Churches in Financial Distress


FRED DE SAM LAZARO (guest anchor): For many people struggling through these hard economic times, the church has been a place to find solace and — for some — a food shelf. However, when it comes to paying the light bill, the phone bill, and the mortgage, some churches are finding themselves as hard-pressed as their congregants. While charitable giving to churches actually went up overall in 2008, many worship communities have been forced to lay off employees. Some even face the threat of foreclosure. Saul Gonzalez has this report from Southern California.

SAUL GONZALEZ: At the recent worship facilities conference and expo held in Long Beach, California, the business of marketing to places of worship was on full display. At this twice-a-year national convention, companies try to sell their products and services to churches and religious institutions.

UNIDENTIFIED SALES REPRESENTATIVE #1 (speaking to conference attendee): Maybe two cameras to cover the minister and the choir?

GONZALEZ: Their wares range from sophisticated video production gear to pews for churches and synagogues.

UNIDENTIFIED SALES REPRESENTATIVE #2: This is the Cadillac. This is our theater seat, a completely wooden theater seat.

GONZALEZ: Banks and credit unions that specialize in lending and financial consulting to houses of worship also attended.

UNIDENTIFIED BANK SALES REPRESENTATIVE (speaking to conference attendee): We don’t necessarily go by loan to value. We’re looking at cash flow.

GONZALEZ: Although there was plenty of hustle and bustle on the convention floor this year, the recession cast a pall over this expo.

STEVE KROH (Architect): In 25 years, it’s never hit us this hard before.

GONZALEZ: Steve Kroh is an architect whose firm specializes in church design. With congregations cutting back on expansion and new construction plans, Kroh is seeing his business plummet.

Mr. KROH: We’re not having to lay off a lot of people yet, but we’re cutting back on hours and just trying to hang in there right now. We are taking a lot smaller projects than we used to just to keep everybody busy.

ERIC KNOWLES (Founder and CEO, Church Brokers, San Diego, CA): The recession is hitting everybody, and it’s affecting churches just as much as it is the mom and pop homeowner.

GONZALEZ: Eric Knowles is the founder and CEO of Church Brokers, a San Diego firm that specializes in church real estate and financing.

Mr. KNOWLES: Right now, most of the churches we’ve been working with, probably the past year or least, they are all pulling the reins in. They’re not spending anything outside of the hard fast debt they have to pay. Salaries are getting cut back. People are getting let go. A lot of churches are letting their staff go or reducing their pay, going to part time. So it’s a challenging time for churches right now.

GONZALEZ: One house of worship struggling to keep its doors open in the down economy is Long Beach’s Immanuel Church, which is part of the United Church of Christ.

Reverend JANE STORMONT GALLOWAY (Pastor, Immanuel Church, Long Beach, CA): Foreclosure is a possibility and something that we are concerned about.

GONZALEZ: And to those out there who think of churches as being foreclosure-proof?

Rev. GALLOWAY: Oh, no. Forget it.

GONZALEZ: With revenues down, Reverend Jane Galloway’s church is struggling to pay off a more than $850,000 mortgage and loans used to pay for repairs of this more than 80-year-old building.

Rev. GALLOWAY (speaking at meeting): Talking with the mortgage — our mortgage broker. . .

GONZALEZ: To stay afloat the church has cut expenses, and Reverend Galloway has volunteered to slash most of her own pay.  But despite the belt tightening, every bill that arrives brings a new challenge.

Rev. GALLOWAY: I mean we’re literally at a point where my husband walked in the other day and said this was on the side door, and it was a turn-off notice for the utilities. Now we are at a scary moment, and we know that each month, if we are unable to make our mortgage payment on time, we could be — the default process can be filed and a foreclosure proceeding could begin.

GONZALEZ: Although no single, hard number exists, banks and credit unions that lend to houses of worship report a steady increase in church bankruptcies and foreclosures. One of them is this 1,000-seat church north of San Diego. Built just in 2005, it closed last year after the church defaulted on loans. Even wealthy and powerful megachurches, such as southern California’s Crystal Cathedral, have had to cut staff and put millions of dollars worth of property up for sale to help pay off debts. Whether they’re big or small, many churches’ money troubles stem from s steady decline in giving. According to the Christian research company the Barna Group, American churches got between $3 and $5 billion less in donations than they expected to receive during the last quarter of 2008. That’s about a four to six percent decline.

Reverend PHIL HERRINGTON (Pastor, Pathways Community Church, Santee, CA, addressing congregation:  I thank you to so many of you who have given faithfully using this envelope.  It really helps us pay the bills and do what we do as a ministry — in helping people and loving God and loving people.

GONZALEZ: Phil Herrington is pastor of Pathways Community Church in Santee, California.

Rev. HARRINGTON: We have a number of people in our church right now that are unemployed, that have lost jobs. People who used to be significant donors in the church have just flat out lost their income. Maybe they can give in a smaller way, but that affects our overall income.

GONZALEZ: In response, Pathways has had to cut staff and fill more positions with volunteers. Houses of worship that face foreclosure and other financial troubles often get into their predicaments for the same reasons that homeowners and consumers do: borrowing and spending too much money when times are good and not being prepared when the economy goes from boom to bust.

Mr. KNOWLES: You know, churches are no different than, literally, business owners or homeowners. We all believed that everything was going continue to appreciate, that there was no turning of the curve, and so everybody was overleveraging, and churches are no different. They were not exempt.

GONZALEZ: Real estate broker Eric Knowles, a devout evangelical Christian, says churches’ financial problems are sometimes made worse by leaders who are unable to face harsh economic realities.

Mr. KNOWLES: There’s that faith, you know, that often we think that the Lord is directing us to go do something. Well, how do you refute that when I deal with a pastor that says that the Lord is calling me to buy this building? And I have many situations where it will not pencil. We run our analysis and we get real involved and detailed.  But then the pastors continue to say, well, I believe God is directing me for this. Goodness. So what do you do? What do you do? We give the best counsel we can. We give it to them pragmatically, you know, documented in writing that this is where you are going to be, and often time the pastor will look me in the face and say, well, you know what? I understand what you are saying. I understand by earthly standards this will not work, but God has called me to do it. And that’s the trump card. What do you do? You’re just kind of like, okay.

GONZALEZ: In both good economic times and bad, some churches are supplementing what goes into collection baskets by finding new and creative ways to raise income.  For instance, with assistance from investors Pathways Community Church purchased this once dilapidated shopping mall. The church occupies the space that was once a supermarket but rents out the rest of the center to other businesses. The revenue earned helps the church pay operating expenses and mortgage payments that total over $21,000 a month.

Rev. HARRINGTON: Right now it’s helping us survive. If we didn’t have that right now we would have to massively downsize staff and personnel and do a lot less ministry out in the community than we are doing right now. So it has opened up a lot of doors for us.

Rev. GALLOWAY (speaking at meeting):  I think it could be shared space, perhaps like a collective office space . . .

GONZALEZ: But as they try to guide their churches through turbulent economic times, the strain is taking a visible toll on some religious leaders such as Reverend Galloway.

Rev. GALLOWAY: I really want this to work, and I feel a sense of responsibility. I’ll let myself be this vulnerable because you are asking me this. I feel a sense of responsibility to the people I am here for. People come here with broken hearts. People come here looking for food — looking for spiritual food, and I hear the kind of despair they are in, and I realize that it’s crazy for me to be this preoccupied with the finances of some place, when I’m here to create a place where people can come and find solace. So I feel a sense of responsibility to the people who come here for that kind of nurturance.

UNIDENTIFIED SALES REPRESENTATIVE #3:  We’ve developed what we call our McDonald’s approach to church design.  It’s our “church in a box.”

GONZALEZ: At the expo, those attending hoped the recession would soon end, allowing houses of worship to focus not on their money problems, but on their ministries.

For RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY, I’m Saul Gonzalez in Long Beach, California.

  • Joe Dunst

    I have some reservations when a Pastor believes that God’s Holy Spirit is telling them to “go ahead and build….” Why would God mislead a minister when this is not His Nature? (Is this the
    devil at work?). I know that this could be controversial and lacking faith but it must be asked.

  • Pat Wintersteen

    Joe, your questioning the Pastor/Minister’s beleifs/actions as possibly “the devil at work” reminds me of the story of Noah’s Ark, where folks questioned Noah’s beleifs/actions.
    While I agree with you that your question is controversial and could be lacking in faith, I must part company with your “know”ing it must be asked.

  • Kevin K.

    Joe; when you think about it, your question is a valid one. Why would God mislead a minister when this is not His Nature? Is this the devil at work? (By His Nature I assume you mean God’s nature?)

    The answers to both your questions are found in the Bible…

    First, God does not mislead people, it would be impossible for him to do so. In fact, his prophet Hosea stated that the ‘…ways of God are upright’ (Hosea 14:9) Moses wrote about God that ‘… perfect is his activity, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; Righteous and upright is he.’(Deut 32:3, 2) Because his activities are dictated by his perfect sense of love and justice, it would be impossible for God to mislead people.

    As to your second question, yes it is the Devil’s work: Jesus warned his followers that humans could not slave for Riches and for God. (Matt 6:24) The Devil knows all too well the distractions that riches bring; but look at the contrasting counsel from God’s word…namely, to ‘keep a simple eye’ (Matt 6:22) The Devil knows all to well the weaknesses of humans; materialism, greed, the desire for riches, etc.

    God is not impressed by how large or fancy our church may be. We are wise to avoid burdening ourselves with unnecessary debt and with possessions or pursuits that require much time and attention; rather, we should pursue a modest lifestyle. We can please God well when we do his will and apply his commandments and principles in our lives. (1 Tim 6:9,10) (Micah 6:6-8) If we do these things, we will find that our anxiety levels over material things will diminish, and that our ‘whole body is bright’(Matt 6:22-23)


  • John R. Brooks

    I always try to view this program. I especialy viewed the segment on the finacial issues facing churches today. For those that were involved in this story they may rest assured that the problesw they are having are not unique to them. There are many smaller churches with less people in attendenance that have the same issues facing them. We all must remember that God’s church is not a building but is the people. We must remember that HIS church will survive.

  • Jane Galloway

    Hi John, I totally agree. Thanks for your post. Rev. Jane Galloway

  • Eric Smith

    This is fantastic, I love watching corrupt business get crushed.

  • Kim

    Our church is one of the ones that have been hit financially and are upon foreclosure, does anyone know of any people or organizations that help churches or ministries prevent foreclosure? Please, no debates, I just need to know is there help out there…thanks.

  • Jackie

    I agree with Kevin K. We humans are to materialistic and greedy. My church is in financial ruins simply because our Pastor is living in never never land. He only cares about spending every dime on his large salary, purchasing frivolous items that doesn’t help the church in any way, and supporting his brother-in-law, who lives in another state and doesn’t have anything to do with our congregation. He wanted to build a million dollar addition to the church when the church had twenty checks to bounce in one month. Most of our members are old and retired. The new ones that join are having a hard time and he keeps on repeating “GOD WILL MAKE A WAY”. No Bank would finance the project. THANK GOD!!!!!

  • Joe McCarthy

    I don’t know about the spirit, but the necessity to tend to the flock need facilities, locally a new, fourth Catholic Church has been built as the California Central Valley is experiencing the children from the Bay Area and their own spiritual needs…my perspective is necessarily biased.
    These big box churches, little “c,” have drawn those, who felt betrayed at their traditional Church… they lost faith, but maybe their faith, could not withstand the assault against their faith and Church.. Their own improperly formed conscious, and the despair that they felt…they shall return
    Another publication has again brought up, “Is God Dead” and posits a decline in real terms the withdrawal from tradition to the Americanization of faith.
    Rick Warren, Joel Olsteen, Crystal Cathedral and those who have absconded the spiritualism of Church and that relationship with God because of the media, have done a disservice to the many for the benefit of the few…an inverted perspective of the Christian ethic I know so well as i reject the perverse materialism of the Big Box Christians.
    I do not know of any organizatios which solve fiscal mismanagements, I would thing refinancing and see that does not always work.

  • Rev. Josue Toussaint

    My church is in big problem financially, we need help. If anybody knows some one who could help refinance a mortgage, please let me know. thank you, Josh.

  • Apostle Yaw Dickson

    A call for help.
    The church need financial aid to put a new church auditorium.Construction site has been allocated and paid for