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COVER STORY:
Religion and the Brain
November 9, 2001 Episode no. 510
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BOB ABERNETHY: Here's a question: when a person has a religious experience, what happens within the brain? What kind of changes take place?
Science has been looking into this. In one experiment, for example, brain scans examine the parts of the brain that are activated during prayer. In another, mystical and religious experiences are simulated by using bursts of electrical impulses. As you might expect, these experiments have created no small amount of controversy. Lucky Severson reports:
DR. MICHAEL PERSINGER: I think one of the most exciting
challenges in science is to find the basis, the empirical
basis, of why people experience the "God phenomenon." Not
belief in God -- that is a different process. But the experience
of the "God phenomenon." That of course is tied to the brain
itself.
SEVERSON: Dr. Persinger is a neuroscientist who has
been conducting experiments with a helmet that pulses tiny
bursts of electrical activity into the brain. Persinger
says the pulses can simulate mystical or spiritual experiences.

And at the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Andrew Newberg
can show, through a brain scan, the parts of the brain that
are activated during meditation, and also during prayer.
(to Dr. Newberg): What's the significance of all
this? What does it mean?
DR. ANDREW NEWBERG: Well, what it means is that when
people actually do these kinds of spiritual practices, when
people do prayer or meditation, that there are real changes
that are going on in their brain.
SEVERSON: The concern of some religious believers
is that this new research might imply that God is a concept
created in our brains rather than a transcendent being who
exists quite independent of us.
MS. GRACIA THOMPSON: I feel it would be against God
to try to alter or change anyone's belief of Him.
MR.
RAMIRO GARCIA: I cannot conceive of living without the
presence of someone greater than ourselves to lean on.
SEVERSON: Dr. Persinger says his experiments can
actually induce the sense among his subjects that there
is a presence in the room with them.
DR. PERSINGER: The types of experiences in our laboratory
when magnetic fields are applied to the brain are considered
spiritual because the person feels at one with the universe.
Very often it is very personal. There may be a sensation
of quiescence, a kind of eternal peace, but they know that
somehow their sense of self has been changed forever.
PROFESSOR JOHN HAUGHT: This is something that is
not entirely new. A lot of people have testified, for example,
that under the influence of LSD or cocaine or other stimuli
to the chemistry of the brain, that certain ideas happen
that didn't happen before.
SEVERSON: John Haught is a professor, not of science
but of religion, at Georgetown University. He argues that
religion encompasses much more than biology -- that it means
charity and faith and doing good works.
PROF.
HAUGHT: I would say that in this recent flurry of news
about the brain and religion, what is often left out is
that religion means much more than a state of mind or [an]
ecstatic or mystical mood. It's a commitment over a lifetime
to what a person considers to be good.
SEVERSON: Among the scientists in the field, Dr.
Persinger is controversial because he has stated in the
past his view that God is a creation of the brain.
DR. PERSINGER: There are Christians and individuals
of other faiths who have come to me, very often hostile
at first, pointing out that I am threatening their belief,
accusing me of being an atheist and often worse terms. I
am not trying to remove God as a phenomenon. I am trying
to understand the areas of the brain and the magnetic patterns
-- the electromagnetic patterns -- within the brain that
produce the experience.
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SEVERSON: Dr. Newberg argues his experiments with
meditators and those who pray doesn't disprove God.
DR. NEWBERG: When I take a brain image of a nun who
has the experience of being in the presence of God, what
I can tell you is that this is what is going on in their
brain when they have that experience. What I can't tell
you, just based on imaging studies alone, is whether or
not they've actually been able to do that, they've actually
been in the presence of God. But I think it raises some
very interesting issues and questions for us, as scientists
and also as philosophers, to be able to explore where the
true reality lies.
SEVERSON: Dr. Michael Baimes is one of Newberg's
subjects -- an expert on meditation and stress management.
DR. MICHAEL BAIMES: It's pretty darn interesting
to see that when people do this ancient meditation practice,
a predictable change in brain function happens.
SEVERSON: Here's how it works. After the subject
has meditated, Dr. Newberg injects them with radioactive
dye and he takes pictures of their brain. As they get deeper
into their meditative state, the colors depicting brain
activity change.
DR. NEWBERG: But when the person went into the meditation,
what we see is a dramatic decrease over here in this particular
orientation area, and this is that particular part that
helps us differentiate the self from objects in the world.
SEVERSON: When we meditate and pray, for instance,
the part of the brain that helps us orient ourselves and
create a sense of self shows less activity, less red --
the brain quiets down.
DR.
NEWBERG: What they are perceiving is a sense of being
at one with something else, in this case, the idea of being
within the presence of God, or finding some way of becoming
joined or in union with a sense of God.
SEVERSON: Newberg believes the brain is engineered
to allow spiritual experiences. And Professor Persinger
in Canada believes that the brain over generations has evolved
to what it is today to allow spiritual experiences.
DR. PERSINGER: People are afraid to die. The sense
of diminishing, that tremendous terror of losing a sense
of self is incapacitating. So I think somewhere in the development
of the brain there was a kind of cognitive process that
allows people to have minimal anxiety if they just felt
that the self, part of brain activity, was tied to a concept
that was infinite and lasted forever. If something is infinite
and lasts forever, there is no anxiety. And I think that
spirituality that comes out of that process has allowed
the human being as a group -- as a species -- to survive.
SEVERSON: So is it possible that one day science
will be able to prove or disprove God with a certainty?
A goal of science perhaps, but for many of the faithful,
a waste of time.
PROF. HAUGHT: The conflict is not between science
and religion or science and theology, but it's between two
belief systems: the belief system that matter is all there
is and the belief system that there is something in addition
to matter.
DR.
NEWBERG: If there is a God, it certainly makes sense
that the brain is set up this way, because it would be silly
for us to have some fundamental disconnect with the God
that created the brain.
SEVERSON: Like other neuroscientists delving into
religion, Professor Persinger has taken some heat for his
work. He may be more careful now about what he says, but
what he says is that science is not threatening religion.
DR. PERSINGER: The fact that we can now understand
the brain basis to faith simply tells us that we can understand
it more effectively. It doesn't make it go away any more
than when you look at the brain and you are seeing a sunset,
and it is beautiful. It doesn't take the beauty away, it
just allows you to understand more of it.
SEVERSON: So the science continues, and the debate.
And the question: "Will the science challenge the faith
of the believers or will it simply add to it?"
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Related Links:
National Catholic Reporter: "Exploring the biology of religious experience"
Park Ridge Center for the Study of Health, Faith, and Ethics: The Park Ridge Center Bulletin: "Religion and the Brain"
The January/February issue of the bulletin contains articles about religious experience, neuroscience, and more.
Counterbalance: Neuroscience & the Soul: Topic Index
The Counterbalance Foundation, based in Seattle, is "a non-profit organization working to promote interdisciplinary education for a general audience" on issues such as science and religion.
Georgetown University: Woodstock Theological Center: "Neuroscience and the Soul"
WIRED: "This Is Your Brain on God"
Profile of the research of Canadian neuropsychologist Michael Persinger on the physical sources of spiritual consciousness.
National Public Radio: FRESH AIR
Listen to audio of Terry Gross's June 20, 2001 interview with Dr. Andrew Newberg and his colleague, Dr. Michael Baime, about their research on the brain, prayer, and meditation.
Salon.com: "Hard-wired for God?"
Pfizer: "Brain: The World Inside Your Head"
A nationally touring exhibition.
Harvard University: Mind Brain Behavior Interfaculty Initiative
Columbia University: Center for the Study of Science and Religion
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Related Books:
WHERE GOD LIVES IN THE HUMAN BRAIN
by Carol Rausch Albright et al.
THE GOD PART OF THE BRAIN: A SCIENTIFIC INTERPRETATION OF HUMAN SPIRITUALITY AND GOD
by Matthew Alper
THE HUMANIZING BRAIN: WHERE RELIGION AND NEUROSCIENCE MEET
by James B. Ashbrook et al.
ZEN AND THE BRAIN
by James H. Austin
THE VARIETIES OF RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE
by William James
THE SCIENTIFIC ENTERPRISE AND CHRISTIAN FAITH
by Malcolm Jeeves
THE TRANSMITTER TO GOD
by Rhawn Joseph
THE MYSTICAL MIND: PROBING THE BIOLOGY OF RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE
by Andrew Newberg and Eugene d'Aquili
WHY GOD WON'T GO AWAY: BRAIN SCIENCE AND THE BIOLOGY OF BELIEF
by Andrew Newberg, Eugene d'Aquili, and Vince Rouse
LYING AWAKE
by Mark Salzman
RELIGION IN MIND: COGNITIVE PERSPECTIVES ON RELIGIOUS BELIEF, RITUAL, AND EXPERIENCE
edited by Jensine Andresen
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