefited consumers in the goods they can purchase and of course it is going to help the business the profit from the trade. 

  • Sean

    Only if she has a nice rack. :p

  • elchulo

    I support globalization.  Let’s globalize:  workers minimum wage, workers rights,  workers health care. etc.  Short of doing so globalization is just code speak for:  exploitation of the worlds weakest, poorest people.

  • Dena

    Please name one country that has a “true capitalist economy.”  It sure is not ours, which just pledged billions of taxpayer money to bail out the banks, GM, etc.  Maybe China?  Mexico?  Name one… just one.  Trading and working together sounds like fun.. assuming we all start the race on the same line and all rules apply equally to all.  Until that happens, it’s just a race to the bottom for workers.

  • Jamrpb

    Since you VOTED for Slick Willie..(how many times?) they I guess you deserve what he lied to America about. We SHOULD HAVE  listened to Mr. Perot. He ‘told it like it is” We wouldn’t be in anywhere near the crap we’re in today if only we listened to the TRUTH, Not just what Clinto was a master at..TELLING US WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR.
    I feel for Jennifer Flowers, paula Jones, Monica Lowinski..etc., etc.  & all the ones we’ll never know about. Republican or Democrat..they just want the NWO/ Globalism to be instituted.

  • Sean

    Minimum Wage is horrible. All it does is inject higher amounts of unemployment into the economy. I am all for workers rights and workers getting health care through there business should it be provided. There should be laws on the books to make sure that businesses don’t exploit or scam workers. 

    It also however is completely untrue that Globalization is exploiting the poor. If you would care to tell me, what jobs exactly would the poor in those poorer countries (much different from being poor in the US) have? Working long hours in the field for little pay, scavenging, prostitution? The work provided to them is largely much greater than even the median household income of the nation. So who exactly is being exploited here?

  • Jamrpb

    Since you VOTED for Slick Willie..(how many times?) then I guess you deserve what he lied to America about. We SHOULD HAVE listened to Mr. Perot. He ‘told it like it is” We wouldn’t be in anywhere near the crap we’re in today if only we listened to the TRUTH, Not just what Clinton was a master at..TELLING US WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR. Who’s worse? Clinto or Obuma?
    I feel for Jennifer Flowers, paula Jones, Monica Lowinski..etc., etc. & all the ones we’ll never know about. Republican or Democrat..they just want the NWO/ Globalism to be instituted.     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RL5KXR6DSO2ALWWARVRVS24WTM pygme

     I am retired now but I know that manufacturing pulled us out of the last two “recessions”. This is the feild I worked in. I began working in a cotton mill at age 14 after school. In the 52 years I worked all the jobs that I have had have gone overseas except for 3. Some of these jobs were union and some were not. They are still gone. Textile, steel, telephone, electronics, many plastics, food, paper, wiring. The jobs that did not go away were health care, goverment contractor, auto manufacturing. Oh, and insurance. And, yes I am a college grad. I don’t know the answer but I am tired of hearing go to college. Number one most can not afford it, number two college is not for everyone. I personally am against any and all free trade agreements. I try not to buy anything not made here and unless it is a necessity I would rather do without it. Mr. Regan and Mr. Bush said I was a protectionist. Maybe.

  • Dena

    I don’t know what world you’re living in Sean, but companies nowadays don’t pay “benefits”

  • Sean

    Just because we aren’t there now doesn’t mean it isn’t something we should strive for. By that logic because we can’t put a man on Mars right now we shouldn’t even try.

  • Sean

    Oh really. I work right now with a company that I get free life insurance. I also have health insurance through them and come January of next year I will be eligible to start contributing to a 401K. 

    And this is at an entry level job working as a server getting payed $8-9 an hour.

  • Anonymous

    Trade agreements by their very nature create mostly low paying jobs, as the cost and value of labor are driven to a lowest common denominator. That does nothing for the workers, but cheapen their worth to increase productivity, thus profit for the corporate owners. Sure there are crappy jobs, and you may need two or three now to come close to what you could make once upon a time in America with one. The family paradigm also shifted along with the job market, because families can’t afford to spend time together working multiple low wage jobs, with little or no benefits. Just walk around the dark streets of any major city to see the results, if you dare.

     Economics 101, share of national labor stays constant with capitol, but the new paradigm that corresponds with the “free trade” one world labor market, has broken the mold, and it has been heading down right along with these so called free trade agreements, that necessitate that each country does what it can do the cheapest, and abandon the rest, to increase corporate profits for the investor class. And again, that brings the value of labor to a lowest common denominator of value that no amount of education for the masses will ever balance out.  America has thus been turned into an oligarchy, and the fact that neither of the two major political parties have done a thing for the American worker for over thirty years is proof.

  • Jbrunciter

    Globalization (the wortld-wide race to the bottom) is the result of specific decisions made by politicians at the behest of international corporations, decisions that could be undone. Globalization is in no sense inevitable, a “given”, or an act of God – even though all of the mainstream media articles you will read assume that it  is.
    It is the product of unbridled greed and total disregard for humanity.   

  • Jamrpb

    You heard of…WARS? It’s the fuel of the MILITARY/INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX that Eisenhower warned us about. It’s been the Globalists tool for instituting the NWO since before Vietnam.

  • Sean

    Once you figure out a reason why wars would help a Globalized economy where each nation relies on the other for trade, labor, and production type it out and get back to me.

  • Jamrpb

    Sean, what rock did you crawl out from under? Unemployment figures only show those who are collecting, not those out of work or stopped looking or are under-employed. 5%…you got to be joking. Presently, we’re around 15-18% depending on where in the country you live. Blacksare at 20-24%. STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID.

  • Leticia Cortez

    Nothing Chulo about your way of thinking. The act of exploitation only benefits those who exploit, not the majority of the population who ends up suffering including workers as well as consumers. Learn some history or just visit China or Mexico or any city in the U.S. who has lost manufacturing jobs to due to NAFTA, CAFTA or any other of this disgusting trade agreements, who only benefit major corporate CEOs.
     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UALCU2YVLWKL5KZWWJH7D3JPWE Artemis Lance

    Sean: Real unemployment among native-born US citizens hasn’t been 5% for at least 2 if not 3 decades, to say nothing of underemployment.  Also, a big part of the housing market problem is that we, the American people have been supporting housing for illegal aliens.  The illegal aliens were given loans with government loan guarantees. When they couldn’t pay them back, the market collapsed.  The whole thing was a pyramid scheme.  Pyramid schemes always fail eventually. 

  • Dena
  • The old guy

    Knowledgeable people remind us that US corn dumped on the Mexican market have been forcing Mexican farmers off their farms.  Guess where they go to find jobs?

  • Dena

    Weapon manufacturing is one of the world’s largest industries.  Too much money in it to stop.  There will always be reasons for war.  We just need to make sure that those who start them are on the front lines.

  • Sean

    I think you need to distinguish my argument for free trade from the words you are putting into my mouth. I do not support government stealing money from people to prop up and basically rig the housing market to make it easier for the poor to get housing.

    Irregardless if you are figuring for the other variables outside of what the US government sets for its unemployment numbers, like underemployment and those that have given up looking for jobs, the rates are steady. NAFTA has done nothing to harm or hinder employment. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UALCU2YVLWKL5KZWWJH7D3JPWE Artemis Lance

    Sean:  We can no longer afford a family with 2 children.  That used to be the norm.  We can no longer afford a new car every 15-20 years.  That used to be the norm.  With the exception of electronic toys, everything costs more in terms of the number of hours that you have to work for it than it did 20 years ago.  We have traded a home and a family for a computer.  In what universe is that a good return on our investment?

  • fedup

    THANK YOU SO MUCH for providing this much needed and enlightening information regarding the down side of NAFTA  which the Need To Know program creators chose to omit from their presentation.

  • Sean

    Once again this changes nothing. If you have a globalized economy, are you really going to want to bomb Poland if they are busy as bees building the planes you plan to bomb them with. If you do go to war you can, but all it is going to do is kill the economy and everyone loses.

  • Sean

    Irregardless if you are figuring for the other variables outside of what the US government sets for its unemployment numbers, like underemployment and those that have given up looking for jobs, the rates are steady. NAFTA has done nothing to harm or hinder employment.

  • Sean
  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UALCU2YVLWKL5KZWWJH7D3JPWE Artemis Lance

    Dear JAMRPB:  I gave money to the Clinton campaign in 1992.  By 1996, I joined the Reform Party and voted for Ross Perot because Clinton supported the 2-pronged fork of the slave labor movement: unlimited immigration and “free trade.”  By 2000, despite being an avid environmentalist who recognizes the importance of allowing elective abortion in order to stave off overpopulation, I was even willing to vote for Pat Buchanan.
    You tell it like it is! Keep talking! Keep fighting!  I am with you!

  • Grandkids45

    I live next door to Mexico. The Mexican has been exploited by huge companies seeking cheap labor.  Earning $25.00 a week is not my idea of making the Mexican richer. Quality has also deteriorated.

    The American people are without jobs, but we are let to believe American is lucky because we can buy items cheaply but how can we buy if we do not have jobs and our main priority is putting food on our family’s table.

    We are a materialistic society, when something breaks we throw it away and buy another. 
    The only ones making money are the huge companies who are providing us with poor quality items, low wages to those in foreign countries and un-employment in our country. 

    We, the consumer, is also responsible for setteling for less and having a TV in every room has become our identity.

    NAFTA was not a well thought out plan, it was an immediate action to immediate issues but there was no vision.  It is scary to know that when we pass laws we never re-visit them to see if they are working or not.

    NAFTA has bombed. 

  • Bennie Beaver

    The NAFTA Need To Know show ignores the fact that some 15 to 20 million people are out of work.  America has given away too much of its heavy industries needed for security.  Outsourcing has benefited the rich corporations ten to a hundred times more than the American people.  The promised job to replace those lost jobs have turned out to be a financial house of money changers trading money to make money, and realtors trading houses to make money.  Now that the house of cards has collapsed we see what is left…millions of people out of work, and politicans still promising a bright future…for themselves.

    Yes, globalization may be here to stay, but there must be a grand renegotiating of NAFTA to make it fair.  We can not continue to believe that we can have free trade with dictatorial nations that control their slave labor and money on world markets.  A ball team would never consider competing with another team playing by different rules.

    THE RICH EAT MIDDLE-CLASS’S LUNCH:
     
     
    The rich have eaten America’s middle-class lunch.  It’s pretty much gone, folks.  Those business and jobs have been outsourced to dictatorial and other slave labor nations.  The great advantage of lower prices to Americans has largely played itself out by now as jobs have disappeared that pay for them, and the greatest advantage has been ten to a hundred times more profitable for the corporations.  Those rich corporations now have some two to three trillion dollars in cash in the bank (I’m independent), and too many silly Americans are about to vote back into power the rich-man lovers of the Republican Party.  They want to give the rich-man and corporations another three trillion in tax breaks so that they may then, trickle some of that money back down to you…making you feel a little better for a while.  All the while the rich-man’s wealth will soar another 6 to 10 times your middle and lower classes just as it did in the last 25 years (Exception: Warren Buffet who says to tax wealth more).  The end result of the rich-man’s power will mean that you could become a slave, not so much to government, but to a rich-man, nineteenth-century-like robber-baron oligarchy.  This slight-of-hand may make you feel good imagining that you’re getting ahead, but the truth could enslave you.
     
    The last time that our economy was anywhere close to “balanced” was at the end of President Clinton’s presidency.  Yet, it was in the Clinton presidency that free trade got its green light.  Both parties got on the gravy train for a feeding frenzy, and neither party wanted to get off before 2008.  After that, the bulk of jobs created in America were by the money changers who created a house of financial cards.  When the house of cards collapsed in 2008 left was service jobs that begin to disappear.  It is now easier to see how those politicians and corporations have sold us down the river.  Wealth will fight through the media and paid-off politicians to keep the wool over your eyes, but hope may rise above the deception, and the truth can set you free.
     
    The facts are that President Obama inherited an economic disintegration comparable only to the 1929 depression.  He and his team tried to repeat some of President Roosevelt’s economist John Maynard Keynesian theories expressing ideas that to extract a failing economy from depression would be to spend money only in the interim to encourage job creation; thereby, resulting in people purchasing goods that companies must hire to produce; thereby creating a cycle that could continue…thereafter, rebalancing the economy.  That plan worked well between 1933 and 1937 with laggard job creation when the government again – too soon – stop spending, and the economy again begin to fail until the Second World War when our government spent much more money, up to 110-plus percent of GDP.  President Obama’s administration has not spent over 65 to 70 percent of GDP to date.  Largely because of the Republican Party of “no”, Nobel Prize winner for economic Paul Krugman, now with the New York Times, says that we did not spend enough money to faithfully test a Keynesian extraction plan.  He said, that it’s not rocket science to understand that companies will not hire before they have new customers buying their products.  It is a cyclic kind of quandary to understand that businesses need customers in order to hire, and people need jobs in order to purchase goods.  This quandary is around the issues whereupon all the differing debates on how to stimulate a failing economy come from.  It seems that the Republican side believe that lowering the tax and regulations on businesses will encourage them to create jobs.  The Keynesian plan says that in hard depressed times governments must temporarily spend on needed public infrastructures and research to help lower cost and create an impetus for businesses to begin hiring again.
     
    I agree with President Obama’s Keynesian methodology, but also, agree that he has not been given enough time and support from the Republican side to truly test that plan.  He, or any party, should be given at least four full years to try such a plan.  Virtually, all major economist believed that it could take ten years, or more for our economy to recover from this economic morass largely created by out-of-control under regulated financial greed.  The President should be given another four years to truly implement a plan that did have us growing up to about 3% before the Republican again created a further failing over the debt limit, and this after Japan’s Sonoma and its effects on markets, and Middle Eastern turmoil and oil supply fears, etc.  Now we have a European financial quagmire to weary about.
     
    The facts are that, because of the action taken by President Obama’s team, American banks and corporations are now on good footing.  The Corporations are making money all-be-it overseas.  American Corporations don’t need more money from taxes.  They need to start paying their fair share to rebuild America, or be forced to build in America if they hope to sell their slave labor goods in America.  They and us need to make up our minds about competing with slave labor.  I ask why it is not right for every company to build – at the prevailing wage levels – in a country those products they hope to sell in a country.  Why shouldn’t it be just as illegal to ship slave labor goods into America as it is to smuggle drugs into America.  This outsourcing has been stealing away America’s basic job creating industries while the rich have benefited many times more than it has saved American consumers.
     
    Aside from some ideas mentioned above, companies will not return to America with those lost industries without coercion, or America gets smart and begins to make uses of its technologies and automation to compete with slave labor.  I understand that Germany is automating to the hilt to compete with slave labor and retain more of their heavy industries.  America should do the same and do it smaller and locally.  No more agglomerate industries to control our lives, folks!  The lives of ordinary men may be at risk in the near future as science and technology replace all labor jobs, and much more.  However, that is where life is headed and America must be out front to embrace new technologies and at the same time to bring it back smaller and locally to the individual as portable power and empowerment, or the rich may own it all, to the chagrin of the ordinary man’s power to defend his independence and freedom (http://www.saveyourfactory.com/).
     
    Vote another Democrat majority back into congress along with President Obama for his two term opportunity to truly test a Keynesian economic solution, or be left having never learnt anything, having never fully tested it.  Yes, the Second World War was a different time and America was the only industrial power still intact when we spent 110 percent of GDP, but somehow we must get people back to work or we could find that America is back in a revolutionary mode that could make the riots in England seem like a Garden Party.
     
    If it doesn’t work, I’ll vote Republican, or for some other reasonable sounding candidate and plan.
     
    http://www.drwarpenstein.com
    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” ~ Einstein

  • Dena
  • Sean

    First Link: Yes well when you have a government that makes stupid laws that force up the cost of health care of course it is going to be the first thing the employer is going to drop when figuring the cost of the employee. 

    Second Link: Ya well when the government makes a stupid law that makes it cheaper to not provide health care than to provide health care, then yes stupid law will make everyone look stupid for making said stupid law.

  • Sean
  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UALCU2YVLWKL5KZWWJH7D3JPWE Artemis Lance

    Dear JAMRPB:  Speaking of suspending the Constitution, did you know that the Clinton administration actually planned to eliminate the enumeration of the populus, in clear violation of the Constitution.  They thought that the 2000 Census would be the last one.  Although they did not achieve that, they did not allow census workers to ask if people were US citizens or not.  If everyone is counted equally, then areas with more foreigners get more members of Congress.  Therefore, they have representation in our government.  Is it any wonder that we can’t get Congress to work for us?

  • Lynn

    We have lived in our current home for 11 years.  We are two people in our 70s.  We just bought our third refrigerator.  Sales people tell us all refrigerators are made in the same factories… there is no difference except design.  All have been made with such thin plastic and such terrible construction the insides just breaks apart.  They are thousands dollar junk.

  • Dena

    In the end, it really doesn’t matter if we approve of NAFTA or not.  It also does not matter that the people of Europe do not want the European Union.  The masters of the universe have decided that we WILL be under one world government and that’ s the way it will be.  Anyone who objects will be taken care of by the drones.  Just sit back and enjoy your children, while you can.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UALCU2YVLWKL5KZWWJH7D3JPWE Artemis Lance

    Dear RHrobertson:  It all sounds really good, until you realize that we even though we can’t afford to educate our own children, we are giving away an education to millions of people from around the world every year.  This will only cause us to go broke, and since after we educate them they tell us we must let them stay and take the jobs away from us and our children, we lose out on an exponential scale.  Because many of the people coming to the US for a government sponsored education are from the overpopulated second and third world countries, they get to claim “minority” status.  “Minority” status gives them preference for positions in education and jobs as well as preference in grant and loan funding.  However, while they may not be part of the ethnic ”Majority” in this country, they are in the rest of the world and they outnumber native-born US citizens about 24 to 1.  Yes, we should educate our youth, but not the youth of the entire world.  Furthermore, as I with a Ph.D. and many of my unemployed and underemployed highly educated friends can tell you, an education, in a globalized world where we US citizens are disadvantaged does not guarantee you a job or decent living wage.

  • Sean

    Yes trade agreements cause desperately poor families in poor countries to make a living that can support their family. I fail to see any problem with this. Especially when it means that a laptop that 2 years ago that would cost $500 cost $400. I find that you are only looking at one beneficiary and trying to condemn the whole operation based on that one beneficiary. But you are completely missing the others in the picture. The consumer who can get more for their money. The people in the US who are able to take less back breaking jobs and leave the labor to other countries and have a higher standard of living in both countries.

    It’s sad that you pervert the idea of capitalism into this evil thing. Of course companies are going to try and find the cheapest labor so they can provide a better cheaper product that their prospective customer is going to want to by. And no this doesn’t destroy education because their are going to be jobs that some man or women in China is not going to be able to do. They may have the infrastructure and knowledge build a microchip but they don’t have enough to be able to test it or to put it properly into the computer that it is going to. 

    I strongly suggest that you watch the 1980′s 10 part series Free To Choose by Milton Friedman.

  • Dnurski

    The reality is that there has never been such as thing as free or fair trade and U.S. corporations have demonstrated this reality by shipping, what were U.S. manufacturing plants, out of country.  Then by their design they get to sell those U.S. corporation products, made elsewhere, back to U.S. markets for the same price as if they were made in the U.S.  It’s a great system.  No U.S. taxes or U.S employee pay & benefits or environmental constraints or legal liabilities etc. etc.  General Electric’s CEO Welch mastered this “outsourcing” system.  Oh and corporations should not be allowed to be considered as persons………unless considered criminal ones

  • Sean

    So what your saying is that corporations shouldn’t be considered a person protected under constitution and the Bill of Rights. 

    Cool I’ll make sure to tell my congressmen the next silly thing I hear out of the mouth of someone at MSNBC or Fox News to have the company loose it’s rights to air on cable television because I mean after all “it shouldn’t be a person.”

  • Brandon

    My strawman: “Trade that is not balanced is not free”.

    We cannot and have never been able to internally provide everything we need and desire, going back as far as the first European settlers. The real issue here is not that some number of jobs are lost to foreign competition, it is where does it end?

    The major problem, in my opinion, with the “free trade” agreements we have today is they contain no moderating feature to encourage balanced trade in both directions. We have the technology to nearly instantaneously measure all foreign trade from individual countries and automatically adjust import tariffs to moderate that trade until it comes back into balance.

    When I say “all trade” I mean ALL trade, not only manufactured goods. We need to include services, information, and arts. Your show focused on a few manufacturing jobs. The professional ranks are draining just as fast today as manufacturing did over the last two decades. Very few vocations or professions are immune directly, with the possible exception of some government jobs. The vocations that cannot be offshored (construction, a few sales jobs, personal services and the like) are dependent on internal wealth being available to support them. 

    The long term effect is that our standard of living, consumer and environmental protections must decrease to the point where we can compete at the same wages as those we are competing against. Where will we finally find equilibrium? When all but a fortunate few are living in thatched huts? That’s not my vision of the “American dream”, and probably not the vision of most other US citizens.

    No amount of investment in education, training, infrastructure or government job subsidies will reverse this. It’s just money down the drain. Money we need to shore up the safety net in the short term. The Federal government has a reasonable and necessary role moderating foreign trade for the good of it’s citizens and it needs to step in to correct the imbalance before it’s too late. As it stands there is no incentive to employ US workers – and every competitive disincentive. How can company A reasonably compete with company B when company B’s labor is a fraction and it does not have to abide by the same environmental and consumer protections?

    There is truly no reason why a global company cannot maintain service, manufacturing, and development facilities in several countries to supply that country’s markets. No matter how much they howl, if it makes economic sense they will do it. The dirty secret is that they never expected to sell goods manufactured in Japan to Japanese or in China to Chinese. Or software written in India to Indians. Or IT services run from Brazil to Brazilians. Or refrigerators in Mexico to Mexicans.

    We were told for years by these companies that we could not compete because our educational standards were too low. Now we find that was so much hot air – these foreign workers are by and large much less educated and not nearly as career focused as US workers, but they are (for now) much cheaper.  

    The last thing we need is more interminable trade negotiations that are not abided by and are always out of date. Instead, tie the  import tariffs rate inversely to each individual country’s US trade deficit percentage and equilibrium will be established with a healthy economy on both sides. We can automate this so it does not require sessions of congress adjust individual rates and make it perfectly equitable so no one country feels that they are being unfairly penalized. It would not matter if China (for example) shipped to us through Madagascar as long as Madagascar imported and paid for the same value of US goods, services, and information.

  • TheQuestioner

    I don’t believe the show gave a comprehensive picture of all the reasons jobs have moved out of the US:
    1. Unions increasing wages/benefits until they are totally noncompetitive
    2. Medical inflation far outstripping other costs and making benefits too expensive
    3. Excessive regulation at the federal, state and local levels
    4. Golden retirement plans
    Another stress on the average American family is llegal aliens making legal US citizens foot the bill for their public services and competing for jobs here on an unlevel playing field.

    We had a little pity party here listening to that family’s plight.  They obviously were making very high wages to build refrigerators with high school educations–$30?.  We have had stagnant wages in the $12-15 range and partial unemployment for the last four years and nobody is offering us retraining.  I have a college education and have worked 4 yrs in HR as a semi-professional.  I don’t know enough from this show to know if NAFTA is good or bad, but I do know it is not the main factor.

  • Brandon

    Automation won’t do didly – it’s easy enough to ship the machines abroad.

  • fedup

    Oh poor Sean.  You are so hideously misinformed spewing all that Milton Friedman nonsense.  You must be a product of one of those “for profit” charter schools that sadly are metastasizing across this country and sucking our educational standards into the sewer while the share holders of these corporate charter schools are skimming their big fat profits off this big fat scam all at the ultimate expense of we the tax payers!!!!!!

  • Sammy

    your an idiot.

  • Anonymous

    Average auto worker wages in Mexico and the United States have been halved. 

  • Sean

    “The major problem, in my opinion, with the “free trade” agreements we have today is they contain no moderating feature to encourage balanced trade in both directions.”
    “But even when the international market of labor is seen to work to everyone’s advantage people still put up arguments against it. The usual argument against complete free trade is that cheep labor abroad will take away from jobs at home. Well what is cheap? Japanese workers are payed in Yen and American workers are payed in Dollars, how do we compare the Yen to the Dollar? We need some way of transforming the one into the other. That is where the exchange rate enters in, the price of Yen in terms of the Dollar. Suppose at some exchange rate Japanese goods are cheaper than American goods in terms of the Dollar. We will be buying much from Japan and selling very little to them, but what will the Japanese do with the extra Dollars they earn? They don’t want to buy American goods, by assumption those are all dear. They want to buy Japanese goods, but to buy Japanese goods they need Yen. Calls will come in from all over the world offering to by Yen for Dollars, but there will be more offer to buy Yen then to sell Yen. In order to get customers those offering to buy will have to raise the price. The price of Yen in terms of Dollars will go up. What happens when the price of Yen in terms of Dollars goes up? Japanese labor is not so cheap. Japanese goods are no longer so attractive to American consumers. On the other hand American labor is no longer so dear to the Japanese. American goods are more attractive to the Japanese.”

    This is how through market forces that the trade imbalance would correct itself. 

  • Samidaho

    Your a pathetic cold, educated idiot. HR? Thats a wimp job, you dont do any thing but enforce GOVERNMENT and STATE REGULATIONS. Your a hypocrite, go get yourself a real job and then come back and see how it is to work hard for a wage, like these people do. You wouldn’t last 1 day.  

  • Anonymous

    Ad hominem attack. You must be winning the argument.

  • Sean

    Aw poor fedup you couldn’t actually come up with a real argument to debunk mine so you decided to resort to an ad hominem. Better luck next time.

  • Anonymous

    Germany went to war when it was ready.

  • Anonymous

    HOUSEHOLD! what’s PER CAPITA, real, median wages adjusted for inflation?

    I’ll be waiting for your answer.

  • Samidaho

    We cant continue to be a consumer oriented nation, we’ve done this way to long, no one has a single idea on how to create jobs because of our decrease in manufacturing and massive dependence on imports.  Oh sure the economics in the show say NAFTA really helped consumers…with cheap shit.  We need to get back to producing our own goods and then we will be prepared for poor economic situations.

  • Sean

    Fair enough but what was the economic consequences for the rest of the world including Germany because of that. While I can understand the argument for the warning against the MIC that Eisenhower made, you can not say that economic growth for anyone comes out of war, even for the winners. All war is even for the richest is economic destruction.

  • Anonymous

    Unfortunately, we don’t have cost effective universal health care, so private insurance companies are gobbling up any increases.

  • Anonymous

    Read Sun Tzu. Why fight a war? It’s the RESULT that counts.

  • Evavrgs

    I agree with you TOTALLY for the same reasons.

  • Sealisa

    We have to decide if profit is the only important goal. Any agreements based on this alone does not serve the humanity involved. We can participate in globalization that is based on more balanced fairness in terms of labor costs and environmental and human conditions. Ruthless globalization is not the only choice and hiring bottom wage labor demeans everyone.

  • Sean

    http://www.davemanuel.com/median-household-income.php
    Based on US Census data

    1980 – Real Median Income: $16,642 Adjusted for Inflation: $44,616
    2010- Real median Income: $48,753 Adjusted for Inflation: $49,445

  • Anonymous

    How do we order more rare earth minerals from China if we were to go toe to toe with them? That’ll be awkward.

  • Evavrgs

    All I have to say is FOLLOW THE MONEY! It was for the corporate good. Need I say more.

  • Brandon

    1. Agreed. Same thing happened with software developers in the 90′s and there aren’t many unions to cast blame on there. Competition is a good thing, but radical swings in economic conditions are not. We need our government to help moderate and smooth out those transitions, not eliminate them or try to spend our way back to prosperity. The guv’mint pumping money in now is just throwing good after bad. T. Boone Pickens was half right, but it wasn’t just oil that’s killing us.

    2. So we need to remove that responsibility from the employers entirely. 100% free market (buy your own insurance, or not) or 100% government benefit, same level of service to all. I hate big government but big insurance isn’t proving much different in the long term. Is it? Managed care, limited benefits, high premiums. What’s the difference?

  • Brandon

    1. Agreed. Same thing happened with software developers in the 90′s and there aren’t many unions to cast blame on there. Competition is a good thing, but radical swings in economic conditions are not. We need our government to help moderate and smooth out those transitions, not eliminate them or try to spend our way back to prosperity. The guv’mint pumping money in now is just throwing good after bad. T. Boone Pickens was half right, but it wasn’t just oil that’s killing us.

    2. So we need to remove that responsibility from the employers entirely. 100% free market (buy your own insurance, or not) or 100% government benefit, same level of service to all. I hate big government but big insurance isn’t proving much different in the long term. Is it? Managed care, limited benefits, high premiums. What’s the difference?

  • Sean

    Interestingly enough it did a lot of good for everyone else along the way. As you said, follow the money.

  • Sean

    Interestingly enough it did a lot of good for everyone else along the way. As you said, follow the money.

  • Anonymous

    Gobbled up by insurance. Why are you including insurance premiums? I can’t pay for food with my insurance card. BTW, as YOU know, our food is cheap BECAUSE of government subsidies. This functions as a 1,2 punch for U.S.manufacturers. Agribusiness puts poor farmers out of work, they have no where to go but American poultry plants and farms, or go work for a maquiladora.

    This is how it’s going in Haiti, also. Clinton has apologized for it.

  • Sean

    Ok? And you have statistical data proving this I assume?

  • Sean

    Yes. And did WW2 get the political result the allies wanted? Yes. Does that mean the economy didn’t suffer? No.

  • Anonymous

    Anybody here NOT seeing double digit increases in private insurance premiums?

    There bloated profits and astronomical salaries tell the story.

  • Erikod

    PBS chooses to interview Cantor — architect of NAFTA — to learn whether NAFTA was, on balance, good or not for the US? Now there’s a truly “fair and balanced” report (sarcasm intended), and then he was allowed to get away with saying that the US experienced a “net increase” in jobs on account of NAFTA. Oh, really? Who says, Cantor? And what kind of jobs, anyway? I’ll tell you what kind (undocumented, as was Cantor’s assertion): We gave up well-paying manufacturing jobs for a flood of dirt-wage retail jobs selling (on credit, during the credit binge) finished goods made elsewhere. This report was PBS at its worst: superficial, lacking in serious analysis, not worth the time I spent watching it and certainly not worth the frustration of seeing the continued decline in reportage by this formerly esteemed operation.

  • Anonymous

    How different would the world have been if we’d stop selling Japan steel BEFORE the rape of Nanking>

  • Serenowens

    Do the people on Need to Know in their fancy ties and with big salaries really understand what they are talking about?  When was the last time they had to work for a living?  Why weren’t job security and massive aid for those who lost their jobs made part of the agreement-Paid for by the company, not the taxpayer.  Greed is the only reason to move jobs overseas.  These companies could still make profit over here but maybe they would have to give their CEOs a more modest salary and retirement!  

    What about environmental concerns?  Are we going to buy products from companies that don’t care whether they destroy the Earth for our children and grandchildren just to make an obnoxious profit.  True patriots would keep their manufacturing plants in the United States.  We can’t be the model for the world, unless you think greed is the appropriate model.

    Ross Perot was right about the great sucking sound to the South.

  • Sean

    You might want to tilt your head so the politicians in Washington who caused that problem might hear you.

  • Sean

    No different. The Japanese needed trade to fuel their war machine. In the end the would have declared war to get the supplies they needed. That was the politics of their actions.

  • Anonymous

    Having read some Adam Smith, my shoes, my car parts, my computer, are American made whenever possibly. I have called approximately 30 members of the house and senate about this issue. Believe it or not, I’m not omnipotent. I can only inform, and hope the chips of logic fall where they may.

  • Sean

    You know your the second person to put words into my mouth on government policies tonight. I am not in favor of government subsidies of any kind to any business. That being said, you have to look at things in terms of the employer. When they figure your labor insurance is a cost to them and it is part of your benefits and compensation. It really is part of your income to have the benefit of your employer paying your insurance. You can if you wish choose not to take that option and instead by compensated in complete cash which is just fine as well. That being said when you look at worker compensation there is just more than what is on your check stub.

    I also could care less if Clinton apologized for NAFTA. It doesn’t change the fact that it was a net good for the nation. 

  • Anonymous

    They can declare, but until they drop that steel on somebody, nobody really cares.

  • Anonymous

    It has been good for the idle wealthy, and a select few. And I

    MUST, repeat, MUST have over priced private insurance at my employer.

  • Sean

    Fair enough. 

  • Bob Thomasson

    I don,t know Mickey Kantor but he sure sounds absurd talking enforcing trade conditions in another country. RIGHT ! CAPital has bought everything there is to buy,the Lincoln bedroom,Gongress and Mr. Kantor is just another tool of capital.Look what Happened In France around 1775 with Marie -Anne Twenet.If I ever get to meet Mr. Kanter I plan on showing the American product I got from Smith and Wesson. I hope the rest of the 99% is as angry as I am.  Bob Thomasson

  • Sean

    Yes well Japan had that flashy way of waiting till they dropped the bombs to say we hate you in really pretty language on a piece of paper so I doubt very much anyone would have waited very long for them to drop said steal from the sky.

  • Sean

    I would recommend once again blaming the true source of that problem again, the US government. 

  • Anonymous

    Well, they could have dropped paper bombs without our steel, but nobody would have cared

  • Sky King

    What we needed was “FAIR TRADE” not “FREE TRADE” agreements. How is it FAIR if the US companies rightfully have to abide by minimum wage, minimum working age, enviornmental requirements, and human rights when NAFTA’s trading partners completely abuse one to all of those factors. The US has lost much of its manufacturing base that may not ever come back. These decent paying jobs helped the US put its well educated as well as not as well educated to work. I believe NAFTA is THE MAIN REASON for the loss of jobs in the US.

    Without making products the US has little else to export. Sure we may have intelligence as a product, but with China & India graduating more summa cum-laude students than the US actually has students, that advantage will diminish as well.

    The job retraining, the supposedly substitution for replaced workers, does nothing for the numerous company retirees were on pensions when those companies folded, and little for the older employees to whom most companies shy away from.

    I believe in globalization, but to compete and survive we must equalize the playing field so that it is fair and just!

  • Sean

    Or just as easily with someone else’s steel. I mean it wasn’t like the weren’t plowing through China or anything. 

  • Anonymous

    One of the reasons Medicare became law is, the insurance companies can’t make money off of caring for sick people; they didn’t want to insure the elderly anyway.

  • Endra

    Nafta has been bad for both the US and Mexico. We would not allow the labor and environmental low standards of Mexico prevail here but the large corporations can make huge profits at our expense. The same can be said for China’s appalling conditions. We also dump our corn in Mexico as pointed out in the program and that has been a disaster for Mexico. Mexico is now a overun with drug cartels.

  • Sean

    Well I have to say companies would probably be more willing to make higher environmental standards to begin with if consumers actually cared. Kind of like McDonnald’s would sell more healthy food like Salads and such if people actually bought them.

  • Anonymous

    No, not now. It’s the WTO, GATT, MFN for the Chinese dictatorship, they’re putting NAFTA to shame.

  • endra

    we had an IT investment boom in the 90s and a housing boom/bubble in the 2000s which kept unemployment down. Wages have stagnated throughout

  • Sean

    Well duh insurance is about protecting yourself for when you become sick not when you’re already sick. Of course insurance companies aren’t going to take in people already sick or are a health risk. That’s why you get insurance early for when you need it later. 

  • Brandon

    And yet we never saw this great influx of US imports from Japan – other than what they imported all along in raw materials and agriculture.

    You seem to be advocating foreign inflation as the moderating force. It seems to me that’s a dangerous mechanism to rely on and one that can get quickly out of hand. Do these countries have the experience to do that? Does anyone?

    I agree that this will eventually balance out on it’s own. When all the costs of doing business are the same globally, there will be no incentive to offshore anything.

    The question is : How fast should that happen and can we as a nation and a world endure the economic turmoil that will cause. The prime motivator of war in my opinion is economics, all other excuses aside. 

    What’s happening today is as the emerging markets come up their wages are as well. They are losing their competitiveness against other countries. The next step for the mutinationals will be to find another cheap labor country to move to – South Africa is on the menu as are others. What will happen to India and China when that occurs? How will they react?

    I’m not understanding why apportioned moderation through tariffs would be a bad thing. Fast economic changes are generally bad for anyone who is not controlling or driving the changes, and taking the right steps to profit from them.

    Every country could have similar tariffs and still raise their standard of living and economic prospects. It just wouldn’t be wildly out of control growth and speculation followed by bust.

  • citizen3

    NAFTA is a symptom.  We cannot stop globalization.  Do we as consumers want to pay the prices of goods manufactured here versus those manufactured at lower cost? The country does not want over regulation of business so how do you force a corporation to keep their jobs in this country?  I believe it is the individual’s place to remain educated and to upgrade their education to meet the demands of a new world.  Yes, somehow the corporations could be required to provide a stipend or some other form of support for workers who are about to be laid off. Ultimately, continuing education is the answer.

  • Sean

    Actually wages have only been stagnant since the housing bubble. During the 90s and the into early 2000 wages have been growing. And just as easily as you can try to say all that growth has only been due to those two booms I can say that the stagnation has been due to the recent bust.

    Back to my point you replied to however there has been no change in unemployment numbers due to NAFTA. Just like how the same argument has been leveled at immigration. You can go back as far as US government has been tracking these numbers and find just the same. 

  • Anonymous

    Let’s see, people in Ghana could make whatever mode of transportation they want; the Chinese people could make whatever mode of transportation they want…And  with much less wasteful petroleum fueled shipping. Arbitrage is used by global companies to drive down human rights and externalize their costs, thus increasing their OBSCENE profits. They don’t do it to advance mankind.

  • Brandon

    With grammatical errors, yet. An extra two points is in order.

  • Anonymous

    I suggest you read “In The Jaws of the Dragon” by a former editor for Forbes.

  • Anonymous

    I hope you really like that job.

  • Anonymous

    We haven’t had a trade surplus since 1975. China runs them EVERY year; $150 billion this year. Is this really that complex?

  • Anonymous

    Yes, NAFTA is a symptom of a sick democracy and economic system that allows a select few to benefit at the expense of the many.

  • Kcaseylynn@gmail.co

    My wife and I has never throught that NAFTA was a great agreement for our workers who are the backbone of the USA. Our Companies abandon it’s own people and the our future generations for cheap and slave labor to South America and beyond our borders. With all the job creation in Mexico, you think it would have slowed down the migation and infiltration of illegal immigrants into the USA seeking employment. NAFTA has created a double edge sword to our American worker and Economy in allowing Companies here in American to hire visa and illegal workers slave wages. Our State and Government Elected Officials has turned a blind eye and backs to line their monetary portfolio with the Rapist companies, interest lobby groups, bankers, wallstreet and 401k ect……

    The solution my wife and I has decided for us is to do our home work and buy American goods, no matter whats the cost. Learn to do without those cheap Foreign American made products. Beware to those Companies who have taken our American jobs out of this great Nation / USA and expect us to buy their Foreign made products. Wake Up American Consumers, we have been sold and boughtout. I can truly say, we havn’t bought an Whirlpool prouduct in 20+ years. Lets support those American Companies and Politcians that have our best interest in the USA.

    KCasey and Lynn / Cincinnati, Ohio

  • Anonymous

    41 of 46 Chinese Fortune 500 companies are State Owned Enterprises, and China has 8%+ economic growth, scads of foreign reserves, they’re buying up agriculture land all over the world. Doesn’t this reflect on corporate preference for fascism?

  • Brandon

    As was T. Boone Pickens about the oil, he just missed the other half – everything else.

    Other reasons to move overseas are: to market effectively in that country, to maintain competitiveness in the face of other companies doing the same, to keep control over the technology for a bit longer (in the end this will not work anyhow, why should one continue to make profits for what is perceived to be a US company when they can start their own and enjoy all the profits?).
     
    The multinationals could easily maintain operations in each country they wish to market to and trade equally between their operations. There is no incentive to do this. And one we loose ownership, there will be no saving them short of tariffs; just look at Detroit if you don’t believe me. We’ve gone down this road already.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not enough. Do you eat? That fork is Chinese. We don’t make silverware anymore.

    (if you KNOW of an American silverware maker, please tell us)

  • Anonymous

    Your saying, had we not sold Japan steel when we knew they were slaughtering people in China, it wouldn’t have made a difference?

  • Anonymous

    This is where taxation comes in. How about a $20 Big Mac? Do you think we’d eat fewer, then?

  • Douglas Wentz

    All I know is that before NAFTA I had a middle class life. Now I live in a old motorhome with no heat or hot water.I find myself begging for any work I can get, most wouldn’t pay rent each mounth.I have worked for as little as two dollars an hour and had to quit when I had to pay them to drive a cab.I’ve loss my house my wife everything I worked for all my life.When NAFTA’  cause are mill to shut down we were told there was no money left for retraning because and airplan corperation that I will not name, laid off it workers so they could use the money to upgrade it’s workers.Then put them all back to work with better skills! I feel that i’m one of the group of pepole that the goverment wrote off. Because of my age 58 I get no call backs when i apply for a job.Just one question if we don’t have the money to buy these cheep goods and all the companys are laying off and shuting down because of  low sales how do you call that a win? The work I did most of my life broke down my back,neck and arms i cannot do much.So I tryed for SSI I was told to get loss and don’t come back. They made me feel like i was asking for a hand out so I left and didn’t look back. Now i just hide and hope that i do not feel to much pain as i check out of this life, i had my share.Doug

  • Anonymous

    It has HALVED auto worker wages in the U.S. and Mexico. I’ve followed the money, it leads, ultimately to to more corporate control of government.

  • Anonymous

    Durable goods manufacturing is the MOST important segment of our economy. It employs the most people for the highest pay, along with accompanying service jobs. Most smart countries know this and have a larger manufacturing sector than we do.

  • Brandon

    So it’s government inefficiency vs. corporate profits (and some inefficiency, but presumably lees than government). But this thread should die – we’re off topic.

  • Anonymous

    The anchor person, I would guess, is human?

    Your entire ideology is based on a lie.

    Read Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad – Wikipedia. The Supreme Court NEVER gave corporations equal protection under the law. Bancroft Davis, the Court Reporter and former president of Newburgh and New York Railway wrote that in to the headnotes  for the case. Now, due to the corrosive influence of big money, it’s been accepted as ACTUAL law.

  • Anonymous

    Medicare and Social Security have very low overhead. And private schools, private water and utility ownership and de-regulation, and defense out-sourcing have also failed miserably.

  • Anonymous

    What you are really saying is, “if you can’t take care of your self, just die” Isn’t that what Ayn Rand teaches you?. Listen to Alan Greenspan’s mea culpa before congress in 2008. Just search for …..”I found a flaw.”

  • Anonymous

    41 of 46 Chinese Fortune 500 companies are State Owned Enterprises, and China has 8%+ economic growth, scads of foreign reserves, they’re buying up agriculture land all over the world. Doesn’t this reflect on corporate preference for fascism?

  • Brandon

    And what a lot of people fail to realize is it does not stop with the manufacturing per se. The pool of assemblers and technicians go on to become the manufacturing engineering staff (that is much more efficient on site than off). And the ME’s are a pool of talent that feed that feed the product engineering ranks.

    Eventually you don’t have the talent it takes to stand up a manufacturing operation even if you need to. And there’s no market left for your designs because they aren’t needed and are hopelessly non-producible even if they were.

    Not everyone is capable of an advanced education. So if one does not have some exceptional latent talent or attribute they’re relegated to the ranks of the poor and under employed. We need to be asking ourselves if this is this really what we want for our “American dream”.

    We ostensibly want to encourage young people to pursue their education. What does it tell them when they can see others who have taken that path and worked hard for 10 or 15 years of in their field cast aside for the latest cheap replacement? I am not sure I could advise a young person today to go into engineering or business with a clear conscience. 

    We cannot continue to stand up new industries and give them away wholesale indefinitely, it will beggar us.

  • Etson1

    I have a very difficult time addressing this subject in a civil manner. NFTA was the worst piece of legislation ever enacted in this nation in the last 200 Years. Millions of American families have been destroyed so we can purchase an LG refrigerator for a few dollars less…it is insane. The trade War started 25 Years ago and we have already lost. Micky Kantor can rot in Hell.    

  • Jacquei

    I think that NAFTA was a terrible idea.  Those who proposed it knew exactly what the benefits would be- cheap labor and ability to dominate the environment of more naive countries. If a population of people helped built the wealth of a company with a good work products, the company should not be able to use that wealth to lift roots and leave. That population of people were an essential piece of success, they should also be able to share the spoils.  Environmentally we need to stop what we are doing to the earth.  Dedication to clean energy and resource preservation is essential in a world supporting now 7 billion people.

  • Ediegroner

    What happened to your hour long program? Tonight your show was just 25 minutes long! It should be twice as long maybe 2 hrs. as there is so many important topics to cover. Instead we are getting less and not more programming on Need to Know. I am glad to see Jon Mecham back and his commentary is worthwhile as usual. Where is Maria Jinahosa? I like her reports. and the female co-host that used to be on the show, where is she tonight?

    Tax laws giving breaks to corporations who set up factories abroad and cheaper labor abroad are the two reasons for the huge loss in factories and jobs at home. This is a tragedy caused by government laws that favored business over workers. That is why we need to vote out all Republicans in Congress and for President.
    A Senior

  • David C Powell

    Free trade? No way! We subsidize the production of corn agribusiness with 3 billion dollars a year. The government subsidized mega corn producers no can sell this subsidized corn to Mexico driving the Mexican farmers out of business. The result: they come to the US for work. I find that disgraceful! We should stop all farm subsidies. They want real free trade then it should be free of subsidies! David C. Powell 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KXHXYN5LB3XUHK2K446LIIQPZY ElizabethC

    NAFTA enabled our corn industry (now producing genetically modified kernel seeds) to
    decimate Mexico’s small farmers.   Many of them, or their sons, emigrated to the large
    cities or to the U.S.

  • Anonymous

    The free market didn’t END slavery. Government did.

  • Anonymous

    Are those MASSIVE AGRICULTURE SUBSIDIES to force Mexicans to migrate to maquiladoras and American farms “free trade”?

    Are China’s State Owned Factories and corporate complicity in that dictatorship “free trade”?

    Read about PetroCaribe and U.S.A.I.D, et al  and what Bill Clinton has said about American involvement in Haiti.

    Read  how Monsanto, with U.S. government help, strong arms  countries all over the world

    Then you’ll begin to understand know how “free trade” REALLY works.

  • Jean Smith

    How in the world is this balanced reporting!!!
    No one from Friends of the Earth or other opposing  organizations were interviewed.

    And if we are talking about the benefits of global trade for Mexican people, why didn’t we investigate the impacts of lack of labor and environmental safeguards in Mexican communities. The conditions in the Maquiladora’s were not only deplorable but criminal – http://www.umich.edu/~snre492/Jones/maquiladora.htm. I can only wonder if this has contributed to increasing violence in Mexico.

    And if American corn farmers have benefited, this has probably descimated Mexican corn farmers making people dependent on importing a basic of life – food.

    None of this is good for community stability  – here or there. And economics fails to put a price on this.

    I wholeheartedly embrace globalization of ideas and governance – But not via the cut-throat competition of capitalism.

    Jean
    Former Peace Corps Volunteer (so I try to see both sides)

  • Fred Hodge

    Lower the Capital gain’s tax to 11%  ( or even 9 )
    Retained ernings can be invested in Energy saving items in this country.

  • Anonymous

    Fred Hodge,
    The top marginal tax rate from FDR to Eisenhower was 91%, and we had the greatest expansion of the middle class ever.

  • Anonymous

    Are those MASSIVE AGRICULTURE SUBSIDIES to force Mexicans to migrate to maquiladoras and American farms “free trade”?

    Are China’s State Owned Factories and corporate complicity in that dictatorship “free trade”?

    Read about PetroCaribe, and U.S.A.I.D, Hanes, Fruit of the Loom, Levi, et al,  and why Bill Clinton apologizes for our trade with Haiti.

    Read  how Monsanto, with U.S. government help, strong arms  countries all over the world

    Then you’ll begin to understand know how “free trade” REALLY works.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IK5RAAZF3JFZRAABOXEKWOMDLQ Captain Obvious

    People argued that NAFTA created 6-7 jobs for every jobs lost. It is also true that every American in a manufacturing job creates an additional 6-7 jobs because there are marketers for the product the American makes, the truckers that transport the product, the store that retails it, etc…In essence, NAFTA gave America no net gain or loss in jobs.

    Unfortunately, the jobs America lost were pivotal. We replaced manufacturers with Wal-Mart greeters. We have hollowed out our manufacturing base, and decimated our “Arsenal of Democracy.” Because of NAFTA, America is the world’s largest importer and America is growing unsustainable trade deficits from nations like China to Slovenia.

    In essence, NAFTA has put the final nail in the coffin for the American manufacturing base. We can no longer manufactures: consumer electronics including cell phones, laptops, desktops, TVs, microwaves, RAM, silicon wafers and in general any electronics for that matter, teapots, toasters, specialized steel products (for bridges, nuclear power plants, etc…), RAM, silverware and many other items if try searching for American made ones. In order to bring the manufacturing of these items back, we need to re-learn the know-how of how to manufacture them and re-build the infrastructure to do that.

    Just think, how can America be the word’s largest economy and have the most powerful military if it can’t manufacture simple items? First our economy will go, and them we will see our powerful military crumble as well. History has always shown that a stronger economy based off of manufacturing always trumps a more powerful military.

  • Anonymous

    That link was really, really,  informative. Thanks.

  • Brandon

    Short of war (that you win by the way, and with unconditional surrender), or coup d’etat and installing your puppet regime, you have 3 external tools. Blockade, embargo, and tariffs.

    Guess which one works?

    Establish US import tariffs for all imports: raw materials, goods, services, and information; set the rate inversely to the exporting country’s trade balance with the US. We have the technology to instantaneously (well close enough anyhow) measure and adjust it.

    No exceptions or protections for specific industries, no most favored nation trading status. Foreign corporations operating in the US are taxed on anything not produced here including engineering, design, management. Open your books or we’ll assign a value to it, and it’s the US value for that skill anyhow. We have plenty of out of work engineers and managers from those fields who would be perfectly capable of that and probably glad for the opportunity.

    Every other country can do the same. Works no matter who ships to whom, or how many middlemen there are in between.

    This would do much to resolve the boom and bust cycles here and abroad, and reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

    Pain in the short term, stability and predictability long.

  • john

    The free trade agreements that are presently in force are imperfect because the agents on which we are relying to implement these agreements – US Corporations – were not established to perform this role and and so fail to operate in a way which is in the best interests of the citizens of the United States. Corporations – by law – are charged with earning the maximum possible returns for their shareholders, consequences to everyone else be damned. And so that is what they do, damning the many workers and towns that they have abandoned in the process of seeking ever greater profits. 

    Whether or not it is possible to add to their charters some modicum of public service re education, infrastructure, etc, I do not know. But it would be eminently sensible, and perhaps equally effective, to legally and immediately require these “artificial persons” to include on their boards a representative number of workers and community leaders to help them interpret their corporate obligations in a way more consistent with with the broader interests of the country. Would not giving the “99%” a voice in corporate governance in this way also go a long ways towards addressing the disenfranchisement of the common man in the United States ????

    And if our corporations assumed some of these collateral responsibilities as intrinsic to their operations, would it not also be possible to reduce taxes and shrink the size of government as the “1%” has so strongly fought for over the years ????

  • Brandon

    More than any other factor, our manufacturing capacity won WWII. Many of our weapons were not nearly as advanced as our enemy’s, we simply out produced them.

    The only great technological advantage we had was the Manhattan Project which nearly had no role to play at all, it took so long to develop.

  • Ralph Welsh

    Yes Doug you are right 100% except the prices have not gone down they have only gotten even more out of our price range. Whoever is in charge, has lowered the standard of living for us all not only the unemployeed workers but also for the people who still do have jobs. Companies say ok we won’t give you a wage decrease but your healthcare costs are going up welll guess what that is a wage decrease how stupid do they really think we are anyway. We need jobs that pay a LIVING WAGE not jobs where people have to have 2 or 3 part time jobs just to obtain the bare essentials with no health benefits(thinning out the herd). The genie is out of the bottle sort of speak our country does not manufacture hardly anything any more and I don’t think that is going to change anytime to soon because of corporate greed. I’ve seen stores close because  they were making a profit but not enough profit for the CEO’s of the stores to make their bottom line so they could get their bonus. It is very irresponsible of these companies to make decisions about the livelihood of people based soully on their financial gain, these companies should have a 3rd party involved to ensure what they are doing is for the good of the many and that their actions do not only benefit themselves. These companies should be ashamed of themselves how can they sleep at night I know with a smile on their faces. They are selfish, greedy, self involved people who only care about themselves and their profits they don’t deserve to be called human beings all the suffering they caused is going to come back to them. Remember what you cast out is what you receive back. It will come back and bite them in their butts!!!!!!!!! 

  • Brandon

    And here is where I believe government does have a legitimate role. How can the corporation serve two masters effectively? In my opinion, it cannot.

    Government can establish a framework of trade policy that is simple to understand, self adjusting, and equitable with the goal of damping the wild swings completely unfettered capitalism tends to promulgate.

    We need to lead the world here with something that can be instituted on both sides without escalation.

  • Ralph Welsh

    Our parents had the “American Dream” we have the “American Nightmare”

  • Anonymous

    We hate war.  Chinese people hate war. Our government can use other
    means to correct this. Like do more government procurement spending with
    the kind of STRICT enforcement of domestic content that China has-This
    is even WTO compliant! Let’s kick FDR’s ALREADY EXISTING “Buy American
    Act” of 1933 in to high gear.

    We could start teaching girls and minorities and everyone else that U.S.
    manufacturing and ESPECIALLY ENGINEERING needs them, and is our MOST
    important job creator.

    I understand that the Chevy Volt, for example was designed heavily BY AMERICAN WOMEN! They did a great job!

    What if Uncle Sam ordered say, 500,000 of those babies for government
    employees, and then throw in a few Teslas to boot? This kind of federal
    spending would be 100% WTO compliant! What a way to remind the world
    that women can do something else other than breed and win gold medals.

  • Brandon

    But they sure like to beat that drum, don’t they. :-) “Look Ma! I’m raising the downtrodden!” Well, charity begins at home.

    P.S. Never knew that was Dickens, always thought D.P.Moynihan coined it :-) .

  • Ralph Welsh

    I have an idea yes world ecomny is a good thing if it is kept within their country. Like say people in India want housing well then their wages and their ecomny should be applied to that industry. The way things are now are very unbalanced. It would be like going to a foreign country and using U.S. dollars the exchange would not be even the only way to keep things balanced is for each country to use their own standard so lets us say in it would take 10% of a person’s income to purchase a home then in America that price might be 200,000 and in India that price might be 2,000 which might be 10% so if a company wants to do business in India they would have to pay a percent of their income not the way it is which is a fraction. There has to be better way of doing business that would benefits all of mankind not just benefits the top 1%. But their is to much greed in this world they say free enterprise yes it is free for the haves and to hell with the rest of the world. This world has enough resources so that not 1 person in this world should go without food, water, clothing, and shelter from the elements if we all contributed to the general welfare of mankind not just people in our own country there would be not shortage of jobs because everyone would be working to build homes, grow food, make clothing and distribute water. What would you rather be doing building up or tearing things down. Oh but I forgot for a minute corporate greed. For the good of mankind or money in my pocket hmmmmmm????

  • Anonymous

    Before decrying you embrace global governance, have you familiarized yourself with the EU?  It began with a series of trade agreements, progressed to the Maastricht Treaty during which centralization of all services were established.Followed by the EU Constitution, that embarrassingly, failed when the prerequisite requirement of all EU nations signing on could not be met. Currently, the Lisbon Treaty that eliminated all national veto rights, established legal prominence of EU leadership over all national courts, created a databank for all DNA and fingerprints, including new police and surveillance powers, the Lisbon Treaty is impenetrable to the public. Based on the setbacks that necessitated each of these steps, it has been  determined that international governance tends to be effective only when it is anti-democratic

    The President of the Czech Republic recently stated that “The EU reminds us of COMECON.”(Moscow’s organization for economic control of the Soviet bloc.) He elaborated saying “the developments in the E.U. are really dangerous with regard to moving out of a free society and moving more and more toward  masterminding control and regulation.”

    Little known fact: When President Clinton was unable to get the constitutionally required two-thirds majority senatel vote required for approval of all U.S. treaties, Clinton declared victory after claiming NAFTA was an agreement rather than a treaty without the required votes.` THE TWO TERMS ARE SYNONYMOUS…No definable difference can be established ANYWHERE.

    In Chapter eleven, the Investor-to-State provision of NAFTA grants the right and the power to corporate investors to sue national governments for interfering with corporate rights to profit. Prior to NAFTA, international corporate expansion was considered too risky due to exposure to unstable foreign governments and favoring of domestic business. Prior to NAFTA only nations had the right to sue each other and no monetary damages could be sought. THERE ARE NO LIMITS ON MONETARY DAMAGES that can be sought due to NAFTA. Litigation is decided by international panels, with no public access and no public recourse provided. All TRADE AGREEMENT signatories are bound by the panel’s ruling. My question is when did it become legal to commit the U.S. to power over our laws?

    The United States has lost billions in import tariffs due to NAFTA while all other trade agreement nations retain import tariffs in varying amounts. Due to the security provided by NAFTA, our industrial base, American businesses and jobs continue to be lured to foreign nations for the increased profits that are established by lowering production costs, due to slave labor and lack of any safety regulations. Not to mention that China’s credit back of its 19% tariff reducing production cost by 19% to the manufacturer for each product exported to the U.S. Hence…FREE vs. FAIR trade. Last and most important question, …Why did our trusty President Obama feign ignorance about the SPP while dissing NAFTA and promising to make necessary changes to NAFTA? Both go hand in hand…and knowledge of one eliminates the possibility of ignorance of the other.

    Following the April 2009 G20 Summit, leaders issued a communique which set the ground work for the creation of a global currency to replace the dollar as the world reserve currency. The communique stated that the G20 leaders have activated the IMF’s power to create money and begin global quantitative easing. In doing so, they put a de facto world currency into play. It is outside the control of any sovereign body. The IMF will replace THE FEDERAL RESERVE as a world-wide central bank, operating similarly to the FED with no transparency and no accountability. See the G20 website list of communiques issued after the 4/2009 summit for verification.

    It appears it’s only a matter of time before we are forced to follow the EU, as the second of the three superstates proposed by the Trilateral Commission. Is the gridlock of our government designed to open the door for acceptance of relinquishing our sovereignty, and surrendering our constitutional rights…perhaps for a better option? The example of the EU should be cause for concern…but Americans are kept in the dark about those details…and NAFTA is the primary cause that started our decline toward global governance…that tends to be effective…only when it’s anti-democratic.

  • Anonymous

    (congress, Marie Antoinette, Kantor. Couldn’t resist.)

    Even with your horrific grammar and terrorist threats, you’re 1000 times more electable than Shrub Bush

  • Anonymous

    Addendum:

    “On the left, linguist Noam Chomsky criticized a report issued by the Commission called The Crisis of Democracy for suggesting that there was an “excess of democracy”

  • Nanalaska

    It isn’t just Republicans who caused this Free Trade nightmare. Pres. Clinton was pushing it too. And if I remember correctly, none of the Democrats in Congress spoke out against it either. That’s because they both rely on the big fat corporate donations they need to run their campaigns  And now Obama is giving us free trade with Columbia, Panama, and S.Korea. We are slowly becoming a Third World debtor nation. Our leaders are allowing American jobs to be exported, while at the same time, our government is importing Third World poverty through our flawed immigration policies. I’m so glad I never had children.

  • Meta

    I’m sure in hindsight NAFTA could have been negotiated better, but on the whole I think it was a good thing. If you really believe in capitalism, you gotta support supply and demand and that includes wages. Sorry about that but so it goes. Besides, its good for all of us when the rest of the world can compete on an even playing field.

  • Larry4382

    If you want to know who NAFTA was set up to benefit, try buying cheaper drugs from Canada.

  • Klagyai

     Yes, I agree: The Republican,s try to turn the clock back to slavery!

  • Zealand2

    Benefit? Sorry, but I see most drugs Americans take are not needed at all. We trade the obvious need for more activity and better diet for fast food and more TV. 
    Doctors who take care of us never read new findings or have time for any investigation into what they administer to us for corporation profit as well as themselves. With the health care bill a majority of kids will be placed on prozac. It will not help any more than the antibiotic drugs handed out like candy by doctors who know it isn’t to the overall benefit of the general population. 

  • 2Blue Water Diamond

    Larry 4832.
    ..You might find Ethyl Corp vs. Canada (2005) litigation interesting. The danger of corporate power over government, even without the risk of the secret litigation provided for in NAFTA, is demonstrated by Canada’s choice to “settle” the lawsuit, rather than risk going before an International Panel, instituted by the very TREATY created for the purpose of promoting expansion of international corporate growth.

    Not only did Canada agree to pay Ethyl Corp. millions, but the toxic substance that was banned in Canada, produced by Ethyl, was declared “safe” by the Canadian government, and is currently used throughout the nation.

    Hearing that oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico has again been approved, after what has taken place, (a multitude of dead and dying dolphins are being found currently) makes me wonder if the oil barons aren’t threatening or filing litigation against any government daring to interfere with oil corporate rights to profit. We’d never know…since NAFTA requires total secrecy. The only reason the Ethyl info is available is because Canada settled.

  • Dena

    You might be right… IF there was a level playing field.  IF you believe in capitalism, you also have to allow the failures to fail.. you don’t confiscate the wealth of working people to pay off the debts of  others.  There is a HUGE difference between capitalism and corportism.

  • Will LeRoy

    Trade is complex issue and to say one silver bullet will solve the problem is … well, for lack of a better word ‘ignorant’. NAFTA never considered the elephant in the room. The fuel to put it in action. The traffic jams that have us sit idle burning fuel to get no where on over crowded super highways . Is it all so equal as they claim? More millionaires in Mexico? we need to look at communities that provide jobs and needs locally not spread it out all over hell and back. This is just all the worst attributes of capitalism presented in a colorful pin-yata so foreigners can take smack at our pride and get their goodies. I was a big advocate of civil rights but it makes no sense in light of NAFTA. I’m sad that it is becoming less about jobs and more about hand outs. I am a lover of work not some pushy conservative but how can anyone expect people to take pride in work, nation or flag when it puts forth a policy that bleeds us of self worth and gives us nothing back but gadgets of comfort or pastime.

  • Dena

    Why should people who get their money from gambling in the stock market be able to pay a lower tax than the man digging my sewer system?  We don’t need to lower capital gains. It should be taxed the same as all other income.  “Retained earnings” won’t be invested anywhere except back on Wall Street to further expand the mother of all pyramid schemes.

  • Nrmercier

    That’s the problem. We are not all playing on an even field. OSHA, EPA, & all the other Gov’t entities do not exist in Mexico, China,…..

  • Anonymous

    i understand that companies must go south to stay competitive in a global market. what i don’t understand is,,, if wages are 1/6 that of the US,,,, no employee benefits are paid,,, there are no environmental concerns and working conditions are the lowest in the world,,,,, why is the price of the finished product the same or rising???? i can only guess that the 1% at the top of the heap must be doing quite well.. is it about competitiveness of the rich getting richer??

    i also understand that more jobs have been created than have been lost but now,,,, a person must have 3 of these new jobs to maintain his standard of living.

    and i know education is the key,, as stated in the commentary,,,, but,,,,,, (trust me on this) ALL MEN ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL………. it is a fact of nature…. some people do not have and regardless of how much education they receive,, will never have the capacity to be brain surgeons, rocket scientists, computer repair men or school teachers.. so with no manufacturing jobs,, and a limited number of positions in the US congress,,, these people end up at the very bottom of the food chain..

    now that the bottom of the food chain is growing and the top of the food chain is growing,,, it is the shrinking middle who are left to foot the bill… does a $ 14 trillion,, and growing,,, debt sound familiar?? the famous quote is,,,, socialism is the greatest thing in the world,,,, until you run out of other peoples money to spend…  i understand our kings have wanted to take care of the disadvantaged but,,, if they had jobs,,, couldn’t they take care of themselves??

    our kings talk constantly about job creation…. are they talking about the ones that a person has to have 3 of or does he mean the real ones that are created here,,,, subsidized by middle class tax dollars,,,, and then moved offshore as soon as the tax breaks run out???

    what we have in this country is a race to the bottom… if you are lucky enough to have a job that pays a living wage,,,, the trend is for the company to cry poverty,,,, get the 1% and government fleas to back them; then get the media to brainwash the 97%,,, who are worse off than you,,,, into thinking,,, because of your greed,,, you are the problem….. when 99% of the population line up to protest your greed,,,, it won’t be long until you will be working for less or your job will be going south…. and the 97% who are worse off than you, will gladly do your job for less,,,, because they just don’t get it.. they don’t understand that there is someone who is a bit worse off than them,,, waiting in the wings,,, and they will do the job for even less,,,, until the entire world is working for nothing,,,, or on welfare.. but the the price of the product NEVER goes down..

    everything is going up,,,, except private pensions, return on investments, the value of the dollar, wages and SS checks.. what i don’t understand is,,,, with the 99% not making more and having to spend more just to maintain,,,, where is all that spent money going??? since the ray gun daze,, i’ve been told that when money goes to the top,, it always trickles down to the bottom… i wonder if what they tell me is a warm rain,,,, is someone pi$$ing down my back??? must all the money go to the top?? if a person make $150 million a year,,,,, is there no way he can survive on $125 million?? why is it the guy who makes $30 an hour,,,, and spends every dime of it,,,, is the greedy one??? why is it he is the one ruining the country???

    well,,,,,,, it is about jobs…. good paying,,, manufacturing jobs… it is now,,,, as it ever was,,, the backbone of America… no roots,,,,, no trees……

  • Will LeRoy

    It would make a nice novel. I agree with you. When running for office there is no $ in  ”the people.” It is only the corporation that makes a campaigns successful. 
    There is no “America” really, What we are speeding towards is not a product of “the people.”  Politicians only spin what is unwanted to the masses in favor of corporations. Don’t get me wrong I believe in greed/ capitalism but NAFTA is a far extreme. 

  • Santafe66

    NAFTA permits poor countries, that don’t have a long term environmental focus, to encourage American companies to move there and not have to comply with our environmental laws. The companies can operate cheaper there and pay workers less too. So we’re preserving our environment but losing good paying jobs for the middle class. Hmmmm? Globalization, is it good for us?? Not if the playing field isn’t leveled.

    China is a good example……..Their environment is severely degrading, but they’re beating us. That’s their goal. What they’re left with after they win is far down the road and their people don’t have a say in it. Their leaders don’t care what their people want to live with, or have to. Defeating America is their goal.

    Our solutions are getting very hard and confrontational.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BCT26WCIS6HJ5B5DSTMBN5GJCE Hank

    American Companies have become the largest employers of low slave wage jobs around the world.I thought America was supposed to Export Freedom and Hope,not keep people in chains. Shame on these Corporate slave traders.

  • Dbrock 77

    It seems NAFTA was better for business and creating jobs outside the US.  It would be helpful to see comparison of how many jobs were lost and created IN the U.S., rather than hear people like Kantor say “more jobs have been created than lost.”  Where are those jobs? I agree with Meacham that while we’d like to keep our businesses profitable through trade, we need to make it FAIR trade. We need to invest in ourselves first, training our workforce, and hiring Americans without fear of having to work at a Mexican wage.  It’s immoral for these American businesses that benefited from public sector investments while they grew to take jobs to other countries and not re-invest in America. Personally, it’s not worth saving money on buying a refrigerator if I know a fellow American has lost his job so I can have this privilege.

  • Robert

    One of the real issues was an underestimation of the dislocation and financial damage to those who lost jobs to Mexico. The Country did not prepare for it and replacement with low wage service sector jobs was no answer, even if they exceeded the losses in number. Unfortunately for most, the US has developed a lottery mentality and econmic system – either you are a big winner or a loser, nothing in between.

  • Anonymous

    NAFTA’s rules provided new incentives to relocate production: “foreign investors”— meaning U.S. companies relocating to Mexico — received both special investor protections and preferential access for finished products shipped back to the U.S. Meanwhile, many workers who have lost high-wage, benefits-paying manufacturing jobs have only found new work in service sector positions that typically pay 23-77 percent less than their previous wages and offer few or no benefits.NAFTA’s transformation of the kinds of jobs available to the 75 percent of Americans who do not have a college degree has contributed to stagnant wage levels that have destroyed the economic security of millions of American families.

    After seventeen years of NAFTA, the prediction of trade theory — that increased trade liberalization will increase income inequality — has become reality, with stark empirical data revealing disparities not seen since the Robber Baron age. As economic growth slowed in recent years, NAFTA’s full wreckage has emerged. In every region of the country, towns have been devastated by serial plant
    closings, mass layoffs, the slow death of main street businesses once patronized by the suddenly unemployed, and the consequent crash in tax revenues that once supported local schools, hospitals and other essential services. Millions of Americans hurt by our failed trade policy are outraged.

    Promises that NAFTA would create hundreds of thousands of new high-quality U.S. jobs were central to the pro-NAFTA campaign. Using a formula that estimated 13,000 new jobs for each $1 billion in trade surplus, one pro-NAFTA economist- ( I have forgotten his name, but it can be found if you Google  “Hufbauer, Gary, and Jeffrey J. Scott. NAFTA: An Assessment. Institute for International Economics”)-famously predicted that NAFTA would create 170,000 new U.S. jobs within its first two years — with job creation from NAFTA growing from then on. But, NAFTA did not result in the promised increases in U.S. trade surpluses with Canada and Mexico. If you plug the actual trade deficit numbers into the formula used to generate the infamous 170,000 job gain number endlessly
    repeated by NAFTA boosters (“170,000 new U.S. jobs would be created annually by NAFTA”), the result is a loss of nearly nine million U.S. jobs in 2002 alone! Some economists have designed more careful, accurate formulas to measure NAFTA’s job effects. For instance, the Economic Policy Institute concluded that by 2000 NAFTA already had cost the United States 766,000 jobs and job opportunities (jobs that would have existed without NAFTA’s incentives to relocate factories.) Since then, the rate of manufacturing job loss has accelerated greatly.

    Now we have the Bush initialized, Obama supported, corporate-owned-Congress passed, NAFTA-style free trade agreements with Korea, Columbia and Panama!

    OCCUPY WALL STREET!

  • SCULPTUREJOYCE

    THIS SATEMENT IS RELEVANT TO A SURVEY IN OCT 29 NEW YORK TIMES BY CHARLES BLOW.  IN CHARTING THE COMPANIES THAT ARRIVED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HEAP,.  NOT ONLY IS THE UNITED STATES AT THE BOTTOM OF MOST OF THE LIST ISSUES, BUT SO IS MEXICO  IN THE OVERALL POVERTY RATE.  SO NOT ONLY DID AMERICAN WORKERS LOSE.  BUT NAFTA CAUSED MEXICAN WORKERS TO STAY AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HEAP. WHERE DOES ALL OUR MONEY GO. ??? IF THIS IS A GLOBAL ECONOMY AS MICKEY CANTER SAYS IT IS  WE ARE CONTRIBUTING TO ITS DOWNSIDE.

    IF HE DID NOT KNOW THAT CHINA WOULD BECOME THE WORLD’S SUPPLIER WITH ITS CHEAP LABOR ( THAT IS GETTING BETTER) I KNEW IN THE 199O’S. CHINA WAS ALL OVER THE NEWS PAPERS.  TOO BAD HE WAS SO FOCUSSED ON BRINGING US NAFTA THAT HE DIDN’T LOOK AT THE LARGER PICTURE AND READ MAORE ARTICLES THAT COULD HAVE CLUED HIM IN.

    THE ONLY THING MEXICO BEATS US IN IS PRE SCHOOL EDUCATION OTHERWISE THE USA AND MEXICO PLUTOCRATS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN.

    IN FaCT EVEN THE PRODUCTS WE NOW HAVE TO BUY, from Mexico and the far est including china,  IF WE CAN AFFORD TO BUY ANYTHING, ARE SHODDIER THAN THOSE MANUFACTURED IN AMERICA’S HEYDAY OF MANUFACTURING PROWESS THAT I REMEBMER WELL. WHE PEOPLE WERE WORKERS AND PROFESSIONALS PROUD OF THEIR EXPERT CONTRIBUTION AND EXCELLENCE.  IT MEANT MORE THAN MONEY. .

    CLINTON WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM IN MANY WAYS,  HOPEFULLY OBAMA, WILL DO THE RIGHT THING FINALLY AND STOP LISTENING TO THE SO CALLED SMART PEOPLE WHO WATCH THEIR OWN MONEY MUCH BETTER THAN THEY WATCH OURS.
     I AM A GRANDMOTHER WORRIED ABOUT HER PROFESSIONAL CHILDREN AND  5 TEEN AGE GRANDCHILDREN. I IS FINE. TIMES WERE DIFFERENT IN MY PRODUCTIVE DAYS I COULD SAVE AND LIVE IN COMFORT FI NOT OPULENT LUXUREY. . 

  • Anonymous

    So, huge GOVERNMENT subsidies to agribusiness to force Mexican ex-farmers  to migrate to maquiladoras and American poultry plants and farms is CAPITALISM? China’s STATE OWNED MANUFACTURING subsidized by Wall Street is CAPITALISM? The mind boggles.

  • Anonymous

    Excellent point. Everyone should keep in mind that, free traitor Republicrats notwithstanding, (Lieberman, Clinton, Obama) these trade agreements:  NAFTA, Korea, Chile, etc have passed with support from the MAJORITY of REPUBLICANS and MINORITIES of democrats. So, if you want MORE free traitors, elect your local REPUBLICAN.

  • Anonymous

    Welllll…..keep in mind that NAFTA and even these latest trade deals with Chile and Korea passed with MAJORITIES of REPUBLICANS and only MINORITIES of democrats. So, if you like free traitors, vote Republican.

  • Anonymous

    Nice try. The “ponzi scheme to which you refer began with the Republican push for deregulation; Graham, Leach, Bliley, passed with LARGE Republican majorities; The Financial Services Act of 1999 passed with LARGE Republican majorities.

    After deregulation, banks had no incentive to properly vet loans, as they would be sold to Wall Street, anyway. Hence, combined with the MAJORITY REPUBLICAN push for “free” trade hollowing out manufacturing, the economy tanked.

  • John

    Fatally Flawed Free Trade Agreements

    It seems from Micky Kantor’s comments that he and the others who negotiated the NAFTA agreement were aware that some US industries and their workers would be severely adversely affected by the new agreement. That being the case, what should have been done as part of the agreement was include a range of provisions to permit the workers and communities so affected to make the transition to the next stages of their development, whatever that might be. 

    At a time when the federal government is cutting back on funding for the social safety net and state and local communities are pretty much wrung out so far as the funds needed for this “NAFTA Safety Net” is concerned, the only way to generate the funds required would be through a tax of some kind on the corporations that elected to move their operations to another country. One way to do that would have been to require companies closing down their operations in a given community to continue paying their local and state taxes for at least five years after they left, together with the health benefits for the workers that they laid off. 

    Without insuring that adequate funds are available to adres the costs to communities and workers of their transitions to the future, NAFTA as written has simply accelerated the distress of the afffected communities and workers while providing the owners and managers of the departing companies with the means to further increase their income and bonuses. That is not the way things should work in these United States !!!!!

    John 

  • Anonymous

    NAFTA has destroyed good manufacuring jobs in the S.F. bay area that were mostly UNION!
    Before NAFTA companies would move to right to work STATES to screw the working class now they can go anywhere to do that, and they are! Kanter is a liar and Un-American in my book for his part in turning us into a third world country! It also looks like the Democrats and the Repubs don’t give a shit either…… We need to clean house!!!!!

  • http://www.truedemocracy.net Arlene Johnson

     I used to admire Noam Chomsky. Now I know better as he is a controlled asset of those who advocate the New World Order. See http://www.truedemocracy.net/td-30/1aa.html for the whole article. Then, there is more at http://www.truedemocracy.net/hj35/35.html Scroll all the way to the end to read what I published about Professor Chomsky.

  • http://www.truedemocracy.net Arlene Johnson

    You obviously don’t realize that both parties are controlled by those who control all aspects of our lives. For proof, please read The Trilateral Commission’s Effect on the Middle East at http://www.truedemocracy.net/w01/3.html You’ll also learn a piece of American history that has been denied to you as the American you are, but which was published honestly in Canada, all of western Europe, and Argentina too. In the last of the 3 sections, you’ll see who the Democrats and Republicans are who are members of that relatively secret organization, an organization that doesn’t want you to know that both parties are the same.

  • 2BlueWaterDiamond

    Fred..They sure could, but they won’t…just like all the other tax breaks that were supposed to encourage the top one percent to create jobs…but didn’t.

  • Cal1147

    The United States cannot financially survive exporting all manufacturing. With the great differences in wages, closing manufacturing in the US makes economic sence to the manufacturer. There are not enough technical jobs to replace those lost in the manufacturing se tot. We cannot base our economy on the housing market just because it would be difficult to transfer these jobs over seas.

    If we blindly follow this globalization movement, I believe the logical end result is the drop in the average US wage to a few thousand of dollets pet year.

  • Anonymous

    Everyone is entitled to opinions, but the math behind the truth is undeniable, and beyond opinion. More jobs in the USA were lost than gained because of NAFTA. The department of labor stats alone tell the story. If NAFTA had been a positive for us, than wouldn’t the balance of trade be in our favor by now? Of course it would, but in fact we all hear year after year after year how once again our balance of trade favors the countries who are supposedly our trading partners. 

    Are we in debt because of social programs, like the neo-cons claim, of course not, it’s because of a huge trade deficit year after year, that forces us to borrow more than we take in. That and the fact that we lowered the taxation on the rich, while their income tripled. Yes there is class warfare, and the rich are winning. They fast tracked our jobs off shore, rigged the banking system into casino capitalism, and rewrote the laws so their lying, and thieving were magically quasi legal. This is not capitalism, it is closer to a monarchy, and we had one revolution over a monarchy, do we need another?

    Before NAFTA was enacted, in 1993, we had a one billion dollar trade surplus with Mexico, now year after year we have a deficit, and that’s just one country. How could the host of this show not brought up the basic statistics available? Labor stats show that rounded off, we gained 700,000 jobs, and lost 1,500,000 jobs due to NAFTA, for a net loss of 800,000. Factories shuttered all over the country, families livelihoods destroyed, all so corporations could make ever bigger profits for it’s investors, in other words, themselves.

  • March

    NAFTA, in my opinion, has done nothing but hurt the hard working American people and make the rich richer, as it is said, follow the money. Both my husband and I lost our jobs because of the factories closing and moving to Mexico and China, this is a sad reality across the USA today. No, NAFTA was wrong.

  • Pklein

    As a lot of people my employer at the time forced us to write preformed letters in favor of NAFTA or face termination. These letters were sent to our lawmakers and NAFTA passed. Yes  it was a poor agreement because it did not protect American Workers, it made a platform for Corporate America to get richer and ditch their responsibilities of the workers here at home. We have agreements on the table now with South Korea which will do the some. These are called fair trade, but they are not fair at all to American workers or America it`s self. A World economy grown on the backs of the American way of life is not a fair agreement at all!  

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps cheap electronics isn’t mankind’s salvation. Maybe human rights and intelligent use of finite resources should be a higher priority.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps cheap electronics isn’t mankind’s ultimate salvation. Maybe human rights
    and intelligent use of finite resources should be a higher priority.

  • Anonymous

    Why? You can do better than that.

  • Brooke

    NAFTA was the making of the group of the world’s wealthiest behind closed doors with no ounce of democracy involved!  Politically from federal to local levels, the economically poor Mexican people are treated like lower class human beings in both Mexico and the US and FYI they are as human as any other human living and breathing in North America!  These politics of hatred, ignorance and superiority has been interwoven in the tapestry of our country’s history and who we are and believe.  In Mexico you are either rich or poor and the rich get richer and these rich are running the Mexican government, hmmm, isn’t this the same scenerio in the US?  The Mexican government( Mexico’s affluent) was more than happy to be a part of this agreement to benefit them with continuation of disregard and exploitation of the Mexican poor.  The thing is that the US affluent and the US government which is one in the same as well, did the same thing to the US un or under educated and now poor.  The immigration issue is calculated economics by the world’s affluent and the ignorance results in the economically poor Mexicans receiving the rath and fault, while the two country’s poor battle, the world’s affluent are laughing all the way to the bank:)  The ignorance of the “Us and them” tactic has had detrimental psychological, social, health and economical results. 95% of  the economically poor Mexican people would love or loved to have had a prosperous, healthy, positive and safe life in Mexico within their cultural environment and their famililies.  They leave their families, risk their lives where some survive and some die, sell what they have or borrow money to pay a “coyote” to get them across the border, experience rape, verbal and physical abuse and continued exploitation by individuals, communities, companies, farmers and businesses in this country even by other Mexicans here who have progressed economically or are in positions of power.  NAFTA did not help this and made it worst.  NAFTA is not only an illegal agreement but an immoral one as well, in the end criminal.    
     

  • ED

    Nice speech by the fellow at the end of the show,lot of big words and thoughts,but no answers. It’s amazing that our congressmen and bussinessmen can’t figure out how to keep jobs in the US and put 9 million fellow citizens back to work. Maybe you could do a show on that issue,CREATE JOBS.

  • Anonymous

    And NAFTA and the recent deals with Korea were signed by DEMOCRAT presidents.

  • Anonymous

    When the guy says something I haven’t heard before that is controversial, I research it. He nitpicks the successful Spanish worker cooperative Mondragon, for example. Any alternative to labor arbitrage is great, if you ask me.

    No one should ever accept another person’s entire mindset.

    On the whole, however, when he focuses on specific examples that challenge blind nationalism, blind religiosity, corporate greed, and a complicit media, I am very interested.

  • Anonymous

    It’s not enough to create jobs; they have to be LIVING wage jobs that reverse our trade deficit that has been hemorrhaging dollars for 36  straight years.

  • Gmorgan

    Nafta as I under stood it was suppose to change American jobs from menial labor to hi tech and raise wages. By sending our jobs to other countries, it was suppose to raise the standard of living in foreign countries to buy more goods from us.One problem with that is a lot of the goods we used to produce they are producing so they cannot buy those from us now. Another problem is with their slave labor wages how can they buy our new high tech expensive products if such products did materialize? Nafta is nothing more than an assaut on the middle class and working class wages in this country. Manufacturing made this country strong and helped create a stable middle class that is the foundation of this country and is the stability of this country.Evidently working hard and producing a product does not merit a living wage, health care,and a decent retirement for workers in this country. If you work hard don’t you deserve this? If the U.S. is a consumer economy we should be producing our on products.This country will not survive on a services industry economy.What a lie ”Nafta created more jobs than it cost”, give me a break. Everywhere I drive I see closed manufacuring plants. Come to think about it I do see more Macdonalds and Walmarts. Also how many jobs in this country were lost that relied on the job that went out of the country? The effects of Nafta are plain to see:obviously the workers immediately layed off at the plants,the workers laid off that relied on those workers jobs, teachers and public workers protesting because of losing benefits and their jobs because states don’t have the revenues coming in from taxes, federal government borrowing money from foreign governments that recieved a lot of our jobs, people protesting  the people that benefitted from nafta,a recession that will not end,9+% unemployment(or whatever the real number is, if you run out of unemployment insurance you are no longer counted)Nafta is a disgrace and disaster for this country anybody that don’t see that need to get their head out off their ass and look around!!!!!!!!!

  • Pollyhc

    Two points..
    Who is watching out for our less intelligent? As a math instrutor I know that many US workers need jobs that are not as difficult as the tech jobs touted. Those are the very jobs that are gone.
    Next, who is paying attention to the export (andtheft)of technology? US companies build overseas…..the locals soon, build similar plants, market similar products, sell more and finally export the stuff back to us. Cheaper at the hidden cost of lost jobs here with all the ancillary benefits. No free lunch for anyone.

  • Bruce

    AND GENIE / OVERHEAD DOOR ANNOUNCED CLOSING IT’s ALLIANCE, OHIO PLANT AND MOVING IT’s MANUFACTURING OPERATION TO MEXICO.  THIS WAS ANNOUNCED JUST BEFORE WHIRLPOOLS ANNOUNCEMENT.  DOMINO EFFECT?

  • Pcuz2003

    Best points I read here “Unfortunately, the jobs America lost were pivotal. We replaced manufacturers with Wal-Mart greeters. We have hollowed out our manufacturing base, and decimated our “Arsenal of Democracy.” Because of NAFTA, America is the world’s largest importer and America is growing unsustainable trade deficits from nations like China to Slovenia.”

    Everyone running for office needs to understand that is where this agreement killed our country.

    Another great point – the companies can make bigger profits so who cares about the workers conditions in Mexico?

    Meechan – as usual – hit the nail on the head.  The agreement was made without a Marshall plan. (companies should have to pay their way out of their commitment to their workers)  The companies are more than welcome to make bigger profits to go over seas – but compensate the workers who didn’t go to college or get training in other areas because they thought they had a career with you!

    I agree that unions added to the problem, but a well paid long term employee who is loyal and well trained only helps a company.  Why not share profits with them as well as share holders??

  • Implied

    Nafta is and was a horrible idea. We knew then it would be bad for American jobs, but I don’t think the globalized economy groups knew how bad it would hurt the US. I also don’t think they realize that nafta is not finished with it painful demolition to the US. America has only seen the baby steps of nafta. The US will not be taken down by war or nukes, nafta will take the US down and what’s worse is that we the United States are letting it happen by our own hands. More companies will have to lay people off which will cause less products to be purchased which will cause more people to be laid off which will cause less products to be sold to the now laid off, ect, ect, ect. No, nafta is not finished with America by a long shot. Our leaders only care about globalized economy, they don’t get it. Nafta will never work, a globalized economy will never work because mixing economies of countries that are so different may help a bad economy but it will kill a good economy. We are the walking dead, our country is dead, we just don’t know it yet.

  • Rcost03

    GREED, JEALOUSY, civilizations parana. There is no SHAME on Wall Street.  Tricky Dick Nixon and his goon republicans started NAFTA and it has finally led to the collaps of the American banking system and economy. Bernie Madoff and the republican party have ruined working people chances for a better life.  I have friends in Alliance, thank God they’re retired.

  • Jay

    I lost my job to Mexico that I held with Lennox Industry in Columbus, Ohio.  I then took a job in commercial  property services for half the pay and lost it when the boss hired illegal immigrants that I had to train, earning the title “Master Palone”.

  • Rcost03

    Denim built this country and suits have torn it down!!!!!!

  • Frank Poggio

    NAFTA has been a failure. Ross Perot, considered a kook at
    the time, was right. Mexico
    is in a state of civil war. Globalization has been very badly mismanaged by the
    American powers that be. We have handed the keys to the candy store to our
    competitors, and they, not being fools, have not refused them. The free trade
    ethos of DC and Wall Street, which has been very profitable for those self
    interested parties, may have single handedly killed the American dream for most
    Americans. The Occupy Wall Street protests are the beginning of a populist
    revolt. The silent majority, which is rarely sympathetic to political protests
    of any kind, is sympathetic to these protesters. If we continue the failed
    policies of the last 30 years for the next 30 years, the civil war in Mexico
    will spread north.

     

    What Mickey Kantor is not telling us is that much of his
    salary comes from the Chinese government. He gets paid to participate in “free
    trade think tanks” Chinese government funds. Since Mr. Kantor wants to keep his
    condominium in the exclusive Georgetown
    neighborhood in DC, these position papers only talk about how wonderful “free”
    trade is. Then the Chinese government funds more of these think tanks. These papers
    are then read by DC policy makers and the ideas in those documents eventually become
    the law of the land. Mr. Suarez cannot ask probing questions about any
    conflicts of interests that Mr. Kantor may have, because then Mr. Kantor would
    not appear on his program. So instead, he serves up softballs.

     

    Kofi Anan thinks that globalization is akin to the laws of
    gravity. He is wrong. Nothing is inevitable, the future has not been written, and
    each nation is free to choose its own fate. There is nothing historically
    unusual about a large country being isolationist. I understand isolationism has
    its own set of consequences, but that does not make economic globalization inevitable.

  • Frank Poggio

    Excellent points. Just to add to this, I believe the last decade had negative job creation in the US, and that may have been the first time that that has happened in our nation’s history.

  • http://zengersmag.blogspot.com Mark Gabrish Conlan

    NAFTA has done exactly what it was designed to do: enrich the elites of the U.S., Canada and Mexico and impoverish ordinary people in all three countries. Your program blandly said that by facilitating the importation of U.S. corn into Mexico NAFTA reduced prices for Mexican consumers and gave U.S. farmers an additional export market. What you didn’t say is that it also destroyed the Mexican agricultural sector and gave the Mexicans who formerly had been able to support themselves as small farmers only two options: move to the border cities and try to get jobs in the maquiladoras or cross the border and try to do farm work in the U.S. The explosion in the U.S. population of undocumented immigrants from an estimated 3 million in 1986 to an estimated 12 million today is directly due to NAFTA and also attempts to seal the border like “Operation Gatekeeper” which forced undocumented Mexicans to stay in the U.S. instead of being able to cross the border back and forth relatively easily depending on whether and when there was work available.

  • http://twitter.com/DougShingleton DougShingleton

    what we have lost in this country is an almost insurmountable task that a future president and congress will only learn at the last hour, in the case of desperation, if a world war were to break out. There are so many necessary factories needed to supply our national interests needed during that type of conflict that can not be manufactured and easily transported globally, that we will have to almost certainly surrender without putting up a fight. The rise and success of APPLE computers is the perfect example of how this trade policy has gone wrong. Our county’s most profitable corporation has been allowed to subcontract its manufacturing to China’s FOXCONN, who chose to build its factory in Mexico to service all of North America. As opposed to where, in Brazil, because of smart tariff policy, FOXCONN was forced to open a Brazilian plant and employ approximately 8,000 Brazilians. The same holds true with GE, and Brazilian tariff policy which has forced GE to open numerous factories there. The same holds true for Russia, whose Prime Minister, stated on the floor of their congress, would force auto manufacturers to use domestic parts for assembly. We do not even have a plant manufacturer that makes transmissions in this country for automotive devices. We have so many industries that have disappeared, that would need designers and workers to assemble these many parts of machinery in a time of war, and no set policy to immediately train or set up training for such, that this has become a national security issue. While i do not begrudge corporations the right to make money, and choose what countries we do business, but our lawmakers must also create policies that protect our interests, and they have failed miserably at doing so while other countries have lured them into their bosom.

  • 2Blue Water Diamond

    Captain Obvious:
    Recent comment by CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) on the Fareed Zakaria show: “Business is finished with America.”

    Although the CFR has recently added new membership attempting to create a more acceptable image, Zbignew Brzezinski and David Rockerfeller remain at the epicenter of the organization.

    Quoting from his book, MEMOIRS, David Rockerfeller wrote: “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized indicents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockerfeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as “internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. IF THAT’S THE CHARGE, I STAND GUILTY, AND I AM PROUD OF IT.”

    In his book, WITH NO APOLOGIES, Senator Barry Goldwater wrote: “Does it not seem strange to you that these men just happened to be CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) and just happened to be on the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, that absolutely controls the money and interest rates of this great country? …A privately owned organization, which has absolutely nothing to do with the United States of America!”

    A May, 1976 report of the House Banking and Currency Committee indicated that: The Rothschild banks hold 53% of the stock of the U.S. Federal Reserve through various subsibiaries and affiliates. The entire Rockerfeller fortune was financed by the Rothchild Dynasty.

    In 1993, David Rockerfeller wrote an article for the Wall Street Journal, in the run up to NAFTA, in which he advocated for the signing of NAFTA as essential, describing it as a vital step on the road  to fulfilling his life long work, and that “Every thing is in place, after 500 years, to build a tru “new world” in the Western Hemisphere,” and further, that “I truly don’t think that “criminal” would be to strong a word to describe an action on our part, such as rejecting NAFTA, that would so seriously jeopardize all the good that has been done – and remains to be done.

    It is my contention that the CFR with their control of the FEDERAL RESERVE are doing what “remains to be done”. Brzezinski founded the Trilateral Commission at Rockerfeller’s request. See the E.U. for a snapshot of our future as the N.A.U., the second of three superstates under the SPP Security & Prosperity Partnership which requires surrender of American sovereignty, and democratic rights under the constitution. Only the strength of the undivided determination of the patriotic American middle class stands in their way. Occupy Wall St. (OWS) is continually disparaged by corporate-owned mainstream and cable media.

    Nuff said…draw your own conclusions…

  • demand_sider

    Unions are NOT part of the problem. Korean, German, and Japanese exports to the U.S. use union labor. The problem is a LACK of union power here, not too little. German law REQUIRES labor representation on corporate boards, hence the larger domestic content there. If your logic was correct, wouldn’t union manufacturing be the FIRST to go? Well, this is not what I’m finding. My Systemax computer, my Thorogood shoes, my Masterlock lock, my Ford Focus, Watershed Rainwear, many New Balance shoes, etc are some of the LAST of their product type to be made here. 

  • Greg

    Thanks for your thoughts.
    here is another industry/profession on the way out; Dental lab technology.  i am a one person lab, and make all my work legally and ethically in my own home lab.  I compete with China, Mexico and the world.  40% of all dental lab work is now made offshore. I cannot compete with countries that have no minimum wage, or hours to work in a day, or safety standards.  people will pay the same $500-$1200  fee to the dentist, whether it is made here for $100-$200 or elsewhere $15-$30.   FAIR-TRADE SHOULD BE THE INTERNATIONAL CRY FROM US ALL.

  • Sean

    ROFL that is such a lie. The south used government to enforce slavery even after it had become economically enviable. 

  • El_enrique

    I totally agree with you “Mark Gabrish” people need to look at the problem that NAFTA has caused to both countries.  Its impossible to continue to farm in Mexico under the current conditions (or system).  And I believe that this is not a result of a casuality, but it was by design.  The designed was to force Mexican corn growers to give up producing while making it easier for the rich farmers to produce and sell their goods freely.  And the result is what we have now, the gap between the poorest and reachest has grown, and that thanks to NAFTA.  That has happened on both sides of the border.  There is no win situation in this case, unless you are the 1% of the reachest who has benefited from it.

  • Anonymous

    Here is the partisan vote breakdown.

     South Korea agreement passed 278-151-4.  The Panama agreement passed 300-129-4.  The Colombia agreement passed 262-167-4.

    The GOP voted overwhelmingly to pass all three deals with only 6 to 29 dissenting, as the case may be.  The most R dissenters occurred as to Korea (29). The Ds voted heavily, but not quite overwhelmingly, against all three deals, with between 31 and 66 breaking ranks and approving.  So Obama was not in step with his party.  The most D approvals were for Panama (66), the least significant agreement in gross macroeconomic terms. The least D approvals were for the Colombia agreement (31) which had the special problem of trade unionist murders.  As to the Korea deal, there were 59 D “yes” votes.

    NAFTA was the same, the vast majority of Republicans supported it, most Democrats voted against it in both houses.

    So, if you liked trade deals, vote Republican.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, why the sour grapes?   NAFTA’s unemployed Mexican farmers have been a real boon for some:

    “How a big US bank laundered billions from Mexico’s murderous drug gangs.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...

  • Charlietroy

    NAFTA is supposed to be free trade in North America, right?  So, why is it illegal for American citizens to buy prescription drugs from Canada? 
    Is it:
    A) Because the government was worried about more drugs coming into America illegally?
    or
    (most probably) B) Because the big pharmaceutical companies would not be able to hold onto us Americans as customers and would lose their stranglehold on prescription drugs in America?

    Afterall, why is it that Canada can sell prescription drugs cheaper than America? 
    Is our government really open to free trade for all or just big corporations?
    Very interesting isn’t it!

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, that Chinese made heparin sold by Baxter that has killed 80+ people is OK, though….

    “Tainted heparin that has killed 81 people in the U.S. may have been intentionally contaminated, witnesses appearing before a congressional committee said yesterday.   In written testimony, a Food & Drug Administration (FDA) official told lawmakers that it “does strain one’s credulity” to think that the heparin contamination was accidental.  The head of Baxter International, the company that issued a massive recall of heparin earlier this year, said that he was also of the belief that the heparin contamination was deliberate.”

  • 2 Blue Water Diamond

    El-enrique:
    Mexican farmers were a budding industry prior to NAFTA. The original perception that NAFTA would open up American exports to an emerging consumer market was the spin used to achieve “approval” of NAFTA.

    Instead, NAFTA opened the door for foreign imports of agricultural products that put Mexican farmers out of business and consequently the agricultural farms were openend to drug cartels that fiercely and violently have taken them over.

    The SPP (Security & Prosperity Partnership) originally included Mexico in the NAU (North American Union). Based on the out-of-control violence required to stay in business, the drug cartels necessitated the “shelving” of the SPP. For a time, re-negotiating it, to include the U.S. & Canada, excluding Mexico was considered. It appears that the efforts that are in progress to control the violence in Mexico are more aimed at gaining control of Mexico, in order to proceed with the development of the NAU, based on the original SPP TREATY, or agreement.

    Too bad no one seems to appreciated that NAFTA was illegally passed into law without the required 2/3 majority senate approval required for all U.S. Treaties. When Clinton was unable to generate the required senate votes, he simply called NAFTA  an agreement and declared victory.

    There is no definable difference between the 2 terms. Agreement and treaty are synonymous. Failure of the mainstream media to draw attention to this violation of the constitution, simply demonstrates the cooperation of the media with the elites, who are seeking global governance. As free trade agreements continue to be promoted as “necessary prerequisites to globalization”, the middle class around the world continues to loose ground in its fight for survival. By design, with the cooperation government, corporate power and the press, only the strength of an undivided middle class recognizing that unholy alliance, has any potential of avoiding what has happened in the E.U. from spreading to the North American continent.

  • 2 Blue Water Diamond

    Rcost03:
    When Gerarld Ford, was “appointed” as Vice President, …then advanced to President of the U.S. to replace Nixon after his resignation under threat of impeachment, as a U.S. president who was NOT ELECTED (Ford) made the choice to PARDON Nixon for illegal acts he committed as the leader of the free world. That precedent was the beginning of the end of the United States as a republic.

    Not only has the American Government proceeded to declare itself above the law, but now wealthy, powerful, private industry icons are also excluded from prosecution under the laws of the United States, including the constitution. 

    Where there is no law, chaos inevitably follows. The U.S. Constitution states that “no man is above the law.” Yet, the constitutional scholar who resides in the White House has assumed the authority to decide that former administration officials who openly, willingly, and admittedly have violated national and international law should not be investigated or prosecuted. The American Justice Dept., headed by Eric Holder, was originally set up to represent, defend and protect the citizens of the United States. However, it unmistakably appears that the Justice Dept. is no longer independent of Executive Branch control. When President Obama, stated he chose “Not to look back,” the Justice Department apparently made the same decision????  Placing the highest elected officials above the law, repeatedly, removes any incentive for the U.S. Government to abide by the laws that were designed to protect U.S. citizens from the very kind government corruption that the original settlers took flight from.

    The U.S. Government now functions with as much corruption as any third world country. Separation of powers, one of the mainstays of the U.S. Constitution, with the checks and balances designed to maintain the power of the law seem no longer to be effective. The legislative branch has descended into a self-governing entity making laws that legalize bribery, under another name: “campaign contributions”, and or “lobbying”…both house of congress are no longer representatives of the citizens they represent. The Supreme Court has descended into Thomas Jefferson’s worst nightmare with its ability to change the constitution based on partisan influenced interpretations of the Founder’s intent. And the Executive Branch continues to demonstrate its loyalty to protecting the wealth and power of those who actually run this country.

    Who that might be is answered in the words of Alan Greenspan who has publicly stated that “There is no power greater than the FED.” (FEDERAL RESERVE). Interestingly , not elected to represent the people, as provided by the constitution, Greensnpan’s admission should give pause  for consideration of that statement. …As the founder of the Rothschild Dynasty, Mayer Amschel Bauer stated, “Allow me to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who makes its laws.”

    THE FEDERAL RESERVE issues and controls the money and interest rates of the United States. The original shareholders of the FED granted themselves the exclusive right to control the United States economy and profit from that control with no transparency and and no accountability required. (Kind of like your bank being allowed to do anything it wants with your money, with no explanation and no bank statements.) Using fractional reserve lending, the FED generates a 90% profit on every dollar it issues to the United States, plus interest. American taxpayers have been held hostage to repaying every dollar issued by the FED at face value, plus interest since the FEDERAL RESERVE ACT of 1913 was passed into law, in violation of the constitutional provision that restricts the issue and control of U.S. currency to the U.S. government.(That provision was imply ignored, …never addressed.)  Before reacting to the repulsive thought of the U.S. Government issuing and controlling U.S. currency, consider that the U.S. Government might not be in the shape it’s currently in, had the FEDERAL RESERVE ACT been recognized as a violation of the U.S. Constitution, as the supreme law of this land. As a private, for-profit banking corporation, the profits of the FED are distributed to the bank’s shareholders, not deposited in the U.S. treasury. Those shareholders do not include American taxpayers. Once again, WHERE THERE IS NO LAW, CHAOS INEVITABLY FOLLOWS proves to be applicable.

    In case there’s any question, a May, 1976 report of the House Banking and Currency Committee indicated that the Rothschild banks hold 53% of the stock of the U.S. Federal Reserve through various subsidiaries and affiliates…and that was 35 years ago!

  • Guest

    You are absolutely right – I agree.  What free trade?  Why did Congress create a monopoly for Big Pharma?  Were they paid off?  Insofar as Mexico is concerned – it has been a rush to the bottom for Middle Class wage earners – They are the losers – but we are doing nothing to help them.  And insofar as “Need to Know” stating that NAFTA has created more jobs than it has destroyed – WHERE ARE THESE JOBS?  In case they haven’t noticed, the unemployment rate is 9.7% – officially and probably 14% when those who are unemployed or who are so discouraged that they quit looking.  WHERE DID THEY GET THEIR STATISTICS? 

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  • Guest

    While I ordinarily like Jon Meachem – he needs to think again about investing more $$ in education.  We already have thousands of educated people = unemployed, can’t find jobs and unable to repay their student loans.  And the idea of investing more $$ in education – what education – have to be careful or we will be investing in more education for jobs that can be sent overseas to China – auto mechanics, waiters and waitresses, hair dressers, police and firemen (many unemployed) are only a few of the jobs that cannot be sent overseas.  Jobs at McDonald and Walmart will also be difficult to send overseas – but those jobs don’t pay enough to live on much above the poverty level. 

    Has Obama, Congress, the Tea Partiers and all of the other assorted clowns in Washington taken leave of their senses.

  • Dena

    Here’s another:  I had lunch today with a sale rep. for a title insurance company.  She said that they were REQUIRED to outsource a percentage of their title searches and could be prosecuted if they did not do so.  She said that the work product received was frequently incorrect and everything had to be re-checked by American employees; nevertheless, a portion of all requests for title searches must be handled by employees outside the US. 

  • Calintellectual

    NAFTA was the beginning of the end for Mexico, followed by the “Plan Merida”, and like if these catastrophic ‘plans’ were not enough … the U.S. comes up with even more catastrophic ‘operations’ like “Fast & Furious”.

  • Anonymous

    Charlietroy:
    To answer your questions…The American middle class is seen as a major roadblock in progress toward the NAU (North American Union). The SPP Security & Prosperity Partnership requires surrender of American sovereignty and democratic rights under the U.S. Constitution.

    Patriotic Americans who have fought for their freedom & rights will fiercely (I hope) reject any such notion. Yet, the SPP was agreed to and signed by Bush 43. It offers no choice to U.S. citizens. European nations had a choice on whether to join the E.U. or not. The French, Dutch and Irish originally refused to surrender sovereignty, but were given the option to withdraw, after much negotiation.

    In order to weaken resistance of middle class Americans, we are being undermined financially, in every way possible. Jobs lost due to NAFTA, collective bargaining rights are under assault, as is Union membership. The law preventing Americans from buying prescription drugs serves two purposes…1. keeps pharma profits high enough to lessen pharma objections to Obama’s HCR, (He negotiated with pharma behind closed doors with them prior to congressional HCR negotiations. 2. Adds to the financial burden that continues to increase from all directions on the middle class.

    We’re given the propaganda by mainstream media that the law is protecting us from questionable pharmaceuticals, at the same time V.A. pharmaceuticals are imported from all the places U.S. non military citizens are prevented by law, to purchase lower cost prescription drugs from. It’s just another lie, and President Obama has done nothing to change it.

    Keep in mind that those “free trade agreements” provide free trade only in America. All other free trade agreement signatories retain their import tariffs in varying amounts in the agreements. The U.S. has lost billions in import tariffs, increasing the U.S. trade deficit exponentially, while luring American business and jobs to foreign nations which lowers the cost of corporate production in more than just the slave labor that is available. 

    At the same time Obama claims his priority is creating American jobs, pressuring congress for approval of 3 additional trade agreements renders him disingenuous. The greatest dangers is the American jobs going to South Korea will be given to the 40,000 North Koreans already employed in S.Korea. That will provide the path for wages to be filtered back to North Korea, strengthening its economy, with additional potential of providing funds for additional Nuclear Weapons development.

    Keep an eye on Greece. Pressure from the G20 Summit leaders will continue to be applied to eliminate the referendum vote. Anarchy had already broken out in Greece due to the unreasonable prerequisite demands for austerity made by the IMF (International Monetary Fund).

    Although the private bailout is still on the table for Greece, citizens worldwide should be wary. Following the April 2009, G20 Summit, leaders issued a communique which set the ground work for the creation of a global currency to replace the dollar as the world reserve currency. The communique stated that the G20 leaders have activated the IMF’s power to create money and begin global quantitative easing. In doing so, they put a de facto world currency into play. It is outside the control of any sovereign body.

    The FEDERAL RESERVE will be replaced by the IMF, as a world-wide central bank, operating in much the same way, with no transparency and no accountability. Investors are aware that if Greece is bailed out with private funds and its economy fails anyway, the bailout from the IMF will cover their losses just as TARP did for Wall St.

    Anarchy in Greece, in Greece, is much more likely the result of the ever-incrasing, tightening grip of E.U. leadership. The president of the Czech Republic recently stated: “The E.U. reminds us of COMECON.” (Moscow’s organization for economic control of the Soviet bloc.) He elaborated further saying that “the developments in the E.U. are really dangerous with regard to moving out of a free society and moving toward masterminding control and and regulation.”

    Currently, the Lisbon Treaty, introduced as addenda to the E.U. Constitution, which eliminated all national veto rights, creates an “Interior Ministry” which will centralize databases holding all fingerprints and DNA, make E.U. legislation on new police and surveillance powers, additionally  creating a E.U. legal personality and ascendancy over national courts.

    As a result of the embarrassing series of rejections by E.U. nations, it was determined that international governance tends to be effective, only when it is anti-democratic. The Free Trade Agreements are presented as beneficial prerequisites to the inevitability of globalization by the American media. In reality the trade agreements grant corporate power over national governments, which was the only power great enough to protect citizens from corporate abuse.

    In 1993, David Rockerfeller wrote an article for the Wall St. Journal in the run up to NAFTA, in which he advocated for the signing of NAFTA as essential, describing it as a vital step on the road to fulfilling his lifelong work, and that “Everything is in place – after 500 years – to build a true “new world” in the Western Hemisphere.”

    Zbignew Brzezinski created the trilateral commission for Rockerfeller. The E.U. is the first of three super states proposed by the commission, that the NAU is on track to follow. Asia will be the third since China is even more protective of its sovereignty than the U.S. Take notice that the Chinese are arming themselves with a massive military complex,  The OWS is growing even as the media continues to disparage the movement, because the strength contained within the undivided, unrelenting determination to retain American sovereignty and democratic rights has the potential of derailing the Globalists, as they continue in their lust for power, attempting to create a NEW WORLD ORDER with a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

    Arrogant, opinionated disparging remarks claiming Greek socialism is the blame for the Greek financial difficulties,fails to include the fact that Greece, like the rest of the world is suffering from the fraudulent sales in the OTC dark markets where the bad debt created by the American financial crises was sold,bundled with historically safe, American mortgage backed securities to unsuspecting foreign nations,government investment fund managers and retirement fund managers. Thanks to Alan Greenspan’s interference that prevented the CFTC from requiring transparency and regulations of thos markets, they remain unregulated,till today. 

  • John

    If you ask most people in Canada, the US and Mexico, they’ll say that NAFTA is not such a good thing. The reason they’ll give, though, is that people in the other two countries are exploiting it for gain at their expense. Everyone thinks they got the short end of the stick. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7HDE7KK4GMFIY3Q37V4GYMVEOM Nunya B

    Frankly, none of us knows where all this will lead, but to err on the side of caution is advisable. This writer has a compelling argument that should be read.
    Personally, I feel NAFTA was the begining of real-time globalization.  Let me explain: Dell Computers, in fact, has their components built in China and shipped to the Free Trade Zone in Mexico for assembly.  This robs Americans of jobs and tax revenue that would be derived from being assembled in China and imported from that country. Get the picture??

  • Anonymous

    As a retired real estate broker, I can safely state that the real estate industry will continue to be severely, adversely impacted by the lack of reliability of title searches and title insurance, for many years to come.

    After the inflation caused solely by the FEDERAL RESERVE, as the only source of power in the U.S. authorized to create inflation, deflation and to profit from both, since the FED controls over 70% of all daily banking deposits, through its member banks, nationwide, the bad debt that resulted from lax oversight of appraisals, and borrower qualifications, including those created in the FED’S MEMBER BANKS, was bundled with traditionally sound U.S. mortgage backed investments. THE BANKS DISPOSED OF MOUNTAINS OF THE PAPER WORK, including loan documents necessary for foreclosures, once the banks rid themselves of the bad debt. It was then sold in the OTC “dark markets” to unsuspecting national governments, national investment fund managers and retirement fund managers spreading the economic collapse around the world. Alan Greenspan, FED chairman at the time, did everything in his power to block the CFTC (Commodities Futures Trading Commission) from requiring transparency and regulation of those markets…and that was AFTER he convinced Clinton that Glass-Stegall, should be repealed!

    When subsequent government provided programs for mortgage and foreclosure relief were provided, Timothy Geithner, current U.S. Treasury Secretary continually refused to allow any of those funds for legal council, that would establish whether the banks had the necessary paper work to proceed. Illegall foreclosures resulted and flourished. The banks, due to their legal prowess, and expertise in working the system have averaged a $100,000 profit on ever foreclosure whether legal or otherwise.

    Buying foreclosures may sound like a wonderful idea, but reselling with clear title based on such illegal, ongoing activity by the banks will be a nightmare. Keep in mind even as massive as AIG was, it did NOT have the assets to cover all the insurance it had written. Trusting any Title Insurance Company can withstand lawsuits that will inevitably result will be risky at best.

    It was an ingenious plan that served to eliminate the most reliable source of middle class wealth in America, …equity in real estate, primarily in primary residences. The deflation that has followed with banks refusing to lend while sitting on trillions, (def. of deflation: decreasing the amount of cash & credit in circulation) is primarily the result of FEDERAL RESERVE policy, created with no transparency or accountability. Those member banks follow FED policy, and it’s serving to drive real estate values even lower, while stalling any economic recovery.

    Following the April, 2009 G20 Summit the G20 leaders issued a communique which set the ground workd for the creation of a global currency to replace the dollar as the world reserve currency. The communique stated that the G20 leaders have activated the IMF’s (International Monetary Fund) power to create money and begin global quantitative easing. In doing so, they put a de facto world currency into play. It is outside the control of any sovereign body.

    The IMF is scheduled to replace the FEDERAL RESERVE, as a world-wide global central bank, operating similarly without transparency or accountability. Make sure to read communiques issued after those G20 Summits…All are listed on the G20 website and just need to be clicked to open. Those Summits are held behind closed doors with no press coverage.

    Founder of the Rothschild Dynasty, Mayer Amschel Bauer’s once said, “Allow me to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who makes its laws.” Using fractional reserve lending, the FED generates a 90% profit on every dollar it issues to the U.S. As a private, for-profit banking corporation, the profit goes to the bank shareholders NOT THE U.S. Treasury.
    To summarize, American taxpayers are obligated to repay $10 for every dollar  issued by the FED due to the provisions of the FEDERAL RESERVE ACT OF 1913, created by the original shareholders of the bank and passed into law in violation of the U.S. constitutional provision that restricts the issue and control of U.S. currency to the U.S. government. Although that is a revolting thought, currently, …consider that the U.S. government might not have degenerated if the constitution was enforced…and elected U.S. government officials were held accountable to the supreme law of this land. Now that wealthy private sector individuals appear above the law, as well, all we can hope for is the strength-in-numbers of an undivided American middle class demanding change. The constitution states that “no man is above the law”… Did we forget?

  • Phet

     NAFTA is horrible does not creat jobs in US loss of Billions of dollars from companies going SOUTH also revenues from Tarrifs of goods – creats low paying jobs in poor countries(MEXICO) invite more ILLEGAL migrationdrugs to the north now Trucks from Mexico can be rolling on the American Highways more trouble for Law inforcement Americas Truckers beware. Now we have Walmart who is notorious for useing slave workerssweat shops for big profit and putting a huge burden on the AMERICA health care by slashing health care for part time workers and a 30-40 percent increase in health for their full Workers this is why NAFTA does not work only invite more GREED from Families like the Waltons, Rockafellers, Bushes, Cheney. When corporations who are making Billions of Dollers by importings goods from these free trade ZONES killing JOBs in America. This is WHY the Supreme Court got it wrong when they allow Corporations to fund elections. We need term limits for Reps. in Congress and Senate and why should they keep their post for life does not do any good for the Country when a Rep. can ensitually sit out a Presidents on issues and get elected again when the President Term limited out these People are Whores to the Corporations.

  • Calintellectual

    Only a few companies have actually gone “south” (Mexico), because the greed does not stop most companies have gone to China because there they can exploit workers even more and bypass environmental concerns even more. In fact, Mexico is also loosing out to China BIG-TIME, just like the U.S.

  • demand_sider

    I don’t THINK the U.S. middle class has gotten the short end of the stick, I KNOW it.

    “Although U.S. domestic exports to its NAFTA partners have increased
    dramatically—with real growth of 95.2% to Mexico and 41% to
    Canada—growth in imports of 195.3% from Mexico and 61.1% from Canada
    overwhelmingly surpass export growth,…
    The resulting $30 billion U.S. net export deficit with these countries
    in 1993 increased by 281% to $85 billion in 2002 (all figures in
    inflation-adjusted 2002 dollars). As a result, NAFTA has led to job
    losses in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.”

    Source: Economic Policy Institute

  • Anonymous

    You are 100% correct. I hope the OWS movement continues to grow before its to late, to reverse the mess the polititions have created.As a retired Union Official with over 55 yrs as a worker in our factories, which are now mostly gone! What are the people suppose to do in this country to support their families? Everyone can’t go to college nor should they, we can bring back the jobs we lost because of NAFTA, and we should, but we have to elect people who are for American Workers, not AGAINST THEM….. which both parties have been for the last 30 years!!!!
     One more item, “Illegal Immigration” this has had a serious effect on the building trades, restaurants, landscaping, etc,etc,! This is also by design,to get these people to replace citizens at a far,far lower wage with little or NO benefits! If this were not the case they would change the laws to make them LEGAL workers! But they like it this way so they can EXPLOIT them and us at the same time! If they complain or try to join a union, its back to MEXICO!!  

  • 2BlueWaterDiamond

    In my opinion, we must deal with priorities…first…NAFTA was passed into law in violation of the constitutional provision that requires a 2/3 Senate majority vote for ALL TREATIES. When Clinton couldn’t generate the necessary votes, he simply declaref “victory” for NAFTA after claiming it was an “agreement”. There is no definable difference in those terms. They are synonymous.

    THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT of 1913 was passed into law in violation of the constitutional provision that restricts the issue and control of U.S. currency to the U.S. government. That provision has NEVER been addressed.

    Alan Greenspan has publicly stated that “There is no power greater than the FED!” As the only source of power authorized to create “inflation” (defined as flooding the market with cash and easy credit), and deflation (defined as restricting the amount of cash & credit in circulation…THE FEDERAL RESERVE granted itself the right to control the U.S. economy and profit from that control with no transparency and no accountability. Based on the FED’s exclusive power, there can be no other source blamed for the inflation that fueled the real estate bubble. The current refusal of banks to issue loans for small business and mortgages, again, cannot be attributed to anything but the FED…since it controls over 70% of daily banking deposits in the U.S. through its member banks located throughout the nation. The bad debt that was created due to lax regulation of appraisals and buyer qualification, was originated in large part by those FED member banks. Alan Greenspan’s (FED chairman at the  time) interference with the CFTC (Commodities Futures Trading Commission) that blocked the CFTC from requiring transparency and regulation of the OTC “dark markets” where the economic collapse was spread world-wide, through sales of the “bad debt” to unsuspecting national and international investment fund managers, who typically depended on the return of those historically “safe” investments” backed by U.S. mortgages, to supplement the funds needed to meet their financial obligations. 

    THE FED must be ended. Unfortunately, the most recently proposed legislation in the House requiring transparency and an audit of the FED was opposed by the White House and Timothy Geithner, which lead to its defeat (even when the dems. had a majority in the house). This demonstrates Obama’s loyalty to preserving the wealth & power of the elites who run this country, especially since Geithner’s conflict of interest is even greater than Hank Paulson”s as former head of Goldman. Little known fact is that Paulson was granted an “ethics waiver” by the Bush 43 administration that was not disclosed until AFTER TARP was approved. As former head of the N.Y. FED, because of the way the system is organized, whoever heads the N.Y. FED runs the system. When Obama chose Geithner as U.S. Treasury Secretary, the handwriting was on the wall. Incidentally, many Americans are not aware of the FED’s use of “fractional reserve lending” which guarantees a 90% profit on every dollar the FED issues to the U.S. and that’s before compounded daily interest.

    Immigaration, although another huge issue is dwarfed by the two mentioned above. As a former member of the TEAMSTER’S, there’s no denying that unions have their drawbacks. However, the only thing that the elites fear is the power contained within a united middle class in America, refusing to surrender American sovereignty and democratic rights under the U.S. Constitution. Evidenced in media coverage of the OWS movement, the attempts to discredit the movement must not discourage it… I suspect that the gridlock in the U.S. government is designed to create apathy and indifference among the American electorate in anticipation of presenting another option in the form of the NAU (North American Union) under the SPP (Security & Prosperity Partnership) already agreed to and signed by Bush 43 in ’05 or ’06. Don’t be fooled…we’ll be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire, if we choose to surrender American sovereignty and democracy. The E.U. nations were given a choice in joining, U.S. citizens are afforded NO CHOICE in joining the NAU under the SPP.

  • Rebeccaw9

    My husband and I had a hosiery mill which China obtained ue to NAFTA and the free trade agreements. As our business began to see we were in trouble due to China’s low bids on hosiery,I wrote all my congressman and senators and pleaded for them to vote no on all free trade agreements.I told them one day Americans would find themselves without jobs. Every congressman and senator wrote back to me and said”free trade is great for America”. Now everyone of them are saying they did not vote for free trade. Isn’t that just like the whole bunch in Washington.When they make a mistake and know it, they will lie and deny the truth instead of saying “I WAS WRONG!!!” I am sick of their lies and I don’t understand why everyone who has lost a company or job, doesn’t question each Alabama Senator or Congressman who denies their vote. I didn’t vote for any of them in the last election and I hope others will follow the laws these “officials” keep passing that continue to hurt our economy.They gave themselves a raise this year  while they are making six figure salaries and the people of their state continued to be unemployed.I agree with you about term limits. Otherwise, we are going to keep having corruption from these senators and congressman.I say “throw them all out in the next election and let them see we want the truth and not continual lies.

  • Rebeccaw9

    NOT CHINA!! They are laughing in our face right now!

  • Dena

    I think our leaders “get it” exactly.  They knew what they were doing… traitors all of them.  Democrats and republicans.

  • 2BlueWater Diamond

    In my opinion, we must deal with priorities…first…NAFTA was passed into law in violation of the constitutional provision that requires a 2/3 Senate majority vote for ALL TREATIES. When Clinton couldn’t generate the necessary votes, he simply declaref “victory” for NAFTA after claiming it was an “agreement”. There is no definable difference in those terms. They are synonymous.

    THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT of 1913 was passed into law in violation of the constitutional provision that restricts the issue and control of U.S. currency to the U.S. government. That provision has NEVER been addressed.

    Alan Greenspan has publicly stated that “There is no power greater than the FED!” As the only source of power authorized to create “inflation” (defined as flooding the market with cash and easy credit), and deflation (defined as restricting the amount of cash & credit in circulation…THE FEDERAL RESERVE granted itself the right to control the U.S. economy and profit from that control with no transparency and no accountability. Based on the FED’s exclusive power, there can be no other source blamed for the inflation that fueled the real estate bubble. The current refusal of banks to issue loans for small business and mortgages, again, cannot be attributed to anything but the FED…since it controls over 70% of daily banking deposits in the U.S. through its member banks located throughout the nation. The bad debt that was created due to lax regulation of appraisals and buyer qualification, was originated in large part by those FED member banks. Alan Greenspan’s (FED chairman at the  time) interference with the CFTC (Commodities Futures Trading Commission) that blocked the CFTC from requiring transparency and regulation of the OTC “dark markets” where the economic collapse was spread world-wide, through sales of the “bad debt” to unsuspecting national and international investment fund managers, who typically depended on the return of those historically “safe” investments” backed by U.S. mortgages, to supplement the funds needed to meet their financial obligations. 

    THE FED must be ended. Unfortunately, the most recently proposed legislation in the House requiring transparency and an audit of the FED was opposed by the White House and Timothy Geithner, which lead to its defeat (even when the dems. had a majority in the house). This demonstrates Obama’s loyalty to preserving the wealth & power of the elites who run this country, especially since Geithner’s conflict of interest is even greater than Hank Paulson”s as former head of Goldman. Little known fact is that Paulson was granted an “ethics waiver” by the Bush 43 administration that was not disclosed until AFTER TARP was approved. As former head of the N.Y. FED, because of the way the system is organized, whoever heads the N.Y. FED runs the system. When Obama chose Geithner as U.S. Treasury Secretary, the handwriting was on the wall. Incidentally, many Americans are not aware of the FED’s use of “fractional reserve lending” which guarantees a 90% profit on every dollar the FED issues to the U.S. and that’s before compounded daily interest.

    Immigaration, although another huge issue is dwarfed by the two mentioned above. As a former member of the TEAMSTER’S, there’s no denying that unions have their drawbacks. However, the only thing that the elites fear is the power contained within a united middle class in America, refusing to surrender American sovereignty and democratic rights under the U.S. Constitution. Evidenced in media coverage of the OWS movement, the attempts to discredit the movement must not discourage it… I suspect that the gridlock in the U.S. government is designed to create apathy and indifference among the American electorate. e c

  • Bill

    It’s funny how fast this poll was pulled off the PBS homepage. Was PBS surprised just how much anger and resentment NAFTA has caused? I would love to see this poll mentioned on one of Paul’s “Making Sense” segments. With more publicity there might actually be enough public support to get this thing repealled. (mabe thats why it was pulled so quickly?)

  • 2BlueWaterDiamond

    Rebeccaw9… We mustn’t underestimate the power of the elites that control this country. Although we are overwhelmingly in debt to China, based on the Trilateral Commission’s work, 3 superstates (trilateral) are being formed. The first of course was the E.U. which began with a series of trade agreements, in the late 1980′s. Due to several embarrassing setbacks in creating the E.U., during the process, the conclusion that Global Governance works best only when it is anti-democratic. E.U. Nations were provided a “choice” in whether to join, but…the E.U. Constitution, and subsequent Lisbon Treaty have provisions that prevent the those documents from taking effect if any E.U. nation refuses to join. Initially the French, Dutch and Irish refused…but were coaxed into signing on after negotiating a provision that allows their withdrawal.

    Recent remarks by the president of the Czech Republic: “The E.U. reminds of of COMECON.” (Moscow’s organization for economic control of the Soviet bloc.) Stating further: “the developments in the E.U. are really dangerous with regard to moving out of a free society and moving more and more toward masterminding control and regulation.” 

    The NAU, (North American Union) is the second of the proposed superstates. The greatest roadblock anticipated is the strength contained within the undivided middle class Americans, who have fought so hard to defend their freedom and democratic rights under the constitution. In undermining the wealth of the middle class, they are undermining the strength of middle class resistance…based on the theory …”MONEY IS POWER.”… The SPP (Security & Prosperity Partnership) agreed to and signed by Bush 43, was shelved for a while due to the violence caused by the drug cartels in Mexico…

    The E.U. is faltering for more reasons than just economic collapse of smaller nations. When the IMF (International Monetary Fund) makes offers of financial relief or loans, they make prerequisite, stringent, austerity demands, designed to eliminate the remaining power (MONEY) contained within international middle classes. This has been going on for a long time as the superpower of the U.S. goes into developing countries, offers financial assistance for development of infrastructures, public utilities, etc, with those invisible strings attached guaranteeing the wealth of the new nation belongs to the IMF. It’s all done through USAID (United States Aid for International Development). The American people are led to believe we are doing humanitarian work, spreadin democracy, but that is the furthers from the truth it can get. If the leader of any developing nation refuses the offer of financial aid, they are threatened with replacement…in one way or another. Chalmers Johnson has a series of “Blowback” novels describing his experiences working for the U.S. Government that illustrates this…

    In regard to China, they are the last of the three superstates proposed…Even more protective of their sovereignty, than the U.S., the military complex they are building may well be in anticipation of defending Asian sovereignty.  Britain was able to maintain their currency due to their power to refuse the Euro…similar to those options to withdraw, negotiated to get the French, Dutch and Irish to sign on.

    Some may question “WHY” this is happening…I offer the following quotes for your review: David Rockerfeller wrote in is book “MEMOIRS”, that, “For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attch the Rockerfeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions.  Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global  political and economic structure – one world, if you will. IF THAT’S THE CHARGE, I STAND GUILTY, AND I AM PROUD OF IT.”

    In 1993, David Rockerfeller wrote an article for the Wall Street Journal, in the run up to NAFTA, in which he advocated for the signing of NAFTA as essential describing it as a vital step on the road to fulfilling his life long work, and that, “Everything is in place – after 500 years to build a true “new world in the Western Hemisphere.” and further, that “I truly don’t think that “criminal” would be too strong a word to describe an action on our part, such as rejecting NAFTA, that would so seriously jeopardize all the good that has been done…and remains to be done.

    Zbignew Brzezinski, father created the Trilateral Commission at Rockerfeller’s request. Both of them remain at the epicenter of the (CFR) Council on Foreign Relations.

    Republican Senator Barry Goldwater wrote in his book: WITH NO APOLOGIES, “Does it not seem strange to you that these men just happened to be CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) and just happened to be on the Board of Governors of the FEDERAL RESERVE, that absolutely ontrols the money and interest rates of this great country? …A privately owned organization …which has absolutely nothing to do with the United States of America!”

    A May, 1976 report of the House B anking and Currency Committee indicated: “The Rothschild banks hold 53% of the stock of the U.S. Federal Reserve through various subsidiares and afiliates. The Rothschilds financed the entire Rockerfeller fortune back to the original John D. Mayer Amschel Bauer, founder of the Rothschild Dynasty famously stated over 200 yrs. ago, “Allow me to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who makes its laws.”

    Using fractional reserve lending, the FEDERAL RESERVE generates a 90% profit on every dollar it issues to the United States, plus compounded daily interest. That profit is paid to the shareholders of the FED, which include the major banks, i.e., Goldman, Chase, Citibank…the list is long…that got the obligation-free billions in TARP FUNDS. So, they generated an economic collapse, that rendered them cash, and are collecting $10.00 for every dollar American taxpayers are obligated to repay plus interest.. Mayer Amschel Bauer’s idea of fractional reserve lending has rendered .the Rothschilds the most wealthy people in the world. But…I guess when you’re that wealthy, power to rule the world is next…

    The economic collapse is perhaps the greatest opportunity ever, to reshape the world according to their ideals and priorties. During the 1990′s corporate profits had leveled out based on middle class progress in the work place, fair wages, benefits, and safety requirements. Seeking to increase profits “financialization” or betting on the future worth of commodities was much more lucrative. With no regulation, and no transparency in the OTC markets where those investments were sold, collapse was inevitable…ENRON is the best example of what would eventually take place. Alan Greenspan, Chairman of the FED at the time, was responsible for convincing Clinton to repeal Glass-Steagall which enabled the gambling to begin. Americans are led to believe that the FED chairman is chosen by the president and approved by congress. In fact the FUTURE Chairman’s name is given to the U.S. president, chosen by the bank. The CHAIRMAN OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE works for the bank. His job is to produce profit for the bank at the expense of the American people. The FED has continued to make every effort to hide these facts from U.S. citizens, including the name they chose and the location of their headquarter bank in Washington. They control our economy with no transparency and no accountability for what they do with our money due to provisions in the FEDERAL RESERVE ACT OF 1913, written by the original shareholders of the bank and passed into law in violation of the constitutional provision that restricts the issue and control of U.S. currency to the U.S.government. Every world power in history has failed as a result of central banking.

    Iran remains one of the last nations operating without a central bank. Iraq & Afghanistan, similarly have been invaded, and privatized (corporate expansion), using American military forces to irradicate leaders who refused central banking systems. Two months after Bush 43 bombed Iraq, he introducted MEFTA, (Middle East Free Trade Agreement) based largely on the Bearing Point contract created by the Bearing Point Corporation, established by the Bush 43 administration, it is located in Virgina. Having been paid $750 million for the service, The Bearing Point contract for Afghanistan followed…

    China, quickly establishing its world power status, will fight to retain its sovereignty…Americans will be informed that China is a threat to world peace…when their time comes… Hearing rumors of proposed invasion of Iran, should give us great pause. Recognizing his strength lies within the support of the Iranian people, Ahmadinajad (sp?) eliminated all subsidies formerly paid to energy producing corporations, and dispersed the funds to the people of Iran… No fan of extremists, here…but the propaganda dispersed by corporate-owned media should be taken with a grain of salt… Sorry for the diatribe…
    .very.

  • demand_sider

    Yeah, and the G.E. network (NBC), The Toshiba- Westinghouse network (CBS), and the Disney network (ABC) are even bigger shills for the continued destruction of our manufacturing base.

  • demand_sider

    People are intelligent in different fields. I have yet to meet a person who is equally intelligent in all matters.

  • Anonymous

    skywest…
    Apparently the poll has been pulled…based on some of the remarks and comments of late…
    It’s frightening to think how powerful the forces that are controlling the media.
    Yes, immigrations IS A PROBLEM…
    However, nothing will be done about it because immigrant workers serve the same purpose as NAFTA, and the economic crises. It is a concerted effort to undermine the wealth (Money is power) and therefore the power of the middle class to resist surrendering of American sovereignty, and democratic rights under the U.S. Constitution.

  • mkd

    Our politico continues to push more free trade agreements which help “emerging countries” while our economy stands still.  The China currency devaluation had the affect of a free trade agreement on their side. Does our govt want the US to continue to be the richest and most powerful in the world? Look at the debt they are piling up for future US generations with their deficit spending.  I think that displays how little they care about the future of the US. Bush said “We are going down!” at the start of the Great Recession.  Prophetic. 

  • 2BlueWaterDiamond

    mkd…
    Our politico’s priority is to end American sovereignty and eliminate democratic rights under the U.S. Constitution. Bush 43 negotiated and signed the SPP (Security & Prosperity Partnership) in 2005. Patriotic middle class Americans who have fought for and defended their country, their rights and their freedom, are seen as a major roadblock to the NAU, (North American Union), under the terms of the SPP. In order to stem the strength of that resistance, the wealth of the middle class has been under assault.

    Using the stranglehold of the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK/SYSTEM, through its member banks, the FED generated inflation, flooding the market with easy credit, through FED member banks due to their control of over 70% of U.S. daily banking deposits, nation wide. By extending credit to unqualified homebuyers, encouraging lax oversight of appraisers, they knowingly generated mortgage debt that would inevitably fail. In doing so, the middle class was cast into debt bondage.

    The marketing of the bad debt was made possible by Alan Greenspan’s interference with the CFTC (Commodities Futures Trading Commission). The head of the CFTC had gone to congress urging that transparency be required and those marekts needed to be regulated due to the fraud that was already taking place. Greenspan stated that the testimony of the CFTC’s testimony was based on “anomaly” which was not true. Congress, following Greenspan’s advice, enabled the fraudulent marketing of the bad debt, to national and international investment fund managers, spreading the economic collapse around the world.

    When the real estate bubble burst, due to the inevitable foreclosures, the FED instituted a deflationary policy, restricting credit for mortgages and small business which is serving to drive down real estate value even further.

    The E.U. is the first of the three superstates engineered by the Trilateral Commission, made possible by underming European economy with the fraud made possible by Greenspan. The E.U. began with a series of trade agreements similar to those the U.S. has been subjected to…all of which enable the exporting of business and jobs to developing foreign nations due to the corporate power over government granted in those trade agreements.

    Extending the assault to any and all potential organized “strength in numbers,” collective bargaining rights, including public and private unions are being weakened. Jobless, homeless, weakened by the loss of retirement funds and savings, due the economic collapse, enabled in great part by Greenspan’s convincing Clinton to end the Glass-Steagall Act, there can be no mistaking the role of the FED, as the only souce of power in the U.S. that is aurhorized to create inflation and deflation.

    It appears we have reached a point, that the president feels he can move on to that third superstate as he works for the elite globalists, negotiating trade agreements that will extend to Asia.

    Following the April, 2009 G20 Summit, leaders issued a communique which set the gorund work for the creation  of a global currency to replace the dollar as the world reserve currency. The communique stated that the G20 leaders (including Obama) have activated the IMF’s power to create money and begin global quantitative easing. In doing so they put a de facto world currency into play. It is outside the control of any sovereign body. (See comminiques listed on the G20 website for verification.) The IMF is scheduled to replace the FEDERAL RESERVE, as a world-wide central bank, operating similarly, with no transparency and no accountability.

    President Obama betrayed us. He knew full-well the issues we faced, stating them plainly and repeatedly, making campaign promises to end the PATRIOT ACT, end the Bush Tax Cuts, make necessary changes to NAFTA….the list is long… Instead he strengthened and extended the PATRIOT ACT, negotiated and pressured congress into approving additional free trade agreements, and take notice that most of the financial gridlock we suffer is based on lack of funds which is the result of the president’s agreeing to extend the Bush tax cuts without consulting with the democratic caucus. He is using the opposition as a scapegoat.

    President Obama cannot be trusted. By appointing Geithner to U.S. Treasury Secretary, the president demonstrated his loyalty to preserveing the wealth and power of the elite who run this country. Greenspan has publicly stated that, “There is no power greater than the FED.” With their inside man, there is no limit to what the FEDERAL RESERVE can do, as the primary tool engineering the formation of that NEW WORLD ORDER. Due to the embarrassing setbacks suffered in the process of forming the E.U. the globalists have established that international governance tends to be effective, only when it is anti-democratic.

    The OWS movement is a reaction to a government that is no longer responsive to the people it represents. Since we cannot get our elected officials to represent and work for the majority of the constituents who have elected them, only the undivided, strength in numbers contained within the masses of middle class Americans demanding their rights, refusing to surrender sovereignty, relentlessly, has any chance of overcoming and resisting those who endeavor to end the United States as we know it.  

  • Anonymous

    importing got us in bad shape

  • Anonymous

    its all because of importing!

  • Nativo13

    Cumulative U.S. Trade Deficit Surpasses $10 Trillion
    – September 15th, 2010