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BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: Now, a Catholic writer and his new book on what he calls the crisis in the U.S. Catholic Church, a crisis that goes well beyond the sex abuse scandal. The book is A PEOPLE ADRIFT, and the author is Peter Steinfels, a lifelong Catholic who says the church he loves, the largest church in the U.S., the church of one American in four, is "on the verge of either an irreversible decline or a thoroughgoing transformation."
We spent a recent Sunday with Steinfels and his wife, Margaret, beginning with their walk to mass at New York's Church of the Ascension.
Steinfels fears that unless American Catholics overcome what he calls a "vacuum of leadership," they will experience "a soft slide" into Catholicism in name only, as has happened in much of Europe.
PETER STEINFELS: The danger is a kind of hollowing out of the faith of Catholics, where it no longer will affect the central decisions that they make.
ABERNETHY: U.S. bishops have often been what he calls "disgracefully slow" to respond to problems. Steinfels charges that the bishops are too timid, too subservient to the Vatican.
Mr. STEINFELS: Again and again, they have tended to look over their shoulder toward Rome and the Vatican rather than look right in front of their faces to what was happening in the Church.
ABERNETHY: Steinfels is a religion columnist for THE NEW YORK TIMES, where he had been the senior religion reporter. Earlier, he was the editor of the liberal, lay Catholic magazine COMMONWEAL, and so, later, was his wife.
Steinfels is also a historian, who says some of the Church's conflicts began with changes in the world around it -- ideas about human sexuality, for instance, and the equality of women.
Other problems, he says, grew from decisions by the Church itself, such as those coming out of the Second Vatican Council in the early '60s.
Mr. STEINFELS: The very fact that the priest is facing the people from the other side of the altar, that the Mass is said in English, that the congregation is participating much more fully, both in responding to the priest and in song.
ABERNETHY: Each change, says Steinfels, helped polarize the Church, liberals against conservatives.
Steinfels says some Vatican teachings have been contradictory, and that has caused problems. For instance, the Church has strongly affirmed the equality of men and women. But it also says only men can be priests, and many women resent that.
Mr. STEINFELS: The truth is that unless women can be put into visible, ritual roles and have a real decision-making role within the Catholic Church, this conflict is just going to be something that really undermines the Church's credibility.
We spent a recent Sunday with Steinfels and his wife, Margaret, beginning with their walk to mass at New York's Church of the Ascension.Steinfels fears that unless American Catholics overcome what he calls a "vacuum of leadership," they will experience "a soft slide" into Catholicism in name only, as has happened in much of Europe.
PETER STEINFELS: The danger is a kind of hollowing out of the faith of Catholics, where it no longer will affect the central decisions that they make.
ABERNETHY: U.S. bishops have often been what he calls "disgracefully slow" to respond to problems. Steinfels charges that the bishops are too timid, too subservient to the Vatican.
Mr. STEINFELS: Again and again, they have tended to look over their shoulder toward Rome and the Vatican rather than look right in front of their faces to what was happening in the Church.
ABERNETHY: Steinfels is a religion columnist for THE NEW YORK TIMES, where he had been the senior religion reporter. Earlier, he was the editor of the liberal, lay Catholic magazine COMMONWEAL, and so, later, was his wife.
Steinfels is also a historian, who says some of the Church's conflicts began with changes in the world around it -- ideas about human sexuality, for instance, and the equality of women.Other problems, he says, grew from decisions by the Church itself, such as those coming out of the Second Vatican Council in the early '60s.
Mr. STEINFELS: The very fact that the priest is facing the people from the other side of the altar, that the Mass is said in English, that the congregation is participating much more fully, both in responding to the priest and in song.
ABERNETHY: Each change, says Steinfels, helped polarize the Church, liberals against conservatives.
Steinfels says some Vatican teachings have been contradictory, and that has caused problems. For instance, the Church has strongly affirmed the equality of men and women. But it also says only men can be priests, and many women resent that.Mr. STEINFELS: The truth is that unless women can be put into visible, ritual roles and have a real decision-making role within the Catholic Church, this conflict is just going to be something that really undermines the Church's credibility.
ABERNETHY: That decline meant that jobs once done by priests were taken over by laymen and, mostly, laywomen. There are now 30,000 Catholic lay ministers, more than the 27,000 active priests in the dioceses. Steinfels says the Church has not yet adjusted to that new lay leadership.
Mr. TIM RUSSERT: Where do you see the Church at the end of the 21st century?
