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TIM O’BRIEN, correspondent: The case was brought by Hobby-Lobby, a national chain of craft stores owned by a devoutly Christian family. The family objects to provisions in the Affordable Care Act that require them to provide insurance coverage for contraception methods that they view as tantamount to abortion—such as the “morning after pill.”

STEVE GREEN (President, Hobby Lobby, Inc.): This is an issue of life. We cannot be part of taking life, and so to be in a situation where our government is telling us that we have to be is incredible.

O’BRIEN: Hobby Lobby relies heavily on a 1993 law called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, landmark legislation that states that the federal government “shall not substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion” unless it is “the least restrictive means of furthering a compelling government interest.” The court is expected to use the Hobby Lobby case to determine just how much religious freedom the law actually restores—and for whom.

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When the case was argued last March, the court’s more conservative justices appeared supportive of Hobby Lobby, but others questioned whether corporations like Hobby Lobby have any religious freedom at all:

Justice Sonya Sotomayor: “How does a corporation exercise religion? Where are the cases that show that a corporation exercises religion?”

Justice Anthony Kennedy, often the swing vote in close cases, asked about the religious beliefs of the employees, who may not share the beliefs of the employers:

Justice Anthony Kennedy: “The employee may not agree with these religious—religious belief of the employer. Does the religious beliefs [of the employer] just trumps? Is that the way it works?”

The court’s only female Justices—Ruth Ginsburg, Sonya Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan—seemed most skeptical of Hobby Lobby’s religious arguments:

Justice Elena Kagan: “The Congress has made a judgment, and Congress has given a statutory entitlement, and that entitlement is to women and includes contraceptive coverage, and when the employer says, ‘No, I don’t want to give that,’ that woman is quite directly, quite tangibly harmed.”

At the heart of the case: just how far does the Religious Freedom Restoration Act reach?

Justice Sonya Sotomayor: “Is your claim limited to sensitive materials like contraceptives, or does it include items like blood transfusions, vaccines?

Justice Elena Kagan: “There are many people who have religious objections to vaccinations. What happens then? So another employer comes in and that employer says ‘I have a religious objection to sex discrimination laws.’ And then another employer comes in, ‘I have a religious objection to minimum wage laws,’ and then another—family leave, and then another—child labor laws.”

Not specifically mentioned in the court’s arguments, but very much on the line in this case: gay rights. While many cities prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation, accommodating gays and lesbians may violate the religious convictions of some employers and landlords. What happens then?

When Congress passed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, it explained that courts were to strike what it called “a sensible balance between claims for religious liberty and the interests of government.” “A sensible balance”: Easier said than done, as Monday’s decision in this divisive case is all but certain to demonstrate.

For Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly, I’m Tim O’Brien at the Supreme Court.

Contraception Mandate Case

Editor’s Note: On Monday, June 30, a deeply-divided U.S. Supreme Court ruled that some for-profit corporations cannot be required to provide their employees contraception coverage which violates their religious beliefs. Watch our video of reactions to the ruling outside the court.

The reach of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and the Affordable Care Act will both be tested by the Supreme Court’s decision in the case brought by craft store chain Hobby Lobby. The decision is expected Monday, June 30, and many say it’s the most important religion case in years. Hobby Lobby is owned by a devout Christian family. Its president, Steven Green, has said the mandate that corporations provide insurance for contraceptives such as the morning after pill is like requiring the family to “be part of taking life.” The justices have heard the arguments and now must determine whether there is a reasonable balance that can be struck between religious employers and the new health care law.

  • Evelyn

    Hobby Lobby has no right to dictate to employees what is best for them. Often less children is much more beneficial for the whole family.

  • Michael

    Employees have no right to dictate to the employer. If the employee wants contraception they can still get it, the employer is not telling them they can’t but the employer has the right to say “No” I will not pay for that. A business is owned by a person . It operates at the whim of its owner. It is nothing but property, like a car or a house. Don’t like the business, work somewhere else but you cannot dictate to a business owner or violate their religious beliefs…

  • cipher

    The employer isn’t being required to pay for it. A health plan is part of an employee’s compensation. If an employer were to discontinue health coverage and pay his employees more so they could purchase their own, would he have the right to follow them into the drugstore to make sure they weren’t buying prophylactics or oral contraceptives?

    But then, you probably think he would.

  • Michael

    “A covenant of peace or commerce with such may happen to be unlawful in respect of some circumstances, as when peace is given to these rebels, murderers, incendiaries in the kingdom, who, by the law of God, ought to be destroyed by the hand of justice; or when commerce with idolaters is so abused, as to furnish them with the things that they are known to make use of in their idolatry. ” -George GIllespie, Of Unlawful Association, 1643

    If ‘I know’ (and there is the clause, “knowing”) they are going to use something whether money, object, or service for evil and wickedness I am forbidden to do commerce with them. Whether that is by selling them the service or having their employment and pay them. Contraception is unlawful, therefore I cannot provide even as a business owner, regardless of what the government says and regardless of how the Supreme Court Rules. If one penny is required to be given to this then it is a violation of my religion. Period!

  • cipher

    Then don’t employ them in the first place. You’ve just argued against yourself, but naturally, you aren’t bright enough to realize it. In the meantime, isolate yourself on a compound in Idaho and wait for Jesus to come and collect you in his celestial minivan.

    Don’t worry, Michael. We’ll all be in hell soon enough. That will give you no end of pleasure.

  • Michael

    No thank you. We are not to isolate ourselves nor are we waiting for Jesus to come (yet). I am waiting for the last nation to bow it’s knee to Christ well before Jesus returns..

    “The day begins to dawn. We see the first rays of the millennial morning streaming over the mountains of future years. Our Redeemer is on his march, and the brightness of light is before him. The mountains will flow down at his presence. “Who art thou, O great mountain! Before Zerubbabel, thou shalt become a plain.” “Hosannah in the highest! blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord!” “All kings shall bow down before him: all nations shall serve him.”” -Subjection of Kings and Nations to Messiah, 1819

    Because,

    “There will come a time when civil governments of an immoral character, shall cease to exercise tyranny over the nations. Their downfall will be succeeded by the setting of kingdoms established upon holy principles, and administered by godly men, The kingdom of Christ, in other words, will then be fully established.” -The Two Sons of Oil, 1773-1852

    And for that we have assurance..

    Our job is to convert to the nations and to teach them ALL things I have commanded you (Matthew 28).

  • cipher

    You have no “assurance”. You have your hateful, obscene system of belief that is a form of collective psychosis – and quoting 300 year-old books is no more convincing than quoting a 3,000 year-old collection of Bronze Age fairy tales.

    You belong in a psychiatric facility, not commenting on a blog.

  • Michael

    haha… Now that’s funny.. You should be a stand up Comedian. Perhaps you should quit your day job….

  • Michael

    By the way your argument is an Argumentum ad hominem which a logical fallacy. It is also Argumentum ad passiones, Argumentim ad populum, as well as Poisoning the well and an Appeal to Equality. Would you like to add any more logical fallacies to these? .

  • cipher

    Yes, very impressive. I’m humbled by this demonstration of your philosophical prowess.

    Except that I wasn’t really arguing, just venting. Arguing with people like you is futile. You’re a congenital psychopath. Of course, there is no way in which this can be explained to you.

  • cipher

    Duplicate comment deleted.

  • cipher

    And of course, now you’ll have the last word. Your kind always needs to.

    Keep furiously clutching that security blanket, Michael. It’s all that
    really matters to you – well, that and seeing everyone you dislike
    (which I suspect is just about everyone) being roasted alive for all of eternity.

  • Reggie

    If I am against war our government still budgets 57% to national defense. I am still paying for death and destruction of other human beings. If my state does not make helmets mandatory for riding motorcycles, I we still pay taxes for head injuries, rehabilitation and disability for those who legally don’t wear helmets. If Mr. Green has strong biblical convictions regarding life, why does he look the other way when he orders goods from sweatshops and puts money into a system that does not give its citizens a choice of how many children they wish to have. You can’t value life without caring about the quality of life. The bible has plenty to say about the poor and those who oppress the poor. It is wrong for our government to support a la cart religion.

  • Reggie

    Judge and you will be judged. Sound familiar?

  • Reggie

    Perhaps you should read the gospels!

  • Michael

    Perhaps you should read all of the Scriptures (which are all the words of Christ) and interpret the gospels not in isolation from or apart from all the rest of Scripture. To do otherwise is a hermeneutical error. No Scripture is of private interpretation and No Scripture can contradiction other Scripture but must be interpret as a whole and in unity.

  • Michael

    “Why We Cannot be Evangelical… The Reformed wing of the Reformation
    expressed the unity of God¹s covenant in both Old and New Testaments.
    The evangelicals stress the disunity of those covenants ‹ for
    evangelicals, the goal of the Faith is to reproduce “New Testament
    Christianity.” Evangelicals believe in a one-quarter Bible; Reformed
    Christians believe in a whole Bible. Evangelicals routinely dismiss the
    authority of the Old Testament. The Old Testament law, they assert, is
    part of the “old” covenant, and it was only for ancient Israel in any
    case; today we listen only to the words of Jesus, John, Paul, and so
    forth. Evangelicals are among the loudest in insisting on “believing the
    Bible from cover to cover,” but they do not believe that three quarters
    of what appears between the covers has any relevance for today. They
    talk sanctimoniously about “strict Biblical inerrancy,” but this usually
    is simply pious gibberish because they deny that the provisions of the
    new covenant were operative in the Old Testament (Gal. 4:22-31).
    They don’t see much of the gospel, if any at all, in the Old Testament.
    And because evangelicalism centers on the gospel, this means that the
    Old Testament is largely irrelevant. Functionally, therefore, the term “Bible-believing” does not apply to most evangelicals.”

    And for this, I am NOT Evangelical nor ever hold the same Evangelical.

  • Michael

    False dichotomy and a violation of sphere sovereignty (What the bible actually teaches about the separation of Church and State) . No where in Scripture does it give the Magistrate authority to help the poor. That my friend is the job of the Church and of individuals and on a FREE will bases. To make the state do it and do it through forced taxation is a violation of the eight commandment and it is tyranny.

    “If it were not so, then it is free and arbitrary to the Magistrate to
    appoint what punishments himself pleaseth. But this is not arbitrary to
    him, for he is the Minister of God, Rom. 13.4. and the judgment is the
    Lord’s, Deut. 1.7; 2 Chron. 19.6. And if the Magistrate be Keeper of
    both Tables, he must keep them in such manner as God hath delivered them
    to him.” -Westminster divine George Gillespie, Wholesome Severity Reconciled with Christian Liberty, 1646

    The magistrates role is not arbitrary nor it is permitted to him to come up with any law he so chooses, he is not even free to appoint what punishments himself pleases..

  • Michael

    The context of that passage is strictly hypocritical judging and based on man made laws. John 7:24 teaches that we are judge according to righteous judgment.. Or in other words according to the Word of God, the Holy Scriptures and not based on appearance or man-made regulations or laws.

    Why do so many people love quoting Scripture and particularly THIS passage out of context ALL the time.. sigh…

  • Michael

    Also, JUST war with killing is permitted in the Divine law. But if it is a unjust war then I am required to not pay that taxation even to my own hurt and imprisonment…

  • Pamela Zuppo

    First false flag: contraception is not abortion and that scientific fact should prevail. Second, contraception statistically reduces the engagement of abortions. Since 1960, advanced nations have increased their use of contraceptives, as family planning has become an important element of quality of life for families and individuals. Hobby Lobby principals and others who are anxious to control the lives of others should not attempt to do so behind the veil of an employer because that is insanity. Employers do not own their employees in the 21st century.

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • Michael

    Some Contraception (Day after pill) are abortive and others can cause abortion. But that is beside the point. Christian doctrine and I don’t mean Catholics (thought they are included in this). I mean Protestants as as well as the Early Church have always consider contraception and the prevention of life forbidden and the sin of Onan of Genesis 38. This is not just ONE segment of the church but the Universal View of the Church for 2000 years. I can provide pages upon pages of quotes to back that up. That is not including the Jewish understanding that goes back further then 2000 years.. And it does not matter if it is the 21st Century or the 68th century. Doctrine does not change regardless of what the world things of it or us.

    To take life by abortion is forbidden
    To prevent life before it is even conceived is worst then Murder as Martin Luther and John Calvin rightly taught…

    Both are forbidden…

  • cipher

    This site, being affiliated with PBS, used to be a haven for religious liberals. Tragically, it has been invaded in recent years by morons and psychopaths – and the editorial staff has done absolutely nothing to curb this.

  • Michael

    And Apparently you are so tolerate of everyone but those who do not agree with you.. I see…… So much for the First Amendment… Speech must be curb at all cost… No wonder America is in the boat she is in now….

  • cipher

    You’re partially correct. I have no interest in protecting the free speech of psychopaths such as yourself.

  • Michael

    Well I also do not have any interest in protecting the free speech of insane, psychopaths and blasphemers as yourself.. It is nothing but a pretended liberty of conscience.