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INTERVIEW:
David Nyberg
May 16, 2003    Episode no. 637
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Following is R & E's interview about truth, lies, ethics, and the Jayson Blair case at THE NEW YORK TIMES with David Nyberg, author of THE VARNISHED TRUTH: TRUTH TELLING AND DECEIVING IN ORDINARY LIFE (University Of Chicago Press, 1994) and a visiting scholar in philosophy and education at Bowdoin College. He was interviewed by RELIGION & ETHICS NEWSWEEKLY Editor Missy Daniel:

Katherine Anne Porter said about her work, "I shall try to tell the truth, but the result will be fiction." Of course, she wrote a novel. I can imagine that that idea could be applied to journalists as well, in a very different way. Journalists by their sworn allegiance to their vocation try to tell the truth, but that is often a difficult thing to do. Psychologically it's very complex to see something, process it, and then produce your own version of it in print without some kind of intervention. It's a difficult thing to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, because you are an imperfect processor. Your interests are always alive and working.

I guess some journalists are also careerists, and they are also insecure. If a young black kid is growing up in a family that's thriving in white society, that black kid may have trouble understanding whether he's a black kid or a white kid. He may have trouble understanding the cost of following in his father's footsteps, say, or his mother's footsteps -- the cost in terms of the friends he'll be giving up, and the cost in terms of being vigilant every day about how he himself is perceived by other people. To make it easier to build a career, you could choose a career where it's very difficult to pin you down.

The aim or value of telling the truth can get distorted into the aim or value of getting published. I don't know an easy, simple way to describe the ethics of a situation like this one, because I think there really is some kind of pathology involved. I would love to hear this kid's description of his choices -- the choice points along these 50-odd instances [of plagiarism and fraud]. I would like to hear him describe what he was doing. My guess is his description would be smarmy and indistinct, and he himself would be confused. It doesn't sound like he's an evil fellow; it sounds like he's a profoundly insecure fellow, and what he's doing is trying to survive in a world that is basically alien to him on talents that he doesn't trust, so he has to resort to other means. The way he handles information is very common, really, in many levels of private life. It's not so common in the public life of a journalist.

Do you remember Joseph Ellis at Mount Holyoke College? [The Pulitzer Prize-winning history professor entertained his students in the classroom with vivid war stories until it was revealed that he had never been in combat.] He was, pedagogically speaking, extremely successful. Morally speaking, from the point of view of his colleagues, who got very righteous about his taking liberties with the truth in the classroom, he looked very different.

What Ellis did was, morally speaking, trivial. He was bearing witness, by telling a story, to an event in history that was real. He didn't distort the event. All he did was distort his perspective as a witness. He made himself into a participant instead of a witness for the purpose of engaging his students, and that was successfully done. As far as I know, this behavior didn't carry over into any other aspect or realm of his life or personal relationships, and it caused no harm that I could see -- and it was deceptive. It was one of those instances where a choice to tell a story, a narrative, making yourself the protagonist in order to bring history alive 1) was pedagogically successful and 2) became morally suspect. I think the reason it became so morally suspect (I could be wrong about this) was that what he did was so very common among his colleagues, they recognized it as something they themselves perhaps had done in the past or perhaps do to a much milder extent -- embellishing their own participation in world events and relationships with famous people and all that, name-dropping and so forth. They had to have a sort of public cleansing. They had to point and say, "Look what he did. It's wrong. You'd never catch us doing that" in order to deflect attention, maybe, in order to soothe the conscience. What Ellis did was by several degrees more egregious than what ordinary people do, but it wasn't different in kind. He's a very decent fellow and a wonderful writer, and this breach, I thought, was morally trivial and was made far too much of.

The breach of this guy [Jayson Blair] is entirely different because his commitment is to a very different public, and his motives are reputed to be very different. He is to be a witness, not a participant, and if he is falsifying what he pretends to witness, he's committing a fraud, and that is both legally and morally unjustifiable.

In a sense, [Jayson Blair's] supervisors are a much more interesting focus for a story than he is. What's the role of an editor or a managing editor? The easy part is setting up stories and points of interest and taking credit for successful circulation. The hard part is editing, and editing is not just line corrections, but in a newspaper setting it's being something more like a mentor, sometimes a censor, certainly a vetter. And if you don't do it yourself you have to hire somebody to do it. I mean, who doesn't have a fact checker in publishing? Does THE NEW YORK TIMES not need to question the degree to which they can trust the hundreds of people who are working for them all over the world for very different motives? That's a terribly difficult managerial problem, I would think. If you don't have absolute trust, you have to have fact checkers, and fact checkers cost money. For an editor it's easier to pretend that you trust all reporters than actually to do the hard and difficult work of following up on stories. In this case, it was perhaps especially difficult because the editors were dealing with a young, personable black reporter.

The obligation to tell the truth to another person is not equally in force across all relationships. When you're in an involuntary relationship with another person or institution, you don't have the same obligation to be truthful as you do in a voluntary relationship. Think about competitors in business. They are in an involuntary relationship with each other because they are both in the same field of play and yet they are competitors. If your competitor comes to you and says, "Tell me how you make your product, because it's better than mine, and I want to make mine cheaper and better. Tell me the truth about what you are doing," you don't have the same obligation to tell that person the truth about how you make your product as you do in a voluntary relationship where two people, either face to face, looking each other in the eye, or by some kind of contractual relationship, establish an agreement to treat each other honestly and forthrightly. A marriage vow or a deal with your child or a friendship or a course in which the teacher and student make a deal with each other -- those kinds of relationships are voluntary, and the burden to be truthful is to be taken very seriously, and violations really have to be justified.

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What kind of a relationship does a reader have with a newspaper? I think by implication there is a voluntary agreement there, not an involuntary one. People choose to read the newspaper. Newspapers choose to cultivate reputations for honesty in reporting so that they will be chosen among alternative papers, and that kind of relationship carries a heavy obligation of truthfulness, at least on the newspaper's side. Most readers are skeptical about what's in the newspaper. It's a caveat emptor situation in part. In the law there's room for what's called "chaffering and puffery." It has to do with honesty in advertising, and the courts generally say that sellers are allowed to chaffer and puff their products somewhat -- make them appear more than they are, better than they are, more appealing than they should be, even when you are dealing with real estate, because there is a built-in experience in our culture that sellers will try to get more money for their wares than the wares are worth, and buyers will try to pay less, and there is that kind of engagement every time there is a transaction. Within limits, you can distort your interests and your representations.

But that doesn't carry over to journalism. You're not selling a story on the basis of its appeal -- except maybe in the sleazy tabloids where this kind of thing goes on all the time, and we're expected to sue them. This kind of thing going on in THE NEW YORK TIMES, and not for entertainment purposes but for informational purposes, is a very serious breach. I think newspapers have a kind of public trust that is close to what certain branches of government have -- not the same, but close. They are public institutions, even though they are privately held. They serve a public purpose, maybe more or less in the same way that health care facilities do. Even if you have a private hospital, it is serving a public interest and is bound by certain expectations and limitations on the way the hospital handles truth and information about patient care, billings, and all that. That ethic is close in principle to the ethic of journalism and how that gets played out. All the while, we're able to forgive writers and reporters for making mistakes. But making mistakes is different from deliberately deceiving.

I think that the propensity to deceive in various ways is built right into our nature. I'm convinced of that. So is the propensity for truth-telling. However, we have to teach children about truth-telling. We do not have to teach them about deceiving. They learn that all by themselves by the age of, roughly, three. About that time, kids have the capacity to imagine other minds and to imagine the difference between creating an impression and simply sharing some kind of objective truth. Children know how to protect their own interests through deceiving all by themselves. We have to teach them the virtues of truth-telling and help them practice it. It's a very interesting two-sided growth in human beings -- the different ways that we handle information. We know in some instances and to some degree that survival in relationships of all kinds depends on either hiding the truth, remaining silent or directing a person's attention away from something rather than onto something that is really germane. Survival is connected with our various abilities to appear and disappear. But is [lying] worse now? I've been arguing up to this point that what's changed is that we have much, much better and many more investigative reporters now than we've ever had before. What used to go on in the smoke-filled room just among a small group of people in silence and in private now is exposed much more frequently to public scrutiny. What's changed is we have better information about what's always been going on -- that compounded with the fact that we're a much more populous world now than before, and opportunities for dishonesty in business and government and other public institutions are much more numerous. The ratio of honest to dishonest in business now may be exactly the same as it's always been, but the raw numbers are so much greater and the numbers of investigative reporters and their great skill at uncovering deals that are going on are much better and more numerous. It looks as if its getting worse, but it's just getting more numerous.

The one thing I'm beginning to change my mind about -- I see it among students I teach and young people going into various professions, medicine in particular and law -- is that there is a kind of indifference to moral concerns. It's not as if people are turning out to be evil or self-serving in a deliberately self-conscious way; it's more as if they've been raised in a household where the old moral lessons about right and wrong, good and bad, discussions about things that are going on and blaming people for doing bad things just don't occur as much. Maybe people aren't sitting at the dinner table as often, where that kind of talk normally occurs. But I see a lot of young people who are just morally indifferent, and that's the scary part to me. This Blair fellow may be one of those. He may be morally indifferent, and the idea is just to get ahead. If you're a gifted writer and you're black and insecure and your purpose is to get ahead and you don't have the kind of moral refinement that you get at dinner table conversations over many years, you may be able to do things like this without compunction. That could be getting worse.

I've been involved in medical ethics for a lot of years now, and I've suggested that the best way to improve the moral sensitivity of new classes coming into medical school is to have somebody on the admissions committee who is less interested in the marks you got in biochemistry and more interested in why a student didn't take more science courses but took literature or religion or history or philosophy instead, interested in how that person felt about volunteer work and altruism and things like that -- somebody who was an adequate scientist but who had demonstrated in some concrete way an interest in being a different sort of person, a better sort of person, a person more interested in listening than talking, for example, and mix up half the class with that type of person and half the class with super-scientists, instead of trying to get all super-scientists. Of course, that suggestion went nowhere.

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