Cambodia’s Khmer Rouge Trial


FRED DE SAM LAZARO, correspondent: To the world outside, Cambodia may be best known for its killing fields. A quarter of this country’s population perished during the genocidal Khmer Rouge reign in the 1970s—some two million people.

TELEVISION ANNOUNCER (in translation): Hello and welcome to the 22nd program in our series “Duch on Trial.”

DE SAM LAZARO: Three decades later Cambodians have been able to tune in to the first Khmer Rouge trial. It may seem so little so late, but supporters say the international tribunal could help this country finally move on—help shed light on a period most know little about. Two-thirds of today’s Cambodians weren’t even born during the Khmer Rouge years.

KAENG GUEK EAV (former Khmer Rouge prison chief, alias “Duch”): We treated them as if they were already dead. I allowed four torture methods.

post01-khmerrougeDE SAM LAZARO: Kaeng Guek Eav, better known as Comrade Duch, is the first to stand trial. He was commander of the notorious Tuol Sleng prison. Under his watch at least 14,000 men, women and children were photographed and documented in a macabre administrative process. They were then tortured and killed. Chum Mey was one of only seven prisoners to survive. He finally had his day in court recalling the torture he suffered, as the man who now has admitted responsibility and “heartfelt sorrow” looked on.

CHUM MEY: On the 10th day they electrocuted me. Every time I think of the Khmer Rouge I think of my wife and children.

DE SAM LAZARO: Chum survived because he was a mechanic with skills the Khmer Rouge needed for fixing sewing machines. Today, ironically, he earns a living giving guided tours of the prison, which is now a museum.

CHUM MEY: This woman’s husband was a Khmer Rouge soldier. He was killed, and they arrested her.

DE SAM LAZARO: On this day Chum told his story to Eric Stover, a California-based human rights activist who is studying the impact of international courts on societies in general and on individual victims.

ERIC STOVER: One of the things I think people will be looking at is to make sure that somebody who is responsible like Duch was for up to 12-, 13-, 14,000 deaths—that his sentence reflects the gravity of those crimes.

post02-khmerrougeVan Nath

DE SAM LAZARO: But in a land unfamiliar with the ways of the tribunal, some people, especially survivors like Van Nath, think it’s too lenient. His life was spared so he could paint portraits of Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge leader. He now sells paintings of his painful memories.

STOVER (speaking to Van Nath): So everyone was blindfolded when they were taken into Tuol Sleng.

DE SAM LAZARO: Van Nath says testifying at Duch’s trial made him angry, at the cross-examination and at seeing how well the defendant seemed to be treated.

VAN NATH (in translation): It was just like a shock when I go there to the court and see him. When I tell them the truth they doubt me, ask me a lot of questions. I don’t feel the trust when I tell them, and that makes me feel bad. It seems like the accused person has more rights that the civil parties do, and I’m really not satisfied with that.

DE SAM LAZARO: Many also are dissatisfied with the slow pace of justice. It was delayed for years by cold war politics and a reluctant Cambodian government that still has former members of the Khmer Rouge in it, though none was senior enough to stand trial. Negotiations led to a court which has two international and three Cambodian justices. It will try only a handful of prominent surviving Khmer Rouge leaders.

STOVER: The Cambodian government itself was not that in favor of this court. Even the negotiations to create it took a long period of time. We say that with evidence, over time evidence loses its value. You’re 30 years later, peoples memories have been—people have forgotten, people have died, so they—going after those most responsible is really all you’re going to get at this point

post03-khmerrougeDE SAM LAZARO: Justice delayed may be justice denied for many victims, but Chum Sirath, who started a group called the Victims Association says that despite the limited number of defendants, the court sends an important message.

CHUM SIRATH: If you can have a bigger number, more number, it would be better. But if not, it’s better than nothing. Even after 45 years when you commit a crime there will be people who try to put you, to take you into account. This is one of the lessons that young generation can learn.

DE SAM LAZARO: Eric Stover is among those who have pushed the court itself to teach some of those lessons—a role courts don’t usually take on.

STOVER: I don’t think any court should be expected to be a social engineering institution, but what we can expect from them is that they should have vigorous programs to try to go out into the population and describe what they’re doing, why they’re doing it, and what their limitations are.

DE SAM LAZARO: He says after a slow start the court did launch outreach programs. Twice a week buses have brought thousands of Cambodians on field trips. I asked this group of visitors how many had ever heard of the court before coming here.

A weekly television program during the trial brought the court a much larger audience.

post04-khmerrougeTELEVISION PROGRAM (in translation): Now we’re going to see a selection of evidence given to the court about some of the crimes with which Duch has been charged. Viewers should be aware that some but not all of the stories told here were denied by Duch.

DE SAM LAZARO: Matthew Robinson produced the series with grants from Western donors.

MATTHEW ROBINSON: We have to devise a language and to base our understanding of what was going on in the court that would be intelligible to people whose basic knowledge of legal proceedings, indeed court proceedings, is minimal indeed.

TELEVISION PROGRAM (in translation): Thanks to everyone here for this discussion of Duch’s trial. We hope that this will encourage you at home to talk together about this topic so vital to Cambodia’s future well-being and progress.

DE SAM LAZARO: The program has also encouraged dialogue between survivors and a younger generation that has heard only whispers about the atrocities.

ROBINSON: Anybody from 25 down are not so much skeptical about it, but they lack knowledge. Parents seem to be reluctant, maybe even embarrassed, to talk about what happened to them.

DE SAM LAZARO: Youk Chhang wants to make sure young people get the knowledge they need even if their parents won’t talk about it.

YOUK CHHANG (Director, Documentation Center of Cambodia): This is the textbook for grade 9-12.

post05-khmerrougeDE SAM LAZARO: He’s director of the Cambodia Documentation Center, which has published a textbook that is now being provided to one million Cambodian students.

YOUK CHHANG: Start from the creation of the Khmer Rouge movement all the way to the fall of the Khmer Rouge in ’79.

DE SAM LAZARO (speaking to Youk Chhang): Most kids growing up in this country have never learned about it?

YOUK CHHANG: They never learned about this, but they heard about this. Right now the first time in 30 years from grade 9-12, also the foundation year of every single university, allow to study Khmer Rouge history, and education is very important in terms of preventing genocide in the future. It’s all about the future.

DE SAM LAZARO: The verdict and sentencing are expected early in June. Survivors like Van Nath hope it brings justice.

VAN NATH (in translation): The verdict should be balancing what Duch has done, how many people he killed and how many he caused suffering. For me, I can’t forgive.

DE SAM LAZARO: And even though the Cambodian tribunals may be years late, Eric Stover says that’s not historically unusual.

STOVER: The interesting thing is President Chirac in France was 55 years later after the Holocaust that he actually apologized for the French police sending off Jews to be sent to the concentration camps. So one of the things we have to learn is when mass violence hits a country, a society, and tears it apart, it takes a long time for it to repair itself.

DE SAM LAZARO: The Cambodia tribunal’s next case—a joint trial of four elderly former Khmer Rouge officers—is expected to begin in 2012.

For Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly, this is Fred de Sam Lazaro in Phnom Penh.

  • Ronnie Yimsut

    Justice delayed is the same as justice denied. Better late than never. Better have an imperfect court process than no court at all. There is NO JUSTICE in this world and REVENGE only brought more sufferings. There is a fine line between JUSTICE and REVENGE, a line that survivors are having a hard time comprehend. We shall go to the grave with it. Life goes on for (most of us) survivors, regardless.

    Ronnie Yimsut
    “Tonle Sap Lake Massacre” lone survivor.

  • Penny Turner

    I am so glad that these people are finally being bought to trial, no matter how late is seems. The People of Cambodia have suffered too much at there MUST be worldwide publicity about the terrible Pol Pot regime. The suffering of the Cambodians is on a level with the Jewish People during WW11, so why has the world forgotton about the more recent atrocities of the Khmer Rouge? (That would also include the bombing by other parties, who seem reluctant to compensate the Cambodian people).

    Hopefully the wicked will finally be called to justice!

  • RF Gillum

    When will the UN, regional alliances, and even the US be prepared to intervene to stop massive crimes against humanity and genocide instead of weakly reacting after millions have died?

  • Hoeun C.

    When I read and saw the verdict I wonder how that verdict be considered justice. I’m Khmer and 1st gen in my family to be born near the end of the genocide the my mother and father lived through. My family escaped to the borders of Thailand and I was born an as I was growing up in that area the constant reminder of what happened and is happening during that place and time tells me how lucky I was to be where i was. Then we came to the U.S. in the early 90s and my mother sometimes tell me bout her life before the Khmer Rouge and the events during the time they came into power. When she saw the article and events that was taking place for this she told me that that man isn’t allowed the judgment that he was given. His tears or his family that shed tears for him or with him have no right to shed them. My tears that i cried for the loss and murder of my loved ones will not find no rest or closure for what they did. The sins they have committed will not go to their grave when they leave this life but their family will also pay for their crimes and sins. My mother was upset when she found out about his sentence and she tells me that that is not the end for him or the others that have their hands dirtied by their actions and their bloodline will feel and pay for the pains they have caused for the end of time. She knows that there is no closure for her or the many other families that went through the horrors that destroyed their lives. My feelings and thoughts on all of this is of feeling cheated that he got off easy. I believe wholeheartedly in karma and I know they will get whats coming to them. The only closure that I can find for myself is showing to my mother and father that my life and of my brothers that begin now will strive and continue on to be something better and greater than the beginning of their lives they were forced to go through. I know where I am going with my life but I always remind my self and my family around me where we come from and the hardships that they went through is not lost on us with the life that we live now. I’m thankful to and for them for living and showing that no matter how bleak or how much sadness and heartache that our life may go through will not stop us and we will live and push on with the life we are given as long we don’t lose faith and hope in ourselves . They tell me that if you don’t have the will or desire to live the life that is given to you then that life is a loss for the future it could of been or made.