Faith Groups and Immigration


BOB ABERNETHY, host: Religious groups held rallies and a 48-hour prayer vigil in front the Supreme Court this week as the justices heard oral arguments over Arizona’s controversial immigration law. At issue in the case is whether the state law infringes on the federal government’s authority to establish and enforce immigration policy. But several faith groups argue the law violates the dignity of immigrants and could result in racial profiling.

For more on this I am joined by Kim Lawton, managing editor of this program, and Patricia Zapor, a staff writer with Catholic News Service who’s been covering the faith community and immigration. Pat, it’s nice to have you back here again.

PATRICIA ZAPOR (Staff Writer, Catholic News Service): Thank you, it’s good to be back.

ABERNETHY: The Catholic bishops and many other religious leaders want a whole new kind of approach to immigration. What specifically, what exactly do they want?

Patricia Zapor, Catholic News ServiceZAPOR: Well, that could take the whole program to explain. They want a comprehensive approach, something that gives people who are already here illegally the chance to legalize their status so that they can pull their families together, reunite torn-apart families, work legally, be able to go home to their home countries and visit their families there. They want a path for jobs. There’s a whole assortment of things.

ABERNETHY: Any likelihood that they might get those things any time soon?

ZAPOR: I think that’s probably very unlikely in an election year, although it might make for some good political demanding during this season.

KIM LAWTON (Managing Editor, Religion & Ethics Newsweekly): One of the arguments this particular week, as the case was at the court, from the religious community was that some of the local laws could hinder their ministry. What were they talking about?

ZAPOR: Well, this came up most conspicuously in 2006 in a version of legislation that passed the House included a provision that would make it illegal for anybody to help people who are in the country illegally. Cardinal Mahony of Los Angeles, then the archbishop, at that time told his priests that if this bill passes I am not going to expect you to follow through with that, to follow that law. It’s seen as an imposition on the rights of people of faith to take care of others.

ABERNETHY: People talk about the rights of other people, too, and what do the religious leaders say to those who say look, we’ve got laws, and laws need to be enforced and obeyed?

ZAPOR: Well, I think the religious leaders agree that states, government have a right to enforce their borders, but their arguments against the current immigration situation relate to the civil rights era, when Dr. Martin Luther King and bishops and priests and rabbis were at the forefront of arguments that the laws requiring segregation were inhumane, and they were unjust laws, that they had a right and an obligation to fight against those laws.

LAWTON: What are some of the theological and moral arguments that these religious leaders, really across a pretty broad spectrum, are making on this?

ZAPOR: Well, and they go back to the Old Testament and into the New Testament to calls to take care of the stranger, to take care of those people who have no rights in a society. They are throughout scriptures. That’s one of the main things that they go to.

ABERNETHY: There was some new data that came out this past week about the number of immigrants from Mexico going down for the first time in a long time. Does that change things at all?

ZAPOR: Not really, because there are a lot of people who are in the country illegally, to begin with, and that hasn’t particularly—doesn’t reflect a slowing of migration from Central America, from South America. Just because the situation in Mexico is changing doesn’t really change the whole picture all that much.

ABERNETHY: Situation changing? What? Better job opportunities?

ZAPOR: In Mexico, yes. Mexico’s economy has improved, there’s a lower birthrate, an assortment of factors involved in that.

ABERNETHY: Pat Zapor of Catholic News Service, many thanks.

ZAPOR: Thank you.

  • Kathleene Parker

    I wish faith groups would stop embracing only the Big Business,corporate flooded-labor viewpoint defined for them by, well, corporate media. I watched this piece. Really! How one-sided! How clueless!

    Why do they (and Religion and Ethics) ignore that until the 1990s, labor and liberals stood steadfastly on the side of strict border enforcement and LOW immigration, including legal immigration, although illegal immigration was not previously such a hot-button issue.

    Why do they ignore the position of people like Cesar Chavez who felt so strongly that he offered his United Farm Workers to patrol the southern border because he knew that government, ever in the pocket of Big Ag, would not? (Read his testimony before Congress!)

    Why do they ignore the tradition of labor, including early labor organizer Samuel Gomper’s on the side of low immigration? Why do they ignore that F.D.R. and other Democrats (and, yes, Republicans embracing COMMON SENSE) during the Great Depression immediately moved to slash already-low immigration to below 20,000 a year?

    And who do they think is hurt most by today’s immigration, legal and illegal hovering around 1.2 MILLION a year (five times historical norms as 14 million stand unemployed), the highest rate by a huge margin in our nation’s history? Why do they ignore, for example, that the meatpacking industry used illegal border crossers to break the unions at packing plants that, until the 1990s, employed mostly black workers at a LIVING WAGE? Why do they ignore that in poor border states, like my own New Mexico, it is mostly poor Hispanics and Native Americans hurt by an already flooded labor market being further flooded by illegal border crossers willing to take any work and any wage? Perhaps because they embrace a politically “in”correct liberal agenda based on the fact that it is not their ox being gored and one that corporate media has led them to believe is the only one that isn’t “racist”? Absurd! I suggest that religion and liberals–among whom I count myself–need to stop letting Big Business define their values and instead research liberal history, labor history and OUR tradition on the side of tight border enforcement. I suggest they CONSIDER what high immigration is doing to the poor and minorities and perhaps then they’ll learn why most Hispanics, for example, favor tight border enforcement–despite depictions by corporate media (and PBS) to the contrary.

  • Rita Cid

    Immigration is illegal however, out of economical desperation people from other countries migrate legally or illegally to the Unites States. However, it is unethical for the U.S. Government to arrest U.S. Citizens for being a good Samaritan. In the Bible Jesus tells us to feed the hungry, clothes the naked, visit the prisoners, etc. It would be inhumane and sinful for the people of God to ignor a cry for help, a cry for food, or a cry for shelter. The U.S Government has to come up with a different approch regarding immigration.