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INTERVIEW:
Rupa Cousins
November 8, 2002    Episode no. 610
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Read more of R & E's interview with Rupa Cousins about the Sufi dance of the whirling dervishes:

In the [Sufi] lineage I trained in, the Mevlevi order, there are students of Mevlana Jalaleddin Rumi. The dance of the whirling dervishes symbolizes union with God. The right hand in this dance reaches up to God, to the divine. The left hand reaches out to give. The right hand receives energy. The left hand gives energy, and so we're giving a blessing to the world as we turn.

Photo of Sufi image In the whirling dance, the one who turns reaches to God -- it's as if we're asking God to turn us. We're receiving with the right hand, giving with the left hand, and bringing a blessing to ourselves and to the world. We're like receivers and givers.

But we try to disappear when we do this dance. It's not about our personality. We try to empty ourselves. And while we're doing the dance, we're meditating on the name "Allah," or the name "God," just to bring that oneness in, so that we're really wanting to be, in a way, a channel.

Is it a trance state? It's beyond a trance state. We are hyper-alert. We need to know where we are on the earth, especially when we dance in a circle with other people. We need to be very alert to where we are. At the same time, we need to be alert to the gift that we're being given by doing this dance. It's an awakened state, and it looks like a trance state. In a way, it is an altered state. You move into this amazing place of oneness when you're really connecting with that energy, but it's not a trance, because you have to be very awake for it.

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The pace depends on the music and the part in the celebration that is happening. Sometimes it might be a slower pace, sometimes faster. What's significant is that we turn to the left, with our weight on the left foot. This creates an axis that goes through the body, through the heart and into the earth. You could think of this whole thing as one line of energy going from the divine into the earth.

I would say [the dance is] a prayer of thanksgiving. The turn is a prayer. It is a moving prayer and a moving meditation. You are absolutely in a one-pointed focus, and it is a prayerful state. It is a way of coming into unity with God, coming into that oneness, a feeling of, "I am not anymore. I am with God." That's the idea -- to dissolve into the energy of God, into the energy of prayer.

There are other Sufis who may do a turn, but the type of turn that I've been trained in is from the order of Rumi, the Mevlevi order. That was because Rumi would turn in the ecstasy of saying his poems. And so his students turned, and then they created a celebration called a "sema," a celebration of Rumi's actual death and life -- his rebirth into life. It becomes a very formal, traditional celebration, and a magnificent one.

When we dance, we directly honor Rumi. Usually, there is a representative of Rumi in the form and presence of a sheikh, a spiritual teacher from the Sufi lineage, who will sit in remembrance of Rumi as we dance. We will bow to this sheikh before we begin the whirling dance, and in that way bring in Rumi in a very direct, heartfelt way.

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