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U.S. Action in Afghanistan: A Just War?
November 2, 2001    Episode no. 509
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BOB ABERNETHY (anchor): Four weeks since the U.S. bombing of Afghanistan began, and as that bombing has been stepped up in recent days, how is the war going? Specifically, in ethical terms, does what is happening meet the requirements of a just war?

Reverend John Langan is a professor of Catholic social thought at the Kennedy Institute of Ethics at Georgetown University.

Father, welcome. I wonder if we can mark up a kind of report card on the ethics of the war so far. Has it been just?

Langan and host.FATHER JOHN LANGAN: Well, the two things that analysts look to in determining the justice of a war while it's being fought are [first,] the issue of civilian casualties, and there I think we've been doing reasonably well. Obviously not perfectly. Civilians have been killed. Mistakes have been made on targets. But there's been a serious effort to respect that norm. The second is the question of whether we're making real progress toward morally important goals.

ABERNETHY: And how do you come out on that?

FATHER LANGAN: I think that's still taking shape.

ABERNETHY: The goals are moral, though, for you?

FATHER LANGAN: Yeah, I think the whole task of trying to stop this kind of terrorism -- of restoring a sense of order and confidence in our society and the world at large -- that's morally quite important.

ABERNETHY: And it is important that the good likely to be done outweighs the harm that is being done, and how do you rate us on that?

Father LanganFATHER LANGAN: Yes, that's what's commonly called the principle of proportionality. And I think we're doing reasonably well. But that's -- you can't really judge those things until you're near the end.

ABERNETHY: What about the humanitarian consequences of the military action? Five big relief agencies urged this week that the aid effort be separated from the military effort and that everyone create conditions so aid can get through to the people who need it. Is that practical?

FATHER LANGAN: I'm not sure. I don't really know enough. I think it's very desirable. I think we have a large number of lives at risk in Afghanistan with the possibility of famine and we should be doing all we can to protect these people. How you combine that with military operations? That's very tricky.

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ABERNETHY: But maybe take the administration of it out of the U.S.'s hands and into someone else's?

FATHER LANGAN: I think that would be good because ...

ABERNETHY: The aid, I'm talking about.

FATHER LANGAN: ... we're crossing cultural lines here. It's very important that the people on the other side understand that certain kinds of dealings with foreigners will provide relief, and they should -- they can express trust in those relationships. Other kinds will have to be very cautious because these people are fighting.

ABERNETHY: You teach Christian ethics and international politics at Georgetown. What do you worry about [in] what is happening? What should we be watching carefully?

FATHER LANGAN: Well, one of the things I worry about most is mission creep, which we originally applied in Somalia, but could very well happen here because our concern both for eliminating the Taliban and Osama bin Laden and for protecting the Afghan people means that we can wind up -- without intending it -- in effect, controlling Afghanistan, and trying to reshape that society.

ABERNETHY: And why would that be a bad idea?

FATHER LANGAN: It would exceed our appropriate powers and it almost certainly exceeds our abilities. There are real parallels, I think, here to Vietnam.

ABERNETHY: Ramadan begins in a couple of weeks, the Muslim holy month. Should there be a pause in the military action for that?

FATHER LANGAN: I don't think so. This is not a requirement of Muslim theology and it's very difficult to sustain military momentum and to hold a coalition together if one gets into these sorts of pauses.

ABERNETHY: And again, Father, if you were giving a grade on whether the operations in Afghanistan had met just war criteria so far, what would you say?

FATHER LANGAN: I'd be inclined to say "B" with a question mark because I'm not sure about the real progress to the ends.

ABERNETHY: Many thanks, Father John Langan of Georgetown University in Washington, D.C.

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