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PROFILE:
Episcopal Military Bishop George Packard
February 14, 2003    Episode no. 624
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BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: With more and more American military men and women assembled to attack Iraq, if necessary, a story today of another war and one of its survivors.

He is the Episcopal Church's chief chaplain, Bishop George Packard, once a much decorated second lieutenant in Vietnam. Like so many combat veterans, the bishop remembers turning off his feelings in order to do his job. He called it being in a "bubble." But he told correspondent Phil Jones the feelings he stifled have never gone away.

PHIL JONES: George Packard is an Episcopal bishop today. But it's his service to his country three decades ago that continues to haunt him.

Rt. Reverend GEORGE PACKARD (Bishop, Episcopal Church, Armed Services): I believe in noble service, standing up for what is right. And I went to Vietnam sort of under that flag, thinking those things.

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Rev. Packard in Vietnam JONES (to Rev. Packard): These photographs were taken at a time that you say you were considered the golden boy for your accomplishments?

Rev. PACKARD: I had a high body count. Ambush was what we did at night -- what we call search and destroy.

JONES: Packard still remembers the horror of his very first ambush.

Rev. PACKARD: It was hell. It was just hell. I mean, it was -- the claymore created something like a football field, and arms, legs, just -- chaos. And that moment I thought to myself, "We survived!" and lots of glory came out of the fact that we had a big ambush, big body count.

JONES: By Packard's own account, his platoon may have killed nearly 500 enemy soldiers during his tour in Vietnam.

Rev. PACKARD: The first time, I was thinking that I should have some reaction, and I said a prayer. I could have been reading a laundry list. It was just -- it had no effect. You know, you surround yourself in this sort of bubble and so it just became sort of, after that, a task to be done, work to be done.

(to Jones): This is a good picture here. This is Dave Avasco. He's a mailman in Nebraska now.

JONES: David Evasco was Packard's platoon sergeant. Although Packard doesn't recall being especially religious in Vietnam, Evasco has a different memory. He says Packard would go off by himself to read a small book.

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Dave Evasco DAVID EVASCO (Former Platoon Sergeant, U.S. Army): The sunshine was shining on him and on that book, and it was the Bible, and that's when we knew there was a lot more to that man than a soldier.

JONES: Killing the enemy was never the end of it.

Rev. PACKARD: You want to go through their pockets for money and war trophies and see what you could get the next morning -- it was like Christmas morning. And it, it started to put me on edge, because we would take pictures and personal effects from those folks. And I would make some excuse and burn them. It felt to me that somehow we had taken something, this token of who these guys were.

JONES: Packard admits that at the time he liked what he was doing. He received a silver star and two bronze stars for valor. It was only when he returned home that he began to reflect.

Rev. PACKARD: I walk with a stick because it is a symbol of how I minister to God's flock.

JONES: After the war, Packard went to seminary. He was in parish ministry for more than 20 years. Three years ago he became the Episcopal Church's Bishop to the Armed Services.

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Bishop PAckard (to Packard): Would you be a bishop today were it not for being a second lieutenant in Vietnam?

Rev. PACKARD: Probably not. I think that was a part of the reason I was chosen.

JONES: Packard has been a chaplain in the Army Reserves for more than 20 years. During the 1991 Gulf War, he was called to active duty and assigned to the Pentagon. Bishop Packard bristles at any suggestion that he's a pacifist or that serving in the military is a non-Christian act.

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Rev. PACKARD: That is ludicrous. There has to be someplace that says "No" to those things that will do us in. I mean, if the World War II generation didn't rise, and my dad didn't rise with all those others and stand up and be counted, where would we be today?

Rev. PACKARD (at Puerto Rico Service): At the end of the day we have to return home. And how we return home and share in each other's lives is really the measure of our days, as it says in the Psalms.

JONES: The bishop travels the world meeting with chaplains, along with others in the military family. He was recently in Puerto Rico, meeting with soldiers receiving training to fight terrorism.

Rev. PACKARD (to unidentified soldier): How long were you in Afghanistan?

JONES: When talking with the soldiers, he never brings up his past. Yet he senses a special relationship.

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Rev. Packard Rev. PACKARD: Something sort of locks in between the soldier and me because they sense, "This fellow knows where we come from, he must have been there too."

JONES: Packard's philosophy today helps explain why he was able, in his own words, "to become a professional killer."

Rev. PACKARD: Soldiers aren't supposed to be amazingly self-reflective about what they do. They're not supposed to be sort of philosopher kings, sort of drawing their hands across their chin, wondering about whether they should shoot that opposing soldier or not.

I see them as young and I think to myself, there's an awful lot of potential sacrifice here. All the protestations of one administration to another really comes down to a young person standing, facing another young person.

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Vietnam Memorial JONES: When George Packard was ordained a bishop three years ago, one of those he invited to attend the consecration in Washington was that platoon sergeant from Lincoln, Nebraska. They went to the Vietnam Memorial.

Mr. EVASCO: Lieutenant Packard prayed for everyone that was on the wall, and for us. It was very moving -- a very moving moment.

JONES: And it was because one of the names on the wall had been in Packard's platoon.

Rev. PACKARD: Losing Tony Firak was very, very painful.

JONES (to Packard): How many times have you been to the wall?

Rev. PACKARD: (no response).

JONES: It's been more than 30 years and Bishop Packard still can't get it out of his mind.

Rev. PACKARD: I don't think you go through these kinds of powerfully traumatic experiences and then just kind of live carefree and disconnected. When I'm in a room with people in the church, I'll look around and say, "I'm the only person that has ever done this."

JONES: He has a nine-year-old daughter who has asked, "Dad, did you really kill somebody?"

(to Packard): What do you say?

Rev. PACKARD: Well, you say, "Well, Daddy was in the war, and it was a very hard time. And in war people have to fight each other. And you try to avoid war." A soldier goes in, they do what they need to do. They come out and we forget them. And they want to forget certain things they've done.

JONES: Bishop Packard continues to struggle with his past, but says he's not in perpetual atonement.

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Rev. Packard Rev. PACKARD: I don't think it's a question of forgiving myself. It's a question of what work is there to do. I think you go through these days for some reason. And it's what you do with the days afterwards that makes a difference.

JONES: For RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY, I'm Phil Jones.

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