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INTERVIEW:
Rev. Richard Cizik
February 7, 2003    Episode no. 623
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Read more of Kim Lawton's interview with the Rev. Richard Cizik, vice-president of the National Association of Evangelicals:

On religious rhetoric and the president:
The American public knowingly elected a born-again president, whom we call an evangelical (he may not call himself an evangelical Christian). But the public knowingly elected this man, and so we expect it and frankly, we respect it and approve of it.

[G.K. Chesterton] talked about America as having the soul of a church. We are a religious people. In this president, like President Reagan confronting a tragedy, we have in the case of both the Challenger and now the Columbia, the need to heal the nation. And that's what [the president] is playing, a priestly role, not just a pastor. Presidents who play the role of head of state as well as head of a political party have that function. Our presidents have always played this role. For example, Lincoln played the role of prophet; Franklin Roosevelt [played the role of pastor] saying, "We have nothing to fear but fear itself." And this president, who confronted a tragedy like Reagan, was saying in essence, "This is God's creation and they have gone to be with God." He states this as fact. That's what is so surprising, and I think it is what confronts secularists and what they don't like.

Our people are a religious people, and our president has not transgressed the boundaries of what is appropriate in the public arena. He's done just what is right, attempting to heal the nation's wounds. Presidents have always done that in times of national tragedy.

This kind of [religious and biblical] language by the president is important for its healing affect. It unites the country. In this case, the astronauts' families themselves were religious people. This is religious language for a religious people, and Americans are comfortable with it.

It's comforting. But it's not just comforting to evangelical Christians; it's comforting to all Americans because we all have that God-shaped vacuum inside of us that needs to be filled and can only be filled in a personal relationship with God. [That] is what we evangelicals believe, but there's also a transcendental need that exists in our society to hearken to higher values and ideals and visions, and Bush gives energy to that higher vision, and that's good.

On evangelicals, religious diversity, and public religious language in America:
We evangelicals have to believe that religious freedom is for all, not just for us. In recent years, Muslims have entered the iconography of public life, for example, in White House snapshots, in photos with the president. This is all part of the American religious experience, and we respect that.

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We have to remember as evangelicals that religious freedom is a two-way street. It's good for us; it has to be good for others. And that's what America is all about: religious freedom for all. They're part of the American religious scene and for those who aren't yet comfortable with it, I'd say, get comfortable.

We believe in the universal God of the Bible, not a kind of nativist God of America. You can go overboard in assigning to American destiny a certain "God imprimatur." But that's not what this president has done. He has not gone overboard in assigning to American destiny God's favor. So I'm comfortable with what he's done.

On the president's theology:
By using the very word "evil" for a person (in this case, Saddam Hussein), the president is challenging fundamental liberalism, fundamental secularism, which say evil is a result of the failure of social institutions or the result of human ignorance. No, this president is saying evil comes, indeed, at times from the depravity of the human heart -- original sin. This is the president's theology. He brings it to these issues. I think it's entirely appropriate. But it just strikes fear in the hearts of secularists who want to reduce these problems internationally to something other than the failure of the human heart. And that's challenging to them.

It becomes a problem if the president's personal life is not like his public life. If there is a disparity between the two, then the use of public religion can be used cynically. That's what people were responding to in the case of President Clinton; they believed he was cynically using it to hide what was a problem personally. In the case of President Bush, the public man and the private man are clearly one and the same, so you don't have that problem.

George W. Bush is no different than previous presidents. [He] has played the role of a priest attempting to help heal the nation's wound. And that's entirely appropriate. Americans want their president to succeed in providing comfort to a nation when it's hurting. It's true -- they do.

Secularists have to get comfortable with the idea of a president who articulates religious faith, not just personally but publicly. Secularists don't like it, and to them I would say, get over it.

Is this kind of language uniting or dividing? Oh, it's uniting. The president isn't using his words for partisanship that would divide a congregation. Absolutely not. He's using it for the common good, for the benefit of everyone.

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