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PERSPECTIVES:
Future of Democracy in Afghanistan
January 16, 2004    Episode no. 720
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BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: In Afghanistan, new controversy erupted this week over the rights of women and religious dissenters.

After Kabul TV aired old footage of a popular singer performing without a headscarf, Afghan officials reimposed a ban against women singing on state television. The supreme court had protested the broadcast, saying it insulted Islam. Earlier this month, the Grand Council adopted a new constitution proclaiming Afghanistan an Islamic democracy. The constitution guarantees equal rights for women, but also says that no laws can be contrary to Islam.

The Bush administration praised the constitution, but some human rights advocates are concerned about how some of the provisions might be interpreted.

One of those concerned is Michael Young, dean of the George Washington University Law School in Washington and chair of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, which advises the Department of State.

Dean Young, welcome. What's your assessment of the new Afghan constitution?

Photo of MICHAEL YOUNG Dr. MICHAEL YOUNG (Dean, George Washington University Law School): Well, I think the constitution certainly has some good provisions in it. It makes reference to the international human rights documents and the protections those contain. It has some provisions respecting equality between men and women and those are all very good, I think. The concern is, though, with respect to the freedom of religion provisions -- that they appear to provide protection to religion as a group to engage in their ceremonies and their rituals, but no protection to the individual within the religion. So, for example, if you disagreed with somebody's interpretation, you could be charged with blasphemy, and the penalty for that is often death in those societies. In addition, if you thought about the religion, had a dialogue -- people unwilling to change the religion in a way that you thought appropriate -- you can't convert to another religion. There are anticonversion laws. Those make it very difficult to have internally a dialogue about where the society ought to be going, because if any political view is viewed as heresy and blasphemy, you can't talk about it.

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ABERNETHY: But the Afghan constitution recognizes the document on international human rights, and doesn't that protect individual religious freedom?

Dr. YOUNG: Well, there are two problems with that. It certainly provides some protection and is a useful reference. But, number one, you may have the justices interpreting that -- interpreting that against the backdrop of Sharia law, which the constitution also permits. And number two, if you have a specific provision on freedom of religion, that may be viewed as overriding the other provisions in human rights documents, and there is a specific provision on religion in the constitution.

ABERNETHY: So why did we permit the constitution? Was it in our power to make the constitution something else?

Photo of MICHAEL YOUNG Dr. YOUNG: Well, I think it certainly would have been if we had particularly pressed this point. The average Afghan would like to be able to live their life without fear of being stoned to death if they disagree. They would like to be able to choose their own occupation, teach their children what they believe. They say that in all of the focus groups that have been done and so forth. They want the same things. If we could have generated a dynamic that would have permitted a discussion of these issues -- I think we could have and I don't know why we didn't. It seems to me a serious oversight.

ABERNETHY: And now, we look to Iraq -- there's a lot of debate now about how to choose the new government. But at some point there's going to have to be a constitution there. Quickly, what are the prospects for human rights in Iraq?

Dr. YOUNG: Well, they may be slightly better. I mean, this is a society that is somewhat more westernized -- a society with a somewhat higher level of economic development. But already you are hearing some of the religious clerics begin to call for constitutions that look very much like Afghanistan['s], and that could become problematic, if we don't take steps to resist that and create another kind of dialogue within the country.

ABERNETHY: Dean Michael Young, of the George Washington University Law School, many thanks.

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