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Poll: Putting veterans to work

Do you think veterans should get special consideration over other unemployed people?

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  • nymarlyn

    No they should not have special treatment..because it rewards killers and it makes it okay to go to war

  • Preston Shimer

    When I looked for work after serving on active duty in the 1960′s, the people who interviewed me and became my bosses, all had military experience, understand and appreciated what I had learned in the military.  Today’s military are being interviewed most of the time by people who do not understand or appreciate this experience or value it.  They don’t have the common bond of experience that I enjoyed.  Therefore we have to institutionalize this support.  And that probably means financial benefits for hiring vets.  I’m all for it.  In fact, I’d be in favor of paying for the cost of this special support by taxing the corporations in the military-industrial complex who have profited from these wars.

  • Jetta

    I think they should because they work/worked hard to protect us, so we could at least cut them some slack and show them that they have a place to come to and they deserve it anyway, after all the things they’ve done for us putting there life on the line everyday to protect us- J.S

  • ergosum

    They have given of themselves. The country owes them.

  • Greg Lukas

    Most are in the service because it is a job or serving will better equip them for employment.

  • Barbiannedavis

    How is this even a question! How are we not auntomatically doing this? These people have willingly put their lives on the line, put their families through hell, all for the sake of the country yet they can’t even find a job- that’s just completely unacceptable in my opinion. Our politicians and retired presidents are living the high life with not a worry in the world while people who have served are living on the streets because they can’t even get healthcare! It’s disgusting!

  • Ramon Cuffie

    Anyone whose life has been voluntarily risked so that I could enjoy the freedom to stand in a job line of my choice, has earned the right to go to the head of that line.

  • Tanmanmk

    We as veterans make so many sacrifices to keep Americans at home safe. We do not have the time and freedom to just jump right back into the swing of things when we come home. We are not always offered the time to get all are personal things together as we get all are military things in order.

  • Ron Harrell

    Soldiers and sailers, all of our military personnel, give a huge part of their lives to the defense of our country — voluntarily.  Their committment is far more than a 40 hour-per-week job and many times their life is on the line.  Their families sacrifice more than many can understand.  They have more than earned special consideration, for life!  This is a debt of respect that they are owed by the rest of us.  There are people who will vote NO – may God have mercy on them, and may they gain some wisdom in the remainder of your life.  God Bless America.  Ron from Oklahoma

  • Anonymous

    I just saw your Veterans employment program. Your question is not a fair one,as it’s unfair to pit none vets against vets. You might have asked if the Vets” should be treated fair and evenly with other job applicants”  It seems that employers fear that PTSD , or being depressed, are conditions that all returning Vets have. Therein is the prejudice…let them compete on ability, not preconcieved notions. The ADA act should apply. By the way… I did not vote  on your poll.

  • Cindycb

    Whether you’d like to be a pacifist, whether you or agree or not with the war(s), the people who served in our armed forces deserve top billing and our utmost support. Putting aside thank-you’s, the ribbons, and the drama is necessary to show true participation as citizens through financial support and volunteering our time; and next time, we need an awareness of the impending sacrifices of citizens who serve and those at home who will support them.

    And this doesn’t preclude Congress from doing their job of putting aside partisan politics and helping Americans all find a job.
    _Cindy Barnard

  • Edie116

    Yes, they should be given every special consideration we’ve got to give to them. They’ve given us their all. They’ve left body parts in Iraq and Afghanistan if not their lives. And they volunteered to go when their country asked them to. We cannot turn our backs on them.  We should do everything we can to help them get back to having productive lives. We owe them big time, and we will all benefit. WWII’s GI Bill built post-war America. Let’s do it again. In WWII we all sacrificed. Nobody has sacrificed anything in these two wars except our military and their families. And people want to turn their backs on them?  Look the other way?  Shame on them.

  • Herman

    I believe that if we all had to serve this country there would be less of an incentive to go to war. The way it is now, the poor and those who have no other options are the ones who serve, they need all the help they can get when they return. They are not the ones to blame, blame the congress and the imperialists.

  • Sjoon27

    The veterans are the people who protect our country. I think it is sad that we think so little of them when they return home. We seem to take safety for granted. We should have learned from 9-11 that we do need someone to protect us. If there were no solders, there would have been no one to defend our country.  

  • Millsy

    When we send them off to war, we put them at a disadvantage in the domestic workplace, in the name of country. Therefore, we should make it up to them when they return, by giving them an edge over regular civilians seeking employment.

  • Becky

    As a Iraq War Veteran myself, I know that it is not the only the poor and people who have no other options that are the ones who serve. Most Soldiers are ordinary people, who choose to serve, for many reasons which are there own. Not the poor who need money, or those with no other options who are desperate. Its men and women you see walking past you in the mall, those are a few selfless Americans who choose to serve.

  • maryellent

    We have asked our military to bear the burden of separation from their families -including their  children, spouses, partners, parents, and others.  We’ve asked them to leave their friends, jobs, homes, and communities.   We’ve asked them to go to war – over and over.  We had better be prepared to give them special consideration when they get home. It’s a must that we take care of our military and their families.  Special consideration for hiring?  Yes.     

  • Linda Utley

    How can I find out more about Brian Fisher. The former Marine, that is now a part-time teacher in New Jersey.

  • Marian Dunn

    After giving up their home and professional lives to protect their country they certainly deserve special treatment upon trying to get their lives back together upon returning home.  Marian Dunn

  • Becky


  • Powellangels

    Do enjoy your freedoms to post your opinion freely without worrying of incarceration or death? Do you enjoy the freedom of dressing how you wish…watching and reading what you choose? Do you appreciate the opportunity to vote and live and be you? Men and women have fought, been permanently injured and DIED for those freedoms! They have sacrificed time with their loved ones and their own comforts so that you can enjoy yours! You haven’t a real understanding of sacrifice if you stand behind your selfish statement! If someone endangered your life on your own street and someone had to take that person’s life to save you, would you call that savior a murderer?

  • Bunkie

    To nymarlyn: if we don’t go to war to defend our country then we will be over-run by our enemies and we and our children will become slaves and tortured. What is it that you don’t understand about evil? Satan is real and evil, and lives in the hearts of many people to abuse others.
    Wake Up.

    Yes, vets should have special job privileges. I’ve been unemployed for 2 years yet I would give up a job prospect for a vet (except the vets who are a threat to us who are drug addicts, gay, pedophilia, mean-spirited, traitors or convicted criminals, etc.  Even then, if they are truly rehabilitated from these problems I would give up my job for them because they protected my country).

  • Bghairforce

    These men and women choose to serve their nation, forgoing opportunities available to their friends have and leaving them scared both physically and mentally. They we not always able to earn a degree because of their service but the experience they bring to an employer is something you don’t learn in college. If these men and women didn’t serve, who would? The government should give some type of incentives for business to hire these veterans. What a national disgrace that we are not taking care of those who have served this nation!

  • Sharron R.

    Yes our veterans deserve every special consideration we can give them.God knows they earned it.Our veterans and thier families have sacificed much for all of us.May God bless them all. Proud Mom of a Veteran.

  • Barbheines

    Absolutely. They deserve a lot more than they get now. There are homeless vets on the streets of this country. Disgraceful!!

  • Mike

    No, vets were paid for their services, received training, food and board and a full ride through the military.  Plus most who were support staff and clerks probably didn’t even see combat.  The GI Bill or some equivalent should suffice the get them on track.  There is already veterans preference for gov’t jobs.  How is any normal person supposed to get a job if we give them all to the vets?  Plus there are many other fine people who have served the country outside the military who could deserve consideration – where do you draw the line?  This country is about equality, not creating a warrior class. 

  • Need

    Well said Powellangles.  It is difficult to understand someone with an attitude like nymarlyn who obviously doesn’t understand how or why she is able to express such drivel.  I can’t think of a line/queue/list than they shouldn’t go to the stop of.

  • Fischnet52

    You make a partially valid point .. however, this program focused on those vets who have given the ultimate of themselves, as have their families, for YOU, and I and my kids.  There is some thing wrong when vets who have placed their lives on the line must come home and not be competitive with you, for instance, because while they were fighting (I don’t support the war, but that’s not the point, because many of the men and women in arms don’t either), you maybe were finishing college so you could be competitive in the job market.  So, ADA should be used in this case where warranted, but there are many for whom that is not the case, they are just in a position where family is not in an economic situation to help them and they do not have the education to compete.  It is a difficult conundrum we have put ourselves in, for the wealthiest nation on earth….   

  • Fischnet52

    We are in a situation where many in our nation just do not understand military service, what it takes, who serves (who doesn’t) and why these men and women who leave service can’t just fall into line with the rank and file of the rest of the unemployed.   And then there is the valid argument that a person with real PTSD issues should not be taking a job in place of joe or jill “normal”. 

    Well, bottom line is that we ALL owe the men&women who have served, as well as their families, much gratitude.  Perhaps, in the current economic climate, vets who have served in war zones should get the ‘special consideration’, because it is they and their families who have sacrificed the most.  But if we as a nation, as the supposed greatest & wealthiest nation on earth, if we can’t take care of the volunteers who sacrifice to give us the lives and freedoms we so cherish, then it says something about just how “great” we are.    Those in our military serve, whether they agree with the mission or not, they go when ordered by their civilian government officials.  If we don’t want to take care of them when they come home … then we,as voters, must ensure that we don’t send them where we don’t want them to serve!

  • Adswiss

    I voted yes.  However how about the 14+ million Obama has ignored?  My son has had no work for 23 mos, and has lost his home.  He is college educated – 5 years.  I have friends on food stamps.
    My husband was drafted in 1951, Korean war years.  He died this year.  I have yet to be reimbursed for his cremation.
    A friend’s husband had something suspicious under his rib cage.  The oncologist said he must have a PET scan.  Medicare denied it.  His wife paid for it.  It was a cancer mass, so waitiing for the results of the biopsy to find out what kind.
    Obama is destroying America as fast as he can; we cannot afford 4 more years of his dictatorship.

  • Fischnet52

    Well Mike, I’d like you to go to work doing what our service men and women do (for you) at the pay they receive.  More I see of this kind of comment, the more I become in favor of re-instituting the draft.  (no, I’m not a vet.) 

  • Ken

    Better yet let’s instate a mandatory military draft for females, gays, and illegal aliens until they shed 200 years of blood on the battlefields for the freedoms and liberties that they so viciously demand from my FOREFATHERS! Be Do Have! Not Have first and be parasites!

  • CJ

    It’s sad that so many people believe that old canard that veterans were “defending our country.”  More correctly, they are defending corporate interests and making the world safe for Multinational corporations.  As Gen. Smedley Butler said, in all his years of service he was “a gangster for capitalism.”  It must make you feel better to think our enemies are all evil people overseas, Bunkie. It’s highly unlikely anyone has the military force to over-run the U.S.  

    Veterans deserve the same privileges as anyone else, but they are no more special, or more entitled to anything, than the rest of us.

  • Wendy

    To say no so boldy, I would find it difficult to believe you have served, or know anyone who has.  I have not, and that is my one regret in life.. but, I still believe with every fiber of my being, that the individuals choosing to protect our freedoms should be taken care of. 
    .. and though I still believe a majority choose to serve because they love their country, I don’t discount that there are those who serve because they have no viable options outside of the military.  The fact in both cases however.. if led to fight, they both go willingly and unconditionally risk their lives to potentially save mine.

  • Clint David Samuel

      I go back and forth on this one. My grandpas were both WWII vets. Military service during the draft was a job that could be easy or hard, and everyone that served together were brothers. Lately it seems US military service is about professional mercs running a protection racket on warlords. IMAO no national draft means no special labor considerations are required. These vets already get some hiring preference, like professional athletes.
      Take Obama’s jobs bill for instance. The only reason the mercs get a tax break just for working now and I don’t is they are dangerous and suicidal and I’m meek as a kitten and trained to be productive and suck it up with my morning humble pie. Its not because these vets are so “deserving from their service,” as the politicians put it. Its because many are trained killers and some of them come back with nothing to lose. Granting Bush-Obama war vets special status is simply an acknowledgement that many of those returning are joining and mobilizing encampments like occupy wall street as well as more militant organizations. Its throwing them a bone.
       Homeland Security issued the memo, “These guys are dangerous.” Some of them are gang members after big guns, but they don’t get sent directly into the prison-industrial complex as forced laborers. Their years of service means they all get a mulligan, a get-out-of-jail free card. Apparently being ‘dangerous’ is what it really takes to catch a break or a few jobs bills from Wall Street banksters and their cronies in Washington. If these vets are really such valuable employees then the ‘great free market’ will decide to hire them all anyway instead of letting them turn into homeless and drug dealers. Something else I learned volunteering at the shelters: Homeless vets are treated differently because they are more dangerous. They get bunked first, while others are turned away.

  • Juneaugtw

    Yes. They have served more tours than military people have ever had to serve. We owe them even if we as individuals don’t support the two wars. Remember all the Support the Troops ribbons on cars? Now is the time to do just that.

  • TV

    If you think no gays, illegals, or women have ever served, fought and died in previous conflicts, you are very much mistaken and out of touch. For many years there was a draft by the way. 

  • jrkirby

    No.  While I feel for them and the hardships they have endured, particularly during our two most recent, unnecessary wars, they should not receive special consideration.  They chose to be soldiers and even though there is certainly a burden on the president and the congress to only fight necessary wars, if the soldiers disagreed with these wars they should not have gone.  Furthermore, we certainly do not need any more incentives for people to become soldiers.  It will only make going to war that much easier and clearly it has been too easy for too long.  Also, had we not waged these two wars our country would have a much smaller debt and be in a better position to do something about the lagging economy and high unemployment.  So, NO, its a voluntary army and we need no further incentives for war. 

  • Mmbeal

    America is shamefully addicted to wars – shamefully pursuing world hegemony – shameful in committing treasure and the blood of our military personnel to these adventures.  Our volunteer military relies on the undereducated and unemployable to populate its ranks.  The time is long past for us to stop the glorification of war and demand of ourselves the rejection of imperial forces spread out in over 800 military bases throughout the world for the furtherance of empire and the perverse support of the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about.  The soldiers we so recklessly commit to this folly have a responsibility to question these unholy missions and have the courage to resist – their oath is to preserve and protect the constitution of the United States against all enemeis, foreign and domestic.  This oath does not require them to blindly follow orders for their country, right or wrong.  We should cringe at what we have asked them to do and they should not volunteer to continue the madness of our foreign policy.  Their suffering is no where near proportional to the suffering this country has meted out to a world we are trying to subjugate.  I’m sympathetic to the soldiers’ plight – there is a much larger issue here, and there should be a recognition that the consequences of unjust war must be harsh on those who foment it, those that support it, and those who voluntarily prosecute it.  Mr. Junger is wrong in claiming that no mea culpa is required from anyone – that soldiers and civilians don’t need to acknowledge thier misdeeds.  This notion has lead us down a very dangerous path.  It is not the least bit patriotic to wrap oneself in the flag and turn a blind eye.

  • jrkirby

    Are you referring to Al-Qaeda’s fighter jets or Bin Laden’s nuclear weapons?  Oh, those don’t exist!  And if its acts of terrorism like 9-11 you’re referring to surely we could better defend ourselves against such threats if we weren’t devoting so many of our resources to Iraq and Afghanistan.  Furthermore, you have to weigh the good we’re doing against Al-Qaeda by being in Afghanistan/Pakistan against (1) how many people are choosing to become jihadists precisely because of our presence there and (2) the vast amount of money we are spending.  Finally, I have a 12 gauge, a 20 gauge, a 30-30, and a .22 and I can promise you that if anyone actually starts a war here, in the USA, I will not hesitate to use those weapons against them.  But until that day, let’s tone down the rhetoric about defending our country.

  • demand_sider

    Good God. Medicare wouldn’t even exist if Republicans had there way.

  • demand_sider

    Do you think our last few wars would have happened if we had a draft?

  • DouginCleve

    1)  To successfully reenter (and for most it’s actually enter vs. reenter),civilian life, they need a reverse boot camp to learn (re-learn) work, personal finance & social skills, with attention to unlearning “learned helplessnesses” they’ve picked up from institutional (military) life.  
    2)  That, plus a SLIGHT boost – not, not, not a “free ride” by any means – is what they get with “points” on civil service tests for Federal employment, or, with Reservists & ESGR (Employer Support of Guard and Reserve), preference to re-assume their prior employment.
    Compare their situation with that of a prisoner being paroled.  Just being dumped out on the economy & society with a suit and pocket money, their chances of going wrong are quite high.  Being out-placed in(to) a halfway-house situation with guidance from social-workers, employers and their fellows gives them MUCH greater odds of success.
    As for the military’s ability to provide any of this, the “reverse boot camp” idea is potentially workable in view of the military’s method of education.  For rapid, matrixed acquisition of trade school-level skills, there’s no equal in the academic world.  And, made a Defense academy vs. each service(‘s) own school, would be relatively economical… and major corporate Defense contractors would ~probably~ benefit from providing expertise, manpower and getting some number of new employees.
    (So), with just a little creativity, and “possibility thinking,” this problem becomes an enormous opportunity for social and economic good. 

  • Ken

    As usual; you as a liberal skirt my point! Women, Illegals, and Gays don’t want to give up affirmative action, and want to be Commander and Chief, and Illegals, want more and more entitlements that not even US citizens get. Let’s see how they wine when we give them a mandatory draft that only men of 18-25 have enjoyed! The reason why the draft isn’t reinstituted is because of my very point!
    The Selective Service System remains in place as a contingency plan; MEN only between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be readily resumed if needed (does this say anything about women, gays, or illegals)?
    My point is that if women, gays and illegals were required to register you would see their true colors of hypocrisy, and cowards mob thinkers!
    You’re argument is anemic; women, gays, and illegals have bleed merely a drop of blood compared to the ocean of blood, and limbs that have been sacrificed by men serving this country since it began!
    As usual you liberals superimpose lies to cover the reality!

  • Anonymous

    no. the current service persons signed up, they were not drafted. i believe that those who are injured and maimed should be taken care of, but those who signed up and have been discharged should be treated like the rest of us. especially when it comes to service people who didn’t complete their tour of duty (like the woman on the program tonight).

    there are plenty of other “deserving” americans out of work who have no military service but equally sad stories…some of whom, for health reasons, could not have served even if they wanted to…

  • Ken

    If I had the power I would do away with all Public Service Unions, especially the Teachers Union, and put them all on a performance based pay system; then I would make a mandatory military draft for all gays, women, illegals, welfare recipients, and affirmative action members. Then and only then after all this was implemented would I give Military Veterans preferential treatment concerning jobs! The government is now nothing but a glorified welfare system and gravy train for socialists that haven’t the creativeness to be anything but parasites; more entitlements is nothing but more cancer until all government is put on performance pay to govern their entitlement to suck the life out of us all!  

  • NorCAengineer

    Giving disabled veterans preference and assistance is an idea I support, even though I am unable to help pay for it (because my income is so low, there are no income taxes due). But giving non-disabled veterans preference in hiring is not fair to the rest of us, nor to the institutions that may hire less-than-the-best for their openings.

    It is unfortunate that returning veterans have trouble finding employment. Only slightly less troubling is that I, a 50-something UC Berkeley Electrical Engineer with recent IT consulting experience, have been unable to find a full-time job in over a year of searching.  Of the *many* jobs I am qualified for, and have applied for, on (recruitment for government jobs), *none* have chosen to interview me (though my application has been “referred to recruitment official” many times). Many of those jobs have gone to veterans, who are given preference points in the evaluation score (as reported by colleagues in the hiring agencies – branches of federal government). Also reported by persons in the hiring agencies, is that veterans who are not-quite-qualified are sometimes hired at a slightly lower grade position, and given time and training to meet (eventually) the requirements of the position as originally advertised.  Many veterans had a job, with pay and benefits, during a time when I was drawing down my savings because I could not find one.

    In these economic times, many are unable to find jobs. 

    I respect those who have served in the US military, whether they joined as a matter of moral conviction, or simply to have a decent job for a few years. I hope this country returns to a time where everyone who wants to work can find work, and to a time when public assistance (particularly at the state level) is more available. Until then, it is important to remember that times are tough out there for many, many job seekers, and that younger people (as are most recently returned from military service in the Middle East) can work at a wider range of positions (including manual labor) than can older people. Younger people have more mobility to move where the work is, as compared to those of us who own a home we cannot easily sell, and are paying loans against.

  • jacque

    They sacrificed a part of their life  while others went on to school etc. They learned leadership skills and hard lessons which in many ways puts them far ahead of us at home. But the VA needs to do more to help them to learn how to share their skills with others so that strong teams can be built. They are used to working that way. Some of you bright engineers, science guys get together with these vets and take on the world. Hurrah!

  • Been There

    I work in an organization that provides special consideration and privileges to returning Iraq and Afghanistan war vets. While I laud their sacrifices, these soldiers chose to enlist and go to war. I think special treatment upon their return is a way for many Americans to assuage the guilt of not feeling the consequences of these wars on our every day lives – unless you have a loved one who is in active duty. My opposition to special consideration is based on personal experience. My organization overlooks significantly better qualified job candidates and places less experienced vets in positions they are unsuited to fill. The organization then overlooks the poor performance and poor behavioral issues of these vets who if they were not vets, would have been immediately terminated from the organization. This is a failure of our organization’s leadership – who is also an Iraq war vet. Compounding this issue is that some vets – not all – have a sense of entitlement. One vet with whom I work is very well paid a poor performer promoted far above his capabilities – and he brags about it daily. To question any of this is to be labeled unpatriotic and unAmerican.

    Giving special consideration to a job candidate who is equal may be one thing. Giving special consideration to an unqualified job candidate is another. I don’t think may organizations know the difference and the toll it takes on morale.

  • Shane

    i agree 100% soldiers sacificed their life for our sercurity if they meet all of qualification they desearve special considrations

  • pamela

    While I respect those who served, it was a choice they made.   We are in a time of volunteer military.  The military is simply of vocational choice.  I do not think vets should get special consideration over other unemployed individuals.  Veterans already get special benefits in the VA bill, education, and mortgages. 

  • Anonymous

    Ken, your vociferous reaction kinda makes his point.

  • Anonymous

    I understand your anger, but it’s misdirected. The Republican Party would eliminate EVERYTHING. I’m no fan of Obama’s, but his opposition is sociopathic.

  • Anonymous

    Thank you for the reply. Your statement is very much on spot, as it is a difficult conundrum. For the record, I’m a early Vietnam -Nam era vet, and was not faced with difficulty in finding work after I got out of the Navy. I do recall getting laid off from a small surveying / road engineering firm as I was the last hired, and someone that was drafted into the Army did their term…and by law than they had to give him his job back. In 61-62 jobs were hard to find and ultimately I opted to go into the Navy. It was a good decision because of the training and later on I went and got a 2 yr. degree (Busn.) under the GI-Bill. Part of the time I was in school, I was searching for work for almost 9 months. Life is sometimes tough!

  • Jazj2006

    I would agree with your comments; I am a former U.S. Marine with a Master’s degree in business, but I do not want to be given special treatment JUST because I was in the U.S. Military. The United States Government should always be prepared for issues impacting its economy like unemployment, job losses, and low job growth. I just hope things get better soon for the entire nation. 

  • Ken

    First of all I don’t react/ I respond because unlike you I am not programmed to react like Pavlov’s dogs like the parroting liberals who’s main purpose in life is to keep everyone they can a victim so they can assume pseudo superiority without actually ever earning anything through real experience.
    My vociferous response/ not reaction is to point out that until local state and federal government is remodeled to take full responsibility for their manipulations this question and whole subject is redundant.

  • Sarah

    Wow, your labeling of “gays”,women, and illegals, as parasites makes me wonder what kind of person you are. I am a woman and also a nurse. I am active in my church and save lives in the ICU. I do not consider my self a parasite, if I were drafted it would be my honor to serve my country. I pay my taxes and serve my community. I am not a parasite and neither are the veterans who risked their lives and were separated from their families for a year at a time. Our veterans risk their life so you can have free speech to post on this website. So the only cancer I see here is your attitude! 

  • Ken

    Until you all get off of affirmative action, and the rest of the entitlement programs that give you unfair advantages over individual men, and truly start standing on your own two feet; rather than being prostitutes for pimp lawyers, and liberal judges who are constantly are changing a level playing field to compensate you for your lack of real individual responsibility as groups you are all parasites!People like you are the cancer that fills the courts with unfair divorces and the halls of foster homes with children so that they can be molested by the liberals that run them!Read Ayn Rand, “For A New Intellectual” and get learn how government and religion work together to promulgate the sewer of society that seems to keep getting worse because of no real accountability by liberals, and second handers like you!You might also look at which advises anyone considering military service not to join in the first place!

  • Kay Orsini

    Yes for wounded veterans who served overseas.

  • Saskwatch

    “SPECIAL” CONSIDERATION SHOULD NOT MEAN THE EXCLUSION OF ONE IN FAVOR OF THE OTHER.  We should not be pitting our soldiers against our civilians in the job market or in any other market of social and economic interaction.  COMBAT SOLDIERS SHOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AND PAID READJUSTMENT PERIOD BEFORE RETURNING TO CIVILIAN LIFE.  It took time and money to train our soldiers for combat; war is a special circumstance; readjustment to civilian life from combat is not a new phenomenon; neither are readjustment complexities a new phenomenon.  SEBASTIAN JUNGER’S PROPOSAL FOR A MONUMENT IN D.C. [AND PERHAPS ALSO SOME LOCAL MONUMENTS] WHERE SOLDIERS MAY MOURN THE INEVITABLE COLLATERAL DAMAGE OF LIVES RESULTING FROM WAR IS A BRILLIANT IDEA. – Saskwatch,  11/12/2011.

  • Armflog3

    Thanks to the staff at Need To Know and Christian jungeer for this poignant and powerfully important vignette. I am a Viet nam era vet and my memoir, the third edition of The Rogue Aviator contains a paragraphthat is the final statement regarding my military experience. It is as follows:


    An excerpt from page 56 of THE ROGUE AVIATOR

    “The quality of people that Ace worked with, measured in terms of
    accountability, responsibility, ethics, and integrity, was at an infinitely
    higher level than that of the civilian world norm. It is very clear to military personnel that they are an integral part
    of the whole, and this perspective will usually result in people who will
    dedicate themselves to the highest level possible job-performance. The flight
    lead of the Thunderbirds or the Blue Angels, for instance, does not have the
    option of going half speed or being lackadaisical during his group’s aerial
    demonstration. He must be totally prepared and committed. When hiring, most
    employers will wisely give the ex-military person the nod over those who have
    not served in the military.  The
    unfortunate other side of the coin is that government bungling and Pentagon
    malfeasance have resulted, particularly in the last 50 years, in far too many
    dedicated military people dying unnecessarily”.

  • Catohornet

    I am a veteran but voted no. Why? I believe that in the richest country in the world it is ridiculous to have to ask this question. I think we’re asking the wrong question. Maybe we should ask our selves why we have to diferentiate from the many homeland warriors and those in the military. Many of our teachers sit on the front line everyday. Yet their theatre of operation, our schools, are being devastated by greed every budget (crisis) that oocurs. No matter what town, city, or state. 

    We all deserve priority over Greed!

  • Barbara Flatlander

    Look at the context.  9/11 and a war in Iraq – Patriot recruitment for a volunteer army to protect us from WMD that was not there, that there is strong indication that German intelligence and our own intelligence knew that WMD were not there.  A bait and switch war for our children and husbands to fight.  They signed up for Afghanistan to locate and destroy terrorists that attacked us.  Then we were off to Iraq and an entirely different scenario.  Then we are back in Afghanistan where the U. S. contends they needed to be, claimed they did not know that the Pakistani Government was harboring Bin Laudin, etc.  Who do you think assisted the Pakistani’s in building their nuclear program?  When do you think this happened?  READ!  Have you ever heard of Senator Glenn, Ronald Reagan, F-16 sales to Pakistan and the Pressler Amendment?  Have you ever heard of nuclear proliferators and how they connect to the United States.  Read Adrian Levy’s book.  It does not delineate the nuclear network in the U.S. but it does put it in context.  We are in Afghanistan with India and we claim to be there to stop terrorists.  In 2008 we started building a road to Iran (via India military). We owe our military that volunteered not only jobs, but an apology.

  • Ken

    I applaud your self-sacrifice for school teachers; but if you watched Fareed Zakaria’s (liberal) program on education last night on CNN, or if you follow John Stossel (conservative) on FOX you would understand that we spend almost twice as much per student as Countries that are first and second in the world as far as education!
    The reasons why our schools are morally and mentally bankrupt are not because we don’t throw enough money at them as demonstrated in Louisiana’s comeback. The reason schools are failing is because the Unions won’t allow competition between public schools (most the money that we throw at them goes to over inflated pensions and tenured teachers that don’t teach)!
    Here in San Diego the unions use the schools to fly the Mexican flag, and demand socialism to forward their cause towards Reconquista of the Southwest United States by focusing on teaching lies through liberal arts studies and refusing to focus on reading, writing, math and science!
    Tell me why second generation Mexicans are not assessed a special assessment tax to teach their children English when they refuse to teach English to their children by the time they enter public school?
    This government is morally broke from top to bottom. Watch which recommends not joining the military in the first place! Tell me why the Sikhs of Yuba City California are called the New Puritans?
    Tell me why the Sikhs of Yuba City California are called the New Puritans?

  • Denisehoppess

    Yes.  They put their lives on the line while the rest of us went to college, started careers and families.  Why be threatened by giving a small number of veterans a break?  I had time at home to set myself up in the job market while they were fighting for my freedom.  They have to bear the scars of war for the rest of their lives.  The least I can do is to let them go to the head of the job line.

  • Denise Hoppess

    Good thing you live in a country that allows you to express any idea that pops into your head.  Guess who died for your right to do just that?

  • UncleBucky

    Right now there isn’t balance. That is, even though there are many, many non-vet unemployed that need jobs, the vets seem to be discriminated against on any number of factors. So, Iet there be a way that vets get dignified work with good compensation. My Dad received the same after he was wounded in WW2, by getting GI Bill job training, and through that and union membership, he built our family, he made it possible for all of us to have success in our lives (sure, there were times when his war wounds have made things hard, but…).

    So let the vets be treated better than they have in the last 35 years. I wouldn’t like it, but if it came between me and a vet, I would still defer to the vet with equal credentials.

    And when the current imbalance is rebalanced, then we can go back to equal-equal.

  • UncleBucky

    Breathe, man. This is not a zero sum game.

  • Libraladyva

    I agree! I also needed to have surgery and OBAMACARE has cut the funding for alot of medical care, medications and treatments.We can’t afford another OBAMA term or to get another person like him or worse as the next president!

  • Libraladyva

    They’re are alot of Brian Fishers out there! This is just one that news media came up with at the time! Every community has many “Brian Fishers” which you will never hear about. Every community needs to implement programs through their churches, charitable organizations or social services. There is NO REASON why ALL of the above doesn’t help them to find suitable housing through HUD or local housing authorities which have certificates for emergency housing and with ALL the empty apartments and houses out there due to foreclosures, it is hard to believe that the government doesn’t take over these foreclosed homes for our Veterans, so they will have a place to live!

  • Ken

    UncleBucky, it is a zero sum gain! Life is a professional sport; liberals like you who want to win the tournament playing with a handicap need to be seen for what you are: leaches!It is people like you who make light of the seriousness of the emasculation of real men over the last 50 years, and what it has done to undermine civility by using covert hostility from liberal government unions making a joke out of all of us! You are the guy who always wants to break up the fight so that you can look like the hero when all you are trying to get is an easy piece of ass through condescending the guy holding onto his dignity while you patronize the prostitutes of pimp lawyers, and pimp judges whom make a living out of redistributing estates for solely personal gain! Shut up! Guys like you are the reason duels need to be re-leagalized!  

  • Joseph Dowdy

    I’m a veteran and I don’t think that veterans should get special consideration because they already do when they go to work for the federal government because their prior military service counts toward pay increases and retirement which is an awesome benefit no one else gets. However, it would be a good idea for civilian companies that hire veterans to get some kind of tax breaks or other incentives because war veterans do have special needs; I had some PTSD and it did affect my work and I had to work through that after my war experience. What I DO THINK we should do is implement the original GI Bill for ALL veterans that allows them to go to college for free and get a home loan guarantee. The “Greatest Generation” was so productive because of these benefits and it’s a moral shame that other veterans don’t have the opportunity to make the most of themselves with the same benefits.

  • Joe

    Soon the poor will have to go kill people to get a job. The rich kids will not have to go fight and kill in fake wars to get a job.
    Some people do not want to send kids to fight and kill people around the world. This president should just become a republicon

  • Joe

    We have million of people that do not want to kill people around the world just to get a job.

    The real heros stand up and will not kill people for fake wars for a so called new world order.

  • Joe

    I need surgery, I can not get it because I have no insurance, so I will suffer until I die

  • Joe

    They are not protecting freedom they are killing people for a new world order.

  • Joe

    They are killing people for other to get rich. This should not be rewarded

  • Joe

    A disabled vet gets over 3200 a month tax free for life. I work in gov 80% of my co workers get Between 2000 – 3200 tax free plus get a full salry of 72 k . they are collecting for PTSDWhen they take this poll they act as if they were not getting any help

  • randy alexander

    yes in my opinen i think that the dissabled vets. should get som kind of help the rest should all that training that they recived and do the thing that i was told to do when they sent me home from vetnam was son it is time that you just pull your self by your boot straps and get ant no boddy going to do it for you. and that is what i did thy can to life is a comption and let the best man win. sounds hard but if wou wipe there buts for them then keep the papper handy caus you will be doing it for ever and ever. now on the other hand if a man went over sees and comes back with a dissabelty then take care of them and i dont mind to help allso    

  • nancy l

    I don’t think vets should get preferential treatment but definitely special assistance to find jobs.  I say this because there are so many walking wounded in our country. Young people have grown up in foster care through no fault of their own who age out of the system and left to fend for themselves– they need help.  There are single parents who do not want to go on the system. There are young people who have gone to jail for minor crimes and who need work to get them on the right path.  So many people who need to work.
    Veterans do need assistance to prepare for a job: skills training, resume writing, clothes to find a job, housing.

  • Mari08nyc

    I have sympathy for veterans who return home and cannot find work but I am also unemployed with college degrees and I can’t find a job for two years now either.  If the government has ways to help people or veterans re-enter the job market, then it should be extended to all unemployed people, not just veterans. That said, I believe the government should implement a job transition for veterans so that they can go from being a soldier at war abroad to returning to civilian life in the U.S.  I don’t have all the answers but I find it a shame that, after these brave soldiers fought for our country, we expect them to return home and resume normal lives as civilians without having some transitional plan implemented for them.  Maybe the transition can include working for the government as civilians, allowing them to keep their benefits and pay.   

  • Greg246

    I agree to an extent with your comments about not “enabling” the able bodied vets, but on the otherhand, they’ve gotten thousands of dollars worth of government training, at taxpayers’ expense, so why not USE that, instead of requiring additional “college credits”, which seems like it’s so often asked for? Vets should get “credits” for time served, just as if they were in college. They went and laid their lives on the line for the rest of us, and didn’t stay home and party in college. So, while collge benefits are available to them, I also feel they should get credits for time served in the military. If not a full bachelors degree, then at least associates degree.

  • Eovernon

    These men and women sacrificed everything for us and the country.
    Home should be a place of healing and a brighter future not homelessness an hardships. We have the capacity to to what is right for our veterans, retraining and providing jobs are the basics compared to what they afforded us.

  • Stephen M. Carr

    From: Carr, Stephen M []
    Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:45 PM
    To: ‘LARRY HOLMAN’; ‘Jerome Rudman’; ‘Dave McTavish’; ‘David Kamioner’;
    ‘Christopher L. Nelson’;; ‘Morris, John’
    Subject: RE: US Labor Department announces appointment of 15 members to
    Advisory Committee on Veterans Employment, Training and Employer Outreach


    Fellow Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) members,


    1.       More
    window dressing and dog and pony shows to make it look like the administration
    is actually doing something about veterans’ unemployment.

    2.       We
    don’t need employer outreach.  What we need is an administration which
    will swing the hammer under Section 503 of the Vietnam Era Veterans’
    Readjustment Assistance Act of 1972 (Public Law 92–540; 86 Stat. 1097) (VEVRAA)
    / 38 USC 4212
    and start severely punishing Federal Contractors and Federal Subcontractors who
    violate and do not honor their end of the contracts they signed with Uncle Sam!

    3.       This
    is a little known and much hated law which is not enforced, by design.

    Unions absolutely hate it because its provisions trump labor
    agreements and their carefully crafted seniority system implemented by
    same.  A veteran 2 years on the job ends up with more protection against a
    layoff than a nonveteran who has been paying union dues for 30 years.

    Federal Contractors and Federal Subcontractors hate it because
    it cuts into their profit margin and would force them to not only hire, but
    retain, and promote veterans.

    Women and minorities hate it because it competes with and
    threatens their Executive Order 11246 (race, color, religion, sex, national
    origin) affirmative action agenda, which unlike VEVRAA, is NOT
    backed up by public law!

    The U. S. Department of Labor (DOL)  Office of Federal
    Contract Compliance Programs (OFCCP) hates it because it threatens their
    traditional and precious EO 11246 agenda and original charter for
    existence.  See 3c above.

    Our President, U. S. Congressmen, and U. S. Senators hate it for
    the same reasons that unions, Federal Contractors, Federal Subcontractors,
    women, and minorities hate it.  After all, politicians depend on
    contributions from all of the aforementioned groups in order to get
    reelected.  They also hate it because it increases the cost of contracts
    the U. S. Government awards, adding to our  trillions of dollars of debt,
    having already mortgaged the future of this nation to Red China.

    Our Veterans Service Organizations (VSOs) don’t care or are paid
    not to care (by groups 3a, 3b, and 3c).  If they did care, then you would
    see tutorials about veterans’ employment rights under VEVRAA / 38 USC 4212 in
    at least every other issue of their periodic publications.  Think about
    it.  When did you last see a tutorial on VEVRAA / 38 USC 4212 in any of
    the magazines you get from VSOs?  How many veterans even know what VEVRAA

    4.       Nobody
    ever held a gun to the head of any CEOs of these Federal Contractors and
    Federal Subcontractors and forced them to sign a contract to sell goods and
    services to Uncle Sam.  They did so with their eyes wide open, knowing
    full well all the provisions in the fine print of their contracts regarding
    VEVRAA / 38 USC 4212, yet they gladly signed them all the while smiling and
    salivating over the profits to be reaped.  When will corporate America
    step up to the plate and bear the full weight of their patriotic responsibility
    under VEVRAA / 38 USC 4212 to hire, retain, and promote veterans?

    5.       In
    the meantime, 1,000,000 veterans are unemployed, 6,000 veterans commit suicide
    every year, 130,000 to 200,000 veterans are homeless on any given night (47
    percent of which are Vietnam Veterans), and this in turn feeds our veteran
    incarceration rate, veteran family violence rate, and veteran substance abuse
    rate.  We veterans must sacrifice ourselves yet again, so that everybody
    else can keep feeding at the trough, even though we previously put our lives on
    the line for our fellow citizens.  We thought we had already paid our
    dues, but apparently not.

    6.       Everybody
    in paragraph 3a through 3e waves the flag, thanks veterans for their service,
    but when it comes to actually putting skin in the game by sacrificing profits
    or making a personal sacrifice to ensure veterans are hired and hold on to a
    job, suddenly the patriotic parade thins out and becomes very quiet.

    7.       I
    rest my case.  If you are interested in learning more, please read the
    attached, which was later redacted (censored) by DOL OFCCP!documentDetail;D=OFCCP-2011-0002-0102


    Very Respectfully,

    Stephen M. Carr

    CDR, SC, USN (Ret.)Director, Vietnam Veterans of America, Pennsylvania State Council, District 4

    570 Brighton Way

    Phoenixville, Pennsylvania 19460-5718



    They sacrifice everything for our freedom and safety. They need to have priority for health care, counseling, jobs and a place to live. We should never have homeless vets.

  • Tidewater Evening

    First of all, thank you veterans for carrying out America’s foreign policy- as wayward as it is. Why the USA doesn’t take oil remuneration from Iraq is still beyond me.  Our brave men and women volunteered to free that country from a mass murdering tyrant and, as much as one eschews the name of nation-building, the US was there to capture Saddam, police the streets, restore a semblance of order, save countless lives (at the risk of losing their own) and established voting precedence for the orderly transition of a new government. And we, as a nation, say: “Don’t worry ’bout the carnage and lives lost, Iraq, we were happy to help and…No charge!” WHAT B.S.!! Setting up a plan between the US Government and the Iraqi’s to pay us back the billions our taxpayers paid will do substantial good for setting up all sorts of educational grants, apprenticeship programs and other work incentives to put the veterans back on the path to a gainful livelihood! Why hasn’t this common sense approach been discussed, fostered and put into action??!!  Of course, giving our government any funds garners a high probability of waste, fraud and abuse if a government agency is charged with the disbursement of those funds! 
    To answer the question posed: No, veterans should NOT be given any more preferential treatment in securing jobs then they already have! This is with the possible exception of wounded vets. I work with many veterans and, no, I have never served in the armed forces.  Still, I see the very real phenomenon that is ubiquitous and long-standing that the Office of Personnel Management and the civil service is FILLLED with veterans who don’t know their jobs and don’t care if they ever learn those positions. I work in the very technical field of computers and information management and many veterans have OPM and federal agency billets composed for him of her upon exiting their respective service though these “candidates” often lack the rudimentary skills to fill an entry level position in many of these important fields! Yet, along with his or her retirement pay, GI bill flexibility, continued health benefits and job preferences, many never have to compete for government jobs and it tells in their lack of skills once they are “gifted” this OPM job.

    If a veteran is TRULY qualified to fill a position- which they should be if further education is pursued, then so be it.  From what I’ve witnessed over many years- this is hardly ever the case.  No matter what OPM says, it’s still “Who you know” for getting a job in the federal government. In these dire economic times, no more hand-outs should be afforded the untrained, un-qualified and veteran “insiders” for gaining employment without an unbiased test of skills PRIOR to giving a person a job simply because they wore the uniform.

  • Lirr2008

    Agreed. While we ‘d all like to help returning vets the road to hell is paved with good intentions and wasteful entitlements are not the answer especially in a time of fiscal tightening. I’ve had some great returning vets but also many in my classroom who wasted the opportunities given to them (paid for education) that other students had to pay for out of their own pocket. Consequently having skin in the game the self-funded kids learned. At the end of the day the person with willing to put the effort in gets the job and messing around with that is a dangerous precedent. There are already many programs in place to help vets although perhaps not well enough advised to returning soldiers. 

    At the end of the days the armed forces while hats off is still a job choice (no matter how unique) and its better than being unemployed.

  • Cnocnagcappall

    Absolutely let’s start a line for all those most deserving…. veterans first..then cops cause we can’t omit the cops…because they are heroes too (although now they do get overtime)…and fire fighters too… because they are heroes too (they defend this country and help prevent forest fires…and next teachers cause they educate our future…and nurses cause they save lives….

    Getting the picture yet? At the back of the line we can just drop those people who are only regular have done simple jobs that pay taxes, aren’t govt types and entrepreuners who just take all the risks to create something new and make jobs to employ other people…

    Wake up here folks..a job is a job and no one entitled it unless you compete for it or create it…

  • Bahali

    The military already has such programs in place. They help veterans write resumes and point them in the right direction. Plus, veterans get an essentially free education after leaving the service, or they can do ROTC before they go in and get the education up front. Doctors and other health care workers do not even have to attend medical school; they are ready for hire as soon as they leave, and with the shortage of health care employees, they will almost certainly be hired, or they can set up their own private practice. Most other trained personnel in the military such as mechanics can easily transition into civilian jobs. It is only those veterans with extremely simple service industry skills that have trouble finding jobs, and most of these veterans were not out taking bullets for their country but were sitting behind a desk or working in the CONUS.

    Yes, it is dangerous to be in a war zone, but the military does offer people on the job training. People cannot expect to be hired by an employer if they have few skills. That is why they get the free education, even though many ex-soldiers have plenty of skills that employers want. The problem is not the hiring process; it is unwillingness of people (veterans and non-veterans) to get the skills needed that is generally the problem, which is why I do not believe veterans should be given any more special treatment than they were getting.

  • Rcodowd53

    It is blatant discrimination to hire a veteran over a civilian. 

  • Jazj2006

    We should not have homeless people period. As a society, it seems at times we forget the other members of society that include civilians. I am a former U.S. Marine who served during the “War on Terror” and I do not expect America to just give me something because I served. I did it voluntarily, out of my freewill. From my experience, there are and will be veterans who will use their service to abuse the system, and believe the world owes them more than their share. Veterans are not more special than the working mother trying to care for her family, or the fire fighter who serves our local communities every day, putting his/her life on the line for us. We are all in this together. Care for your neighbor no matter who he/she is.

  • Jazj2006

    I agree. And, I am a former U.S. Marine. We are all in this together and we need to help each other.

  • Frankwhorvath

    We killed more than the “mass murdering tyrant” ever did

  • Gibbrad

    we need to remember that we have a volunteer armed force . we need all the service members we can get that are qualified . we then need ot make sure that upon separation they have a good chance of full time employment . they need to be given a chance of repatriation to our communities . if we do not we will have to go back to conscription . do we really want this? be practical . of course we need to do this,first , because we respect our military and appreicate their service . regardless of how we feel about the conflict it is not the servicemans responsibility bu tti fight as he/she is ordered . We must help our veterans any way we can  . personally i wish i could do more

  • Kevinh5

    We need a mandatory draft for women, gays, and illegal
    immigrants to pick up the slack from the young men who have been pulling all
    the weight for the liberal emasculation of our country for the last 50 years!
    We need to expect that people make their own individual choices and let them
    live with them! The privilege to serve was all I received and that is all
    anyone should expect!

  • Shelley Thomas

    Hey! I’m a producer for the Huffington Post and we’re doing a LIVE discussion tomorrow about hiring Veterans. Please let me know if anyone would like to join!

  • allen morris



    An excerpt from page 56 of THE ROGUE AVIATOR

    “The quality of people that Ace worked with, measured in terms of
    accountability, responsibility, ethics, and integrity, was at an infinitely
    higher level than that of the civilian world norm. It is very clear to military personnel that they are an integral part
    of the whole, and this perspective will usually result in people who will
    dedicate themselves to the highest level possible job-performance. The flight
    lead of the Thunderbirds or the Blue Angels, for instance, does not have the
    option of going half speed or being lackadaisical during his group’s aerial
    demonstration. He must be totally prepared and committed. When hiring, most
    employers will wisely give the ex-military person the nod over those who have
    not served in the military.  The
    unfortunate other side of the coin is that government bungling and Pentagon
    malfeasance have resulted, particularly in the last 50 years, in far too many
    dedicated military people dying unnecessarily.


  • proud2bAmerican

    After WWII, most if not all wars we engaged in were to protect our allies or some special interests that control puppet politicians in DC. We should have them pay for these wars and their side-effects.

  • Darrell Knox

    Dude, you seriously need to put down the chronic before you post on any forum on the Internet or at least get a decent spell checker so your post is at least intelligible. I think I agree with what you are saying but I can’t be sure because I can’t understand the majority of your post.

  • Darrell Knox

    What fairy tale world are you living in? For one the only veterans that receive near the $3200 you quote in your post are 100% service connected disabled veterans who fought tooth and nail for every penny they get from the Department of Veteran’s Affairs. I don’t know what cave you live in, but the backlog in claims, and the reasons the VA gives for denying claims of veterans injured in combat operations is criminal. The regional office tasked with appeals is so back logged that the paper claims (at least the ones that don’t get lost in the round file, which is 90+%) these claims have gotten so backed up that the building they are housed in has had the floors begin to buckle under the weight, Supposedly the process was supposed to be streamlined, HA!, and computerized, but the Pentagon and VA use different software. Instead of fixing the communication problem they reverted back to having claims done by hand on paper.

  • Darrell Knox

    Also the fact that you can type, at least to me, seems to be amazing because you sound like a complete idiot. This is not a Republican or Democratic issue. It is a human issue. I personally fought the VA more than 10 years to get my service connected disability claim approved by the VA. The only reason that happened is because I had the help of other Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Coasties, Marines, and the civilians who all volunteer as VSOs (Veteran Service Officers) at the DAV (Disabled American Veterans). They provided me help in navigating the nearly impossible system to get disability for wartime disabilities. But a commie pinko twat like you wouldn’t understand what it is to serve and help your fellow man. As said before you CANNOT get benefits without a knock down drag out fight with the Department of Veterans Affairs. If you are able to work you can not receive 100% disability and the 90% rating pays out $1698 a month and 100% is $2816 as a single person Also you CANNOT receive Social Security Disability unless they consider you completely unemployable. All this makes me wonder about your fantasy about how us veterans are putting one over on the American people we took an oath to protect. I personally have a wife and 2 children get $3166 a month to support my family. This is hardly a princely sum that you make it out to be. QUIT LYING ABOUT VETERANS AND GOVERNMENT WORKERS JERK!! I hope you spout some of your BS around some of my buddies down at the VA or the VFW DAV or American Legion Halls. It will be funny hearing how a civilian got his butt handed to him by some one legged one armed blind vets,

  • Anonymous

    My father served in the Navy in WWII. Four years ago he died but he had a group of friends that were in WWII. His CO was still alive and a friend. Those guys never understood all the current fawning over vets. They said, they signed up, they served their country, period. They came home and started working. They spoke about one guy that was a firefighter and dies in the line of work. That was long before I was around. The firefighter died going into a house to search for a 10 year old girl that was still in the home. It didn’t turn out well for him or the girl.

    They always wondered why a vet should receive any more or less accolades than any other citizen that can loose their life trying to save another citizen. They included ambulance drivers, police, nurses, etc. in the definition of saving people.

    They were a little miffed that they who were sent out to kill people received greater benefits than citizens that spend their lives saving people.

    But then they were all part of the Greatest Generation. I believe they had the true belief in service. When they went to war it was a service to defend, it wasn’t a job that they expected a free education or to be given a job over one of the people that for whatever reason couldn’t sign up and stayed home.

    All those years and now they are all gone, lying in the ground. They formed my belief that we are one nation and not one group should be above another group. That job should g to the best applicant and not because someone is a vet. The old vets were not for affirmative action. I would think they would say that today’s give a vet the job attitude is the same as affirmative action.

    My O-6 buddy wonders why he should get a discount for breakfast at a restaurant but his struggling son with three kids gets nothing. His O-6 is a very good pay grade and he turns down any discounts.

    IMHO this is just one more way of separating us into different groups of citizens.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. To do anything else is to make an unequal society. It should not be done for race and it shouldn’t be done because of someones service. Three minutes ago I posted on this site what my WWII father and his friends thought about it. They (WWII vets) went to war to save the freedom in this country, to give us all rights and to give a vet a right above another is taking the others right.

    Such a discrimination is not American and it isn’t what we go to war to protect.

  • Anonymous

    We have not had a declared war since WWII. Korean war, Vietnam war, Iraq war they were therefore undeclared wars and more like police actions. We’ve had police actions all over the world and I ask this, has it solved anything? We still have N. Korea, we still have a communist type situation in North Vietnam, Iraq is still unstable and I would lay money on the table Afghanistan will be unstable after our withdraw.

    A lot of people die in the police actions and I ask, for what? Our politicians always lie about the outcomes and reasons for the actions. I believe in a military so great that anyone that would ever, ever try to attack the USA would be quickly quashed. I do not believe in using our military for police actions. Getting Bin L. was good theater but it won’t make a difference to the attitude of the off the wall Jihadist attitude.

    Is the recent hire a vet over others a national type of conscience cleansing?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t like the recently adopted term warriors because it brings to mind tribal actions or feudalism. In history societies were so obsessed with the theme warrior that they had a God for war, Athena.

    If we are to assume the term warrior I also like your term homeland warrior. There are people that on a daily basis protect us from any dangers. The fireman that go into a burning building, the policeman that save kidnapped children, etc. They may not be going face to face with danger in a foreign country, they are still risking their lives for American people.

  • Anonymous

    I agree. If you fight in a declared war to protect this country from a true threat, there is no national guilt.

    Discrimination can appear in many different clothing. In 1971 I tried to get into the San Francisco electricians union. I scored well on everything but the guy that talked me into trying to get it (current Union member) told me going into it …. “your chances are low because ahead of test scores the Union will take People of color, women, Asians, etc. and there are only a few open spaces.” Even with a good test score being a white, male put me on the last to consider list. I score 90% but the 75% person in the privileged class would go first.

    So now we have one more class of people to choose ahead of another person. It just doesn’t seem American and doesn’t fall under the umbrella for freedoms that people go to war to protect.