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INTERVIEW:
Rabbi Joseph Potasnik
September 5, 2003    Episode no. 701
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Read more of Kim Lawton's interview about the aftermath of September 11 with Rabbi Joseph Potasnik of Congregation Mount Sinai in Brooklyn, New York. He also serves as president of the New York Board of Rabbis and as chaplain for the New York City Fire Department:

What we've come to realize since September 11 is that the little things become the big things -- hugging someone, saying something complimentary, expressing personal feelings: "I love you," "I'm sorry." I also find that there's a greater appreciation for the now. For example, in Israel, people who go on a bus recite a prayer, a psalm, and when they exit the bus, they recite a prayer of thanksgiving that they've made it safely to their destination. Some type of tradition has developed here. People who go on a train, who go in a car, cross a bridge are expressing some kind of gratitude that they have arrived safely at home or at a particular place.

For some people it's a complete return to what it was before, and for some, that's very good. Some people need to go back to the way things were. There are people who don't want to live differently, and that, perhaps, is a tribute to their belief in the security that we have from above and below -- that we can live as we did before. But there are others who need some kind of spiritual reassurance, and I think they are the ones who partake of different customs and also appreciate the importance of living each moment as meaningfully as possible.

I don't think we can ever realistically see things [again] as they were. We have to accept that a great catastrophe has occurred in our world. We simply can't write it off or dismiss it as a footnote in history. It's something we live with. We all know families who were affected by the tragedy. How is it possible, really, to simply compartmentalize and to say, "That was then, this is now"? I think we live with it each and every day. The difference is [that] we all walk around with scars or scratches. You can't often heal a scar. But you can cover it. And what we try to do, at least in the spiritual world, is teach people how to cover some of those scars so they can continue to live, and life still has meaning and purpose.

Before the High Holidays begin, we insist that people greet one another and express their feelings for one another. I won't start a service, for example, in the sanctuary until loved ones turn to each other and hug, hold, say something. Then the service can begin. It's not enough to express some kind of love for God. You have to express love to one another.

We have people in the congregation who have lost loved ones. I have a young woman named Haley Lehrfeld who lost her husband, Eric. I married them. They have a child, Laura, who comes to services. She is still a believer, and what she said has sustained her during this entire period is the love of people all around her. Relationships become a source of great strength for people.

We have to realize that we're members of an extended family. There are a lot of names, a lot of faces, a lot of pictures. There are stories behind each of those names, faces, and pictures. I try to get people to be a little more sensitive to the pain of those who are hurting. You can't simply say, "Well, it's not my problem, it's yours." No, it's our problem. We're a community, and the word "community" has the word "unity." We're all supposed to be here for one another.

We walk down to the water [the East River] during Rosh Hashanah to cast away sins. When we walk down to the water, we look across and we see where the towers stood. They're no longer there. Everybody feels it at that particular moment. But that moment for many is a lasting one. I try to get people to transform that negative into a positive by saying that the best thing you can do is ask, "How can I help someone else get on with his or her life?" That would be a healthier expression ... so we try to change the focus a bit from the "me" to the "we."

Sometimes there are those in time of tragedy who ask, "What can I do?" meaning there's nothing I can do, the enormity of the problem is so great, one person cannot make a difference. There are others who ask, "What else can I do?" That's the proper response. We get people to think of how they can be instrumental in helping someone else move on. It becomes a partnership. That's what communities should be all about.

I think [September 11] is always going to be a shock. [The World Trade Center] had become part of the landscape in New York. We are proud; here were the two tallest buildings, and we could see them from Brooklyn Heights. When you would come into New York, you could see them from a distance. It's always going to be a source of pain for many. It's always going to be a point of recognition: that's the way things were, this is the way things are. Beyond the buildings, we'll try to impress upon one another there were people in those buildings. We talk about all the floors, but there were people behind desks, people who were struggling to leave, to survive, to rescue. It's not just about the architecture; it's about the human spirit that was consumed that day.

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From what I've seen, people very much want to live there, near the site. There are many who prefer that area. I think there is a recognition that yes, life was taken there, but life also continues there. There is that kind of interesting spiritual combination. There are young people rollerblading near the site; on the other side of it, there's going to be a memorial there. But that's what life is -- one person is taken, one person is born. We have to live in this world of contradiction.

I am a child of Holocaust survivors. My parents lost seven children during the Holocaust. I've grown up in a home where there was brokenness of the heart. And for me, September 11, I suspect, reawakened that broken spirit, because I felt I had family I had lost in that wreckage. But I also saw a family that refused to succumb to passive resignation, that arose from that despair and dedicated their lives to starting again. I think that's what all of us are trying to do in a very determined fashion. We want to begin life again. We have to begin life again. You look back, but you also have to look ahead.

There's a statement above a museum in Israel that says to remember the past, to live in the present, but also to hope for the future. That's the kind of attitude that all of us have. We'll always look back, we do live in the present, but we have to assure our kids that they can look forward to a future.

The blackout [in August 2003] was, to a small extent, déjà vu. We had people running over the bridge as they had run over the bridge on September 11. We turned a sanctuary, a synagogue, into a comfort station. We were distributing bottles of water; we were making the restrooms available. Phones, of course, were not working. But, above all, we again connected as a community. We didn't ask, "Are you Jewish? Are you not Jewish? What's your denomination?" That's not the issue.

We saw one another as members of that human family -- different faces, different faiths, but we all belonged to one another, and I think that's the kind of spirit that we have to insist upon, especially for young people. Otherwise, there's no hope for tomorrow. The blackout tested us. I think we passed the test very well in being there for each other.

One of the lessons I've learned, in this past year, is the closeness between America and Israel. I went to a particular evening program where we introduced victims of terrorism from Israel to victims in America of September 11. For the first time, they met each other and spoke of their respective tragedies, but also spoke of the need to help the other person. They're going to continue to communicate with each other. The name of the organization that was so responsible for that event was One Family. In Israel, when a terrorist attack occurred some time ago, a religious person who was wearing the tsitsis, the fringes -- he ripped them off and went over to tie the wound of the person using his fringes. His immediate concern was to help the person. Ritual became secondary. How can I make the ritual help the human, the humanistic? I think that's what you're seeing.

During the High Holidays, we sound the shofar. The shofar has broken notes. There are broken hearts out there; there are people asking, "How do I still believe in God in the face of evil?" We get them, as much as we can, to think of all the good. If you can't think of God, think of good; think of all the good people who did so much to save lives that day, who do it every day of the year, and you'll find there are more good [people] than there are evil. I would hope that when we recognize the heroism around us, we see there is a God in the world, a God that is manifest with all that we are and all that we do.

In Jewish tradition, if you look at the Talmud, the book explaining the Bible, there's no page one. It begins on page two. If you look at the Bible itself, the first letter of the Bible is the second letter of the alphabet. We all, I think, have to learn to live sometimes on page two. Page one has already been written for us. Something occurs over which we have no control, and the question becomes, "What are we going to do on page two?" All of the people out there, in some way, are affected by all kinds of crises -- some major, some minor. By feeling the pain that we have and realizing that we have to feel someone else's pain, we can bring a lot of healing to those who are hurting.

There's a statement in the movie SEABISCUIT: "Just because something is broken doesn't mean you should throw it away." There are many people who walk around broken, and we don't throw them away. We still value them as members of our people and of our family.

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