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PERSPECTIVES:
Mother Teresa and the Poor
September 12, 1997    Episode no. 102
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BOB ABERNETHY: We want to explore some of the major religious teachings about the poor with Dr. Uma Mysorekar of New York, who's president of the Hindu Temple Society of New York; Rabbi David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of Reformed Judiaism in Washington; and Professor Robert George of Princeton University, a Catholic and a constitutional lawyer who knew Mother Teresa.

Professor George, Christianity teaches exactly what Mother Teresa did: direct, hands-on, personal ministry to the poor. But there's also a strong religious tradition of social justice, of trying to get at the causes of poverty. Did Mother Teresa have her priorities right?

Photo of ROBERT GEORGE Professor ROBERT GEORGE (Princeton University): I think she had them exactly right, Bob. Unlike many Christians and other believers today, Mother did not treat the question as one of either/or -- either we will involve ourselves in direct political and direct personal action, help the poor, or treat the matter as simply a political problem that would require a political solution. She saw it at both ends, so in all her work -- her pro-life work, her work with AIDS victims, her work with the poor -- she always stressed both the need for structural reform of institutions that create injustice and the need for personal, hands-on delivery of help to people in need.

ABERNETHY: Dr. Mysorekar, briefly, what is the essence of the Hindu teaching about the poor and our responsibility to the poor?

Dr. UMA MYSOREKAR (Hindu Temple Society, New York): The fundamental basis of the Hindu religion evolves around the Vedas and the Upanisads. One of the concepts of the Upanisads teaches us that welfare of mankind, service to humanity and community is the fundamental basis. And Mother Teresa is, stood as a solid example in the last 50 years that she contributed to the poverty of Calcutta. In this connection, the Swami Vivekananda, who was the first one to enter the western part of the world, said, "They alone live, that live for the welfare of others."

ABERNETHY: Let me ask you this: India has a caste system. Could an upper-caste Hindu do the kind of direct touching of the untouchable that Mother Teresa did?

Photo of UMA MYSOREKAR Dr. MYSOREKAR: Yes, indeed. I think it's a total misconception that this caste system prevents the so-called upper caste to touch the so-called lower caste. This was purely done on the basis of convenience, doesn't exist anymore, and anyone can touch anybody. All of us are God's children.

ABERNETHY: Rabbi Saperstein, in the tape that we heard, there was a mention of the word "sedakha." What does that mean?

Rabbi DAVID SAPERSTEIN (Religion Action Center): Well it's often translated as "charity," but it means "righteousness" and implies justice. It's really a misconcept that "the earth is ... and the fullness thereof." What we own, we own as a trust relationship with God, and there are terms to that trust that require us to share God's wealth with those of God's children who are less fortunate. So sedakha functioned as a taxation system, and it requires both individuals and societies to take care of the poor and to help prevent the conditions of poverty.

ABERNETHY: For all. I mean, it is addressing poverty for all.

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Rabbi SAPERSTEIN: For all. For the Jews who live in communities where Jewish law applies, and for the non-Jews as well. "May dokha shalom," the Talmud says, "for the sake of the ways of peace between us."

ABERNETHY: The Bible says the poor will always be with us. I think some of us might be justified to think of that idea with some anger. Modern science, technology, other things, can we really -- should we really accept the idea that the poor are always going to be with us?

Prof. GEORGE: Mother Teresa had a teaching for us on this as well. While she lived and worked in some of the most abject situations of poverty in the world, she did imagine that it might be possible, through the development of technological means and economic efficiencies, to bring to the Third World, the developing world, the affluence of the First World. But at the same time, she never treated material poverty as the only form of poverty. She recognized that a deeper or worse form of poverty could affect even affluent communities -- moral poverty, spiritual poverty -- and that would be with us always. And the human condition we're in, there will always be moral and spiritual poverty, which will require people like Mother Teresa and really each of us to minister to each other, to bring healing and spiritual and moral well-being to one another.

Photo of discussion ABERNETHY: Do you think poverty can be eliminated?

Dr. MYSOREKAR: Yes, I think poverty, materialistic poverty, yes, can be eliminated.

ABERNETHY: But not the spiritual poverty.

Dr. MYSOREKAR: That's correct.

Rabbi SAPERSTEIN: Well, Judaism thinks there will be poverty but believes in the perfectibility of society and thinks that we have the ability to ameliorate the problem. That's our highest form of Jewish charity, is helping someone to take care of themselves. We live in a unique moment in human history. We have the wealth and technology now where we can feed every child of God on earth. We continue to wipe out diseases that have plagued human beings throughout history. We can educate every child. It's a question of political will. We may not be able to eliminate poverty everywhere, but we can almost do it everywhere; and if we fail, it is now our responsibility.

ABERNETHY: How about this distinction, though, between the material poverty and the spiritual poverty. Is the spiritual poverty always going to be with us?

Photo of DAVID SAPERSTEIN Rabbi SAPERSTEIN: Judaism believes that the Messianic times will be brought about through the work of our hands, that we can help bring that final age of peace and redemption, and the coming of the Messiah would signify we have achieved it. So the answer is we are capable of lifting all human beings out of that condition of poverty.

ABERNETHY: To all of you, many thanks.

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