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PERSPECTIVES:
Selective Abortion
November 7, 1997    Episode no. 110
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BOB ABERNETHY: Now, Perspectives. Today, the moral dilemma of what's called selective reduction. That's the medical procedure of eliminating some fetuses in a multiple pregnancy in order to give the others a better chance to survive. Selective reduction is an increasingly real choice of some pregnant women as fertility drugs, [which] can cause multiple births, become more widely used. When the McCoy family of Carlisle, Iowa, near Des Moines, had difficulty conceiving, Mrs. McCoy took a fertility drug. Now she's expecting septuplets, four boys and three girls. The couple's doctor spoke at a press conference last week.

Unidentified Man: We want to make sure that they're breathing and their circulation are stabilized.

ABERNETHY: Since October 15, Bobbi McCoy, now in her 29th week, has been confined to bed at Iowa Methodist Medical Center. There is no known record of surviving septuplets. Earlier in the pregnancy, doctors advised the McCoys to selectively reduce some of the fetuses. The couple, active in the Missionary Baptist Church, rejected the doctors' advice. Kenny McCoy said, "God gave us those kids. He wants us to raise them."

Well, what are the issues here? Is it ever moral to take some life in order to save others? Reverend Katherine Hancock Ragsdale is an Episcopal priest and the president of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice. Dr. George Isajiw is a family practitioner in Upper Darby, Pennsylvania, and a past president of the Catholic Medical Association. Dr. Carl Weiner is a professor at the University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore, where he is also director at the Center for Advanced Fetal Care.

Dr. Weiner, you do advise selective reduction in some cases with your patients. What's the case for it? Why do you do that?

Dr. CARL P. WEINER (Director, Center for Advanced Fetal Care): Well, the woman who has a high[-risk] or multiple pregnancy is faced with a terrible dilemma. A greatly wanted pregnancy, and yet, there's a reality. The reality is the larger the number of fetuses, the greater the likelihood of a poor outcome for the pregnancy and having no children to bring home, the greater the likelihood of difficulties after delivery in raising those children. A terrible problem.

ABERNETHY: And you know those odds pretty well, and you can lay them out for a patient?

Dr. WEINER: It's unfortunately something we have to do regularly. One baby is going to deliver around 40 weeks, two at 36; by the time you get up to five, you're talking 22 weeks with viability beginning somewhere around 24 weeks. And that's just the average.

ABERNETHY: Dr. Isajiw, in a case like this, why not do what Dr. Weiner suggests?

Dr. GEORGE ISAJIW (Catholic Medical Association): Well, first of all, I'd like to congratulate Mrs. McCoy for her rejecting the doctors' advice in this particular case, I don't often advise that. But as we can see, she's in the 29th week, and the chances are, I believe, pretty good for the survival of these children, and certainly they're beyond the point of viability. But the issue here is that human life, each individual personal life, begins at fertilization, at the moment of fertilization, and we, as human persons who have a body and soul and a mortal life and a mortal soul, have a right not to be killed by anyone, and this is the issue, "Thou shalt not kill."

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ABERNETHY: What are the issues as you see them? What are the principles in conflict?

Reverend KATHERINE RAGSDALE (Religion Coalition for Reproductive Choice): Well, this is an interesting case, because both doctors basically have many of the same values. They value the life, the potential for the family; they want happy, healthy families and happy, healthy children. The question is, how do you best facilitate that, and that's where they disagree. I think the overriding principle here is the imperative of making informed moral decisions and not abdicating that responsibility by saying, "Well, there's a rule that applies here," or "We're going to leave it in God's hands." We have a responsibility to be actively engaged in making those moral decisions.

ABERNETHY: Wouldn't you agree, as a doctor, that if you do take some of those fetuses somewhere along the way, that the -- that the end result would be more human life than if you didn't?

Dr. ISAJIW: Well, the end result is the same human life. Human -- these individuals exist as persons, alive or dead, so all you would be doing is making an active, conscious decision to kill some in order to increase the chances of the others being healthier, and while that may in fact increase their chances of being healthier, I believe we don't have the right to do that. Just as if you're in a lifeboat, and you're sinking, you can't throw some people out to save others. It's just not right.

ABERNETHY: What's been your personal experience in this? You've talked to women.

Dr. WEINER: Well, unfortunately, I've had the experience in delivering septuplets, and they were at 21 weeks, and they all died, and I'm sure that family grieve greatly for those children. Their grief might be helped a little if some of them had gotten far enough along to survive.

ABERNETHY: Is there a question here that should be addressed, that you perhaps do address in your counseling of patients, that is the guilt of a mother would feel if she ...

Dr. WEINER: Most assuredly, and we do talk about the grieving process that they will go through, but it's actually been in the area of study And if you look at women who have reduced from triplets to twins, they do grieve and they do have guilt feelings, certainly within the first year after reduction. But so do women who don't reduce, because the stress of having three children is associated with a fairly high incidence of depression, and that depression doesn't go away over the next four years when they've studied it. But the guilt does resolve over time as their children grow.

ABERNETHY: Do you see technology developing to a point where these multiple pregnancies from fertility drugs will not happen?

Dr. WEINER: Well, clearly that is the goal. To prevent the problems of selective reduction is not even an issue. These are very potent drugs, their effects on people vary greatly, but we do have tools to try to estimate how many eggs are going to be released. And the bottom line is, if you have someone who is morally opposed to selective reduction, then it's the responsibility of us as physicians to minimize that risk any way that we can.

ABERNETHY: Many thanks to all of you.

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