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PERSPECTIVES:
Iraq War and Call for Jihad
March 14, 2003    Episode no. 628
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BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: In Egypt, a group of Islamic scholars at the prestigious Al Azar University this week said jihad -- meaning holy war -- becomes a duty for all Muslims if the U.S. attacks Iraq.

The scholars said such an attack would constitute a new "crusade" not only against Islamic territory but on Islam itself. Therefore, said the scholars, all Muslims are obligated to defend their land and their religion.

We want to explore the significance of that statement with Akbar Ahmed, Chair of Islamic Studies at American University in Washington, where he also teaches international relations. Dr. Ahmed is a former Pakistani ambassador to Great Britain.

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Dr. Akbar Ahmed Dr. Ahmed, welcome. Why is that statement by the Egyptian scholars important?

Dr. AKBAR AHMED: (Ibn Khaldun Chair of Islamic Studies, American University): Very significant for two reasons. Number one, Al Azar is the oldest, possibly the most respected, educational Islamic university in the world. It is very respected in the Sunni world, and the Sunni world is about 80 percent of Islam's total population. Secondly, it also reflects the thinking of the Egyptian government. Egypt is important in the Middle East because it is the country with the largest population. It's so far been spearheading a movement to have nominal relations with Israel. So this movement would suggest that there may be some rethinking in Egypt.

ABERNETHY: Were the scholars leading Muslim opinion, or trying to keep up with it?

Dr. AHMED: That's a good question. I suspect that they are keeping up with it. The mood in the Muslim street is turning ugly. It is turning angry, and this is from Morocco to Indonesia. We are seeing processions going into hundreds of thousands in even those countries that are traditionally very pro-West, very pro-America [those countries] are just backing off from any idea of war with Iraq. You saw in the United Nations the Security Council, Pakistan, which is a strong ally of the United States, has at best promised to abstain, but not to support the United States.

ABERNETHY: When the Egyptian scholars used that word, "jihad," exactly what do they mean?

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Dr. Akbar Ahmed Dr. AHMED: That is a very interesting question because the concept is important in Islam. Islam is an activist religion, it is not a pacifist religion, which means that Islam must respond to the world around it. There are two ways of responding. One, through military, physical action, and the second through spiritual, compassionate action. Now this statement by Al Azar, that's why I find it so interesting and significant, shifts the definition to a much more physical, military interpretation. And this is going to give the green light, if you like, to a lot of Muslims who have been waiting for an authoritative statement on the definition of jihad as applied today.

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ABERNETHY: A green light to what? To terrorism?

Dr. AHMED: Not to terrorism. Remember, the definition that they are pointing out is that it is to defend the territory and Islam itself -- this is highly significant. They are in fact saying that what is happening now is an attack on Islam itself, and it is the duty of every Muslim to defend [against] that threat.

ABERNETHY: How would that show around the world?

Dr. AHMED: It would show, I think, in a much more active defense of Islam throughout the Muslim world.

ABERNETHY: But violence, are you talking about physical violence?

Dr. AHMED: Physically defend, yes, if necessary. If there is violence perpetrated on them, they want to fight back, and the interpretation in terms of spiritual action will then take a back seat.

ABERNETHY: Does the statement from the Egyptian scholars have influence on Muslims within the United States? And if so, what are the implications of that?

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Dr. AHMED: Again, a very interesting question with all sorts of implications. This will have an effect on Muslims throughout the Sunni world, and indeed the Shi'a world because of the significance of Al Azar. Now in the United States, you have a population of six to seven million Muslims, mostly Sunni, and mostly, so far, quite neutral to what is happening in the Middle East except for a political position. Here you have a spiritual, if you like, a declaration, and that will not only give them some direction, it will confuse them, and I believe it becomes a very critical time in understanding relations between the majority community and the minority Muslim community in the United States.

ABERNETHY: Might that statement encourage violence on the part of Muslims in the United States?

Dr. AHMED: It certainly could, and therefore, it becomes important to understand the Muslim community in the United States. That it is a loyal, pro-American, American citizenry, and to alienate them or marginalize them or make them feel that their religion is under attack or under threat, I think would be a great disservice both to America and the Muslim community.

ABERNETHY: Dr. Akbar Ahmed of American University, many thanks.

Dr. AHMED: Thank you, Bob.

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