Need to Know, July 20, 2012: Crossing the line, part 2

This week's host Jeff Greenfield

In the rush to stem the tide of undocumented immigrants, has Border Patrol committed widespread abuse on American soil? A former Border Patrol agent blows the whistle on unacceptable conditions in detention centers, including massive over-crowding and detainees who claim they were deprived of food and water.

This groundbreaking report has been produced with assistance from the Nation Institute and the Investigative News Network.

What’s on this week:

Crossing the line, part 2

On Friday, July 20, Need to Know will air our second investigation into alleged abuses by U.S. Border Patrol agents. Correspondent John Larson investigates stories of physical abuse, sexual assault and even torture.

Read: Renewed call for inquiry into border abuses

Guerrero

Web extra: Interview with Andrea Guerrero

Need to Know’s report on the circumstances surrounding the death of Anastasio Hernandez Rojas, an undocumented worker living in San Diego, has led to a federal grand jury probe.

PDF: Members of Congress demand investigation

Previous episodes:

Crossing the line, part 1

The show’s first report on the subject aired in April and sparked a federal grand jury probe. In partnership with the Investigative Fund of the Nation Institute, Need to Know investigates whether U.S. border agents have been using excessive force in an effort to curb illegal immigration.

Crossing the line, part 1 update

One week after our initial broadcast, we took another look at the story of Anastasio Hernandez Rojas. Plus, an interview with Democratic Congressman Raul Grijalva, who tells us that members of congress have inquired about his case before, but had heard nothing from the Justice Department.

Watch more full episodes of Need to Know

 

Comments

  • Anonymous

    Border Patrol Agents like David Kermes exemplifies how low the qualifying standards have sunk. The US Govt is now hiring mere thugs to carry out policies that should only be performed by people that understand all aspects of border issues. I’m sure that the cognitive dissonant class out there will hold  Kermes up as some kind of hero, just like they do Sheriff Arpaio. How pathetic. I would hope that a real housecleaning can occur to rid the system of these heartless brutes, but…Wall Street still commits crimes daily without fear of any justice.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5RMOP5A5WTS6K43UCIHKCSQ2W4 George

    Not a single person should ever be mistreated at the hands of any of our government officials. We ( Americans) are suppose to be using a much higher standard than any country or region. We set the standards. We always have.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=51000108 Mike Kotwicki

    These videos are comical.  I have never seen a more one-sided biased “documentary.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=51000108 Mike Kotwicki

    HAHAHA…their star witness just so happened to get charged with smuggling.  Now he is going against the border patrol.  IRONIC ISNT IT!!!!??? Dirty agent trying to get revenge.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CNTB5K2YXV6OFUBTIG56PLMT3I Michael

    Agent Kermes needs to be disciplined.  Those of you who defend the agent’s behavior are not good Americans.  America is supposed to be above such behavior.  Go burn a cross.

  • Liccelotte

    What is your last name? Correct me if I am wrong, but I doubt that it is an American last name, so you are an immigrant too. Just pray to whatever God you have that this story doesn’t flip around.

  • Anonymous

    Since Suarez and Hinajosa have taken over Need To Know it has mostly done pro-latino stories,more specifically pro-illegal alien mexican stories.These stories are biased and don’t give both sides.The illegal alien mexicans featured in tonight’s story have no credibility whatsoever.They are mad that they paid coyotes money and were caught and returned to Mexico.I doubt the dubious story of that mexican woman that claims she was sexually abused,believing that she fabricated that story hoping she would be given amnesty and allowed to stay in America!!I’m no longer watching this show because of the pro-mexican agenda.Why aren’t there opposing views of the overwhelming majority of Americans that don’t want these illegal alien mexicans in this country?! I guess PBS latinos think if they tell their biased sympathetic latino stories over and over that legal citizens will accept their pro-illegal alien mexican agenda.This is extremely poor ‘journalism’ on the part of PBS!!

  • Anonymous

    Why are these felonious agents still employed by the US Border Patrol???  Why are they not being tried and thrown in prison for their behavior?  The video is clear that they are at least guilty of abuse of power and probably an assortment of felonies.  Someone needs to throw some bleach into this cesspool agency.  To say that it is only a few bad apples is not excuse.  Because all agents who condone it or in fact do not stop it are just as guilty as the ones doing it.  Thank you PBS and Need to Know for continuing your investigation and for stimulating investigative action by Congress.

  • Anonymous

    I find it very strange that you find this story biased.  Since when is investigating the criminal behavior if these abusive Border Patrol Agents in issue of bias. As for your “doubts” about the so called “dubious story” of the Mexican woman….  as a charter cruise captain and someone who crosses both borders and travels in and out of the country on a regular basis, I have personally observed such behavior

  • Svdog

    Many of the allegations in Crossing The Line 2 were complete fabrications. Most migrants have no education, or very little. They honestly believe that crossing the border illegally is no crime at all. So when they are handcuffed, confined, and subject to identification through fingerprints they feel abused and mistreated. Additionally, illegal immigration and particularly narcotics smuggling has been popularized in the Mexican culture to the point that folk songs are produced glorifying the exploits of these criminals. Your interviewer and producers completely missed this, or you chose not to expose it.

    And for the record, the atrocities described, such as kneeling on bottle caps with arms extended and painful positions, comes directly from the text book of the Mexican law enforcement authorities. Realistically, there are far to many witnesses in a Border Patrol facility to create an environment of abuse and torture. Another point that you failed to mention are that detainees are often interviewed by Mexican Consular authorities while they are in custody. Why aren’t these outrageous allegations addressed at that time?

    Overall both of your programs were completely one sided and totally inaccurate. PBS should be ashamed for airing such nonsense. And all the viewers that actually bought into this and posted comments here need to seriously re-evaluate their

  • Takaha

    The charge of smuggling against the agent was found baseless by the court. He was innocent until proven guilty and he was found not guilty. You should get your facts straight before you speak. 

  • Anonymous

    After watching this show I am certain the producers are biased in favor of Mexicans.  The reporter went to the trouble of interviewing the ambassador from Mexico to substantiate the accusations of abuse.  However, the reporter not once asked the Mexican ambassador why his country doesn’t arrest people trying to cross illegally into America.  In fact, the Mexican government gives water, food, and directions to its own citizens to help them cross illegally into America.  

  • Bullfighter11-11

    This show is just another disgusting distortion of the word “immigrant”. The Mexicans come to the US to steal resources meant to feed poor loyal Americans. The Mexican government then provides these “tourists” with enough ID to open bank accounts, get loans, and basically live like an American while bringing the level of living in the US down to third world levels.

    The United Nations consistantly ranks Mexico between 50-57 out of over 180 countries for standard of living. I don’t see Mexico giving aid to those whose countries ranked lower than them, yet they have the nerve to criticize Americans, who have given Mexico more aid than any other country in the world.

    Mexicans have ruined their own country by quadrupling its population in the last 60 years. Why are Americans responsible for the sins of Mexicans?

    Mexico has been the enemy of the United States since Mexican soldiers racially profiled then murdered American immigrants at San Antonio and Goliad in 1836. It was Mexico that invited these American immigrants to settle in Texas, then like cowards, demanded that they leave or die.

    The Battle of the Alamo showed the world what to expect of Mexicans. After the battle, Mexicans who fought along side the American immigrants were given a decent burial, while the American bodies were piled in stacks then set on fire. Yet is this taught to Americans today? Why is this truth concealed?

    At Goliad, American immigrants battled Mexican soldiers but were soon overwhelmed. The Mexican soldiers took 75 Americans prisoner. Later, they executed all the Americans that were captured. Why are the attrocities committed by Mexicans against American immigrants covered up?

    It is time to open up the history books and show the new generation of Americans the truth about their cowardly neighbors.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t support abusive law enforcement. It’s always important to establish policies and procedures to prevent it. But the problem with this show is it’s about and done by illegal immigration advocates and therefore lacks journalistic credibility.

    I don’t know whether the woman profiled was groped or not. Unless I missed something, only her and the unknown person she accuses, they being alone at the time of the alleged event, would know that. 

    She didn’t say anything contemporaneously with alleged event and the year-later investigation didn’t identify her alleged assailant. When she then came up to see agent photos with her ACLU illegal immigrant activist lawyer, picture that I assume were being provided by the Border Patrol (although the Need To Know piece somehow fails to describe the circumstances), she twice couldn’t identify anyone.

    I was also struck by the reason given for her crossing the border: “In search of an American Doctor to repair a botched medical procedure.”

    I know that people from this country sometimes become medical tourists in search of affordable care, given that the United States has the most expensive care in the world. So I have to wonder what this woman’s plans were about paying for the medical care she sought. Such thing obviously don’t matter to the Need To Know elites.

    Much of the rest of the program was also problematic. But then again it really was all about pushing an agenda. 

  • Hdssisneros

    Once again, Jeff Greenfield is misled towards a false contingent of illegals who were probably arrested and detained because they were the drug mules, or coyotes, or just blatantly stupid in that they don’t pay attention to the orders given to them. I am not in law enforcement with any branch, but the fact remains that if you are incarcerated and you wish to act stupid or not accept orders, you will be taken down. It does not matter if you are an American in jail or an illegal that fills the jails as well. The fact remains also that there are many cities here in America that think that they can be amnesty nests for these illegals and it makes it frustrating that you cannot have Border Patrol do their job, such as Santa Fe, New Mexico, otherwise known as Northern Juarez. This city has a lax attitude towards the crimes committed by illegals, and it is never put into the news, so that they can continue to look like if they are the victims, when in fact they are the true criminals.

  • B.Z.

    When societies become too advanced and pluralistic, a social self-destruct switch is thrown and that society then begins to destroy itself. Thanks to some seriously misinformed ‘liberal’ people naively helping those that openly seek the destruction of the host society, it becomes a lethal 1-2 punch. Keep on with this ethnomsaochistic nonsense, and the Balkans will seem like a day at Disney World compared to the future America.

    Your teachers and college professors really let you down, filled your impressionable heads with hate and sasual disgust for America.  You revile your own country and revel all that is foreign. That’s about as perverse as a soul can become. You’ve turned oikophobia into your religion at PBS.

  • Stupaplinth

    I don’t agree, when one acts on decency, on the side of humanity, there is no destruction and B.Z. I don’t know where you get your notions but hopefully it wasn’t from your teachers or college professors.  Sounds like you’ve had a stint in the military and it’s military propaganda that has fueled your hate for your fellow human beings.

  • Stupaplinth

    Agent Kermes is an embarrassment.  I see his facebook page is gone.  His arrogance and stupidity should be fodder for a Border Patrol re-education course.  Get him off the US Border Patrol and into pumping gas, see how he likes being treated like a sub human being.

  • Stupaplinth

    I was so incensed by David Kermes, I wrote his name down so I could use it to complain.

  • B.Z.

    Stupaplinth: Only a liberal could imagine ‘hate’ in my previous comment. I expressed concern and love of my own nation and kin. Oddly that you did not hear or comprehend. If one does not wholeheartedly endorse the whole program or ‘programming’ of the left’s self-hate then they are to be labeled as ‘haters’. Same old tactics of labeling people, ‘racists’, ‘haters’, ‘nazis’ whatever – all straight out of the commie playbook. But here’s the difference – people today are on to this nonsense. The average guy is much more saavy and will not go willingly into the night and join the proletariat, much less be absorbed, threatened or bulldozed by it.

    There was no hate in my previous comment, but the rage filled, liberal hater that you are, must project your social dysfunction onto others. It is ok, I understand it, but will never accept it. Walking around with all that self-loathing and undeserved ‘guilt’ must take a toll on you. How do you do it?

  • sheilandj

    How can anyone not be outraged at the unhumane treatment documented in this episode.  Crossing the border is not in itself illegal.  I am embarrassed that my country and its agents can allow anyone to treat another human being as shown in this video

  • Biloflores

    I watch
    your program about the  Border Patrol Agency. I
    have concerns about that too, my brother who is not legal tried to cross the
    border last year and agents of the Border patrol caught him. He tried to run
    back to the river into the Mexican side, when they got him they beat him up out
    of four agents just one of them hurt him very bad.  When he called he told me that he couldn’t move
    for three days and they never took him to the hospital. The officer who hurt
    him said that my brother tried to get to his gun, I know for sure knowing my
    brother and he lived here for fourteen years he knows better to respect the law
    or any officer.  I was very upset for
    what happen with my brother, he was send back to Mexico and the officer maybe
    got a medal for beating up my brother. Thanks for your program I really enjoy
    watching them. You guys speak for the ones who can’t, God bless you.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/E4S3WH7CYJHF2563DLTVSOEWLM Chickadee 1

     I DID  watch NEED TO KNOW tonight, and wanted to throw  up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  When is the liberal biased media going to quit kissing up to Ohitler and political correctness, and get back to what America is about. I have to pay for my misdemeanors, why shouldn’t they???????????   And, Biloflores, what did you and your brother expect them to do???????  Take him out for a steak dinner???????   He was here illegally!!!!!!!!!!   I know you on the Mexico side don’t think that matters!!!!!!!!!!!   But unfortunately, it does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    The sooner you learn that, the better off you will be!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Crossing a sovereign nation’s borders without authorization is against the law. Undocumented aliens need to be apprehended and repatriated quickly and humanely. The Mexican government (for one) should be tried in an international court of law for willfully neglecting the needs and well-being of its population. 

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps your brother would be better off not trying to illegally enter our nation. That being said, there is no excuse for some of the behavior shown in this documentary. 

  • Anonymous

    retired1, I and many other American Latinos agree with you. We do not wish to see our nation’s borders trampled, its schools bogged down by the children of rustic migrants, our roads made more dangerous by uninsured and unlicensed foreign nationals. This is a time of great economic and environmental stress. Repatriation of undocumented aliens is the most pragmatic and humane program we as a nation can embark upon. It is time for Latin America to get real about its surplus populations and corrupt elites and make a concerted effort at reform. 

  • Anonymous

    Agent Kermes definitely needs to be disciplined. We all agree with you, Michael. We also believe that illegal immigrants need to be repelled at the border, expelled from the interior of our nation and thoroughly disillusioned about their ability break our laws. 

  • Sgtwrench69

    what a bunch of horse manure..are the agents supposed to greet them with food stamps and welfare benefits PBS was once legit now its a liberal talking points show….delete the channel people

  • Arturo

    All people, like you Armando Cedillo, only show their low
    IQ, their ignorance, and their hate when they post writings like yours. You are
    right when you said “crossing a sovereign nation’s border without authorization
    is against the law.” Now, stealing, raping, lying, betraying, corrupting, deceiving,
    etc., etc., etc., is also against the law. Was not that what your very own ancestors
    did when they “found” this “new land”? and was not in the name of their god
    that your very own ancestors killed the native people, enslaved them, tortured
    them; took away their most basics rights, stole their land, their natural
    resources and almost broke their spirit? And did not, your very own ancestor, commit
    all this atrocities with the excuse that the Native Americans were not humans,
    that the Native Americans were savage, that the Native American were ignorant,
    and that the Native Americans needed Europeans? Did not your own very own
    ancestors broke all kinds of moral and judicial laws? Should we, the Native People
    of this Nation, threat your ancestors (can’t do that to them now) and people
    like you the way you and others threat new immigrants who the only thing they are
    doing is to risk their lives crossing the border to put food on their families’
    table? Should we, the Native People of this nation, repatriated, quickly and humanely
    all your very own ancestors and people like you? Immigrants come here to work
    and not to do what your very own ancestors did to millions of Native Americans?
    Now, you tell me, if you are at least a little smart, who is the savage, the
    ignorant, and law breaker?

    This post goes to all of you who think that it is ok to use
    inhumane treatment against immigrants who only broke the law trying to follow a
    human right? That is the right that every human being and creature has. The right
    to survive.  And no, this people do not
    come here to get anything for free. They come here to work and work with
    dignity. You haters, ignorant, low ID misinformed citizens of this nation, do your
    homework, be informed, do research, know your own history and stop showing your
    low IQ, your ignorance, your hate against immigrants. And do not tell me that
    this is not hate…. You guys know very well, in your heart, that hate is the
    driven force behind all your comments.

     Arturo

  • Arturo

    All people, like you Armando Cedillo, only show their low
    IQ, their ignorance, and their hate when they post writings like yours. You are
    right when you said “crossing a sovereign nation’s border without authorization
    is against the law.” Now, stealing, raping, lying, betraying, corrupting, deceiving,
    etc., etc., etc., is also against the law. Was not that what your very own ancestors
    did when they “found” this “new land”? and was not in the name of their god
    that your very own ancestors killed the native people, enslaved them, tortured
    them; took away their most basics rights, stole their land, their natural
    resources and almost broke their spirit? And did not, your very own ancestor, commit
    all this atrocities with the excuse that the Native Americans were not humans,
    that the Native Americans were savage, that the Native American were ignorant,
    and that the Native Americans needed Europeans? Did not your own very own
    ancestors broke all kinds of moral and judicial laws? Should we, the Native People
    of this Nation, threat your ancestors (can’t do that to them now) and people
    like you the way you and others threat new immigrants who the only thing they are
    doing is to risk their lives crossing the border to put food on their families’
    table? Should we, the Native People of this nation, repatriated, quickly and humanely
    all your very own ancestors and people like you? Immigrants come here to work
    and not to do what your very own ancestors did to millions of Native Americans?
    Now, you tell me, if you are at least a little smart, who is the savage, the
    ignorant, and law breaker?

    This post goes to all of you who think that it is ok to use
    inhumane treatment against immigrants who only broke the law trying to follow a
    human right? That is the right that every human being and creature has. The right
    to survive.  And no, this people do not
    come here to get anything for free. They come here to work and work with
    dignity. You haters, ignorant, low ID misinformed citizens of this nation, do your
    homework, be informed, do research, know your own history and stop showing your
    low IQ, your ignorance, your hate against immigrants. And do not tell me that
    this is not hate…. You guys know very well, in your heart, that hate is the
    driven force behind all your comments.

     Arturo

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1829112656 Pav Sterry

    You should see what they do on MSNBC Lockup!
    Inclinarse hacia delante y difundir sus mejillas
    agachese y tosa
    Or even the airport!

  • Neil

    Why don’t they stop entering the U.S then ? Simple !!!…We have the same problem in the UK, thousand and thousands of illegal immigrants caught every year trying to enter the country.  Where are our rights when our depleted taxes are spent housing, feeding and deporting these people back ! I cannot get out of the country without a passport so why are the French borders so lax, thats the question I wish answered ?  My personal opinion who be a warning first time then 10 years hard labour ! Not the softly, cosy conditions you complain about in your programme – It is there own FREE choice to break laws and try enter the country, no one is forcing them to ……

  • Merci_6

    Here’s the thing, the harassment of
    individuals by the U.S. Border Patrol is not limited to just their
    agency or to foreign nationals, the epidemic of this type of behavior is more
    entrenched and systemic than even your news agency is reporting on. I am an
    American who was born in the United States, I am not Hispanic, I am in fact a Caucasian
    male who after serving in the military moved to Mexico and worked in the U.S.

    During a two and one half year time period I was harassed almost
    every time that I crossed the border and was even striped searched once, the
    said and dishearten experience I had to endure was not from the Mexican
    Immigration, it was none other than my own countries immigration who were the responsible
    ones. When crossing from Mexico to the United States almost every time I would
    be asked “What is your citizenship?”    I would
    reply “American” to which the immigration official would reply “I know?” to
    which I would reply “How do you know?” to which the immigration official would
    reply “Your attitude”.

    At other times I would be asked where did I live and I would
    reply in Mexico, to which the immigration official would reply “Then why do you
    want to come back into the U.S.?” to which I would reply because “I am an
    American I have the right to enter my country any time I want” on one occasion
    this same scenario had played out and after I gave my response “I am an
    American I have the right to enter my country any time I want” I was taken into
    a back room and was stripped searched.

    Now during that same two and one half time period I was stopped
    only twice by the Mexican Immigration and both times I felt were justifiable,
    the difference was the Mexican Immigration treated me respect and yes I was
    asked where do you live “I said here” was told ok, the reason I was stopped in
    the first place was that I was crossing the border late at night and it was a
    week day.

  • Rick

    Unfortunately, the Border Patrol has a long, shameful history of attracting and harboring cold blooded gunfighters and killers. Some agents – many, I hope – may live up to their oath. Others are sadists who are an embarrassment to the United States.

  • noma dejesus

    Why does this happen, open the border and let them all in,  they will see the United States is not free. You have to pay thru your ass.

  • norma

    If they dont belong here why r they trying to sneek in. stop cryng and come in the legal the legal way.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3UWCXZEA3GESDO3LZIMDG3WULI lovely

    its a hardship to live here in the u.s. things r expensive, food, cloths, finding jobs housing.,,we barely have for us poor people who r citizening stop taking the little we have… thank you.

  • Evasuceed

    Why don’t you go back to school, and learn to spell first Norma
    Before you make ignorant comments!!!!

  • Evasuceed

    Why don’t you go back to school, and learn to spell first Norma
    Before you make ignorant comments!!!!

  • Arturo

    All people, like you Norma and Armando Cedillo, only show their low
    IQ, their ignorance, and their hate when they post writings like yours. You are
    right when you said “crossing a sovereign nation’s border without authorization
    is against the law.” Now, stealing, raping, lying, betraying, corrupting,
    deceiving,
    etc., etc., etc., is also against the law. Was not that what your very own
    ancestors
    did when they “found” this “new land”? And was not in the name of their god
    that your very own ancestors killed the native people, enslaved them, tortured
    them; took away their most basics rights, stole their land, their natural
    resources and almost broke their spirit? And did not, your very own ancestor,
    commit
    all this atrocities with the excuse that the Native Americans were not humans,
    that the Native Americans were savage, that the Native American were ignorant,
    and that the Native Americans needed Europeans to sruvive? Survived what? We did
    not and do not need you. Did not your own very own ancestors broke all kinds of
    moral and judicial laws? Should we, the Native People
    of this Nation, threat your ancestors (can’t do that to them now) and people
    like you the way you and others threat new immigrants who the only thing they
    are
    doing is to risk their lives crossing the border to put food on their families’
    table? Should we, the Native People of this nation, repatriated, quickly and
    humanely
    all your very own ancestors and people like you back to where you came from?
    Immigrants come here to work and not to do what your very own ancestors did to
    millions of Native Americans. Yes there are, among new immigrants, bad apples. However,
    that is a human condition among.
    Now, you tell me, if you are at least a little smart Norma and Cedillo, who is
    the savage, the
    ignorant, and law breaker? Should we, the Native People of our Nation repatriated,
    quickly and humanely all your ancestors, your family along with you back to
    where you all came from?

    This post goes to all of you who think that it is ok to use
    inhumane treatment against immigrants who only broke the law trying to follow a
    human right? That is the right that every human being and creature has, the
    right
    to survive.  And no, this people do not come here to get anything for
    free. They come here to work and work with dignity. You haters, ignorant, low
    IQ misinformed citizens of this nation, do your homework, be informed, do
    research, know your own history and stop showing your
    low IQ, your ignorance, your hate against immigrants. And do not tell me that
    this is not hate…. You guys know very well, in your heart, that hate is the
    driven force behind all your comments. Do have the courage to accept this fact?

    I doubt that because you are just a bunch of cowards.

     Arturo

  • Arturo

    All people, like you Norma and Armando Cedillo, only show their low
    IQ, their ignorance, and their hate when they post writings like yours. You are
    right when you said “crossing a sovereign nation’s border without authorization
    is against the law.” Now, stealing, raping, lying, betraying, corrupting,
    deceiving,
    etc., etc., etc., is also against the law. Was not that what your very own
    ancestors
    did when they “found” this “new land”? And was not in the name of their god
    that your very own ancestors killed the native people, enslaved them, tortured
    them; took away their most basics rights, stole their land, their natural
    resources and almost broke their spirit? And did not, your very own ancestor,
    commit
    all this atrocities with the excuse that the Native Americans were not humans,
    that the Native Americans were savage, that the Native American were ignorant,
    and that the Native Americans needed Europeans to sruvive? Survived what? We did
    not and do not need you. Did not your own very own ancestors broke all kinds of
    moral and judicial laws? Should we, the Native People
    of this Nation, threat your ancestors (can’t do that to them now) and people
    like you the way you and others threat new immigrants who the only thing they
    are
    doing is to risk their lives crossing the border to put food on their families’
    table? Should we, the Native People of this nation, repatriated, quickly and
    humanely
    all your very own ancestors and people like you back to where you came from?
    Immigrants come here to work and not to do what your very own ancestors did to
    millions of Native Americans. Yes there are, among new immigrants, bad apples. However,
    that is a human condition among.
    Now, you tell me, if you are at least a little smart Norma and Cedillo, who is
    the savage, the
    ignorant, and law breaker? Should we, the Native People of our Nation repatriated,
    quickly and humanely all your ancestors, your family along with you back to
    where you all came from?

    This post goes to all of you who think that it is ok to use
    inhumane treatment against immigrants who only broke the law trying to follow a
    human right? That is the right that every human being and creature has, the
    right
    to survive.  And no, this people do not come here to get anything for
    free. They come here to work and work with dignity. You haters, ignorant, low
    IQ misinformed citizens of this nation, do your homework, be informed, do
    research, know your own history and stop showing your
    low IQ, your ignorance, your hate against immigrants. And do not tell me that
    this is not hate…. You guys know very well, in your heart, that hate is the
    driven force behind all your comments. Do have the courage to accept this fact?

    I doubt that because you are just a bunch of cowards.

     Arturo

  • arturo

    All people, like you Norma, Chickadee (write your real name or are you a coward?) and Armando Cedillo, only show their lowIQ, their ignorance, and their hate when they post writings like yours. You areright when you said “crossing a sovereign nation’s border without authorizationis against the law.” Now, stealing, raping, lying, betraying, corrupting,deceiving,etc., etc., etc., is also against the law. Was not that what your very ownancestorsdid when they “found” this “new land”? And was not in the name of their godthat your very own ancestors killed the native people, enslaved them, torturedthem; took away their most basics rights, stole their land, their naturalresources and almost broke their spirit? And did not, your very own ancestor,commitall this atrocities with the excuse that the Native Americans were not humans,that the Native Americans were savage, that the Native American were ignorant,and that the Native Americans needed Europeans to sruvive? Survived what? We didnot and do not need you. Did not your own very own ancestors broke all kinds ofmoral and judicial laws? Should we, the Native Peopleof this Nation, threat your ancestors (can’t do that to them now) and peoplelike you the way you and others threat new immigrants who the only thing theyaredoing is to risk their lives crossing the border to put food on their families’table? Should we, the Native People of this nation, repatriated, quickly andhumanelyall your very own ancestors and people like you back to where you came from?Immigrants come here to work and not to do what your very own ancestors did tomillions of Native Americans. Yes there are, among new immigrants, bad apples. However,that is a human condition among. Now, you tell me, if you are at least a little smart Norma and Cedillo, who isthe savage, theignorant, and law breaker? Should we, the Native People of our Nation repatriated,quickly and humanely all your ancestors, your family along with you back towhere you all came from?

    This post goes to all of you who think that it is ok to useinhumane treatment against immigrants who only broke the law trying to follow ahuman right? That is the right that every human being and creature has, therightto survive.  And no, this people do not come here to get anything forfree. They come here to work and work with dignity. You haters, ignorant, lowIQ misinformed citizens of this nation, do your homework, be informed, doresearch, know your own history and stop showing yourlow IQ, your ignorance, your hate against immigrants. And do not tell me thatthis is not hate…. You guys know very well, in your heart, that hate is thedriven force behind all your comments. Do have the courage to accept this fact?

    I doubt that because you are just a bunch of cowards.

     Arturo

  • arturo

    All people, like you Norma and Armando Cedillo, and lovely (write your real name or are you a coward? only show their lowIQ, their ignorance, and their hate when they post writings like yours. You areright when you said “crossing a sovereign nation’s border without authorizationis against the law.” Now, stealing, raping, lying, betraying, corrupting,deceiving,etc., etc., etc., is also against the law. Was not that what your very ownancestorsdid when they “found” this “new land”? And was not in the name of their godthat your very own ancestors killed the native people, enslaved them, torturedthem; took away their most basics rights, stole their land, their naturalresources and almost broke their spirit? And did not, your very own ancestor,commitall this atrocities with the excuse that the Native Americans were not humans,that the Native Americans were savage, that the Native American were ignorant,and that the Native Americans needed Europeans to sruvive? Survived what? We didnot and do not need you. Did not your own very own ancestors broke all kinds ofmoral and judicial laws? Should we, the Native Peopleof this Nation, threat your ancestors (can’t do that to them now) and peoplelike you the way you and others threat new immigrants who the only thing theyaredoing is to risk their lives crossing the border to put food on their families’table? Should we, the Native People of this nation, repatriated, quickly andhumanelyall your very own ancestors and people like you back to where you came from?Immigrants come here to work and not to do what your very own ancestors did tomillions of Native Americans. Yes there are, among new immigrants, bad apples. However,that is a human condition among. Now, you tell me, if you are at least a little smart Norma and Cedillo, who isthe savage, theignorant, and law breaker? Should we, the Native People of our Nation repatriated,quickly and humanely all your ancestors, your family along with you back towhere you all came from?

    This post goes to all of you who think that it is ok to useinhumane treatment against immigrants who only broke the law trying to follow ahuman right? That is the right that every human being and creature has, therightto survive.  And no, this people do not come here to get anything forfree. They come here to work and work with dignity. You haters, ignorant, lowIQ misinformed citizens of this nation, do your homework, be informed, doresearch, know your own history and stop showing yourlow IQ, your ignorance, your hate against immigrants. And do not tell me thatthis is not hate…. You guys know very well, in your heart, that hate is thedriven force behind all your comments. Do have the courage to accept this fact?

    I doubt that because you are just a bunch of cowards.

     Arturo

  • arturo

    All people, like you Norma and Armando Cedillo, and lovely (write your real name or are you a coward? only show their lowIQ, their ignorance, and their hate when they post writings like yours. You areright when you said “crossing a sovereign nation’s border without authorizationis against the law.” Now, stealing, raping, lying, betraying, corrupting,deceiving,etc., etc., etc., is also against the law. Was not that what your very ownancestorsdid when they “found” this “new land”? And was not in the name of their godthat your very own ancestors killed the native people, enslaved them, torturedthem; took away their most basics rights, stole their land, their naturalresources and almost broke their spirit? And did not, your very own ancestor,commitall this atrocities with the excuse that the Native Americans were not humans,that the Native Americans were savage, that the Native American were ignorant,and that the Native Americans needed Europeans to sruvive? Survived what? We didnot and do not need you. Did not your own very own ancestors broke all kinds ofmoral and judicial laws? Should we, the Native Peopleof this Nation, threat your ancestors (can’t do that to them now) and peoplelike you the way you and others threat new immigrants who the only thing theyaredoing is to risk their lives crossing the border to put food on their families’table? Should we, the Native People of this nation, repatriated, quickly andhumanelyall your very own ancestors and people like you back to where you came from?Immigrants come here to work and not to do what your very own ancestors did tomillions of Native Americans. Yes there are, among new immigrants, bad apples. However,that is a human condition among. Now, you tell me, if you are at least a little smart Norma and Cedillo, who isthe savage, theignorant, and law breaker? Should we, the Native People of our Nation repatriated,quickly and humanely all your ancestors, your family along with you back towhere you all came from?

    This post goes to all of you who think that it is ok to useinhumane treatment against immigrants who only broke the law trying to follow ahuman right? That is the right that every human being and creature has, therightto survive.  And no, this people do not come here to get anything forfree. They come here to work and work with dignity. You haters, ignorant, lowIQ misinformed citizens of this nation, do your homework, be informed, doresearch, know your own history and stop showing yourlow IQ, your ignorance, your hate against immigrants. And do not tell me thatthis is not hate…. You guys know very well, in your heart, that hate is thedriven force behind all your comments. Do have the courage to accept this fact?

    I doubt that because you are just a bunch of cowards.

     Arturo

  • Arturo

    Lovely, norma, cedilla, Neil, and the other coward people like the ones i mentioned…write back with rebuttal or is it that you are ignorant and all you
    have to say is what you think without the facts?

  • Polloregio

    So what’s New? This has been going one for a long time but nobody has ever cared to look into it. We Americans are indeed our own enemies. Although thousands of thousands of us are citizens and are eligible to vote, we don’t! We are among the largest minority ethnic group, we have the numbers, but we don’t get involved.
    And if you think it’s bad now, wait and see how bad it is going to get if we allow a Republican to be president. 

  • Karrechera

    First learn the immigration laws before writing none sense!!! But here it is free info : when you want o come in to the US from another nation.. You must be inspected and you have no constitutional rights…n you must satisfied the inspector’s suspicious because the majority of USC living in Mexico are in lived in some illegal activity! But if u don’t want to be harassed don cross the border n sated in MEXICO!!

  • Karrechera

    Shameful history?? Sadists? Really you know these for fact?? But here is another fun fact for you, border patrol agents are KILL AT a higher rate in the LINE OF DUTY for our country more often thAn any other law enforcement agent police police officer around the USA.
    Just in this month 5 border patrol agents were killed!

  • Karrechera

    GOOD he got a beating!!! Maybe him n your COMPAS learn not to run!!! In fact he is lucky because if he did that to Mexican police you will be telling a different story!!

  • Karrechera

    GOOD he got a beating!!! Maybe him n your COMPAS learn not to run!!! In fact he is lucky because if he did that to Mexican police you will be telling a different story!!

  • Karrechera

    In other countries.. Illegals are kill, rape, kipnapped, force in labor and/or prostitution for crossing border illegally…AND I AM referring to MEXICO

  • Karrechera

    In other countries.. Illegals are kill, rape, kipnapped, force in labor and/or prostitution for crossing border illegally…AND I AM referring to MEXICO

  • Karrechera

    Seacaptdon… You must be illegal or have illegal family members

  • Karrechera

    It is always the case.. Dirty Mexicans n dirty agents that are Mexican decent!!! Hahaha

  • Norma

    I think this is too sad<~

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Norma-Montiel/1024921171 Norma Montiel

    Because the immigration system i’ts too corrupted,~ and takes forever to issue anything for Mexicans,
    and if you are
    Dying,~in your country,
    just because.
    you don’t know
    if you will
    Survive,

  • M5jimmiller

    If any of these things happened, it happen to trespassers during the commission of at least one crime. Many legal Americans have been through this and worse when they were caught committing a crime. These things will continue until we as a nation eradicate illegal entry of anyone at any border, force potential immigrants to go through the proper channels, require them to learn the national language of English and most importantly stop promoting and allowing people to identify themselves as fill in the blank-American. You are either an American or you are claiming another country in which you should live in. Coming to America and taking the riches of our society while claiming another nationality,flying another flag and saying you don’t need us is a cowardly lie. This is the very basis of a civil war,racism and an over all division of a nation. If you do not want to assimilate to the united states culture and language then go to or stay in the country you want to claim. The melting pot is about melting in any legal immigrant to the American way of life. Not changing America in to the country you so desperately wanted to leave. Why do you think you wanted to leave that place to begin with? For
    Pete’s sake quit trying to bring up what happened a hundred or more years ago to justify poor anti assimilate behavior now. No one will ever be able to even up the score of ancestors past. Insisting on having rights in a country in which you are not a citizen is just plain dumb. I have no rights in Mexico or France,Italy ,Russia or any other country where I am not a citizen. If you want to become an American . Then do so the correct way, do not disrespect those who have immigrated here legally or stay in the country you claim. I am an American no prefix needed and my family immigrated to the USA legally. I am proud to be an American and have no need to claim a country of origin. It would be a slap in the face to country who has given me and my family so much.

  • Andread765

    Naco, Sonora’s American run support Depot for newly bused immigration detainee’s has shut down — Why?    The border Patrol no longer empty’s their buses in Naco  – could it be because needed support is available to these folks that need it.   I think so!